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The Last Time Podcast is back with news from training camp. They discuss Tony's injury and speculate that he may miss 4-6 weeks of the season. They also talk about the retirement of John Ross and the signing of Marcus Peters by the Las Vegas Raiders. The hosts mention Jalen Ramsey's injury and how it will impact the Dolphins. They discuss Aaron Rodgers' pay cut and his decision to join the Jets. They express optimism about the Jets' chances this season and mention their upcoming appearance on Hard Knocks. Anyway, welcome, hold on let me actually start, 3, 2, 1, are you going to start that up? Yeah. Welcome back to the Last Time Podcast, I'm your boy Anguiano, this is my boy Lopez. What's up guys? You know we got a lot to talk about because training camp has finally started, but we have to start over, that's too loud, that's too loud, go. Welcome back to the Last Time Podcast, I'm your boy Anguiano, this is your boy Lopez. What's up guys? What's up? You know we got a lot to talk about because training camp is back, it's back, it's finally here, starting to smell like football season. And yeah, and with that, there's a lot of big news already, we were expecting news to come out right out of training camp and some of them are sad, honestly. Yeah, well before we start off with the sad news, let's start off with what I'll say pretty much happened first, which was, there is Tony getting hurt, which is intense, yeah actually no no, so let's actually start with that because that's actually the first thing I remember seeing. Yeah. Well, I mean, do you think he's going to miss a part of the season? I think so, with the gravity of the situation and the surgery that he's going to get, I do believe that Tony will miss at least a good portion, a good 4 weeks, 4 to 6 weeks. It's not too bad of an injury, but still I believe it will sideline him again for a couple of weeks. I don't know man, I mean, I did hear reports that supposedly he could make it, but at the same time like you said, he got surgery actually, he did already get it. Oh really? Yeah, he already got it, but it is concerning because if you think about it, you know, he's been very injured his whole career. But it's very concerning too because he's the number 1 option over there in Kansas City, and so when you lose a guy like Tony, who has potential, you take him away from Mahomes, it just pretty much hurts the team in general. I don't think it will be much of a problem for Mahomes because his skill set allows him to be great with anyone, but I just feel like Tony is a big loss. I agree, but that means I think at this point it's fair to say that there's going to be a new obvious tier 1, I mean, Tony wasn't, realistically Tony wasn't really that, technically he was Juju. Yeah. But I don't think it's going to be Tony like as expected at this rate. No, no for sure, it's just going to be, it's probably going to be MBS at this point. I don't understand, I mean, there's a lot of names there, I heard that he's had a connection with rookie, Rasheem Rice, and you know that he also, he's high on Justin Ross, I mean, yes. But actually staying on a Chiefs wide receiver is, I mean, this isn't super big news, but it's just interesting how they actually had John Ross, the one who broke the combined record for speed, and he retired. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I, best of luck in retirement, but sadly he never came to be the guy that people hyped him up to be. After that combined, a lot of people were like, this guy's like the next Moss, the next Rice, but sadly he never shaped up to be that elite receiver, and he just didn't have hands. He was very butterfingers in my opinion, so. You can have all the speed that you have, all the speed that you can have, but if you don't have that elite escape, that elite playmaking, then you're pretty much doomed. Yeah, I would say he was pretty much like the Walmart version of Tyreek Hill. He was fast, but he just couldn't get the main thing, which is catch the ball. And then, to actually stay on the AFC West though, this is in lighter news, what are your thoughts about Marcus Peters, the Las Vegas Raiders? So Peters went on the Raiders on a one year deal, right? Yeah, so it's more of a like, let's see if this veteran can help and boost the defense immediately. It's not a long term solution, but Marcus Peters, nevertheless, one of the best corners in the game, and I think he does definitely bolster that defense. Great pickup by the Raiders. They really need that secondary help. I think it makes a lot of sense, but the problem is that he is getting up there in age, so who knows whether or not he's actually going to be as productive as he has been in the past. Yeah. Because, I mean, like I said, in my opinion, he's clearly not in his prime anymore, so. No, that's what I'm saying, it's a short term solution, and he is 31 years old, he is reaching up to age, but corners tend to play deep into their 30s, if I'm being honest. We had Shimon Williams, who was already like 37, 38, so yeah, I mean, there's corners that get up there in age, for sure. To actually stay on corners, though, I mean, this happened today, I was thinking about going in order, but I think we should just actually touch on this today, because it was pretty big, Jalen Ramsey, getting hurt, he's going to miss a part of the season, not a good look for the Dolphins at all. No. I did make a little report on it on our TikTok, if you want to go check it out, but yeah, he's going to be out for 6-8 weeks, if there's not a complete break of the ACL, a complete tear of the ACL, so it's the best possible scenario for the Dolphins, but it's saddening because a lot of people were hyped about this move, him going back to Florida, him going to a possible contender, so it sucks, that defense will be, it's going to be held back because of it. I feel like, certainly, this does put the Dolphins in a situation where, I mean, that alone, in my opinion, pretty much just tells me they're going to probably be 3rd or 4th I mean, as a Rams fan, I know Ramsey still had some juice, he wasn't as prime Ramsey no more, but he still had some juice, especially, he almost got Seattle eliminated, so I know he can still impact games, and, you know, it's going to hurt the Dolphins, especially when they face the Bills or the Jets, because they need someone to cover that one, and I know, I mean, it's kind of actually the same, like, Xavier and Howard are there, but, I feel like, honestly, Ramsey generally has been a little bit more of that better corner overall. Agreed, agreed, yeah, it's a tough loss for the Dolphins, and, like you said, I don't see them competing at this point for second, but then again, I don't know, the Jets are a mystery, in my opinion. I don't feel like they are, I feel like the Jets, I feel like they actually look legit. Yeah. At least offensively, I don't know, I mean, like you said, I guess I understand what you mean, because you don't know how the offensive line is going to hold up. Yeah, exactly. I think the weapons are not the problem. That's nice, it's just to see how the chemistry works out, but, you know, speaking on the Jets, and Aaron Rodgers, they both agreed on an extension that's going to, or, I mean, a pay cut, basically, at this point, instead of getting the $105 million around there that the Packers offered him, or gave him, he's getting a $75 million deal, which is way less than he ever got, I think it was 75, I don't know. 75 for two years? Yeah, 75. So, like, 37. Yeah, it's a big, major pay cut, but, and so, I mean, obviously it's a pay cut, but, you know, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you're reaching that age that you're not going to play that long, you know, why not give yourself the best opportunity and help boost the salary, the salary cap? So, it's a big move, and I really think the Jets did a great job there. Aaron Rodgers definitely put the, he made it work, because obviously if it was any other player, they'd probably be like, I don't want to take that massive pay cut, but Aaron Rodgers made it work. I mean, Tom Brady would have a word about that. Oh, okay, you're right, you're right. I mean, I think, at one point or another, Mark Mahomes is going to have to do it, too, because... I think he actually restructured his contract, but I think in terms of Rodgers, though, specifically, I think he did this clearly because he knows the Jets are in win-now mode, obviously, and he's not trying to be like, oh, I have all this money, and now he can't afford anyone. He's obviously trying to give them that wiggle room to get some more people to make the team better. Yeah, it's not like the Packers, like, that didn't give them shit. The Jets are actually giving him the weapons, giving him the depth that he needs. The defense is solid. They gave Cooney Williams the extension, too. Big bag for him. So, that team is really looking like... It's looking more and more like a contender to me, a true contender to me, and Aaron Rodgers, just that move that Aaron Rodgers did is probably even as big as the move that they brought him in. Like, that's a massive pay cut that's going to boost that depth chart, and if it doesn't work out this year, then next year they're going to get more weapons. Exactly, exactly. I mean, I think generally, though, the Jets, even without that pay cut, they would have still been fine, but for sure, I think this solidifies that they're going to be very good, and I can't wait to see them on Hard Knocks. What do you think? How do you feel about that? Yeah, I think having them on Hard Knocks is going to be very interesting. I know Aaron Rodgers is also going to be on quarterbacks next season. It was confirmed by Peyton. We'll have the tweet here. But, yes, it's going to be a very interesting season. I just hope, like, I've said this countless times, I just hope they don't flop like the Broncos, because a lot of us were hyped about the Broncos. I know I was. But, like you said multiple times also, that it's a different situation. It's Aaron Rodgers. It's this and that. The reality is, the Jets are set up for success, and I hope that Hard Knocks really just shows us the grind to get there. I agree, because the Broncos last year, I think, were hyped because Wilson has some weapons. And, I mean, it turns out that his weapons are not as good as they thought. But, like you said, what makes it clearly different is the fact that Garrett Wilson really got over 1,000 yards with horrible quarterbacks. I think that literally just shows that they actually have a true one over there. And not only that, but the fact that they actually went out and got guys that Aaron Rodgers wanted, like Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. So, it really just signifies that Aaron Rodgers had a better chance, and not to mention that his favorite O.C. is there. You know, what's ironic is that he was a Broncos head coach. And, I mean, Salah, I feel like, given that he won seven games still, I feel like he has to be, obviously, a very good coach. Yeah. I mean, seven games with a horrible quarterback situation is good. It's promising. It's promising. And, in regards to Nathaniel Hackett, I don't know if you saw that Sean Payton kind of, like, called him out. He threw shade at him, saying that, oh, yeah, that's not going to happen. We're looking at the mistakes of last year, and we're going to work on it. I have the tweet on here, too. But, yeah, Sean Payton just called him out. Like, that's not going to happen. What happened last year will happen last year. It's not going to be the same thing. So, yeah, that whole Nathaniel saga, Russell Wilson, you know, mistakes and stuff, it's not going to happen again. At least, I don't think so. I think the Broncos will have a little better record, but I still don't think they'll make the playoffs. I mean, yeah, I agree. I feel like their offense is still going to be, it's not going to be good enough for the AFC. Yeah. And also, adding on to the AFC news, today in training camp, it is reported that Burrow got a calf injury, and it looked pretty ugly, just from the video that we saw. We hope it's nothing, you know, worse than a simple calf strain or a calf injury, because it could lead up to, like, Achilles and stuff like that. But from the looks of it and from, like, people, what I'm hearing is that it was just a simple calf strain, but let's hope, you know. I do think that he, if it was a calf strain, he would be fine by the start of the season. Yeah, yeah. But I do hope, though, that he does not get, that it's not too long, because obviously, like, he makes football better. Yeah. You know, like, T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, they thrive when Joe Burrow's there, you know, Joe Shiesty. Yeah. And he has drift, and he's cool. And pretty much, you know, he's that guy. Yeah, yeah. He brings a lot to the table for the Bengals, and obviously, he makes the game a little bit more flashier. He has that charisma, that swag. So, yeah, I hope he gets better soon. It's just, you know, anytime you see something like this in training camp, you kind of, like, you're, like, damn, like, kind of have to, like, hold yourself, like, damn, like, not only just the fantasy impact, but just, like, the real-life impact. Like, if that's your team, you're, like, damn, there goes my season. Like, if I saw Jordan Love do that, I'd be, like, damn, there goes my season. But best of wishes for him. But we'll keep you guys updated. We'll keep talking about it, because this could have a lot of implications. So, actually, one more AFC thing I want to talk about before I go to MSC. As that Justin Herbert guy extended, now that we're still on quarterbacks, we can't forget about the other guy. Yes, sir. I actually saw the other day that he threw his third season. I didn't realize that he's, like, like, he threw his third season. Most passing yards all the time. Most touchdowns all the time. I thought it was something else. Yeah. I was, like, damn, like, Herbert really is that guy. Oh, he is. He is. I really want to see, so bad, I really want to see the Chargers actually be fully healthy for a full season, so bad, because I want to see Herbert in a fully healthy offense. With a fully healthy defense, competing against Mahomes, competing against Breaux, competing against Allen, all those guys. Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, he can compete with them even if they're not 100%, but they're 100%. Who knows? I really wouldn't be surprised if he starts looking like a Mahomes-esque type of quarterback with the numbers. I mean, yeah, every year Herbert seems to just, like, you know, blow up, and, you know, obviously, he's had his injuries, he's had his setbacks, but, you know, I think once that team just gets really healthy and they compete, they give the Chiefs, you know, a good run, a good chase, then I think the Chargers will be truly contenders, because every year we kind of say, oh, they'll make the playoffs, you know, they'll win a game, but it never has reached that step, but I think having Herbert for the next five years gives you a good shot at it. No, and it was definitely the right move, I mean, like I said, he's actually that guy for the Chargers, and he's one of the best QBs, but it just sucks, obviously, because that team can never stay healthy. There's been questionable coaching, but really, it really seems like he can have an MAP-like season, because Kellen Moore is in the O.C., and that's a better O.C. than Joe Lombardi, and, you know, they got Quinton Johnston, so they address the wide receivers, because, you know, Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, they're starting to get out of their primes, clearly. But I don't, personally, I do think Mike Williams still has some juice, but Keenan Allen, for sure, I think at this point, he's just like the receptionist machine, he doesn't really, he's just a short intermediate guy, clearly, you know, he's not as explosive as he used to be. Yeah, no, yeah, I honestly was kind of surprised he said that, but yeah, Mike Williams is way younger than Keenan Allen, I'd say Keenan Allen is... He's like 28, 29. I mean, but Keenan is probably reaching more of his peak, no, I mean, the end of his prime, bless you, he's reaching the end of his prime, while Mike Williams still got, like, maybe a couple... Maybe one, two years. Yeah, but, yeah, the Chargers are primed to have some great years, I just hope it doesn't turn out to be another Philip Herbert's, where the Chargers just don't see, they're like on the cusp of it, but they never reach it. So, let's hope, let's hope. Because I really know, I mean, given that I live in LA area, obviously I see a lot of Herbert. Like, I already knew he was always, I already knew he was good, but to really think about how good he actually is, like, it really doesn't hit me until I actually look at other teams, other teams, like, or realistically, there's a lot of guys around his ranking, but, I mean, in terms of throwing the ball, he's up there, he's up there, he's up there. I wouldn't say it's unmatched, but he's up there with Mahomes and Allen. Yeah, yeah, definitely respect this game. And so, I think now we're going to lead on to one of the major news that happened in the NFC, and that was that, surprisingly, Saquon got extended. But, it's not the extension we thought, you know? If you want to go ahead and... No, I made a video on it, and I, if I've got to be honest, like, I know he has the bag still, technically, but if he really wants to stay in that position, he failed. He failed because one year, pretty much for sure 10.1M guaranteed, like the franchise said. Yeah. But, the only way he would get that extra million is if he pretty much goes off and they make the playoffs again. Yeah. And, I mean, that's a huge feat still. I still don't believe in the Giants that much. I don't think they're going to be the worst either, but, I don't know. I'm just very surprised, and I really did think that he was actually going to sit out at least a little bit. And, I mean, I know, I could tell, obviously, he didn't want to do that because, obviously, he wants to play. Yeah. And, I just really do think that Saquon should have taken him more of a stand, like Josh Jacobs, who's still currently sitting out. Yeah. And, we'll really see what happens there because, like I said, after Josh Jacobs, really, JT is really probably the last gasp of the running backs. He is. And then, I don't know. I don't know because, like you guys, you and the other friends said last week, you know, a lot of running backs are coming up, you know, probably thinking, is it even worth it? I mean, then, like I said last week, Jamiro Guez and Bijan Robinson. Yeah, they're running backs, but they do receiving work, and I think that's why they were drafted in the first round, and I do think that we're going to start seeing a trend. I didn't mention this last week, but I do think that we're going to see a trend where running backs that are good pass catchers as well are going to get drafted higher than your typical, you know, 20, 20 attempts, 25 attempts per game running backs. Yeah, it's 100% going to happen because, if I remember correctly, the first time, like one of the most recent drafts where, like, two running backs got selected in the first round pretty early were Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley, and we saw what happened. Both are pretty much out of the league at this point. Both are just, you know, carry. They just, you know, they're not really the type of pass catchers that, you know, we see today. So, they're going to see more and more that they'll be like, you know what, these are like, we don't want these guys that just, you know, go run and rush. We want guys that can pass, can go for the deep ball, can go for the slot. Like, these are, you know, guys like... Yeah, CMCs, Eklers. Exactly. So, it's not a surprise to me. It's going to happen sooner or later, and it's just a sad reality that, you know, that Barkley... I mean, it's because Barkley is really a franchise player. A lot of people in New York look up to him, and he has to do it, kind of. Like, he has to do it. If he wants to play and, you know, continue getting his advertisements, or, I mean, getting his sponsors and stuff like that, then play. But guys like Josh Jacobs, who are not that big at the start, you know, they're obviously going to still want... They're going to command what they want, and it's going to take a while for Josh... I don't think... I've already been saying this, that he's going to request a trade, because I don't think he's just going to get that money. If he wants the extension, it's just not going to happen. I don't think the Raiders are going to get that. I agree. I mean, there's another thing I just want to say, is that I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years from now, for example, like, we look at the leaderboards for rushing, and no one rushes for over 1,000 yards. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, at this point, as time goes on with the running back market, it's actually getting to the point where, like you said, it's just not good anymore, and... Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, like, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I feel like Derrick Henry is like the last pebble guy, the last guy that we're going to probably really see that's, like, a true running back. Henry and Chubb. Henry and Chubb. Yeah, yeah, Chubb, too. Yeah, I can't disagree. Like, I'm not saying their skill is, like, trash or anything, or, like, horrendous. I'm just saying that eventually, the way we're looking at extensions, it's just looking rough for the position. Like, people would be... People are going to see the risk. You know, there's not going to be much reward for it. You know, it's just going to be the risk of getting hurt, so... Sad day for the group of running backs, but Barkley had to do what he had to do. But, yeah, bro, I mean, actually, there's one more NFC news that I don't want to forget, and it's that, you know, a nurse care in the Detroit Lions, CJ Gardner-Johnson, was carded off. Yeesh. But it seems like it was day-to-day, which I find weird, because supposedly it was his knee, and it was not in contact. I don't know. Who knows? I mean, given that it's supposedly day-to-day, if that's the case, then I think the Lions are still going to be fine, but... It's something to look at. It's something to look at still, because it's like, if they lost him, for sure, I would have said at that point, like, that division for sure is up in the air. Yeah. Because he is one of the best secondary pieces in the NFL. Oh, yeah. Not just for the Lions. In the NFL. Oh, 100%. Yeah. So, who knows? I mean, I don't know. I mean, what do you think about that? I mean, it's good news that, you know, it was just a small issue, because anything with an ankle, anything with your leg, it's very concerning, especially at a corner position. So, I mean, the Lions saved themselves for sure. The Lions fans should relax for now. But it's still something to monitor later down in the season, even if he goes into preseason. Something I didn't mention about Joe Burrow, actually, is that they might shut him down for the preseason, which makes sense. I mean, don't risk your starter. Don't risk your star at all. But still, it's things you've got to monitor, even though there's, you know, small little injuries, it's still stuff that can, you know, really aggravate and, you know, cause harm later on. Like with Burrow, you know, supposedly for capturing, something to watch out, because I remember Kevin Durant was having a lot of calf problems at one point, and eventually it led to an ACL injury. I remember it was in the 2019 NBA Finals. He had a calf injury. He was having calf issues a lot during that season, and he tore his Achilles. He tore his Achilles, because the Achilles and the calf are really pretty much together. So, it's just something to watch out, because these injuries could lead on to bigger, you know, bigger things. No, yeah, I agree. I mean, it's very concerning. It reminds us that, you know, football players tend to get hurt a lot, because, like I said, how many names did we mention? Tony, Gunnar Johnson, Ramsey, Burrow, who else? Who else? I mean, that's pretty much it. I mean, I think that's pretty much it. There's still like four or five names in just one week, or like half a week. Oh, we forgot this guy. Naheem Himes. Oh, yes. Naheem Himes. He got hurt in a ski accident, I believe. Oh, yeah. I think that right there is just very unfortunate. Very. After that season. Yeah, and I got, like, honestly, I was trying to get Devin Hester right from him, when he was returning those kickoffs against New England. I'm like, you know what? Next year, he could probably do this a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now, obviously... It's out the window. It's out the window. Yeah, it's sad. It's sad, yeah. Hines was destined to have a pretty solid campaign, especially since I think he was going to share the RB1 snaps with Cook. But now that that's happened, that unfortunate injury, yeah, it's pretty much going to sideline that for another season, and hopefully it's not anything, you know, where, like, it pretty much starts the beginning of, you know, the end, you know? So, yeah, sad to hear about Hines, and hopefully he... So, it's just a sad time for anybody. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it really is. It's a sad time. Just unfortunate events going on. And now, after all this news, it's time. It's time for the surprise. I'm going to reveal my top 15 fantasy football quarterbacks. Assuming Joe Burrow does not have his time. Assuming Joe Burrow does not have his time here, I'm going to start my rankings. All right. Well, let's see. So, let's... I think the camera sheet closed. Let me check. No, I'm going to restart it. Go ahead. But, yes, the quarterback rankings, I'm going to just start... I'm going to just kind of... I'm going to restart it. Okay, go ahead. But, yes, my quarterback rankings, I'm going to just reveal them. I'm going to restart again. Hold on. Just stop the camera. Stop the camera. So, yeah. Hold on, let me restart it. Okay. So, after all that news, I feel like it's time for me to tease you guys with my quarterback rankings. All I'm going to do is just tell my quarterback rankings... It's horrible. ...in order. Yeah, it is hot. Like, how my list is going to be a hot take, I guess, when you hear it. I'm going to have my quarterbacks in order. I'm only going to name the top 15. And all I'm going to say is their points per game, because you guys want to see more. I mean, just check this out. When we have it out, you guys got to check it out. So, with that being said, my first quarterback is Lamar Jackson. I have him averaging 26 points per game. And what do you think about that? Continue. I don't have any... So, my second quarterback is going to be... Let me just make sure. Yes. It's going to be Jalen Hurts. My second quarterback is Jalen Hurts. I have him averaging 24.83 points per game. Any thoughts on that, or are you good right now? I just want to hear the whole list. Okay, you want to hear the... Okay. Okay, I'll just... You know what? I'm going to just shoot through the whole list. Go ahead, go ahead. And I'll just... You know, so my whole... The whole audience can just hear all I want. Yeah, go ahead. I'm just going to read it from my phone, actually. Go ahead. Just to make it easier. So, my third QB is going to be Joe Burrow. I have him averaging 23.81 points per game. My fourth QB is going to be Josh Allen. I have him averaging 23.59 points per game. My fifth QB is going to be Patrick Mahomes. I have him averaging 22.37 points per game. My sixth QB is Justin Fields. I have him averaging 22.21 points per game. My seventh QB is Kirk Cousins. I have him averaging 20 points per game. 20.05 to be exact. And then my... Hold on, let me double check. Yes, my eighth QB is Justin Herbert. And I have him averaging also 20.5. And then my ninth QB... In terms of points per game, my ninth QB is actually going to be Kyler Murray if he plays. If he plays, it's going to be 19.6 points per game. That's why I have him. My tenth QB, assuming Kyler Murray plays, is going to be Gino Smith. 19 points per game on the dot. My eleventh QB is Dak Prescott. 18.94 points per game. And then my twelfth QB is Charlie Lawrence. 18.92 points per game. My twelfth... Hold on, let me double check. Actually, no. My thirteenth QB is Daniel Jones. And he's going to be averaging 18.79 points per game. My fourteenth is Tua. And I have him averaging 18.4. I mean 18.64. And to round off my top 15, I have Aaron Rodgers averaging 18.5. Pretty interesting list. And I'm just going to start it off by calling you out by having the fact that you have Justin Fields and Kirk Cousins over Herbert. That is a very hot take in my humble opinion. Very hot take. You're one of the guys... You remind me of one of those guys that believed that Fields was going to... I mean... Yeah, that Fields was going to be super good last year and he was just utter garbage. Hold on. Let me drink a quick drink of water before I roast you. Because Fields is not that guy. And Herbert is that guy. And has the numbers to prove it behind him. Has the team to prove it behind him. And Fields has what? DJ Moore? Yeah. But look at this. We're talking about fantasy. Okay. You might be surprised, but Justin Fields was actually top six QB last year in fantasy. Okay. And what was Herbert? And like 11. Okay. But he was hurt. I will give you that. Yes, he was hurt. But there's something that Justin Herbert doesn't have and that he cannot run the ball like that. And, you know, I think Justin Fields is the best field threat right now. I have him projected near 1,000 yards. I don't have him over 1,000, but I have him near. I mean, you can look more into it later on, but, you know, I think Justin Fields is just going to carry because of that. I have him also, like, you know, passing more than last year. I will say that. I won't be too specific. But I don't have him passing as much as Justin Herbert because Justin Herbert is a guy, he's a dog for sure. But, like I said, I'm also considering the fact that I do think Key and Allen and Mike Williams are going to take a step back in 2013. I do think that's going to happen. Not a huge step back. Not like they're washed fully, but I'm also thinking because of Quinton Johnston, you know. So. But if anything, that would help them get more targets because they won't have to deal with, you know, add pressure by corners, if you get me. I don't think. You have a third option. You have a third option. I don't think. But, I just know for a fact that Fields, I think he's just bound to improve. If you're basing on. And he has two V6 with 20 points per game in 22, and he barely freaking passed the ball. Okay. If you're basing that off his running, I feel like teams will figure it out pretty quickly that this guy is just a runner. And like I've always. I haven't projected to have less than 1,000. Okay. I do think he is going to throw more. Yeah. But like I said, when I actually just did the math, that's just what happened. Like the math that I did, pretty much told me that Fields is going to average more. Okay. I agree on your point that he is very mobile, but now on to Kirk Cousins. Why do you think Kirk Cousins is going to do better than Herbert? Is it just because he has the number one receiver in the league? Not only that, he has a better tight end. He has a very good wide receiver too now in Addison. And, Don Quick is gone, so I just think he's going to have more opportunity to just throw the ball everywhere. Osborne's wide receiver three is okay actually. I don't think that's a bad idea. But like I said, I think there's a difference between Kirk Cousins and Justin Herbert in terms of how it's going to be for them this season. I feel like with Kirk Cousins, he's going to have to throw a lot. He's going to have to throw a lot. Justin Herbert, he's going to have to throw a lot. But I feel like if they stay healthy, like I said, this is me assuming everyone's healthy pretty much. So it is a disclaimer I guess. Me assuming everyone's healthy. I just don't think he's going to throw as much. Well, as cousins. If I'm being honest, this is where my counter argument is. Herbert has Eckler, who's a running back that can catch. And Cousins does not have Cook anymore. He has Madison. Madison is kind of like a cook. Madison's kind of like a cook though. I mean, he's been able to produce. But what I'm trying to say is that you have Herbert, who has a running back that can catch the ball from wherever and has three solid running wide receivers, my bad, while Cousins only has Jay Jettis and Osborne and Hopkinson. Madison. But we don't know about Madison. We don't know if Madison is that guy. We don't know if Osborne is that guy. Honestly, the only wide receiver that's proven is Jay Jettis. So I'm just saying, if you want to compare both weapons, the both sides, I would give the edge to the Vikings. But that running back position is also very wide receiver. That running back position is also very viable. And obviously Ekler is obviously a lot of value for that team. But I will say this. I will say this. I want to say this though. What's that? I don't think Ekler is going to be, I think he's going to be in Boston. Yeah. But I will say, I have projected to have like 60 something receptions because they're going to, look, he got over 100 last year with 700 yards just because everyone was hurt. Yeah. And all that, you know? So I don't think he's, I think he's going to get barely over half of that. And the yards will for sure probably be like 500 or something. That's my prediction. Like 500 or something after that. So it's not like super crazy. But I mean, it's very good. Look, I will say that it is, these are all valid arguments and they're like pretty close. But we'll see like once training camp comes down, we'll see kind of like who their weapons are, if anyone gets hurt. And I just think just based off last year, I think Herbert is better than Cousins and could slightly be better than Fields. But if we're, like you said, the running, the running aspect, of course Fields takes it. But just team-wise, just team-wise and weapon-wise, Herbert has, he's a better Justin. He's a better Justin. I mean, in terms of pure passing, I'm not going to sit here and say Justin Fields is better. Yeah. Of course Herbert is better, bro. I'm not saying any of that. If Justin Herbert was more mobile, then he'd be a party like right there with Mahomes. Literally. That's how much that, if he was mobile, more like 400, 500 rushing yards, I would party about him. That's how much I predicted. I think like 100 something yards. Yeah. Interesting. He doesn't really run. Yeah. Another point that I wanted to make was regarding Aaron Rodgers. 15 to me seems... And points per game. 15 to me seems a little low, but it's just me. No bias, no anything. I just feel like he has a lot of solid weapons now in New York. So I don't know, I forget who you had him over or who, yeah, who you had. I mean, I could tell you. So, I mean, obviously I have Holmes, Fields, Hurts, you know, Burrow, all those guys that are like up there, up there. And then obviously Fields because of rushing, because if Fields wasn't rushing he wouldn't be in the top 15. No. And, you know, I have Kirk Cousins because I think the, I think the rocketry is still a little bit better than the Jets. Yeah. And I, I don't know. I mean, I just think Aaron Rodgers is probably going to creep in the top 10. I think that's, like it's not, I mean, obviously 10 and 15 is not far at all. But I will be honest, like between 10 and 15 all the points we're getting are like one point apart really. So it's not like I'm sitting here and saying Rodgers is going to be tremendously worse than QB 10. I, I have, like I said, I have Gino Smith at 10 and he's at 19. Yeah. And then I have Aaron Rodgers like at 18.5. So, it's not really that much of a difference. But, like it's, it's more of the fact that the reason why I have him lower is either because the weapons are better for the other team or they can run. So you're telling me the Seahawks weapons are better than the Seahawks weapons. Yes. Yes. And it's, it's better overall. It's, it's overall, I think it's better. It's a toss up between both of those teams. Um, cause I would say wide receiver wise, yes, for the Seahawks. But running back wise, yes. So it's like, Ken Walker runs for over 1,000. And, and, Charvenet is probably going to be like, I guess like the Eckler-ish of the offense. They really, I think they actually got him mainly for passing situations cause Ken Walker, you know, he's not that much of a pass catcher which obviously leads to the fact that their running back, their running back position is probably really changing in front of us. Hmm. So now you like certain Charvenet. I don't like him. Especially since he's a rival, but. No, but I will say that I like the jerseys, the retro jerseys. No, but I'm, I'm keeping tabs on you if you didn't forget that you had Charvenet in the, outside your top five that one time. You know, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I called you a hypocrite that time. I don't even have him in my top 14 running back right now. I mean, it could change. It could change. Running back can get hurt. It could change. You're right, you're right. Who? You might, I'm being, I'm brain farting right now, but Breach Hall at the court, uh, running back for the Jets, right? Yeah, running back for him, but he came up injured. Yes. Which also leads to me questioning like, that's probably like the little X factor right there because. It's just, I feel like he would've definitely rushed for a thousand yards the way he was trending. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I feel like if he didn't get hurt, yeah, but, but even, even with Breach Hall, they have James Robinson. They added James Robinson, too. But he's not, I think he's a pitcher now, actually, or. No, he's a Jet, or no. I actually, well, if he's on the Jets, we'll have it here, too. If he's on the Jets, then that team is really, I mean, let me just look it up right here, but, uh, Robinson is one of those guys that's like, very like. Yeah, yeah, he, let me look it up right here. Um, I don't, don't remember exactly, uh, if he went to the Jets, but, oh, he's on the Giants. He's on the Giants. Yeah, well, I guess we're both wrong. 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