Ep 42 Nannie Doss pt1

Nanny Doss, also known as the Giggling Granny, had a difficult childhood with an abusive father and a controlling mother. She married young but divorced after two of their children died under mysterious circumstances. Nanny moved to Georgia and became fascinated with the Lonely Hearts columns, corresponding with men and eventually marrying a few of them. She would later be known as a serial killer, responsible for the deaths of her husbands, children, and mother. It's not a big deal, I promise. Hi, I'm Jess. And I'm Tiff. And we're your curious cousins. Where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma. Welcome to episode 42. Yes, welcome. How are you? I could be better. Loaded questions. I mean, health and mental, I'm great. Emotionally, I'm a little upset. Northeastern Oklahoma, we had quite the storm Saturday night. Yeah. We had winds clocking in at 100 miles per hour, straight line winds. Yeah. And most all of us at some point lost electricity, or many of us did. I know we lost electricity probably about 1145 or midnight. That day, or Saturday night, Sunday morning. Yeah. And then you pretty quickly afterwards. Yeah, we lost power, I think it was about 1230. Yeah. And we still don't have power, so we're still out of power. Jess is out three days later, so. Tiff has power. I got it after about, let's not talk about myself in the third person. I got it after, we were out for about 11 hours. Yeah. And so. Well, it was lucky Sunday. It was actually really nice out. So nice. I mean, my neighborhood literally looks like a tornado came through. Yeah. We were very fortunate that our house wasn't hit worse. Especially because you have a very old tree, very big tree in your backyard. Yeah, we do. And we did have a lot of big limbs fall. And our neighbor's tree in their backyard, half of it fell into our backyard. But they were nice enough to come over and help cut it and pile it into the backyard with everything else. But it could have been a lot worse. There are a lot of houses in our neighborhood that has really big trees fall on the roof. And we were lucky that we didn't have that. But we still don't have power, so. Right. And it's getting like hot, hot weather, so. Oh, yeah. So she's bunking up early. I am. We're having a sleepover. We are. I get up early and then go to work. I know. Lucky for me, though, too. Like from my house to my work, it's pretty much the same distance from my work to your house. Right. So that hasn't really affected me. That's good. Too much, so. Yeah. I mean, she's fed me and all the things, so. I know. I do what I can. I do what I can. I appreciate it. Hey. What is family for? Right. I'm just lucky I've got family near that could take me in. I'll tell everybody a family story, though. So I helped Jess clean out her refrigerator yesterday. And she acted like it was going to be like super gross. And I opened it. And it wasn't gross. Like she had gloves and a mask on. And I'm just sitting there like freehand. No mask. And I open it. It doesn't even. They literally had two things of leftovers that I had to clean out. Everything else was like in its package or in its jar. I don't remember. There was one thing you were throwing away or dumping out. And I was like. It was the smothered pork chops. That one. That was the grossest thing. That. And in their freezer, they had like, you know, biscuits. Yeah. And they were all squishy. Yeah. Let's not even talk about the bags of pickle juice my dad had had in the freezer that leaked out. Oh, yeah. Okay. That was kind of. That was more of like, oh, are you serious? Don't ask. It's a thing. Yeah. But other than that, it wasn't. It was not terrible by any means. It wasn't. No. Well, I just. I think for me, I can handle a lot of things. Rotten refrigerator food. It wasn't even rotten. Well, I think I built it up so much in my mind. So much of it was still cold. Yeah. And shout out to my brother, James, because Sunday he brought over a couple of ice chests and like these big, huge bags of ice. And so we were able to save some of our stuff from like the deep freeze. So thank you so much, James. You don't know how much that really helped. Now come get them out of my house. No, it's okay. I love you, Liam. They can stay here. It's fine. And Tiff was just a big help with helping me lug it to her house and storing it. Because my parents decided to go to Branson and leave me here with that to clean up. I did have to brown up five pounds of blue and gold sausage last night because I refused to let her throw that out. That stuff is expensive. And it's literally gold. It says so on the package. It's blue and gold. True. True. It sounds like a trumpet. It feels like one. Good thing we'll cut that out. Anyway, so that's all I have. You got any news? Oh, I did want to say that last week we covered the Masonic Boys home. Yes. That was actually a listener request. Oh, okay. I can't remember who requested, though. If you did. If you did, please shout out that it was you. I am so sorry that I forgot who it was. I wrote down. I have a list of my listener requests or the listener requests that you guys want us to cover, the stories you want us to cover. And we're trying to check them off one by one. We have another big listener request coming up in July. Yes, we do. But I didn't think at the beginning to write down who requested it. Now I write down who requests it. Yes. And so I apologize that I did not write your name down. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But if it was you, please say, like, hey, it was me. I requested it. Yeah, absolutely. We want to give you the credit for sure because it was a great story, I thought. It was a great story. So, yeah, other than that, I think I am good to go. It is a true crime. It is. It is. And it's just terrific. It sure is. So just tell us who you are covering. Okay. Well, I am covering Nanny Doss, also known as the Giggling Granny, the Lonely Hearts Killer, the Black Widow, and Lady Bluebeard. Lady Bluebeard? Yeah. She's known by all those. Oh, I didn't know that last one. All those names. So my sources are the Big Book of Serial Killers and Encyclopedia of Serial Killers. Yes, we have that book. It's by Jack Rosewood and Rebecca Lowe. Eerie Oklahoma by Heather Woodward. The World's Worst Criminals, an A-Z of Evil Men and Women by Charlotte Gregg. So we are going to just get right in. Dive right in. So background, a little bit of background. Okay. Nancy Hazel Doss was born on November 4th, 1905 in Blue Mountain in Hill Country. Let me start that over because I apparently can't read. Nancy Hazel Doss was born on November 4th, 1905 in Blue Mountain in the Hill Country of Northwest Alabama to the parents James and Louisa Hazel. Nancy, who was called Nanny, and who I will just kind of refer to her as Nanny throughout this whole thing. Okay. She was one of five children. She was said to have despised her father. Oh. One source said that her mother also hated James Hazel. So her husband, she hated him. Her mother was said to have a nasty streak and that she was controlling. Okay. James Hazel would make the children stay home from school so that they could work on the family farm. Okay. And she did have a tough childhood. Her father would work her and her siblings pretty much as if they were hired farm hands who didn't get paid, obviously. And he would beat them if they failed to keep up with his demanding piece of work. As a result of this, Nanny never really learned to read or write very well because they didn't go to school. Okay. I'm not even sure how she kind of even learned to read in the first place. Right. Because she does read a lot, you'll come to learn. But when Nanny was around seven years old, the family went on a train trip to visit some relatives. The train, while they were riding it, came to a very sudden stop, causing Nanny to hit her head on the metal bar of the seat in front of her. Oh, no. Yes. This accident resulted in her suffering from terrible headaches and even blackouts for many years after. And then she also struggled with bouts of depression. Even though she couldn't read very well, when she was a little older, Nanny liked to immerse herself in her mother's romantic magazine. Oh. By the time Nanny was a teenager, she dreamed of this fairytale love life with, you know, the perfect husband. Now, what her ideal of a perfect, quote, quote, husband was, you know, I'm using my fingers here, I have no idea what her ideal perfect husband was. Later in life, she enjoyed reading the Lonely Hearts columns. And that's kind of basically like, for those out there who don't know, it's kind of, you would write into, they would have advertisements in the newspapers, and you would write to people. Right, right. It was like a dating service. Oh, yeah. Before Tinder. Right. You would see Harmony or whatever. Personal ads. Yeah. Yeah, they were like personal ads. So, Nanny and her sister, they were heavily restricted by their father from dressing like other girls their age, and they weren't allowed to wear makeup. The girls also weren't allowed to attend dances, you know, and when you're a teenager. Oh, yeah. So, despite, or if not because, of her father's strictness, and all his efforts to protect the girls from the clutches of men, and, you know, Nanny became pretty willful, and they described her as a willful teenager, and she was said to be known as, for her promiscuity. Oh. Unfortunately. Well, if you say a teenager can't do something and forbid them from it, what are they going to do? Right, right. So, you hold on too tight. Anyway, unfortunately, both Nanny and her sister, Debbie, were molested on a number of occasions. Oh, my gosh. Nanny desperately wanted to get away from her abusive father and just the wear and tear of farm life, which is something we see or hear a lot in these types of cases. I'm thinking of Pretty Boy Floyd was the same way. Yeah. He wanted to get away from that farm life, and it's just, it's kind of in that same, this is kind of during that same era. Yeah, time period, yeah. Yep. So, in 1921, at 16 years old, Nanny married her coworker at the Linen Thread Company, which was just like, you know, a factory, and his name was Charlie Braggs. Look at his little tiny eyeballs. What? I just see these eyeballs, I'm like, what? What? Okay, let's go. We got to finish recording, and then I'll be out there with you. No, you're not going to sit in here. You can't be quiet. On this one, I'm not going to let you. The next time we do a ghost story, I'll let you sit in here, okay? But this isn't a ghost story. Come on. Thank you. Shut the door, please. Shut the door! Please. Thank you. Be careful, don't squash your fingers. Okay. Where was I? I don't know. Okay, I'll just, I think I was here. Because I was just sitting around with his face, and all of a sudden, I just see these. I didn't even see the door open. Well, normally, you do hear it. Yeah, I didn't even see the door open. I just see these, because I was like, and at first, I was like, maybe I didn't shoot the door all the way, but then I look, and his eyeballs are sitting right there. I know. I was like watching you, and I see your eyes get big, and I was like, do I want to turn around? I know. Okay. In 1921, at 16 years old, Nanny married her co-worker at the Linen Thread Factory named Charlie Braggs. Okay. 16? 16. Okay. I don't know how old he was at the time. The couple had only been dating for four months before her father gave his consent for them to marry. Oh, my gosh. Right? Oh, my gosh. The couple would have four children together, pretty much one right after the other, and they were all girls. Oh. Nanny was so desperate to escape her domineering father, which kind of caused her to jump into the relationship with Braggs, just to put her in the same situation with a domineering mother-in-law. Oh, no. She went from one bad situation right into another. Man, I'm going to tell everybody right now, we feel sorry for the child, not the adult. Yes. I feel sorry for Nanny as a child. Yes. Not as adult. Yes. Braggs' mother lived with a newly-wedded couple, and she was said to be- She lived with a newly-wedded couple? She did. Why would she even want to live with them? Who knows? She was said to be very temperamental, abusive, and very controlling, and when Charlie himself turned out to be a drunk and a womanizer- Oh, geez. ... he would sometimes just disappear for days, leaving Nanny to manage the household. This really stressed Nanny out. Right. Having four small children all kind of in the same- Oh, my gosh. She had kids, too. Yes. On top of that, you have probably these four small children, just one after the other. Yes. On top of that, you're managing this household, and you have this overbearing mother-in-law. Right. I can see how someone might just break. Yes. That's why they have a show called Snap Now. Yes. It's like, what could possibly go wrong? Right. Right. Nanny responded to this, him going out and womanizing and doing his thing. Oh, man. Her response to this was going out and going back to her wild ways as well. She would just go out and do the same thing. Well, two can play that game, I guess. Right. That's probably how she looked at it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It was clear that the marriage wasn't built to last, if there was any question. Well. The couple divorced in 1928, and Braggs took his oldest daughter, Melvina, with him. The two middle children had died under mysterious circumstances. Now, here's what's kooky. They were healthy, lively children. And then, all of a sudden, they became sick. And it was said they became sick from food poisoning and died quickly from food poisoning. Okay. Did people use – I mean, never mind. Yes, you can die from food poisoning. It's not common now, but I guess back then – I mean, salmonella is a type of food poisoning. True. And you can die from it. True. One source said that the two tragedies happened separately. Okay. Like, they didn't happen – both of them didn't get sick at the same time. It's not if they would both eat something the same day. Right. They both would. It happened on two different occasions. Oh, well, that is very suspicious. No one suspected foul play. Okay. Braggs left his wife with their only living child. I'm sorry. Let me re-say that. Okay. Braggs left his wife with their only other living child. Okay. An infant named Florine. So, she was just a baby. And so, he took the oldest, and he left the youngest with her. Probably because she was a baby, and she may have – did it say how old she was? No, it just called her an infant. She may have been nursing or something. So – Yeah. Braggs left with his older daughter. It was because he believed that Nanny had murdered their two children. And after leaving, he left his mother with Nanny. And so, she's still in the house with Nanny, who also – So, he was concerned enough to take his child, but not concerned enough to take his mother. Yeah. Well, guess what? What? Mother-in-law dies. Does she get food poisoning, too? Probably. Huh. Cookie fact. Okay. Braggs would later claim that he left Nanny because he was afraid of her, and because he was frightened of his wife and had made a point of not eating anything that she prepared. Okay. If that was true, then why didn't you take your infant child, too? Right. And your mother. Furthermore, it just kind of makes you wonder, other than the fact his two middle children dying, passing away, like, what else made his instincts kick in and think, like, I've got to get the heck out of Dodge. Right. You know what I mean? Like, what triggered him to be like, I'm not eating anything that she cooks for me? Yeah. It just makes you wonder. I'm not eating any of that. I'm going to take my child with me. Like, did she say something weird that was kind of off, and he was like, wait, what? Right. Did he just automatically suspect because the two children died of, quote, quote, food poisoning? Like, what was it? That's my question. I wish he would have elaborated more on, like, what were your feelings? What tipped you off to this? Right. Exactly. Yeah. So with her husband gone, Nanny took a job at a cotton mill to support herself and her remaining daughter, Florine. One source said that when Braggs left with his oldest daughter, Melina, he eventually returned her back to Nanny. So he took the oldest daughter back to Nanny, and then in 1928 they were soon divorced after. So it was like he left because he was afraid, and he took her with him, but then he took her back to her, and then they got divorced. It sounds like he was like, oh, I can't handle being a dad. I have some responsibilities. Maybe she wasn't trying to murder her children. And I don't know how old Melina was at that time either, so I mean. I mean, they got married, what, in 1921? It's 1928 at this time. She can't be older than seven. Right. That's true. That's very true. So the source also said that Nanny took both of her children with her to live in her mother's house. Going to her mother. Yes. Okay. Mother-in-law's dead. Right. Now they're divorced, going to live with her mother. Yes. Okay. Yes. And this is when Nanny became fascinated by the Lonely Hearts columns once again. Like, she got back into it, and she sent many letters in response to men's advertising. That was heartbreaking. I know. And a short while later, Nanny moved over the state line to Georgia. A year after, or wait, hang on. Sorry. I'm like. No, you're fine. Hang on. Pause a second. I need to look at this really fast. I've done that before. Sorry. It's like he's trying to get your attention. Feed me. I know. Feed me. I'm going to have to go feed him. Maybe he'll leave me alone. He's so needy. He does not want to pick up anything else. There it goes. He's trying to rearrange all the furniture, isn't he? He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. He's so needy. 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One source said that in the event of Arlie's death, the house would go to his sister. Oh. As stated in his will. Oh. However, since the house burned down, it was insured, which meant Nanny was listed as the sole recipient of the insurance payout. Oh. Soon after, when the check... Be suspicious. Right. Be suspicious. Right. Soon after, when the check cleared and Lanning's mother had died, let's throw in another mother-in-law, Nanny skedaddled her way out of North Carolina. Now, there is some conflicting information on what happens next. Some sources say that Nanny went to go visit her sister, Debbie, who we talked about earlier. Mm-hmm. They had said she was bedridden and died not long after Nanny arrived. Mm-hmm. Another source said that Debbie went to Nanny's house to visit and ended up with a mysterious affliction that caused her death. Not surprised there. Right. Whichever of these we take into account, the point ends up being Debbie ends up dying after visiting Nanny. That's all there is. In 1952, Nanny... Maybe she was just really bad at cooking chicken. I mean, if prunes was the only thing she knows how to cook. I'm lying. I know she's... But, yeah. In 1952, Nanny decided to sign up with a new dating service called, get this, the Diamond Circle Club. Sounds like a... The DCC. The Diamond Circle Club. Sounds like a credit card club. Right. Or like if you go to a certain resort so many times. Right. You visited Sandals 32 times, you're part of the Diamond Circle Club. Heck yeah. Through this agency is where Nanny meets what I believe is now will be her fourth husband, Richard Morton from Emporia, Kansas. They were married in 1953. Okay. Morton was a disappointment, but he wasn't an alcoholic. Oh. Cookily enough. He was a womanizer and a cheat though. Nanny didn't find out... They can't all be perfect. Right? Nanny didn't find out about the cheating for a while because she was a little bit distracted during this time. You don't say. I do. You might think he would become her next victim, you know, the poison. However, you would be wrong. In January of 1953, Nanny's mother Louisa came to live with her. Oh no. Her and Richard after breaking her hip. It's no surprise that her mother ends up falling ill with a chronic stomach pain and dies. Just three months after Nanny's mother died in 1953, her husband, Richard Morton, seems to have died the exact same way that her mother did, supposedly from poison. She was on a roll. Good night. Yet again, the doctors failed to ask or to do an autopsy. I've lost count now at this point. Yeah. And it's just like, it's just crazy to me. Like, she's literally leaving this trail of bodies. Yeah. So, Nanny's last husband was Samuel Doss from Tulsa, Oklahoma. Okay. This is where Oklahoma ties in. One source stated that while Nanny was married to Richard Morton, her fourth husband, she had continued corresponding with her lonely hearts column. Oh. And immediately after Morton's funeral, she went to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Oh. Nanny and Samuel were married in June of 1953. Okay. Samuel Doss was not a drinker. He wasn't abusive. He didn't cheat, and he wasn't a womanizer. One source said that he was actually a Nazarene minister, but another source described him as just being a clean, church-going man. Despite all of these great qualities that he had, unlike the husbands who came before him, Nanny's new husband, he still failed to meet her romantic ideals and her expectations. And it seems that his only fault was that he didn't like or approve of those romance magazines and novels that his new wife was so fond of, and he actually forbade her from reading anything or watching anything on the television that was not meant for educational purposes. Oh. So, a little over a year later, in September of 1954, Samuel ended up in the hospital, and the diagnosis was that he was suffering from an infection of the digestive tract. Okay. This was just after he had eaten one of Nanny's famous prune cakes, laced with poison that the poor man had ingested, not knowing he had ingested it. Right. Coogly enough, Samuel actually survived and was released from the hospital 23 days later and was sent home on October 5, 1954. Well, guess what? Oh, no. I don't know, but I want to know. What? He died that very same night after returning home from the hospital. That evening, Nanny served him a perfectly innocent pork roast, which Samuel washed down with a rather dangerous cup of coffee that she had laced with arsenic. Oh, my gosh. He died immediately. Oh, my gosh. All right. So, I'm actually going to leave it there. What? What? And next week, we'll get into how she was finally caught and what happened. Oh, my goodness. So, that was just her background and kind of her history of crime. Holy smokes. That's good. Is that not like... Ugh. Like, I have heard... I've listened to other podcasts that have covered Nanny Dog. Me, too. Yeah. And I guess, like, it's just kind of been a while since I had heard them that it... I forgot. I've forgotten. I've forgotten how crazy it actually was. I've forgotten how... Oh, my gosh. This story's nuts. It's nuts. It's just like... It's... I don't know if amazing is the right word. Like, it amazes me that she was able to get away with it for so long. Right. Right. Ugh. I mean, that's, like, over 20 years. Oh, yeah. No. Because she started in, like, what? 1928? Eight. Yeah. Or... No. Before that. Because the two girls. Right. Her own daughters. Did she... Oh, my gosh. I did read one source says that she had anywhere from eight to 11 victims. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But, like, as I was going through it, I didn't sit there and count. Yeah. Because she didn't... One is too many. She doesn't confess to all of them. Or she... I don't think so. Or did she? She confesses to some, but I don't think she confesses to all of them. Right. But that's probably something we'll get into next week. Okay. Perfect. But, anyway, that's part one. Part one of Nanny Dot. Oh, good. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. That's a good one. She's a good one. Gosh. And it is funny, because you just don't... Like, the whole beginning of it, you're like, how does this even tie into Oklahoma? Right. And you forget that her final victim... I forgot that her final husband was from Oklahoma. Right. I know. I was sitting here, like, thinking, oh, they're going to think, like, what does this have to do with Oklahoma? She's not even... Like, it's not even happening here. Yeah. But we got to our last victim. We're here. We're here. We made it, y'all. We made it there. All right. Well, if you have any show suggestions or questions or comments, please reach out to us at CuriousCousinsOKatGmail.com. You can also follow us on all of our social medias, at Curious Cousins Podcast OK... 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