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Two cousins in Oklahoma discuss their recent experience of a power outage and a failed movie outing due to technical difficulties. They also discuss the response to their previous podcast episode and begin talking about the case of Nanny Doss, a woman who killed multiple family members. They discuss the suspicious circumstances surrounding the deaths and Nanny's confession to poisoning her husbands. They also mention Nanny's strange behavior during police interviews and her eventual conviction and life sentence. Hi, I'm Jess. And I'm Tiff. And we're your curious cousins. Where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma. Welcome to episode 43. Welcome. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. We've got power, so I'm fantastic. There we go. We got it at about 4 o'clock-ish on Friday, and I know there was a lot of people that were still out of power, but... Glad to feel more back to normal. There you go. How are you? Good. We attempted to go see the movie Elemental today. I say attempted because we got there, and we were there for the 1.30 showing. Some storms had moved in in the morning, and there were really high winds and rain, severe thunderstorms, whatever. I guess where the theater was located, they had lost electricity. So when they turned back on, they just reset everything and thought business as usual. So we all get in there for the 1.30 showing, which was the first showing of the day of the movie. 1.30 rolls around, and the screen's not even on, you know, for the pre-show stuff. Sorry. Get that out. I just burped in the thing. We'll cut it. Thanks. I've done worse, so you know. Then at 1.45, still nothing, still nothing. Somebody in the audience went and asked somebody, and they said they were working on it. So I'm like, how do you not know that your projector's not working? Whatever. So then at about 2.08, a worker came in and explained to us that when they had the power outage, when they rebooted, I guess the movie was completely deleted off their server, and they were having difficulty getting it back. So they ended up giving us free movie vouchers, like ticket vouchers, and then they refunded us. So it actually ended up working out. That's nice. I mean, that's good that they did that. Yeah. I didn't even realize that movies were now on servers. I guess I didn't either. I don't know where I've been. Even though when they tell you that the movie's digital, it's gone on me what digital meant. Right. But yeah, so we're just going to try again later this week, I guess. Well, hopefully they'll get it worked out or whatever, get it back on. Whatever it might be. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping too. Well, do we have any business? No, I don't think so. We had really good response to part one of Nanny Doss. We did. She's one of those that I think people are fascinated by. Yes. My friend Erin, long time listener. Hello. Hey, Erin. She texted me and was like, what more could this woman have done? What more could possibly you have to cover in a part two? And I'm like, I don't know. And you will find out. Right. I go, you just wait. And I go, actually, honestly, I don't know. I don't know. So. Well, on that note, should we just get right in? Yeah. Okay. So I'm not going to really go back over my sources. I will add, though, I did in this episode, I looked at Murderpedia. And I also looked at the Total World newspaper. Okay. So I'm just going to add those. The other three were the same from last week. So little recap real quick. So up to this point, we know the following victims died under suspicious circumstances while being around Nanny Doss. So that would be two of Nanny's children. Okay. Two mother-in-laws, four husbands, approximately two to three grandchildren, her own mother, and her own sister. So that's about 12 to 13 victims that we know of or suspect her of. Now, if you all remember, her last victim that we talked about was husband number five, which was Samuel Doss. I did find some more information on Samuel Doss that I wanted to share. And so really quick, he was 58 years old when he died. Wow. He was described as a sturdy, solid man. And he was a God-fearing man, which we kind of talked about. He didn't chase women, never smoked, never drank. He refused to play dice or gamble. He didn't cuss. He was careful about his appearance, thrifty with his bank account, never was riled, was never angered or quick to anger, I guess. He loved nature, and he saw the good in almost everything is how he was described. He worked a steady job as a state highway inspector. Oh. And he was softly spoken, and he often wore like a necktie. Oh, that's cute. So I'm going over this because you think the past husbands that she had, you're like, this was like an upgrade. This would be almost idyllic because she was looking for that perfect romance, that true love, a knight in shining armor, but wasn't one of the problems, too. He didn't let her read her romantic novels and newspapers or magazines or whatever. Yes. Get this, though. He helped around the house. He helped Nanny cook. Girl. He didn't have that I'm king of the castle kind of attitude. He wasn't threatening or violent. He did seem to be frugal, and he didn't spend money unnecessarily. I think that was kind of one of the faults, I'm doing quotation marks, in Nanny's eyes, I think. He had forbidden, like you had said, he had forbidden Nanny from reading or watching any of her romantic stories. He thought reading and watching TV should be for educational purposes. And Nanny had initially poisoned a prune cake that she had fed to Samuel, which landed him in the hospital for 23 days, which he survived, by the way. He was released in October 1954 and was expected to make a full recovery. And then that night, after making it home from the hospital, Nanny made him a pork roast and then his deadly cup of coffee, excuse me, deadly cup of coffee, leased with arsenic to wash it down with. And he died immediately. So that's where we left off. Right, right. So now let's talk about how she was caught and the aftermath. So with Samuel Doss's death being so sudden, after literally being released from the hospital on good health and expected to make a full recovery, finally, Samuel's doctor became really suspicious about the circumstances surrounding his sudden death, and he ordered an autopsy to be done on him. Finally. What the coroner found was just shocking. The coroner found that Samuel Doss's body was riddled with arsenic. One source said that they found enough arsenic to kill 20 men in Samuel's stomach. Another source said in Samuel's intestines and stomach, there were remains of the pork roast dinner that he ate and enough arsenic to kill a team of horses. She wanted him dead. Oh my gosh. Like, just thinking about it, did... I wonder if any of these people, because poison was like her number one. Yeah, that was her main... Her means of, to an end. Did anyone ever notice that she never ate any of the stuff that she served people or never drank anything that she served you all or... She missed that like the prunes. Right, right. I don't mean to make light of it, but I mean, it makes you wonder. It does make you wonder, and you bring up a great point because it's just kind of like... Did you all not notice that she wasn't eating what she was or drinking what she was serving you all? I mean, I'm not trying to... I really am not trying to victim blame, but... It just makes you wonder. It does make you wonder, like, did she... Yeah, did she say like, oh, well, I don't like coffee or... Yeah. Or did she serve herself and she made two different batches? Right. I mean, that's what I would like to assume that happened. But I just wonder. I just think, like, she used arsenic so many times. Like, arsenic has a very distinct smell. Well, I was going to say science teacher. Yeah, it has a... Would it have like a taste? I don't think it has a taste, but it has a smell. It smells like almonds. And I almost don't know if you don't smell it until after...because I don't think it tastes different. I don't know that you smell it until after the body has died and then you smell the almonds. Well, maybe that's why she put it in coffee because coffee has a strong smell. True. That's a good point, too. And it could cover up. So it was just kind of...it's just kind of weird that... Yeah, it's interesting. When people did die, even if they didn't necessarily have an autopsy, typically, I've been told, or what I've learned through the years, you can smell the arsenic. Yeah. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you could smell it. Well, and she used food poisoning a lot as an excuse for the death. That's true. You know, obviously, back then, there wasn't...they took her word for it, you know. I guess it's also shocking that it took so long before somebody was like, huh. Right, because this is 1954. Right. And essentially, she's been doing it since before 1928. Right. I mean, she got divorced in 1928. She could be doing it for possibly 30 years. Right. No. No, yeah. It's just crazy. It was clear that Samuel Doss's... Nope, sorry. I'm going to re-read that. It was clear that Samuel Doss had been murdered. Oh, for the sake. The police immediately confronted Nannie, and at first, she refused to acknowledge her role in her husband's past... The police immediately confronted Nannie, and at first, she refused to acknowledge her role in her husband's poisoning. Like, she flat out acted like she had no clue. I didn't do anything. She told police that she... Good grief. She told the police that he was her husband and that she wouldn't have harmed him. I mean, why would she? However, the police weren't having it and wouldn't let up on the questioning. So, they reminded Nannie Doss that arsenic didn't come naturally with pork meat or coffee bean. In fact, when Sam was admitted into the hospital a month earlier, he had just devoured some of her famous prune cake. They asked if that had been poison, too. Nannie would tell the police that she didn't know what they were talking about, and she would giggle at the ridiculousness of their line of questioning. Me? Poison? Because who would suspect a poor, innocent granny of killing her husband? Right? Mm-hmm. One source said that she unnerved the police by giggling at their questions. Hour after hour, they kept drilling her with questions, just trying to get her to pay attention, instead of, like, thumbing through a copy of one of her romance magazines. Apparently, it was a nightmare. They couldn't get her to pay attention. Why did they even let her have one? Well, normally, any one of the investigators wouldn't have put up with that. They would have just ripped the magazine from the suspect's hands and thrown it in the trash. Right. If the suspect still didn't cooperate, there was a good chance maybe they would throw them around, too. You know what I mean? I don't know. However, it's difficult to get rough with a sweet, grandmotherly type with a harmless, innocent giggle. And it wasn't until they refused to let her continue to read her magazine that she finally confessed. So, Nanny confessed to poisoning Doss's coffee, but not out of maliciousness. She said that Sam wouldn't let her watch her favorite TV programs, and he made her sleep without the fan on on the hottest nights. So, she called him a miser. And then asked, well, what's a woman to do under those circumstances? As an Oklahoman, not being able to sleep with the fan on. I get that, but does that mean murder? Okay, probably not, but I guarantee there are some people out there that might consider it. You know, it just, you know. I'm not trying to play the suspect. It's just funny. I mean, yeah. I mean, granted. That's because that was one of her excuses. Right. That he wouldn't let her sleep with the fan on. Yes. So, Nanny Doss confessed to killing four out of five of her husbands, but she denied having anything to do with any of her relatives' deaths that died on her watch. In the exact same way that her four husbands died? Mm-hmm. She told the police that her husbands were all men whom she had at first admired, but they turned out to be duds. All she had ever wanted was romance and a man to love her. But instead, what she got was what she described as dullards. So, each and every one of them, she said, if their ghosts are in this room, they're either drunk or they're sleeping. That's what she said to the police. And so it just gets better, okay? Oh, my gosh. So, with further investigation. Icy. She's something, all right. With further investigations and her confession to killing four of her husbands, detectives from Tulsa made their way to Kansas, North Carolina, and even to Alabama to take part in the exhumations of – am I saying that right? Exhumation? Exhumation. Exhumation of her husbands, her mother, her sister Debbie, her mother-in-law, Arlie Lannings – I forgot her sister – Arlie Lannings' mother, and her 2-year-old grandson, Robert. Her husbands were all found to have had arsenic and or rat poison in each of their bodies. One source said that some of the bodies of other family members, while not indicating a toxic substance, all appeared to have perished by asphyxia, which there was a strong suspicion that they were probably smothered in their sleep. Other sources indicate that other family members were also poisoned, but we did talk last week how it was believed that she suffocated her 2-year-old grandchild, Robert, while he was in her care. So remember, I said earlier that Nannie finally confessed to killing her husbands, but not the other family members? Yeah. Well, however, when more attention was placed on her, Nannie finally confessed to also killing her mother, her sister, her grandson, and one of her mother-in-laws. So some of them, but not all of them. Now that you say that, when she's being showered with this attention, and all of a sudden she's starting to open up more and more, do you think maybe one of the reasons why she murdered people – I mean, I 100% think that it had something to do with her upbringing, but I also think it had to do with that head injury. Right. Do you think that she lavished the attention, or she enjoyed the attention, that people bestowed upon her when she was suddenly, quote, a victim because somebody died unexpectedly? I mean, she very well may have just lapped that up. It just sounds like that, due to her personalities, that that seems to be – And the way that she almost, you know, giggling during her police interviews, and it's almost like – I mean, I definitely don't think that she was mentally stable. Right. Like there had to be something else going on, probably due to a head injury. But it's almost like she craved that attention because she wanted this – I don't know, it's just – I'm not making excuses for her. She was an awful human being. But it's just – it's so weird that all of a sudden, when all the attention is on her, now she's like, oh, and I did this, and oh, yeah, I did that, oh, yeah, I did that. Well, and it gets crazier, though. How? It does. How? So just remember that she confessed to killing these people. Yes, yes. So right now, it's a total of eight people she's confessing to. Okay. So, kooky fact. Oh, no. One source said that several days after Nanny's arrest, a man by the name of John Kiel stepped forward from North Carolina looking relieved. Kiel was a dairy farmer who had been riding back and forth with Nanny after finding her ad in the Lonely Hearts column. She had mentioned to him that she was a widow and was wanting a good man with whom she could settle down with. Nanny sent him a homemade cake, and that was the reason why Kiel was so relieved. The cake hadn't been his favorite. It was apple and prune. It was an apple and prune cake. Otherwise, he might have been her next victim. Did they test the cake? I don't know. Or did he throw it out? I didn't say. Apple prune. What is it with her using prunes? All the fruits on the planet, and you're using prunes? I don't know. It doesn't make sense. So this could have potentially been another victim. Yeah, yeah. Of course, the media and the newspaperman also focused on her first husband, Charlie Braggs, the only husband who survived being married to Nanny Doss. He would tell them all about how Nanny was always running off with one man or another and how she was never home. He told them he was glad when she was off running around. And it got to the point where he was scared for his life and was afraid to eat anything that she cooked. So last week, I had mentioned that Charlie and Nanny's two middle children died of food poisoning on two separate occasions. Well, that may not be the case. One source said that Charlie Braggs had asked that the bodies of his two daughters be disinterred along with the others that the paper had listed as being suspect. Braggs had told the newspaperman that being a railroad worker, he had returned home one night from work to find two of his daughters, ages one and a half and two and a half, lying unconscious on the floor. He said they died before the doctor arrived and had turned black. Oh, the children were buried without any kind of inquest. He also said that he continued to live with Nanny for about five years after this had happened, following the deaths of the daughters, but that he and his relatives grew increasingly afraid that he eventually just divorced her in 1928. However, when Nanny was asked about it, she said they divorced because he brought another woman into their home. The government had obviously figured out that they had enough on Nanny Doss to send her to prison for a very long time, so the daughters of Charlie Braggs remained interred. They didn't need their bodies to be exhumed because they had plenty of evidence already. It is believed that Nanny Doss killed about 12 people, but she only confessed to eight murders, like we talked about. However, one source said that there was even a period unaccounted for in her life where it is believed that she lived in New York and Idaho and was possibly married to a man named Hendricks. Did he fall prey as well to Nanny's temperament and prune cake? We don't know. The state of Oklahoma only focused on the murder of Samuel Doss, who died in Tulsa. Well, they have the most evidence on that one anyway. The states where the other victims were uncovered still wanted Nanny Doss for the respective deaths within their jurisdiction. However, she was never tried outside of Oklahoma. I wonder why. Do you know why? I didn't really say. I guess because, I mean, I'm assuming you're about to tell us what her sentence was, but you probably couldn't add any more to it. Well, Nanny was seen by a few different psychiatrists who found her sane and mentally fit to stand trial. So she ended up pleading guilty to murder on May 17, 1955. After a brief hearing, Judge Elmer Adams sentenced Nanny Doss to life in prison. So Nanny managed to avoid the death penalty, which would have been death from the electric chair, because she was female. And the state didn't want to pursue that, or they didn't want to pursue the execution of a woman. And Nanny was never charged in any of the other murders, only Samuel Doss's. I wonder if it was because either lack of evidence or you're not going to prolong her sentence any. She looked like a grandmother. She already had a life sentence. She wasn't going to get the death penalty. I mean, if she would have gotten found guilty and gotten a death penalty in a different state, she would have had to wait to serve out her sentence here in Oklahoma first. So it was probably, honestly, don't waste the taxpayer's money. Although I could see why couldn't they just add it to it, like three life sentences now. I mean, she literally confessed to these murders. There are eight people she confessed to. Nanny Doss became known as the Giggling Granny because during interviews with both the police and the newspapermen or reporters, the newspaper reporters, whenever asked about killing her husband, she would start to giggle. Many found this very unnerving. It also made her – and then, well, okay, this is what's weird. So a lot of people were unnerved by it. But on the other hand, it made her seem like this sweet and innocent type, and maybe that's, like, what she was hoping for. By being this sweet, grandmotherly type, like, oh, how could I do this? You know what I mean? Yeah. Nanny said – okay, get this, all right? I can't even. I don't know. Nanny said she liked killing because of the head injury that she had received when she was seven, which we all know that probably definitely played a role. Was a factor, I'm sure. It changed her pathology, which changed or altered her mind because she hit her head at seven and had this traumatic head injury. Essentially, the reason is why she said – that's essentially the reason why she said she liked to kill people. Many assumed that Nanny killed her husbands for the insurance money, which, you know – Oh, yeah. It makes sense. Did the Doss guy, did he have a huge insurance payout? It didn't say. Okay. But Nanny Doss said that that wasn't the reason why she killed them. Okay? Oh, she actually gave us the reason? This is what – this blew my mind. So killing for money is easy to understand. Like, I'm not saying – it's easy to understand as a motive, right? Right, right, right. Now, I'm not saying that killing for money is right or people should go out and do that. If you're going to kill somebody, kill them for money. No, we're not saying that. No, I'm just saying as a motive, it's more easy to understand. Right, yes, yes, yes. You know, greed makes people do crazy things, stupid things, and people wanting more money, more fame, whatever. Like, it's – we can comprehend that. Nanny said that she killed her husbands because they didn't turn out to be her one true love. She was looking for, quote, Mr. Right, but they, her husbands, had problems. She picked them. I mean, you know what I mean? So instead of getting a divorce like she did with her first husband and anybody else, when she got sick of their, quote, quote, issues, as she called them, she killed them. So her husbands, if that's her excuse for her husbands, what's the excuse for the other family members that she killed? She didn't want to put up with them or take care of them, so she just killed them? Right. Did she see them as a burden? Like, what was her excuse for killing a 2-year-old child? Oh. He was crying and he missed his mom, he was homesick. Like – She had to pay attention to him. She couldn't be watching her shows or reading her – Right, it's like he read my mind. I was literally about to say that. No, no, no. Like, she couldn't read her romance magazines or, like, what is it? I don't get it. I just don't get it. Anyway. Well, you're not a serial killer, so. I'm not. Ten years after she pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison, on June 2, 1965, Nannie Doss dies of leukemia in the hospital ward of Oklahoma State Penitentiary. Kooky fact. When Nannie was interviewed about her life in the McAllister prison, Doss complained that the only job she was allowed there was in the laundry. Noting – This is the kicker. This is the kicker. Oh, gosh. Noting that her offer to work in the kitchen was politely declined. Politely. If I was in the ward, I'd be like, not no, but hey. No. Heck no. Heck no. Heck no. So, okay. So, for the people out there, Tiff and I actually watched, like, a three-minute, would you say, YouTube video? Oh, my gosh, you guys, yeah. It was like a little bit over three minutes, yeah. Of an interview that she did in 1957 from the prison. It is chilling. And hopefully we can maybe link it on our socials. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. But, like you said, just watching the interview, it gave us chills. It was – she was – she completely denied. Yeah, she flat out denied that she had anything to do. Because you said, why are you in here if they think I murdered my husband? You said you did. You said she did. And she completely denies poisoning them or any of her family members. All myths of her family. Yeah, like, oh, man. And she said she blames herself for being in prison because I watched it again later. Yeah. She blamed herself for being in prison because she didn't understand what she was getting herself into by pleading guilty is what she said. She didn't know. So, the whole thing is chilling because – Her eyes. Yes, you can tell she – Pay attention to her eyes. Yes, you can tell she's lying. She's got this shifty eye thing going on. Oh, my gosh. Every time she has an answer, first off, she can't even look at the guy interviewing her when she answers. It's just a shifty side eye the whole time. And I, like, I'm getting chills thinking about it. I know. I know. Me, too. But she also, throughout the entire thing, she has this, like, smug smirk thing on her face when she talks about her husband. She isn't remorseful at all. Uh-uh. At all. And another thing I wanted to mention was the picture that we found, or technically you found when you were looking it up last week, of her with her granddaughters and her oldest daughter during the trial. She's holding one of her granddaughters, and her other one is, like, snuggled up against her. Yeah, and her daughter is – The look on her daughter's face. The look on – whoa. Like, I hope that someone – you know, because I have children, and I hope that I never have that look on my face when someone is holding my – Right. One of my children or with both my children, because if I do, you better believe, if I'm looking at you like that, I'm coming after you. Well, and that's another thing, like, in that interview, yeah, she said she wanted to take care of her daughter's kids or something like that. Right. And I'm like, the one – the daughter that you previously murdered her other two children? Right. That daughter? What's interesting, too, because let's not forget about the newborn baby where she stuck a hat pin into their head. That's interesting, you know, she – Nanny – killed her two middle children. Right. Melvina's children, she killed those two middle children. What's up with these two middle – the middle kids? Well, I think – well, I think Robert was her oldest. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. But still, I mean – And her youngest daughter, who did live, she never touched any of her kids, right? Yeah, she's never touched any of her kids. And she's never touched any of her kids. 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I mean, not that it's an excuse, but they didn't suspect her originally. Right. So that's why they didn't do it. Right. And then there wasn't any... Because it's not like she was shy about them, quote, getting sick. Right. She was very, oh, they're sick. She's telling everybody, oh, my gosh, they've just been sick. They've been sick for days. For days. And, you know, she was telling people about it. So, yeah, why would they suspect her? Well, now, the one husband who was it, Frank... The last name is drawing a blank right now. But Frank, the drunk, who had a little bit too much to drink that one night and violated Nanny, I guess you could say, politely. And, you know, she put rat poison in his corn liquor and then blamed it on his drinking. That's why he died. And if he was a known drunk. You know, people are going to say, well, you know. I mean, because I think that's the one where the town, like, really stood behind her and was like, oh, Nanny, we support with whatever you need. And, you know. Right. It's just interesting. It's one of those that will never know the full extent of her crimes. Right. Or the full extent of her psych. But she would definitely be somebody interesting that if, you know, if I could go back, one of those things, if I could go back and, you know, get more information. Right. Like, just to get as much information from her as possible. But, wow, what a good story. I'm so glad. You know, she's definitely up there and, you know, one of the world's worst serial killers for sure. And I think the fact also that she, like, made herself so seemingly so innocent. That's what's scary. So creepy. That's very scary, too. I mean. And the giggling, that's what gets me. I can't, like, I don't, I think I would, with, like, the police on that, I think it would completely unnerve me. Right. I'd be like, why are you laughing? This isn't even, this isn't funny. Like, why are you laughing? No. It would be interesting if we were able to read some of the police reports that they took while they were trying to interview her. Or even if they recorded any of their conversations with her. I mean, just that three minutes. Oh, yeah. That we see on YouTube. Yeah. Is just chilling. But, I mean, did they record it? I mean, I don't know if they did during those times if they recorded those types of conversations. It would just be fascinating to hear it. Yeah. It would be. But, yeah, great story. That's what we have for Nanny Dog. Oh, my gosh. Great story. I hope that wrapped up nicely for everybody. Yeah. I think you, I think that did. I think you definitely did. I think this is one of the first ones where there wasn't, like, some kind of unsolved thing that I've done. Yeah. Mystery. She does do unsolved ones. I do, apparently. But, yeah. If you have a story you'd like for Jess and I to look into or tell, please, please reach out to us at CuriousCousinsOK at gmail.com. 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So, our second clue is it is a prison. Yes. All right. So excited. So, yeah. Jeff, tell them what to keep it. Keep it cookie and spooky. Bye. Bye.
