Ep 34 Jake Hamon & Clara Smith Hamon

Jess and Tiff discuss the story of Jake Hammond and Claire Smith Hammond. Jake Hammond was a controversial figure involved in politics and business in Oklahoma. He had an affair with Claire, who was much younger than him, and went to great lengths to be with her, even paying his nephew to marry her so they could travel together. Hammond's wife eventually left him and moved to Chicago. Claire became an important figure in Hammond's life, advising him on business matters. Hammond also had a scheme to build a railroad but lacked the funding. hi I'm Jess and I'm Tiff and we're your curious cousins where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma welcome to episode 34 welcome how are you um we just ate and I'm like I'm a little miserable because your husband's way too good at cooking so I know it's Saturday night yep he's gotta pull out his pit master skills and I mean I only have myself to blame I know me too well do we have any business I don't think so I don't think so either I can't think of anything me there well this is a just terrific I know it's been a while since Jess has told us this story and I can't wait it has um fair warning it's a little long okay and but there's a lot of background that needs to be addressed for a partner yes okay a two-parter so my sources were the Oklahoma's most notorious cases volume 2 by Kent Freight Oklahoma Historical Society remember the ladies scandal leads to murder by Ed one error I mistyped that um Edwina Edwina I think it's how you say Edwina Edwina Edwina I know someone whose name is Edwina okay Edwina signer from the Muscogee Phoenix and I did look at Wikipedia referenced with some of theirs because they had some articles from the New York Times and all that fun stuff so this episode is about Jake Hammond senior and Claire Smith Hammond okay okay so I want to read you a quote I thought this was perfect okay this was in the in the most notorious cases book it said heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned nor hell of fury like a woman scorned who I mean I've heard that from William Congreve the Morning Bride 1697 I was gonna say I've heard part of that yeah I mean I've always heard a hell hell has no fury like a woman scorned I've always heard that but I never hadn't really ever heard the first part of it before so ready to just jump right in absolutely okay so a little bit of background on Jake Hammond okay Jake Hammond he was described as an attorney an entrepreneur oilman railroad developer and a controversial politician so one source even called him Jake the snake just to give you a little tidbit of what you're gonna get so Jake Hammond was born on June 5th 1873 in Granola Elk County Kansas he grew up in a series of small towns in southern Kansas and one of those was Sudan and this was where his father was actually the town marshal one source said that they didn't really mention much of his mother okay I don't really know anything about her but one source said that when Jake was a young boy he actually left home and just so that he could join the circus but yeah the circus so but he very quickly returned home so I'm not sure how old he was and I don't know how accurate that actually is but it was kind of fun you know like anyway in 1898 Hammond graduated from the University of Kansas School of Law in Lawrence and that same year he also married Georgia Perkins and he said he briefly operated a country store in Cherryvale Kansas before moving to Newkirk and that was at that time that was in what is or what was Oklahoma Territory okay so the Hammonds relocated to Lawton Oklahoma in 1901 and that's kind of when Jake took up politics now I have some conflicting information okay between a couple of my sources and one source said that by the time Hammond the Hammonds had moved to Oklahoma Territory they already had two children okay and the other source said that their son Jake Hammond jr. was born in 1901 and that their dollar dollar and that their daughter Olive Bell was born in 1909 so Hammond was elected as Lawton's first city attorney however just two years later Hammond found himself in a little bit of hot water he was accused of using his office to extort protection money from gamblers and when it came time for reelection he was defeated and he was defeated and when it came out that his let me just reread that so when it came time for reelection he was defeated okay and the reason was when it came out that his off hours were used for he spent his time boozing it up and gambling and womanizing keep that the last one in particular in the in the front of your mind so kooky enough even though he lost the reelection for city attorney Hammond was later elected mayor of Lawton I don't know how that worked out okay okay interesting yep so of course being in local politics it wasn't enough yeah he then started kind of making his way into the Republican Party politics and he very quickly was elected to the Territorial Committee of the Grand Old Party the GOP and he did this by becoming chairman okay one source said that after being elected chairman of the Republican Territory Committee he continued to maintain his law practice in Lawton but his real endgame was making as much money as quickly as he could and whether he gained it legally or whether he got it illegally well talking about him on this podcast if he was doing it the legal way that's true he began cultivating relationships with not only Oklahoma Oklahoma politicians on a state level but on a national level as well so this included politicians such as Oklahoma's first governor Charles Haskell which had his own scandal that we might cover one day and US Senator Thomas P Gore kooky fact Thomas Gore was actually blind and he was actually a resident of Lawton and Hammond and Gore were friends and in some cases they were also business associates okay Hammond supported Gore even though Gore was a Democrat well but but lost his name John Hammond yes he was Republican so I guess it was I don't know if it was weird or not I don't know you know I would probably venture to say it probably wasn't and I mean I wouldn't think not like it would be did not like today today you know it's like unheard of but in those days yeah I mean even 30 years ago it wasn't unheard of you know it's just I swear in the last 10 years where it's become a issue to where you can't be friends with somebody of a different party yep in 1909 governor Haskell was indicted by a federal grand jury for fraud involving the sale of city lands in Muskogee Oklahoma Hammond actually went to Washington DC to lobby Congress to intervene in Haskell's on on behalf I'm gonna read that thing again okay okay so in 1909 governor Haskell was actually indicted by a federal grand jury for fraud involving the sale of city lands in Muskogee Oklahoma yes Hammond went to Washington DC to lobby Congress to intervene on Haskell's behalf I don't know if it worked or not at least in this what I was researching of honestly didn't look too far into that one but knows that he went there to lobby for him so in 1910 Hammond was actually accused of bribing senator Thomas Gore offering 25,000 to $50,000 to support JM McMurray's land contracts with the Choctaw and the Choctaw so in 1910 Hammond was actually accused of bribing senator Thomas Gore offering 25,000 to $50,000 to support JM McMurray's land contracts with the Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations so today that amount of money would equate to seven hundred and ninety four thousand three hundred and five dollars to one million five hundred and eighty eight thousand six hundred and eleven so now does he just have that kind of money on him well bank or I you know at this point in time I don't know if he was doing really well with his law office or or what but he's not he was an oilman so not yet okay okay not yet well we'll kind of get in more into his money but you know he always wanted to make a quick buck so okay so anyway now this land contracts thing I just mentioned let me explain a little bit about what it was so McAllister lawyer JM McMurray had signed contracts with the Choctaw and the Chickasaw Nations and that included an unheard-of twist a 10% attorney's fee on proceeds from a land slash mineral cell so many people in Congress opposed the attorney's fee and that the contract many people in Congress opposed the attorney fees in the contracts and actually sought to block the sale senator Gore was one of these people in opposition some people believed that Gore and the others in opposition failed to appreciate the enormity of what was at stake so the tribes were selling 400,000 acres of coal and asphalt rights valued at 30 million to 140 million in 1910 dollars and 2023 dollars that would be nine hundred and fifty three million one hundred and six thousand three hundred and sixteen dollars to four billion four hundred and forty million one hundred and nine thousand four hundred and seventy four dollars and they were selling these rights to a New York consortium of investors now I didn't know what a consortium was but I had to look it up a consortium is just an association typically made of made up of just several different companies okay this is important because that mere 10% attorney's fee it would have been worth millions back then and would have opened up the door to the promise of high paying attorney fees for future big money contracts so like it was a big deal yeah yeah this was right up Hammond's alley because like I said before and he liked to make a fast he likes to make fast money he wanted that quick buck his approach to this was simple you bribe those in opposition so when right so when senator Gore came forward about being bribed this of course oh okay you're multitasking so when senator Gore came forward about being bribed this of course made front page headlines all across the nation and actually led the House of Representatives to appoint a committee to investigate these charges the committee actually convened in Muskogee Oklahoma and they also held hearings in the Callister yeah so the outcome of the committee's hearings it was basically senator Gore named Jake Hammond as the one that issued him the bribe Hammond of course denied those allegations okay of course a lot of name-dropping went on for people who were interested in these contracts like you know it's like oh you're gonna blame me and we'll let me out this person yeah I would imagine just like a domino effect oh yeah oh yeah Hammond actually admitted that he senator Gore and others had conspired to bid on tribal lands being sold at government auction as a way to keep the price down and to buy lands cheaply he also denied knowing anything about a federal statute prohibiting such a conspiracy so he acted like he just had no clue that this was breaking the law after some time the committee came up with a report and recommendation denying the approval of the McMurray contracts when it came down to it the committee members ended up believing senator Gore over Hammond but they didn't find any evidence that Hammond had acted as a liaison for McMurray which is interesting considering that Hammond and McMurray shared a suite at the Washington DC hotel during these proceedings so the men that Hammond tried to implicate by name-dropping they were all exonerated and Hammond however was discredited yeah but was still able to escape any kind of punishment he had no real legal fees or or I'm sorry he had no real legal troubles or fines like nothing almost kind of like a slap on the wrist and so after all that he was about 38 years old at this time and he was only 38 only 38 and he went back to Oklahoma okay he was young yeah yeah okay so enters Clara Smith in 1911 or 1912 the date is unclear Jake Hammond met Clara Smith at a Lawton store once I said she was working as like a store clerk and when he met her so just keep in mind at this time he was 40 years old okay she was only 16 years old that's a quite the difference so one source said that it wasn't much of a surprise that he took an interest in Clara given that his history for his womanizing ways you know he was known for having affairs mm-hmm Hammond was apparently just captivated by Clara's blue she's 16 she's a young lady she's off-limits sir yes but she but he was captivated by her blue eyes and her brown hair and she was pretty I saw a picture she was very pretty however she was 16 so pretty soon after their first meeting Hammond began a love affair with Clara so one source called Clara and ambitious social climber who was eager to get out of the small town of Oklahoma we're gonna blame her right my question is what do you call a 40 year old man who was already married with children by the way showing interest in a 16 year old girl mm-hmm so if we're gonna take that route furthermore you know maybe she was a social climber maybe she wasn't we don't know and because I'm sure they didn't bother to interview her to get to know her any right I mean I I can see where they might think she was just because she was 16 when she met Hammond right he was 40 that's a 24 age guest yes for sure plus look at it this way you have this young girl who might feel stuck in this small town and this older gentleman who some might consider good-looking who comes in he's rich handsome he comes along and starts showering yeah he's worldly you know all over he starts showing her with gifts and with compliments and attention I mean I don't know what her home life situation was like I don't know if she had like nine siblings and you know I don't know yeah but if you know he's also probably making her all sorts of promises and all sorts of things you know to get what he wants yeah I mean I don't know but I probably naive yes gullible I mean yes and you know at that age of 16 we all just all we want our that for our fairy tale to come true right and so I mean she probably had big ideas for herself and we just don't know right so whether she was or she wasn't and that she was that's not a big deal okay if there was don't go go for a girl I mean the fact is he shouldn't have been sniffing around anyway cuz he's 40 and she's 16 but he's already married he is already currently married with children like he is married but he's oh no yeah okay yeah and we're gonna write about her yep yep so Hammond and Clara are in this love affair right Hammond ends up sending Clara to a business school and looks Lexington Kansas where she displayed an attitude for business she was very intelligent very smart Hammond also sent her to a finishing school where she could learn how to quote behave appropriately and comfortably while dealing with important people end quote and according to one source after she finishes with all the schooling that he sent her to he then hires Clara as his personal assistant while they're having this love affair and I think it's because he won needed to have his cake and eat it too yes and to probably couldn't stand the fact that she was an intelligent bright woman it could potentially probably land any number of great guys yeah out there who were single and closer to her right well I think it's safe to say that Jake Hammond wasn't the most reputable guy basically he was a Richard Noggin if you get with my meaning and had no honor I'm gonna leave that in no not though you knew what was coming but look you laughing should I not ascend again my meeting was that okay yeah okay he had no honor obviously and with that being said it's easy to have a dislike for the guy but it's about to get so much I did I peed a little so as if you know it's about to get worse so as if everything wasn't already bad enough right okay this is just disgusting to me Hammond paid his nephew Walter Hammond $10,000 today that would be roughly $311,171 to marry Clara what then had him disappear to California while Clara stayed in Oklahoma why would he do that you ask let me tell you he paid his nephew $10,000 to marry Clara so that she would now be legally known as Clara Hammond this allowed Hammond to travel the country with the young beauty on his arm with under the charade that they were husband and wife obviously his nephew took the deal the bride whatever you want to call it oh he he did Wow so Hammond's wife Georgia she might have turned a blind eye to all of his affairs that he had before with before Clara however hang on no I let me read that I didn't read that right Hammond's wife Georgia might have turned a blind eye to his affair with Clara like she had on so many of her husband's previous antics and dalliances that he had but because Jake Hammond was so blatant and pretty much showcasing this affair that he was having with Clara she just couldn't ignore it this had to feel like such a slap in the face I would think because with how indiscreet her husband was with the affair and also you know it was with such a younger woman I can't even imagine how that must have felt you know like right I don't know you know how could she even ignore all the attention and all the money that he was so lavishly bestowing on Clara right and like ignore it she couldn't like it was so in your face so this so this affair between Jake and Clara it was basically the straw that broke the camel's back for Georgia and she was just fed up and she had enough so this was kind of petty and I kind of love it and I don't blame her for doing this but she refused to give her husband a divorce but she did agree to move to Chicago with their two children on the stipulation that he had to pay her $1,000 a month and she would just leave and today that's about $31,000 a month that she would have gone and that's what she did she got my house and moved to Chicago Jake and Clara they pretty much just continue to live life like they usually were like as you know disappointing that Clara but she was probably I mean I'm gonna she was probably groomed to believe that this was okay because she was 16 when he started lavishing this attention on to her mm-hmm but it's disappointing the same time to think that like you knew that he was married you there's no way that she didn't know and you were okay like you literally were okay with marrying his nephew yeah just so that you could have this pretense of being married to John right and then essentially Jake Jake Jake sorry you're about to find out actually but like she had to uproot this whole family like his wife and they move I mean granted it sounds like the wife did it pretty willingly because well she was getting quite the cut right well I mean you know you have to think back in that time you know divorce was still considered taboo right right and you know it would have been humiliating and so to have this affair thrown in your face all day every day and he was probably spoiling Clara what was he doing for his wife right probably not hiding it it sounds like he wasn't hiding it what yeah and I can't even imagine how the children must have felt or thought I probably would want to get them out of that so they wouldn't have to see that first-hand themselves yeah so it was just like a terrible situation all the way around right not that I'm you know it's just crazy it's just crazy but yeah Jake and Clara just continued to live life as usual Hammond actually moved Clara to Ardmore in 1912 where they took up residence into luxurious adjoining rooms at the Randall Hotel now they weren't just lovers Clara became a really important person in Hammond's life she was his confidant and his advisor she advised him because remember she was super intelligent and she had a head for business so I think I mentioned that earlier but this is interesting because when they first met Hammond maintained this appearance of wealth and when all in all reality he was struggling financially and Clara actually had a hand in turning his finances around because of this he showered her with furs with tens of thousands of dollars worth of jewelry and you know and all the benefits that came with this having this lavish lifestyle and in 1912 Hammond he was still practicing law too okay but again he was always looking for you know that fast buck and he came up with a new scheme he decided that he wanted to build a railroad from Ardmore to Lawton okay there wasn't one already no oh and the only problem with this he didn't have the capital to fund this endeavor had he ever I I don't believe so no I don't think so so being a little hustler that he was Hammond went to the 1912 Republican National Convention in New York City looking for investors guess who he managed to wrangle a meeting with in New York City Theodore Roosevelt John Ringling the famous circus owner oh we've come full-circus he ran away to join when I wonder if it was Ringling yeah Hammond was able to convince Ringling that the railroad was a sound investment and Ringling did end up backing this endeavor so the Oklahoma New Mexico and Pacific Railway Company was chartered in January of 1913 kooky fact okay the ONMP was reported to be the only privately owned railroad in the United States not financed by debt or the sell of bonds so I mean I guess that's kind of cool I guess your face I know having secured the financing Hammond began to buy up all of the they called it the right-of-ways for the railroad route one source said that he used hardball tactics which basically he was a bully and he would force towns that were along the route to come up with the money if they wanted the train to stop in their town it also said that in some cases if he was unhappy with the town's payment he moved the line of the route and in one case he actually started a new town like I said Richard Noggin Wow Wow right so once finished the ONMP railroad became an instant financial jackpot construction of the line began in August of 1913 six days later the first well in the Heddleton I think that's how you say held Hilton Hilton oil filled which was 28 miles west of Ardmore was completed and a local oil boom began whoops this land or I'm sorry that's not right this had him in rushing to finish the railroad line and I'm not really going to go into too much detail about that but Hammond did make a lot of money from this railroad and from the Heddleton oil so I guess that's where the oilman part comes in because I think the the oil field used his railroad to transport all the things back and forth yep so the the crazy so the crazy thing is it hadn't eaten hadn't eaten okay the crazy thing is it hadn't even been 10 years since Hammond's tribal land scandal that we talked about yeah before that fiasco and he was now reportedly the richest man in Oklahoma Wow fast forward to 1919 Hammond decided that he needed to get himself elected as Republican National Committee as a Republican National Committee member from Oklahoma this election turned more and more better though the longer it went on his opponents questioned his honesty his morality which is understandable considering his past shenanigans his opponents also began to undermine his public credibility and his reputation even claiming that he wasn't even a resident of the state so they weren't happy with him and despite the heated election and everything his opponents tried he still won and was off to Chicago as a delegate to the 1920 Republican National Convention Wow right let's give the man more power yeah ultimately Hammond's goal was that he wanted to be able to choose the next US Secretary of the Interior and this was so that he could gain influence over the vast government oil reserves one was that teapot dome in Wyoming the other was in Elk Hills in California both of these were under the control of the US Department of the Interior Hammond's new scheme it required him to control a significant block of votes at the GOP convention and to do this he had a simple plan he would buy delegates votes he ended up borrowing 1 million dollars from the National City Bank of New York just so that he could bribe or buy abide I buy to buy these votes and now he just needed to find the right candidate who would you know go along with this scheme of his two months before the convention Hammond had gone to Washington DC and he met a Mr. Harry M Daughtry Daughtry was a shrewd and ruthless political agent and just so happened to be the campaign manager for the US Senator Warren G Harding of Ohio now your president mm-hmm now Daughtry according to one source seemed that he was a lot like Jake Hammond so they got along pretty well and he had a reputation for bribery and shakedowns so it was also during this time when Hammond was in Washington or Washington DC that he met presidential candidate Warren G Harding at this meeting guess what Hammond learned that Florence Harding was a second cousin to his estranged wife Georgia they are related you've got to be kidding no right so any thought Jake Hammond had of divorcing Georgia flew out the window he was probably mad and deeply in love with her oh you know he probably was and but here's the here's the cake he wasn't quite ready to cut ties with Clara either so one source said that he didn't really seem to be too concerned with this information and by June 1920 Hammond had impressed Daughtry by telling him that he could control Oklahoma's 18 member delegation and another 30 votes that he could swing enough campaign money and votes to Harding to give him the nomination of course he would do this for the right price you know the right author as I said before Hammond I don't know if he wanted to be the Secretary of the Interior if he wasn't the Secretary of the Interior he wanted to have a hand and who was yeah so you know this was also he could capitalize on the oil supply at Teapotville Wyoming and after Harding ended up winning the general election in November of 1920 it was said that he did end up offering the post of Secretary of Interior to Hammond okay so with this new position Hammond decided that he was going to have to take care of some personal matters before he could cash in on Harding's victory so because because his estranged wife Georgia was the soon-to-be first lady's cousin there was absolutely no way that he would be able to continue his relationship with Clara right a couple of my sources had said that Harding had insisted that Hammond bring his legitimate family and I'm doing air quotes legitimate family to Washington DC and that he should leave Clara in Ardmore Hammond of course thought he could just throw money at Clara and it would fix everything you know it wouldn't be like oh I'm breaking up with you but here you go I'm ditching you because right I have higher plans Hammond promised Clara an unknown sum of money with the understanding this is what gets me he promised her an unknown sum of money and also that she could keep all of her expensive gifts that he gave her no kidding you gave them to me they're mine exactly um of course he's going to keep them they were get right the audacity of this man I like drip my tea so it seemed that Clara had taken this breakup fairly well like it didn't seem like she was too upset or out of bent out of shape about it she even signed a release of all claims against Hammond and agreed to move out of town before the return of his wife and children I don't I don't even know if they had any contact she might have seemed to be taking this breakup well but she had to be spitting mad oh for sure and she probably felt used has probably she only ever been with him he was in in dire financial straits and she literally she earned his finances around right hello during this time she took herself on a little shopping trip to Oklahoma City where she purchased a 25 caliber pistol mm-hmm okay okay okay sure things have turned quite a bit now November 21st 1920 okay Clara with her backpack had written in her diary that she was ready to leave Hammond and she was going to head for California and for a fresh start okay I have conflicting information once again on what exactly happened one source said that Hammond spent most of his day at his office and then yeah he was in Ardmore okay okay so he spent most of his day at his office and he was meeting with an Oklahoma insurance man by the name of Kelly M Roach and a retired Oklahoma City Police Chief WB Nichols the three men were preparing to go on a trip in Texas later in the week and they had just kind of been discussing like politics and business and until about six o'clock that he talks yep and then around and then around six o'clock that evening Hammond actually excused himself saying that he had to meet up with an had to meet up with an acquaintance so the three men then decided that they would meet for dinner later that evening I believe it was supposed to be I don't know what time it was that they were going to meet but they were just going to meet later for dinner however Hammond never made it down to dinner oh so at about 830 that night he staggered down the stairs of the Randall Hotel bleeding from a gunshot wound to the stomach mm-hmm so he walked the two blocks to the Hardy sanitarium where dr. Hardy examined him and found that the bullet had entered Hammond's abdomen penetrated the right lobe of his liver and lodged an inch from his spine oops uh-huh dr. Hardy sedated Hammond okay removed the bullet and confined him to the hospital room okay allegedly Hardy then notified Roach and Nichols that Hammond was resting and that he that the shot wasn't fatal okay other sources said that Hammond was having a private dinner with his associates when Clara came down the stairs completely drunk and where they reportedly her and Hammond had an argument before Jake told her to go back to the room or he was going to call the police and have them arrest her for disorderly conduct and so it said that Clara was actually then escorted to her room by one of Hammond's associates and where she apparently laid down and ended up falling asleep okay so a little later Hammond decided that he wanted to go up to Clara's room and try to soothe and comfort her and his associate warned him that he said quote she thinks you're giving her the brush off if you go up there now you will come down on a death wagon so later that evening Hammond came down alone reeling and then collapsed when he reached the dining room as luck would have it there was a surgeon that was actually eating his dinner there at the time at the hotel restaurant when he collapsed he was immediately taken to the nearby Ardmore sanitarium and hospital when they realized that Hammond had been shot in the stomach so whichever version is correct Hammond was shot in the stomach okay he had surgery where he was expected to have a full recovery okay he told the doctor now this is in both stories too he told the doctor and the authorities that he had shot himself by accident and one said that when he had gone up to his room he was clean he decided to clean his gun and it accidentally went off and that's how he shot himself so for several days his condition seemed to improve they actually called Georgia Hammond to let her know what had happened and she was actually making her way from Chicago down to Ardmore to to be with her husband and by November 25th 1920 Hammond's condition took a turn for the worse and instead of getting better he just seemed to be getting worse and worse and worse so Georgia Hammond made it to her husband's side just in time to like hold his hand to be at his side I mean like both versions said like she literally just made it there and on November 26 1920 Jay Hammond succumbed to his injuries and died so the cause of his death was acute dilation of the stomach which caused acute dilation of the heart oh so what happened to Clara we'll talk about that next episode oh no no no no no you had me you had me yeah I know that was a lot of background information but I just kind of wanted to give everybody an idea of who he seemed to be mm-hmm because right I mean not that I think anybody deserves to be murdered you know what I mean but like he was not an upstanding guy he his moral compass was way skewed and he just kind of he he was not a nice person no at all wasn't a good person no but so next week you'll get thank you Wow anyway well I was worried I just staring at you going I was well I was so worried that like because of all the information that I was gonna be like this is gonna be so boring like they're gonna think what's the point of this all of this information well it's just well you know what a stand-up guy Richard noggin such a Richard noggin you have any questions comments concerns show recommendations or listener tales you can always reach us on our social at curious cousins at gmail.com you'll find us on instagram at curious cousins okay you can find us on facebook at curious cousins okay podcast and on twitter curious cousins okay make sure you spell cousin see Z and F and we are still looking for artwork yes they're looking for artwork if that is your cup of tea mm-hmm reach out please do please do we will give you all the credit yeah for sure you can also find us on patreon at curious cousins okay podcast and we only have one tier it's five dollars we've got some neat shows coming up and bloopers and remember our shows won't just be our patreon shows won't just be Oklahoma based they were actually be worldly national or something so we look forward to seeing you guys hang out over there mm-hmm as always we would love to have you rank and review our podcast on Apple or Stitcher or Spotify or iHeartRadio or Google or Amazon whatever you listen to podcasts and I'm sure that we look we are listed on all major podcasting streaming platforms though just look for us there mm-hmm and if you need to hear the end of this story like I do come for part two come for part two which will be next week and just tell them what to keep it keep it cookie and spooky bye