Ep 45 Ft Reno & Labadie Mansion

Jess and Tiff discuss their upcoming plans and make a correction from a previous episode. They also talk about their parents' experiences with a nuclear bomb drill in school. They then discuss the addition of new dates for a Tulsa Spirit Tour and talk about their plans to visit. They then dive into the history of Fort Reno, a U.S. military base in Oklahoma, and its role in protecting Native Americans and settling disputes. They mention the presence of cavalry, infantry, and Indian scouts at the fort, as well as its involvement in various conflicts and land runs. They also mention the beef issues and the hunting of longhorn cattle. Hi, I'm Jess, and I'm Tiff, and we're your Curious Cousins, where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma. Welcome to episode 45. Welcome. How are you? I am good. How are you? I'm good. I feel like the turtle tank is exceptionally loud today. I think too. I don't know why though. Me neither. So, I apologize again for ambient noise in the background. Not too much longer though. Nope. One more month, I guess. Can't probably go before school starts. Well, any business? No, I don't think so. I do have a couple of, well, I have a correction. Oh, okay. And then just a couple of statements, I guess, maybe. Oh, okay. Okay, so this is from our last episode, and it's a correction on myself, obviously. It's when I was talking about the minor wages, how they were like $2.50 or whatever back in 1800s. And I said that in today's value, it was like $9.51. Apparently, I can't read. It's $90.51, not nine. So, I don't know. Anyway, so $90.51 is the correction. Is what they would have made a day? Yes, in today's money. Okay. More than a substitute teacher makes in a day. Yeah, well, they can at least go buy lunch at McDonald's. That's exactly right. The other thing was I actually asked my parents about their cold water experience in school. Oh, cool. Yeah. And my parents are the same age. They're like six months apart, and my mom couldn't remember anything. She was like, I don't know. That was so long ago. But my dad remembered that in elementary school, he said that he went to elementary school in Tulsa, and he said that, well, I asked, like, did you guys do anything? Like, what was different? And he said that it was basically like a tornado drill. Like, do you remember back in the day when the tornado drill would go off, and you would have to get out of your seat and go into the hallway and, like, crouch down on the floor and put your hands kind of behind your head to protect your head? That's what they did for the nuclear bomb drill. And he said he thinks that the sirens were the same. He couldn't remember if there was any difference between the tornado siren or the nuclear shelter one. But he said they did do the same thing for both. But that's all that he really remembers. And he said he remembers doing it in elementary school, but he doesn't really remember doing it in middle school. And he said he definitely didn't do it in high school. Yeah, interesting. Well, cool. Glad you asked them. That was just my little bit of info. There you go. There you go. Very cool. No, I don't think I have anything to chat about. Okay. Okay, I said that weird. I don't know why. That was all I had. Sweet. Well, this is a paranormal episode. It is. And so we're going to be talking about some spooky spooks. We are. And it looks like that the Tulsa Spirit Tours added some more dates to their Broken Arrow tour. Yeah, it looks like they added about three dates in September, which my birthday is in September. I was going to say, that's just his birthday month. I think that's a great idea. So I think it was something like, now I'm just shooting this off the top of my head, but it was kind of like beginning of September, mid-September, and then late September. Right. So we'll definitely only pick a date to go. We might have to do the late September, because I think the middle one is September 15th, and that's actually my brother's birthday. Oh, okay. And I don't know. I have a wedding the 21st or something. Yeah, I think the later one is the 30th. Oh, okay. And I think the earliest one's on the 7th or something like that. Cool, yeah, we should totally do it, and we'll tell the listeners. So maybe you all could join us. Maybe we have some Broken Arrow people that might want to come with us. Or if you want to travel, Broken Arrow is a good place to stay, I suppose. You want to go first? Sure, I'll go first. This week I am covering Fort Reno. And so I really dove deep into Tanya McCoy and Whitney Wilson's book entitled Haunted El Reno. I know that Tanya does a lot of collaboration books with Jeff Provine. Yeah. And so I really am a fan of her work as well. So we have several of her works along with Jeff's. And I think Whitney's on a lot of them. But yeah, so Haunted El Reno by Tanya McCoy and Whitney Wilson. Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine. FortReno.org. Ghosts and Legends of Oklahoma by Mike Ricksecker. So Fort Reno is located in present-day El Reno, Oklahoma, which is in Canadian County. It was built in 1874 and used as a U.S. military base until 1949. It is 9.9 acres and was added to the National Registry of Historic Places on June 22, 1970. And it was originally a U.S. Army cavalry post named for General Jesse El Reno, who died at the Battle of South Mountain during the Civil War. Oh, interesting. So we're going to go into a lot of its back history to kind of tell us why it's very haunted today. It's got lots and lots of history and lots and lots of energies put into it. Oh, yeah. Well, with it being a fort. Oh, absolutely, yeah. So originally it was just a temporary camp in 1874, which was located near the Darlington Agency. Yes. That one that housed the Masonic orphans and elderly later on, it's the same place. Oh, fun fact. Jess and I's cousin Miranda got married at the Darlington Agency. It's now the Darlington Chapel. I believe that's what she called it. So we've actually been there. And we didn't know it. And we didn't know it. It was ten years ago. So the Darlington Agency was a Native American place where natives could have contact with the U.S. government. There was a post office, a school, a newspaper, protection during conflicts, that kind of stuff. It also provided food rations. It was meant to help educate and Christianize natives and lead them into farming and ranching lifestyles. Okay. But during this time period, two of the Native tribes, they were requesting protection because there was an uprising of other tribes that it eventually led to the Red River War, which was between a few of the Native tribes in the area. The fort ended up remaining after the conflict ended to help protect the southern Cheyenne and southern Arapaho reservations. And so present day, El Reno, I believe, is the head of the Cheyenne-Arapaho tribe because I believe they've merged into one tribe. I didn't realize that. Yeah. The cavalry and infantry was stationed there. And they played an important role in the transition of Indian territory to statehood. And really, they were there to, it sounds like, now, of course, I don't know, I mean, from what it sounds like, they were more or less there to protect the Native people from incoming white settlers. Ah, okay. So soldiers from the fort were sent to try to control the boomer and sooner activity during the land runs. They also helped them, they would relocate and remove boomers from the unassigned lands of Indian territory. They were doing that 10 years prior to the land run in 1889. Just these people are just thinking they were entitled to just walk into this land and own whatever, and that's not how it was. Right. They did assist in the 1892 and 1894 land runs of that area, or, yeah, of that area. Yeah, because we've had, like, what, three or something like that, three land runs? Oh, I think we've had more than that, haven't we? Yeah. Three major ones, I think. Yeah. In 1892, troops from the fort were sent to help calm political disputes among the five civilized tribes they had met together as a tribe. And I guess it was getting kind of heated, so they sent in some troops, some U.S. troops to kind of settle them down a little bit. In 1898, these same troops from Fort Reno were sent to Cuba during the Spanish-American War. In 1900, they were sent to Henrietta to quell the Creek Rebellion. In 1906, the black 25th Infantry was sent from Fort Brown in Texas to Fort Reno. And this was because, at that time, there was a lot of, how to say this kindly, unruliness. There was unhappiness between farmers and ranchers and cowboys with the infantrymen that were located at that fort. And this is post-Civil War, so these soldiers had every right to be there, and some people just weren't happy about that. I don't know why, but that makes me think. Okay, so I was a diehard Oklahoma musical fan. I grew up watching that tape. Rogers and Hammerstein? Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, I had it, too. And it makes me think of that, oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends. Right. Right. Sorry. I love it. Now I'm going to sing it the rest of the day. So in 1906, they were sent from Fort Brown in Texas to Fort Reno. This happened to be the 9th and 10th Calvary Buffalo Soldiers. They were stationed there at one time in addition to the 24th and 25th Infantry. There was also a group of Cheyenne-Arapaho Indian scouts that were located there and U.S. Marshals. They had an office there. All of these were there, were mainly there to kind of keep the peace in this area. That's interesting. The Calvary and the Cheyenne police had to manage the, quote, beef issues. I'm sorry. Did you say Cheyenne police? Yes. From the Cheyenne tribe, yes. Okay. The, quote, beef issues. I just totally smacked this thing. Say that one more time. They were there to manage the, quote, beef issues, which gave tribes long or like live longhorn cattle to chase and shoot and hunt like buffalo. Okay. Because white people, again, we hunted them to near extinction. Right. This was, of course, these Plains Indians' livelihood. One of the solutions was to have them hunt longhorn cattle. Interesting. Right. Longhorns had been herded up the Chisholm Trail, part of the 1867 Texas Abilene Trail. They would just let some of them roam free. Sounds like a great hunt. In my mind, I mean, I don't know how much cows have evolved, but I see the longhorn cattle that are present. How boring would that be? They would just sit there. I don't think they would run from you. They would just sit there. Yeah. Even if they were, like, let out to be wild, I think they would just sit there. Right. The fort did lead to the cities of El Reno and Reno City being formed. Reno City was abandoned before statehood. The same general that Fort Reno and El Reno were named after, Reno, Nevada, was also named after him. Excuse me. The fort was abandoned on February 24th, 1908, but remained a quartermaster remount depot. This lasted until 1948. What does that mean exactly? Do you know? I'm glad you asked. The fort specialized in specific horse breeding and training of pack mules. For a time, that was the way that soldiers traveled. They would have to run cross-country on these horses, and they could go there and get new ones. Also, this was a special part of the army because they trained these horses and these pack mules that were used specifically for wartime purposes. For example, they were used during World War I and II. They raised horses and mules for all branches of the military. During that time, generals still rode on mounted horses. We still had a cavalry at that time. These animals were sent from El Reno to the South Pacific, Italy, Greece, China, Burma, and India, and other places around the world. It was decommissioned in 1948, although animals would continue to be shipped out until 1952. Interesting. I didn't know that. No, I didn't either. That was really cool information to learn. During World War II, and in one source it said even World War I, German and Italian prisoners of war were housed there. In fact, the chapel on the fort was built by the German Afrika Korps, or the – I'm going to try not to butcher this – Deutsches Afrika Korps, a holding force to shore up Italian defense of African colonies. That's where those Germans and Italians came from. When that area was taken over by American troops, they obviously had these prisoners of war, and they sent them over to the United States, this specific, the Afrika Korps. These ones were definitely from World War II, but they were sent specifically here. At one time, we had close to 1,300 Germans and just a few Italians. Oh, wow. They were actually treated rather well at Fort Reno when you compare it to other POW camps, especially ones that Germans were running, but even the other ones around the U.S., but I mentioned that. German POWs were given far better treatment and luxuries at Fort Reno than American POWs were given in Germany. Most of them, while they were being housed at Fort Reno, they would be hired laborers for local farmers. The farmers would, quote, buy a day's work for $1.50. The government would in turn pay the prisoners $0.10 an hour, and they could use that money to purchase things from the canteen that was on the fort, so the prisoners were allowed to visit that. The German POWs could purchase up to two beers a day. I mean, I guess in my mind, they're German, so they're probably used to drinking. That's probably water. Right. Exactly. I don't know. They probably like, only two. I'm just kidding. I don't actually know. I don't either. But I feel like for them, they were probably like, only two. They were also allowed to purchase cigarettes and other goods. The POWs could pack a sack lunch to take with them when they went to work on the farms that they were given as their prisoners, but most of the time, the farmers would provide snacks and meals to them. Okay. Many POWs actually stayed in touch with the American farmers after they returned to Germany following the war. A lot of them said that they were very kind. The farmers were very kind to them and didn't treat them like second-rate citizens. Right. I believe the Germans tended to be very hard workers. Seventy of the POWs are buried at Fort Reno. Most of them, although only most of them, in fact, I would say 69 of them actually died at other Oklahoma and Texas POW camps. Then they were just sent to El Reno? Yeah, to El Reno. Do you know the reason for that? Well, it says that only one Fort Reno POW died while in prison, and it was because he got sick. So out of the 70, 62 are German and eight are Italian. It kind of sounded like Fort Reno, if you had to get sent to a POW camp, you wanted to go to Fort Reno. It sounded like the other ones may have been a little bit harsher, may have had a little bit more harsh conditions, where Fort Reno kind of ... I'm sure it was still harsh at times. I mean, it is a POW camp. Right. But it kind of sounded like it was a little bit more, not lax, but they had more ability for luxuries and things of that nature. Many Germans and Italians have visited their relative's final resting place over the years there in Fort Reno. In November, for German-American Heritage Memorial Day, there's a wreath-laying ceremony that takes place every year at the cemetery there at Fort Reno. Interesting. This is a kooky fact. The most famous buried person at Fort Reno is German Johannes Kuntz from the Tonkawa camp. There was a Tonkawa POW camp in Oklahoma. He was beaten to death by other POWs who accused him of being a traitor. There's actually a novel called The Extreme Justice by Vince Green. It's actually based on that story. That was one of the POWs that didn't die because of conditions, died because the other Germans believed he was a traitor. I don't know. Maybe it comes out in the book if he was or if he wasn't or what. Interesting. The fort was again abandoned in 1949. Ownership transferred to the U.S. Department of Agriculture for a grazing land research project or lab. My notes might have gotten out of order, but maybe not. Actually, I need to go back. I told you that there is a cemetery on the fort. I told you that there were Germans and Italian POWs there. There's also residents of the fort. There are different pioneer settlers over time, military persons. There's actually 56 children buried there as well. What? Right. Because, I mean, forts are working places where families are too. Yeah, that's true. You think about the years that it was very active. Sorry, I have to readjust. No, you're fine. You have to think of the years that it was active that children mortality rate was a lot higher than it is today. Yeah, I didn't think about that. The most noted military man buried at Fort Reno is Ben Clark. Clark served the U.S. Army for many years. His service started at the age of 13. Was he like a drummer boy? He was a post courier in Fort Bridger, Wyoming. He served in the 6th Kansas Cavalry during the Civil War. In 1868, he became a scout for the U.S. Army and served as chief of the scouts under General Philip Sheridan and Lieutenant Colonel George Custer. Clark was said to have defied Custer twice, saying the soldiers and Osage scouts were shooting women and children. He pressed for an exit plan from these conflicts, but we all know how George Custer was. But he, Clark, did not approve of the shooting of these women and children. Clark was married three times, each of his wives dying before. My promise, this pertains to Fort Reno. Oh, I believe you. I have it in plain. He fathered a total of 14 children. Holy cow. Well, he's a dad. It's easy for men to father. Well, I know, but good grief. So, wife number one, Emily, she birthed Jenny. Wife number two, Red Fern, she birthed Emily. They named their daughter Emily. Wife number three, Mocha, birthed 12 more, five dying before 1900. So, after the Civil War, he married his first wife, Emily, who died in January of 1873. Red Fern died in 1880, and then very shortly after that year, Clark marries Mocha. For the last two native descents? Yes, and I think Emily was of native descent as well. So, on May 6, 1913, Mocha passed away, and so she lived the longest. And it didn't tell me how old she was when she passed away, but after many military years of service, the death of two wives and then Mocha, he's lost several children at this point, and he was starting to suffer from paralysis. Clark ended his own life in his quarters in 1914. Oh, man. He had over 45 years of military service, and his home, in which he unalived himself, still stands today on the fort. However, visitors are not allowed to visit. Oh, my goodness. What do they do with it? It's just there. You can look at pictures, and it's boarded up, and it's there. Oh. So, here are some kooky facts before I get into the spooky facts. Okay. Amelia Earhart flew her autogyro, the precursor to the helicopter, at Fort Reno. Oh. Will Rogers visited frequently to watch polo and horse races. Black Jack, the spirited riderless ceremonial horse, was raised and trained here. Now, who was that horse? Let me tell you. He was the horse used in funeral processions of President Hoover, President Kennedy, and President Johnson, and General MacArthur. So, you know, they always have that riderless horse. That's him. That's Black Jack. Oh. He is also known to have helped bury more than 1,000 Korean and Vietnam soldiers killed in action. Artist Frederick Remington, he spent three months here at Fort Reno producing many drawings of Calvary and Buffalo soldiers, Cheyenne and Arapaho natives, and scouts. And in 1997, the fort auctioned off scrap metal to help raise the funds to create a visitor's center and museum there at the fort. It is open Tuesday through Saturday from 10 to 4. There is a small admission fee, but the most expensive I saw was $5. But here's the cool thing, and this is what I want to do. Okay. Where do you think we need to go? You can go on their website and schedule a ghost tour. And I think it was $29. Uh, yeah. Yes. Okay. Miranda, come with us. Miranda, yes, come with us. All right, so let's talk about the spooky. All right, hit me. Many, many, many EBPs can be heard of ghosts speaking German, which is killing. Yeah. I'm like, can you hear a ghost talking? But I am not German, so I would not be able to understand what they are saying, so that would scare me more. Yeah, I think not knowing, like, speaking in different language that you're not used to, yeah, I can see how that would be. Right. Especially when you're, like, you know, you're here in Oklahoma, and there's another, whether, as opposed to, like, if you were in Germany, hearing that German ghost. Right. Right. If that made any sense at all. Sorry for my rambling. No, no, no, no. It's cool. Yeah, I'm with you. Creepy. Director Wendy Ogden, it's Ogden or Ogden, I apologize for mispronouncing that, shares that while driving herself and her son home one evening, she's the director, she's currently still the director, her son cried out because he, quote, saw a man standing in the middle of the road. What? Wendy never saw him, nor did she see anything when she looked back. Like, I think she, like, slammed on her brakes and, like, looked around because she almost thought that she almost hit him. Oh, my gosh. Her son reported that the man was, quote, standing at rest, just as the historical interpreters did in the 19th century uniforms, during the reenactments that they had on the base. So I think her son just thought it was one of those guys. Oh, my gosh. Wendy states that the spot that they were driving, that they were driving at, was the spot where the original fort gate stood. So someone is still on guard. Oh, yeah, like, there would be, like, a sentinel or. Yes, yes, someone is still on guard there. Oh. The visitor's center and museum is the old officer's quarters. In two sources, I had different versions of who this spirit could possibly be. It's either a lieutenant colonel or major conat, conat, conat, I couldn't, I didn't, that was the two different pronunciations I could find, who committed suicide there after his wife left him in the 1930s. He unalived himself by shooting himself in the head in the upstairs bathroom. There is a report of a bullet hole repair that had to be made to the ceiling. Oh, my goodness. Guests feel like they are being watched while in empty rooms, shivering from cold spots. They've had their hair pulled, and when they looked to see who was behind them, no one was there. Footsteps of heavy boots are heard upstairs while people are downstairs, even though no one is upstairs. Faucets, lights, and TVs switch on and off. He's even been known to tap people on the shoulder or knock pictures off the wall. Rude. Right. At the U.S. Calvary Association's Calvary Museum, which is on the site, it was built to house officers and their families from 1876 to 1894. The spirit of a little boy is often seen peeking around corners. I'm out. Bye. A woman walks down the upstairs hallway. Oh, sorry. Erase that part. There's also the report of a woman walking down the upstairs hallway and disappearing through the wall. Lights come on and off in the rooms at night, even when there was no electricity to the building. Oh, my gosh. Again, Director Wendy Ogden, she said that on her first day, the fire alarms kept going off, not like the chirping sound that the battery is dying, but like the long, blaring siren that there's a fire. Yeah, like, get out of Dodge. There's a fire. Right, exactly. After speaking with her boss, she was told that the alarms don't have batteries. They're hardwired into the house. Oh, gross. Two other workers have had this happen to them on their first days of work there, too. Now they're just playing with them. Right. No, I know. Or maybe it's like, welcome to your new place of work of horror. Oh, my gosh. You're going to really hate this one, then. A young child is present. This child is known to knock pencils off desks. Oh, I just got chills thinking about this. Okay, if you're cringing, that means it's bad. Items at waist level, like for an adult, are moved around, like a flask has flown off of a shelf. Okay, first off, why is there a flask in a workplace? It's probably, like, on display. Because if you work here, you might need a drink every once in a while. Children, laughter can be heard. This actually happens during a small family tour. The tour guide heard it and thought he was going crazy. He just kept hearing it until one of the parents asked, do you hear the kids laughing? Oh, that gave me chills. Children's spirits are thought to be that of Louis Tross, who passed away in 1900 of unknown causes, and Maria Wheeler, who passed in a fire just north of the museum. They're actually buried next to each other in the cemetery. So they've become friends in the afterlife, I suppose. Little tears. Another visitor one day came running down the stairs when she claimed to have heard someone choking. And she thought it was the director, Wendy. And so she ran downstairs, and the visitor asked Wendy if she was okay, but there was nobody there. Wendy was downstairs. So she ran downstairs and was like, oh, my God, I thought I heard you choking, but when I turned around, you weren't there. And she was like, I've been here the whole time, and I have not been choking. No, me no likey. Psychics and mediums have visited and all claim there is something in the museum that makes the spirits unhappy. It's actually thought to be a specific saddle, because I guess there's a big, I mean, it's a Calvary museum. Did you say saddle, like a horse saddle? Yes, yes. So when Wendy and the visitor, the visiting medium or psychic or whoever, they located this saddle that they believe is the one that's supposed to make spirits unhappy, it's straps started to just swing on its own. This saddle actually isn't a Calvary saddle. It's one that belonged to an officer's daughter who used it when she traveled with the circus. So it's not a Calvary. So why does it make, is it because it's in the museum and it's not like an actual... Yeah, and I think somebody in the museum was like, this isn't supposed to be here. This is not, this is a Calvary museum. That's not a Calvary saddle. But here's the thing. The saddle's still on display today. They didn't move it. So they're just aggravating... Yeah, yeah, sure. ...the spirits. Okay. That sounds like a great idea. Hey, Wendy, let's move it now. Oh. Knocked it again with my face. EVPs of chatter can be heard. They've conducted lots of knock tests and have been in contact with spirits. Another building that is on Fort Reno is this Victorian mansion. It's the former home of an Army wife who struggled with the simplicities of life on the frontier. She came from the East Coast. She came from quite a bit of money. She was used to a certain lifestyle. Yes, absolutely. And when her husband could not provide that for her, well, Daddy did. Her father built the luxurious home and filled it with all East Coast finery, had it all shipped to Oklahoma. Oh, jeez. The woman who it was built for loved it so much, she remains there. She is seen in a long white dress because apparently that's the only colour dress they had back in the day. Or at least that's the only colour dress you can wear when you die. Is this something, like, you can go tour? Or is it just on the... It is on the property. I do not think you used to be able to tour it. I don't think you can go in there anymore. Okay. The woman is seen in a long white dress. Yep, even an old fort has a lady in white. I mean, it wouldn't be a ghost story if there wasn't a lady in white. Right, right. She is seen looking out windows. She can be seen walking from room to room. In fact, they believe that she was actually caught on photo when some visitors were standing on the porch and got a picture and she was caught in it. Oh, gross. The house is not open to tours, but you are able to walk up onto it and look into the windows. Kind of like the Gilcrease House. Yes, exactly what I was thinking when I thought about that. It's considered to be one of the most haunted buildings at Fort Reno. They used to give ghost tours, but now, alas, they do not. Oh, let's see. If anybody knows Wendy Ogden, could she maybe get us in there? Sorry, it looks like he tripped. He probably did. The spirit of a little girl has also been witnessed here. She doesn't show herself to just anyone. In fact, she is known to only show herself to other children. Live children have been seen waving at something in the second floor window. And then when asked by their parents, they'll say they're waving at a little girl. So their parents report this to the museum directors, and they'll be like, oh, there's nobody inside the house. They're like, oh, my kid saw somebody. But she's also been seen playing in the yard and on the porch. This is the house that the— The Victorian House, yeah. Another presence is that of a male. People get the feeling a man is standing behind them or near them. He has never been seen, though. And in the basement— Oh, gross. That is where they mostly see or feel him. He has a strong cigarette smoke smell. Nope. I'm out. Not doing that. So, okay, listen to this story. One windy night, a door wasn't secured properly on the Victorian House, and it was banging loudly in the wind. So Ron Cross, he's one of the Fort Reno employees, he went to shut the door. He grabbed his umbrella because it had been raining. When he got to the tree between the house and another building, he felt something tug at his umbrella. He assumed it had snagged on a limb, but noticed the limbs were high above him and his umbrella, so they couldn't get a hold of it. The tugging continued, but then he realized it couldn't be the wind either. It was blowing in the direction opposite of the tugs. Keeping on toward the house, he noticed three skunks in his path. Skunks? Had he not stopped due to the tugging, he would have walked straight into their path and been sprayed by skunks. I appreciate that spirit. I guess that's nice of them. Right, right. Like I said before, the chapel was built by German and Italian POWs. Inside of it, footsteps are often heard. The authors of Haunted El Reno actually experienced this when they were cleaning up from a weekend event they held there. They were downstairs in the basement cleaning up. It was only one of them. I think it was just Tanya. She heard footsteps upstairs, so she went up there to see who else was there, but there was no one there. The only way to exit the building was down the staircase that she had come up. The staircase is really narrow, so they couldn't have passed her. She was looking under the pews, behind everything. No one was there. There is no way you would ever put me in a haunted place and have me walk around by myself. At night too. No, thank you. She said the whole time she did not feel like she was alone, that something was there with her. The commissary and armory building, we've got a few more buildings on the fort to cover. There's a commissary and armory building. There's one of those sad replayings of a young man in old-style dress approaching visitors with a mournful look on his face. He actually will speak to them saying, Is this a joke? Then he disappears. Oh. Can you imagine if someone walked up to you and was like, Is this a joke? And then he disappears. They're like, No, this is a joke. They're like, Where's the projector? It is believed to be that of William Stockwell, who in 1885 was told to take some quinine. It used to be used to kill malaria or other sicknesses. He was directed to this shelf that had these bottles on it, and he was told, Oh, it's right there. Well, he picked the wrong bottle. He took stryctonine, which is a rat poison. And, obviously, he died. And they believe it's him saying, Is this a joke? Like, Oh, you took rat poisoning. Is this a joke? No, bro, you're going to die in about an hour. Right. That's painful. Unfortunately, this building is currently not open to the public. I think they are currently trying to raise funds to redo it. Renovate it maybe? Yeah, I think several of the buildings, that is what they're ultimately trying to do. They're slowly raising money to renovate some of them so that they can be back open to the public. Whoa, this building is that old. Right, right. I'm sure there's a lot. And you've got to think, too, with the rate that El Reno goes through tornadoes, they probably have had storm damage, and they just need to make sure that these buildings are secure. Yep. The last place you can visit on Port Reno that I'm going to cover. Wait, can I guess? Yes. Is it the infirmary? No. Oh. They didn't say anything about the infirmary. It must be in one. I don't know if they had one. I mean, I assume they had one, but they didn't say anything about it. That was my only guess. It's the cemetery. Well, I should have known when you mentioned it earlier. Another woman in white is seen walking between the cedar trees. Numerous EVPs have been recorded here. One of them that they hear over and over, I know, I know, I was run over. I know, I know, I was run over. Oh. It is believed to be Tim O'Connell who was killed in 1899. It was an accident when his mule bucked him and threw him under an oncoming wagon. Oh, gosh. German voices are often heard. Hans Siefert is one German. He was supposed to be released, but the day before his release, he accidentally set himself on fire when he was lighting a gas stove. Oh. And I don't know if he, like, burned to death or if he got, like, burns that were bad enough that he just succumbed to his injuries. Succumbed to his injuries. But to think the day before you were released, you're just lighting the stove. Oh, gosh. Set yourself on fire. So one more kooky thing that happened, and then we'll wrap up our Fort Reno. But there was a funeral procession of a minister. Uh-huh. And the horse-drawn carriage was struck twice by lightning. Oh. Killing two of the four horses. Twice by lightning. The likelihood of being struck by lightning one time is very slim. Right. During the same time, I don't even know what the odds are. I think you're more likely to win the lottery. Oh. Anyways, the people at the funeral quickly decided to bury that minister and move on with the rest of their life because they did not think that that was a good sign to be struck by lightning twice. You know, that kind of brings a whole new meaning to, like, being smite. Smote? Smote? What is that? So that is Fort Reno. I cannot wait to visit there. I grew up in Canadian County, and I have never been there, and I want to go. I mean, I know I've been to El Reno a couple of times. One summer I worked in El Reno. But I don't think I've ever been to the Fort. I never have. I want to go so bad. All right. Well, let's hit up Miranda, and we should definitely do something. Yes, we're going to do it. Yes, we're going to do it. Sounds good to me. I'm going to readjust this because I keep hitting. Oh, okay. And then I'll get into mine. I'm going to wave around. That will be better. Okay. All right. I'm ready for you to tell me a ghost story. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right.