ep 12 Tara

The speaker discusses their recent trip to Hawaii and getting back into their routine as full-time parents. They talk about their experience with multiple airplane changes and the length of their flights. They also mention the topic of ectopic pregnancy, highlighting that it is more common than people may think and can be fatal. They discuss the importance of education and removing the stigma surrounding pregnancy loss. The speaker then interviews someone about their personal experience with ectopic pregnancy, discussing topics such as pregnancy symptoms, medical tests, and emotional reactions. They emphasize the importance of allowing oneself to feel and process emotions during such experiences. And then we can do Skype starting now, and then it's blurry, and then it's back. Okay, awesome. Picture is clearer. Oh, also, I figured out my microphone was doing noise canceling. Yeah, I found that in the little minor details of the settings. Hopefully, because I still see like the awkward laughing moments where it's silent, and I'm actually cracking up, but you can't see that. Stupid. All right. Okay, you ready? Ready, set, go. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Loud Moms Lair. I'm Tara. Double it up. It should be next episode. Should. Yeah, doing okay. Kind of getting back into our routine. You know, we were in Hawaii for a week, and I'm back to hell. No, I'm just kidding. No, we're just trying to settle back into our routine. You know, trying to, or I guess being full-time parents again. But yeah, honestly, it's just kind of hitting the ground running, and it's a short week this week because of Memorial Day. It was Monday, so we're already ready for the weekend. But how are you doing? Oh. Our plane, so when we were flying out, so we drove to Dallas, which is about three-hour drive, so we could get a direct flight to Maui. We got to Dallas. We had three airplane changes. And literally, it was so funny. We looked like cattle going from one gate, because as the plane changed, the gate changed, right? You're like, oh, maintenance is on this plane, so you got to go to the next one. You just see a hundred people get out of their seats and run over to the next gate. And then that happened three times, and everyone's just like, it was comical by the time we actually got on the plane. So going there, it was eight hours, and then coming home, it was like six and a half, because, you know, wind is a thing. But, yeah, it wasn't too bad. Did you have layover? Oh, good. Mm-hmm. Oh, yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that is exactly how I am. Well, I'm happy to be back, and I know you are, too. So first, we're going to kick this episode off and do our normal cheers, but cheers to being back from our trips and kind of diving back into reality, which is sometimes helpful. So cheers. All right, so like Kristen said, this week, we're going to be diving into kind of – actually, you didn't say that, so we're going to scratch that. Okay, well, everyone, this week, so we're going to dive into – we're going to change pace a little bit. So we talk a lot about kids and everything, which we still will a little bit, but this episode, we're going to dive into a little heavier of a topic. So before we start discussing everything, we just want to really highlight, because this is a public platform, we want to highlight that – a little disclaimer that we are not medical professionals in any sense. We do not have that background. We do not have those licenses or certifications, and we are just moms sharing our experiences and what we learned throughout our experiences. And then we also did a little bit of research on specifically the Stanford medical website and just pulled some statistics from that. So please just take everything we say with a grain of salt. If you find yourself in any situation that we discuss, please talk about it with a professional, with a healthcare provider that you go to for any further information or advice or any assessment. So this is not advice specifically for medicine and medical purposes. Okay, disclaimer done. Ectopic pregnancy. See, it's that uncommon. Okay. Yeah, we really wanted to highlight the fact that it's more common than people may know and kind of offer a little bit of education, not from a medical background, but just offer like a little bit of education that we learned throughout our process and experience because we didn't even know what to expect or what even existed out there before we went through it. And I know a lot of women and men do not know some of these things even exist. Specifically, like my experience with the ectopic pregnancy, I had no idea what that was. I've never even heard about that before. And then I learned that it's quite rare, but it does happen and it could be fatal. And it's like a lot of these could be very extreme circumstances. And so we just want to shed some light on this topic and maybe help remove the stigma about women and men wanting to stay quiet about this topic. So. No. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and we want to cover all types of pregnancy loss. So even outside of, you know, the ectopic and miscarriages, like we are going to – we'll dive into that in a little bit on what exists and understand this was pulled from a website and there's millions of websites out there and research. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, so anyway, I kind of wanted to break the ice and, you know, ask Kristen if she's okay with sharing like why now? Why do you want to share your story with everyone now? Because I remember like first breaking the ice when I – after I went through the ectopic and like select few people knew, but when I actually went public with it was actually on my TikTok. And I shared a lot of the story on it, which was the first time. And yeah, and it's quite empowering. So I just wanted to know kind of what your experience was with that coming to you today. Mm-hmm. Right. So you guys were trying for a second baby. How soon did you realize you were pregnant after you started trying? Were you drunk and it was another – I'm just kidding everyone. Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Everything's relative. This is your experience. It was long for your guys' experience, yeah. Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Mm-hmm. Okay. Is it prenatal or postnatal? Is it – prenatal is pre-pregnancy. See, well, hold on. So this is like – I mean, but like education needs to be more prominent on this. Like I still argue we need to learn more about this in school. Women's health needs to be like a little more highlighted. And men's health, everyone. Okay. Okay, so your first appointment after finding out you were pregnant. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Can I pause you for a second? So have you read before that cramping could, you know, either be like really bad or it could be like the implantation pain? Have you read that before? I don't know if you got confused. I got confused with that a lot. And I was like, you know, when I was feeling pain or the initial pain like throughout my process, it was, this could be good, you know, and there was like a tiny bit of light that I was trying to hold onto or hope that I was trying to hold onto in the process. I didn't know, did that go through your head at all or no? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Because it can't be that common, right? Sarcasm. But one in four pregnancies, right? There's some type of loss, so yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because they wanted to rule that out because those are quite dangerous. You are, but you don't have a medical background. Did they try to like use layman's terms at all? Yeah, layman's terms. Okay, let me react. Okay, so did they like dumb it down for you at all? Okay, okay, that's good. That's good. Yeah. Mm-hmm. For normal? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Right, so in the blood test, they look at the HCG levels, which is the hormone that is produced during pregnancy. And in the first, don't quote me, everyone, but in the first X amount of weeks or days, weeks, months, whatever, non-medical background, it increases exponentially, right, at a specific rate or whatever. And in the earlier pregnancies, it increases so much, like more, and then it kind of levels out, right, throughout the rest of pregnancy. And, yeah, I can relate to you on like the blood tests and everything. Mine was a 72-hour wait versus a 48-hour wait, but, yeah. Okay, sorry, keep going. So you did, yeah, so you had to go back 48 hours later and you had to do your blood test, and then were, okay. It was just taking blood. Good. Okay. Mm-hmm. And this was the first time, right, the first blood test time. Okay. Mm-hmm. Right. Like you couldn't process it in the moment because you're flooded with emotions and thoughts and what ifs and, yeah. I'm sure, so, okay, so, and I'm sure, like, they have seen the plethora of emotions, right, like the entire spectrum of what could exist, and that kind of like what you just said, the thought of, you know, like they probably think I'm crazy for acting this way, is like kind of goes back to the stigma of like the pregnancies, right, like we want to stay quiet because we think we're weird for having this thing happen to us or we think we're different because of this experience, right, and it's like it's kind of along the same lines. It's like they think I'm weird for or crazy for having this emotion, and it's like, no, you are allowed to feel however fucking you want to feel in that moment, right. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. No. Girl, I was taking tests like the day after we had sex. I'm like it had to have happened. There has to be 1% of hormones in me now. Mm-hmm. I had like a surplus box of I had like ovulation tests and then I had pregnancy tests, and it was a combo kit, and they were like the little strips versus the expensive plastic ones. Yeah, and oh, girl, I went through so many of those. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Matt thought I was crazy, but it's fine. Stop. Stop. Right. There's no like, hey, babe, my phone's about to die. is happening after I die. Oh, God. Mm-hmm. You can't see. Yeah. They started. They started. Yeah. Never. Yeah. Hormones are a bitch. All right, women go through it. Kidding but not kidding. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. So you were in your car processing everything, and you were like, oh, my God, I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. 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Nurse practitioner friend that I always call, like one of my best friends, I always call her if I have issues with anything because why wouldn't I? And I trust her with my life, and I told her what was going on. She's like, okay, you need to go to the ER. I was like, no, I'm fine. It's fine. She's like, you need to follow up with your doc. So I went to the ER that night because it was more than, it started becoming more than spotting. And they took tests and everything, and my HCG levels were lower, but I was still pregnant, right? So they gave me the timeline of 72 hours, so go do another blood test in 72 hours. And we'll compare the results, right? So I went on base and, because I had to, Air Force rules, I had to go back on base, and they did the blood test on my next duty day. So I went back to work, and I was in my office, and there's like 30 plus airmen that I was in charge of or, yeah, in charge of it that were in the same office, but just like separated by like a line of lockers, right? And I knew that there was a chance of miscarriage or a chance of pregnancy loss or yada, yada. So all of a sudden, I got a phone call, and while I'm in the office with all of these people in the office, and it's my doctor, and like I knew this was the big moment, right? And I already told my supervisor what was going on, and he was in the, in like the more private offices near me, and like the master sergeant who was our flight chief, he was in that section with me as well, and like I got the call, and my doctor said that I, my HCG levels were still increasing, but they weren't increasing as much, and that I miscarried. And I said, okay, like are we sure? She's like, yep, your levels are too low, like too low to be a confirmed pregnancy. It's definitely a miscarriage, and you know, of course, I was immediately hit with a flood of emotions. So, you know, like when other people's eyes are on you, like you feel, you feel the emotions more intensely, at least in my life, like that's how I feel, and it just hits you a lot harder, because things are highlighted, right? And I, so of course, like the tears started and everything, and I was asking my doctor, I said, okay, like what do I do? Because I already made an OBGYN appointment, because the base clinic doesn't have an OB, or at least ones that I was seeing, so I got referred off base to a private OBGYN. And I had my eight-week appointment, and I literally had it in like two days from that, two or three days. And I asked my on-base doctor, I said, like, okay, I have this appointment, you know, in a couple days, should I go just to make sure my body's like doing everything it needs to do? And also, because my HCG levels were still rising, like should I just make sure everything's okay? And he said, no, it's a miscarriage, go ahead and cancel your appointment, your body will take care of what it needs to take care of. I said, okay, because she's a doctor, right? Like she knows best. Not comforting at all, not comforting at all, but I, no, no, who would like that, who would like hearing, no, cancel the specialist appointment who does their practice every single day in this sector, yeah, cancel that, because your body will take care of what it needs to take care of. I'm like, okay. But I did listen to her, because she's the professional, right? I'm not, I don't have a medical background, so I was like, the doctor told me I can cancel it, the doctor told me my body would take care of what it needs to, and so I did. And here we are, literally three days after that phone call, when I was supposed to have my OB appointment, I wake up at like 3 a.m., and like blood curdling, screaming pain, and I could not stand up straight, I couldn't even stand up, and I was just bent over holding my stomach, and like it was the most intense pain that I've ever felt in my entire life. And I like, Matt heard me, obviously, he woke up, and I was like, we gotta go, we gotta go, and he knew exactly what needed to happen, like, I don't know how he knew, maybe I said we gotta go to the hospital, I don't know, but he heard it in my voice, right? He heard that like, this is not okay, and something's wrong. And so yeah, we went to, he drove me to the hospital, we could not get to the hospital faster. I will never forget that car drive, and I just, like, yeah, I wish we could have teleported to the hospital, and then we had to wait in the waiting room, they put me in a wheelchair, and it was still a wait, unfortunately, and they took us back to the room, and they immediately did like another, I forget if it was a urine test or blood test, I forget which one, it was probably blood test if I had to guess, yeah, because they had to do HVG levels, and they came back in the room, they're like, you're still pregnant, and I was like, huh? But like, in that moment, Matt and I looked at each other, and we were excited, right? Like, we thought we miscarried, we expected to see really low numbers, or none at all, I don't know really how that works scientifically, whatever, anatomically, but biologically, whatever, anyway, not medical background. And so we expected it to be, I don't know, appendicitis or something, I don't really know, and they're like, no, you're still pregnant, like, we need to do an ultrasound immediately, and so they did a transvaginal ultrasound, because we were still too early on, and they were like, you're only, or, sorry, they saw like debris when they were doing it, and I was like, what do you mean, debris? And they were looking at everything, and they're like, we can't find the pregnancy, and they're like, your tube is ruptured, and I was like, wait, I thought you just said we were pregnant, like, what are you talking about? Because I'm not educated on this, right? And yeah, so they educated us on that, because my tube ruptured, it had to have been an ectopic pregnancy, but they also enlightened us to the fact that I was internally bleeding, like, heavily, and they were like, there's a pool of blood inside of your abdomen, or your pelvic region, like, we need to go and explore, basically, and figure out if your tube, your fallopian tube, for everyone listening, if your fallopian tube is recoverable, and I was like, what does that even mean? What do you mean you can't save my tube? I was like, don't I need that? So anyway, they sent so many different nurses, and the on-call doctor was in, I wanted my OB so bad, but she wasn't there, because it's not her fault, obviously, she just wasn't on-call that time, but the doctor that we had, she was frickin' wonderful, and she really slowed down the medical terminology, and she was just talking us through everything, but in an expedited pace, right? Because she knew it was a timeline, and she's like, she explained the severity of everything, she explained that we need to stop this bleeding, she explained that she doesn't know if she can recover the tube or not, but she's going to explore that option, but she needed to prep me for surgery immediately, and I think I said this on this podcast before, but we didn't even tell our family that we were pregnant yet, so Matt, unfortunately, after they wheeled me back, Matt had to call our families and tell them that we were pregnant, and now we're not pregnant, and now I'm heading to emergency surgery, and bless his heart, because I don't know how he did that, because if I had to make that phone call, I'd be like, I don't know what to tell you, I will explain later, yeah, right, I'll call you later, but yeah, and of course, there was panic, there was panic in a sense of, I don't know what's going on, I do, but I don't, and I'm scared of what's going to happen, and then we just went through, we found out we were pregnant, and then not pregnant in a matter of 45 minutes, and I know Matt's trying to process it, I'm trying to process it, he's doing way better than I was at it, and, because, you know, hormones, and I think fear took over a lot, right, anyway, long story short, we found out that they could not save the tube, and they told me that after the surgery, obviously, they, I believe they told Matt that before I got out of surgery, or before I got into the recovery, and then, I'm not quoting him, and he's going to correct me later probably, but like, I'm pretty sure he told the doc that like, you know, like, they need to talk her through that, you know, being me, but knowing that I'm not going to like obviously respond to that well, but I did learn, so anyone who does experience an ectopic pregnancy, so what an ectopic pregnancy is, let's just kind of hit on that real quick, it happens everywhere, or anywhere in between, from the website that we pulled from, 1.3 to 2.4% of pregnancies, so it's quite a small percentage, I know that's a relative term, the small term, but it's basically where the fetus, or the embryo, like implants outside of the uterus, and so in my case, it was a tubal pregnancy, which means mine implanted in the fallopian tube, it grew too large to where my tube could not support it anymore, which caused the tube to rupture, or tear, and tear to the point where, in my case, was not recoverable, there was too much debris, too much tissue around, and they had to remove the entire tube, fortunately, in my case, they did not have to remove my ovary that was on the same side, or any other area in my pelvic region, if you will, but my biggest fear, because we were trying for pregnancy, is can we get pregnant, right? Is that even an option? And I know that's not an option for everyone, and I know there's alternate routes and everything, but it would still be an experience that we would have to grieve, right? And I could not thank the doctor enough, because in the recovery room, she shined some light on our situation, and she's like, you can absolutely get pregnant after losing a tube, and she's like, the fallopian tube, I'll never forget this, she's like, the fallopian tube is like the claw machine game, she's like, it can grab from any ovary it wants, and I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, the left fallopian tube, which is all I have, can grab from either the left or the right-sided ovary, and I was like, I'm sorry, what? And she's like, yeah, so like, for example, your left ovary, like, ovulates one month, and then your right ovary ovulates the next month, and they alternate, and she's like, that fallopian tube will just machine its way over into the other one. Yeah, so, I mean, that was nice, right? And that was like, okay, a little comic relief, or comedic relief in the shit situation we were in, but, and then the recovery process from that was obviously grieving the loss, but, and, you know, not the minimized chances of getting pregnant, but in my head, it was a minimized chance, even though it wasn't scientifically, and, or from what the doctor said, I should say, and, but the recovery, like, the scarring sucks, the, it was like three scars that were total, and like, the lowest scar, which is in, like, the pubic region is, it's a very thick scar, and it's small, but it's like, it's deep, and it's thick tissue, and it's just a thick scar, and that's probably the one that still bothers me to this day, and that might be a hack job, I don't know, but, but yeah, anyway, all that to say is ectopic pregnancies happen, I learned a lot in my experience, I learned what an ectopic pregnancy is, and it's just, it could be bad, because you do end up internally bleeding, and if it's not caught, it could be potentially fatal, because of the blood loss. Also, my airport doctor sucked, so if she listens to this, like, you fucked me, and I'm sorry, I'm not angry or anything, yeah, but, if I went to that appointment, they, I would assume they would have done another blood test, right, I would assume they would have done a transvaginal ultrasound, and they probably would not have seen the pregnancy in the uterus, and I would assume they probably would have deemed that ectopic, or, yeah, ectopic, because it's not in the uterus, right, and that probably would have raised some red flags elsewhere. What they do with ectopic pregnancies pre-rupture, I believe it's, like, more of the abortion conversation, and, like, DNC, is that the right terminology, I believe, but I can't speak on that specifically, just because I did not go that route, but I think that is the route it would go. Yeah, so, but I think we potentially, potentially, I don't know, because the timeline's still, like, lined up on the day that, like, the appointment was supposed to be had. Potentially, we could have saved the two, potentially not. What I am upset about is the fact that this doctor was so confident in her diagnosis of a miscarriage, and gave me clear and concise direction to not worry about anything, and know that my body would take care of it naturally, which it did not, which now I have seen the repercussions from. So, I don't think there's any lessons learned for, like, unfortunately for anyone out of this, except maybe that doctor. So, yeah, yeah, it's fine. But, I mean, maybe, maybe the lesson learned out of that is, like, advocate for yourself. If you're not comfortable with a diagnosis, get a second opinion. Like, military's kind of weird, because you start paying out of pocket in the event you don't go to the clinic doctors, so I guess it depends if you have the funds for that. Yeah, but if you are not comfortable with the diagnosis, I just highly recommend a second opinion, and it could be life-saving. Yeah. Okay, so, we kind of wanted to share the different types of pregnancy loss. I know we kind of covered specifically, like, two of them, the ectopic pregnancy, and we went over, like, the percentage of that, but the miscarriage, it happens in 15% of known pregnancies, which is, were you shocked to see that percentage? Yeah. Yeah, so then we have specifically the embryonic pregnancy, so that's when the egg is fertilized, but it doesn't develop into an embryo, so it's pre-embryo stage, and then there's a molar pregnancy, which is the placenta and the fetal tissues don't develop normally, so it's still considered a pregnancy loss, and then, as Kristen mentioned, you know, there's the stillbirth, which is the more advanced, the later-staged loss, and this site categorizes it as the fetus dies after a 20-week mark within the pregnancy, and then I know Kristen mentioned also, like, the chemical pregnancy, so it's not a false pregnancy, it's not a false positive test, but instead it's an early miscarriage, technically, and it's a loss that occurs after you get that positive urine test, so, but it's before an ultrasound, so it's kind of a weird early window, yeah, but a lot of that is caused because there's some chromosomal abnormality, and a lot of women don't even know that they're pregnant yet, unless, like, you know, you're trying, and you're tracking everything, and you got a planner that has a calendar on it, yeah, but. Yeah, and this is, like, surface level, right? Yeah, yeah, so this is, like, surface level, these are, like, the big categories, and then, I mean, miscarriage, also known as, like, spontaneous abortion, like, this, I mean, there's so many different types of miscarriages, and I was, as I was, like, reading, and I went to multiple different sites, and there were so many per site, and they varied depending on what site you were looking at, and I was, like, okay, we can't do this, we don't have time to go through all of these, but, like, just know, I mean, if you hear that you have a specific type of miscarriage, or read, or whatnot, like, just know that, like, you are not alone, and there are so many women out there going through a similar experience, if not the same, so if you need help, like, reach out, like, talk to someone about it. Yeah, so we looked up a, what? Do you want to, yeah, do you want to read, do you want to read through, like, just, you don't have to hit every bullet point, but just, like, we just wanted to kind of highlight, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you want to talk about some of the facts, and then I can talk about some of the symptoms, and then we can kind of alternate. Okay. So, something that is important to me, as a physical therapist, is, like, when you kind of just want to go over everything, do you think, like, reading is also an important part of that? Not from a medical background, us. Talk to a medical professional, please. And these are, like, higher risk of loss, right? Yeah. Which is wild. I drank caffeine during pregnancy, and I've had a caffeine problem since I was, like, 16, so I think it's, like, so situational dependent, situation dependent, you know, and everyone is different, and this is not an all-inclusive list, right? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and it kind of ties into, you know, like, some of the people that you see live the longest are the most unhealthy people, right? Like, they're heavy alcoholics or drug users or overweight or whatever it might be, smokers for 40 years, like, it's just wild how things work, right? But, yeah, so some of the symptoms that a woman who is pregnant can look out for is just any type of bleeding or cramping, any common symptom of pregnancy, because Google exists, and I know every, if you're like me, you are probably excessively looking at Google and or any mom app or website and looking up, like, what should I be concerned about or is this little feeling scary, right? In later pregnancies, so a woman with a stillborn may no longer feel like the fetal movement, so in the event you have gone through a pregnancy to get to the later stages, the doctors will start talking to you about, like, paying attention to the kick counts and, like, the movements, if the movements start to slow down or stop or you notice, like, oh, my baby hasn't kicked in a while or hasn't moved in a while, that is something that should be a red flag. I'm not saying it should be concerning yet, but it is something that you should talk to your doctor about or your provider about. Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I don't know how you felt, but, like, I felt at times where I was like, I don't want to be that girl that is calling about the dumbest thing, right? Like, but I highly recommend just do it. If there is no better time to call your provider or go to the ER than pregnancy, like, for a little thing. Mm-hmm. I'm pretty sure you were the one who told me, like, what to get. That was, you had one, and I ordered one off of Target or Amazon or whatnot. I was obsessive about it. They are really cool. I think I cried, like, every time I heard the heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah. But then, like, panic ensues when you don't hear it. Then you realize you're not a medical professional, and you probably just don't know what you're doing. Mine was 40. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. But... Yeah, and they watch, like, the blood flow, like, on the ultrasound. And then you guys heard me talk about the transvaginal. So it's really when a probe goes up your hoo-ha. It's just when you're not far along yet, or you're very early in pregnancy, and they can't see above the stomach with a normal ultrasound. Yeah. And then, I mean, how losses are treated really varies from person to person. It totally is situational dependent. So all we really want to say is talk to your care provider. They will put together a plan. Unfortunately, mine did not, but they should, right? And if they're not, ask them about it. Don't be afraid to ask the questions. Don't be afraid to push them for answers. Like, you are saving yourself, and potentially your soon-to-be child. If you are not comfortable with the answers, then get that second opinion. And I think that just depends on you and your situation and your environment. Yeah. But, yeah. So I hope this helped. I hope this helped shed light on the topic, right? Yes. Do you want to do a teleconference call or a live stream? Do you want to reach out to your care provider or just start it out with them? Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, let me bring up my note real quick, because I didn't make a note. Oh, I just remember it. Okay. So I know this was a more serious podcast. It was a very heavy topic, and it was a topic that a lot of people don't want to share about, and that's okay. But remember, lean on whoever's closest to you. Lean on someone. Just remember But to kind of bring this episode up a little bit, we wanted to kind of dive into what toddler tantrums we've had or fun parenting moments that we've had. So, Kristen, do you want to kick this off, or do you want me to go ahead and kick this off? Yeah, I got it. All right. So, my story is a little bit different. I was born in the middle of the night. I'm a 27-year-old girl, and I have a very late night coming back home. And obviously, I'm going What? Is that not allowed? Wait, they sleep in the tent? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mom's home. Mom's home. Oh, stop it. Did your heart just freaking melt? Yes. And they just freaking, like, they bear hug you right now, and it is the best. Lib does that, too, and she goes like this on the back. Yes. Like, they're there, Mom. They're there. Oh. Yeah, your ovaries explode. Oh, I freaking love that, and oh, I know he's obviously so excited to have you back home. What the hell? Oh, my God. Well, I guess Lib was happy to see us, but I wasn't going to share a story like that. Okay, I'm going to go the opposite route. Yes, Lib was happy to see us. She gave us cuddles, and it was very exciting, but this girl, I swear to God, she, okay, so she wanted the thing. It was right before we left for Hawaii. It was in between the last podcast and this one or in the trip. She wanted me to do her hair in the morning, and I normally do, I don't know, I normally do, like, pigtails or pig little buns or a ponytail, like, something to keep it off her face, right, because they're snotty and gross and sweaty because they're toddlers, right, and she'll probably have a receding hairline with how tight I put her ponytails, but it's fine. I will approach that topic when it's time later in life and apologize accordingly. So she, again, I was doing her hair, and she's like, I want Elsa hair, and I was like, okay, like, cool. I had no idea what Elsa hair was. Like, I know what the movie looks like. I get it. There's a lot of extensions, and it's a cartoon, right? Yeah, I mean, she has long hair, but, like, she has very thin hair and very fine hair, and she has powder hair, you know, whatever, and so I was like, cool, I'll do Elsa hair. I did a ponytail. She instantly felt it. She's like, no, Elsa hair, and she, like, holds her hand into a diamond shape, and I was like, I don't know what that means. So I was like, cool, that means pigtail, so I do pigtails. She's like, no, and she feels her head, and she's like, Elsa hair, and I was like, what the fuck is Elsa hair? So I Google. I Google, and I'm like, oh, she wants, like, twists, you know, there's, like, you know, two half twists, and then it's like a big ponytail. I was like, I got this. Like, I know how to twist. I used to twist all the time. My sister used to twist my hair growing up. I got this. So I twist, like, you know, the two halves, and then I twist the ponytail, and she feels it. She's like, no, Elsa hair, and her volume continues to increase. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to die today. Okay, you guys, I shit you not, 20 hairstyles later, my fingers are raw because these little rubber hair bands are ripping my circulation off. Matt's got to go to work, and then he's, like, trying to take her to school, and I'm like, do I need to take her? Because, like, I will, but, like, I got to throw a bra on first, you know? And I'm like, what the hell is this? And she turns around, and she's like, life teacher does it. I was like, well, the teacher didn't tell me how she does her hair. So I find out the diamond-shaped holding of hands means a braid, and if I would have known that 19 hairstyles ago, I could have saved us 30 minutes. And so I did a ponytail braid, you know? I did, like, the top half section, and then I braided that piece, and then I integrated it into a bottom ponytail braid. And she was like, she looked in the mirror, and she was like, I'm beautiful! I'm Elsa! I was like, are you freaking kidding me? All it took was a freaking braid? And so... Oh, she knew. She knew. And so mom got here, like, two days after that, and I told her, I said, Elsa hair means braid. And so it was probably, like, the first school day, right? Which was two days after mom was at our house. The first school day, she texted me. She's like, damn you for giving her this Elsa hair! Damn you for giving her this Elsa hair! Because she had to braid her hair, like, every freaking day! Oh, God. Yeah, but... So that's my story, is, you know, if they tell you to do what the teacher said, make sure to ask the teacher how they did their lesson learned. I was, and I was ridiculed, and I was bullied, so... Fuck toddlers. Just kidding, I love her. Yeah, but... Yeah, absolutely. So, as we always say, you can find us on Instagram. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. So, as we always say, you can find us on Instagram at Loud Moms Layer Podcast. We'll let you know when a new episode's about to drop, aka every Monday morning, unless we skip a week because, you know, vacation. And then you can listen on Spotify or YouTube. Just search our channel, which is Loud Moms Layer. And, yeah, give us any feedback like Kristen said. All right, bye!