N8WUNZ 20230125 (W) The Power of Strike outs and Freedom of Speech

The speaker discusses various cases involving legal disputes and strikes out. They mention the importance of having a legal hook in a case and the need to understand the relevant statutes. They also talk about instances where businesses were unfairly harassed and suggest that affected parties consider filing for a strikeout. The speaker shares examples of cases involving doctors and farmers and emphasizes the importance of knowing one's rights and fighting against injustice. And I'll do Facebook as well. Then that's all organised. And thanks for coming along tonight everyone. And we're very interested in what Liz is going to talk about tonight. I don't have really much idea. I did a quick Google to see what that was. What a strikeout is. Yeah. So yeah. Interested to hear about this. Well it's interesting in the sense I think that it says to the lawyers for the other side you've got it all wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Good evening everyone. Welcome along Facebook people or if you're watching the recording. Another interesting number of great chat tonight with Liz and the crew talking about, yeah, strikeouts and what they are. So take it away Liz. Yeah. Well I don't think that strikeouts basically it's saying to the other side you've got it wrong. This is sometimes it's used for delays. It's sometimes what they call latches. It's like you've waited years and years and now this person's in a situation that it can't be fixed or whatever or they've run out of money or the companies. Yeah. So sometimes. But it's usually the other side who's caused the delay. Yeah. Trying to get it ended while they have a chance. Yeah. Yeah. So basically what is the case I've been working on. I can't give any names or anything. We haven't even got before the I've just been completing the application today. But as is my usual method I read the statute or I read the order or I read the piece of legislation or the regulation. Right. And I think there's going to be a whole lot more. The one today was about freedom of speech actually. Awesome. We need that. And we're an employee. It's not under. It's under it's under some of the medical acts. Let's say that. Where permission to discipline. OK. So but but the law as I keep always telling people it's there to protect you. Right. It's there to protect you. It is it's written for for us so that we don't we can we can fight off the wrongdoers basically. Civil. I'm talking about in the civil arena. Right. When the when it's a actually a criminal matter the police are there. Right. To prosecute. A lot of the and in this case the strikeout is being exercised by the person who was being the the the the the applicant in this case. Right now Erica had it exercised against her in the other way. Now remember we talked about Erica's case that we haven't we haven't heard back from the judge yet. But that was sort of where we we we sharpened our nails a little on Erica's case about how to you know what are the principles behind strikeout. Because you always got to remember that that English common law is adversarial. This whole thing about you know not so much doing deals beforehand that still has a place in the in the whole scheme of things because you know we've been we've been cutting a lot of deals now getting a lot of settlements now. They're coming thick and fast. But in terms of in terms of the the authority or the court or the tribunal in this case the we want to have it out in the open where people can see the fight going on because this is how people get educated in their rights. So the case is that the person wrote something on her Facebook page okay her page her private page. We've got a we've got a we've got two two cases going in parallel on this. So one is an employment law case and the other one is a is a case where a charge is being brought against this person and they get heard before a tribunal. Right now I think you can you can we could talk about say let's talk about Mr Skelton's case. Skelton sorry not Skelton. Skelton Dr Skelton's case. Let's let's say this about Dr Skelton. He gets pulled up before the tribunal and remember they took their their licenses off them? That's Sheldon wasn't it Matt? Sheldon is it Sheldon or Sheldon? It's Sheldon. Sheldon. Get it right. Anyway we know who you mean. Anyway we know who you mean. I know who I mean. I don't know. Okay so Mr Sheldon is it? Dr Sheldon and there was another doctor too. So they go up before the tribunal and they get their licenses taken away. So they appealed it to the district court and remember it was a written thing again. It was a it was a kind of a freedom of speech thing right except his wasn't his wasn't writing on Facebook. Sheldon. Sheldon. We've got it. It's a bit of a mix of everybody's. We got there eventually. Thank you. We got it. We got it. Thanks. So in his case the him and the other doctor they lost it. They lost the case and so they had their licenses removed and all were suspended. I can't remember which it was but anyway they couldn't work. So they took it. So their lawyer took it to the district court and the district court said this was too big a thing to take somebody's license away. To take somebody's means of making a living away. Now that's pretty familiar to all of us isn't it? We're usually on the other side though suing. We're usually suing. Basically the tribunal took their licenses off them. They were they were prosecuted so they were sort of on the on the opposite side but when they went to the district court then they sued to get it get them back and they got them back. So we've got a situation of freedom of speech. People talking about you know what on the Facebook page which you know is supposed to you're not supposed to be able to get into it but what the people in this industry are banging on about if you like is what would you call it? That this person, this worker has brought the profession into disrepute. What happened was I started to look at the disciplinary rules in the Act and the disciplinary rules say that complaints about basically it all comes from a harm basis. You know we've been told I think you know people are getting quite familiar with this idea that you have to be able to point to the harm that that you've suffered. If you want to sue somebody you have to point to the harm. Now in this case and Jeff knows about this Act quite well because this is where you get treated badly by a health body and you know some sort of DHB or the doctor's surgery or whatever. You can make a complaint to the Health and Disability Commissioner under that Act. That is very important because that establishes then the investigation goes together and sometimes they'll say oh no it's not bad enough but sometimes it will then go to what's called the Professional Conduct Committee and they can actually do quite a lot. They can do quite a lot. But while that's going on they can't do anything until the investigation by the Disability Commissioner is finished. So you get all of you know you've got a whole you've got a kind of a two you've got a public watchdog on the Disability Commissioner then you've got the private, the semi-private but it's also under the Act of a say a so each of the Conduct Committees, Professional Conduct Committees, they have advisors on their speciality. So if it's a say a doctor's in trouble then they'll have doctors. If it is part of the team that's looking at the case if their physiotherapist is the same, if their midwife's the same etc etc. So that's the thing. The other thing the other way that you can get into trouble and lose your license etc is if you have a criminal proceeding that's going on. Okay so there's these two things either or you can be in trouble and but they come in the they don't come through the DHB let's say as was this case. What happened was the DHB complained to the to that to the what would you call the to the speciality that this person is in. They have it they have their own Professional Conduct Committee. They complained but they can only complain if there's already been a there's either one or the other in place. Okay because when we're talking about because basically it has to be a complaint of the health consumer. Okay yeah yeah. So if somebody's if somebody's let's say let's go for the criminal one. Let's say there was a sexual assault. Somebody complained that that the person the professional who's been seeing them has assaulted them in some way. That would and and was an ongoing that would be a matter for the police and the that would be one one area that the the employer or if you like could get in on the act. The other way is if say like Jeff has brought to our attention all of these places that you went to that not all of them but you know the places he went to they seem to get real bad bad time and they said you know you know sit in the car park and and and we'll come out to you or something. When we've paid we've already paid for all of this these doctors surgeries and god knows what and we we continue to pay in our taxes. A lot of money big boat goes to the of money goes to the health industry. Yeah so so the other that that's the other way. So there's a complaint by what's called a health consumer. Okay so so what I did with the with the strike out in this case was to say simply this is the way you read the act. You can't make a complaint about because you feel that to to this particular body because you think that your industry is being brought into disrepute. Okay not not you can't you can't do that unless some what you've got a you've got some sort of health consumer. Now looking at the number of cases that they have it seems like this sort of stuff goes on quite a lot. When they make the employer makes complaints and tries to get licenses pulled. So this might be in a very we don't know how it'll go but I think it's a strong enough case to say this is it this is a strikeout matter because logically one of the criteria for getting a strikeout is that the cause of action cannot possibly succeed. Right because and what I'm saying about this case is there is actually no cause of action. Always when you start a case you must have what's called a legal hook. You must be able to point to some section in an act somehow you know this usually happens sometimes you can suffer harm and you can't find any act that'll cover it and then you haven't got a cause of action all you've got is a is a is an irritation or a pain or an injustice but usually there is something in the law that will assist you. Yeah? Yeah. Okay so what we're doing when we're starting our PG's we're looking for the legal hook and that's what things like you know we there's a breach there's a breach of the Human Rights Act there's a breach of the ERA there's a breach of the Health and Safety at Work Act and then you have to be you have to actually weave it into the circumstance then you have to put the facts and the law together but what you're looking for is a hook. Now why I'm kind of interested in on I don't know what they're going to do actually because there's been a whole lot of cases where people have lost licenses and there is no cause of action in the because sometimes they say oh you know they've offended this act and when they say this act they're talking about the act that the tribunal is constituted under but there is nothing for example in that act saying that that hospitals can or whatever can sue that there's anything whereby nobody is allowed to nobody is allowed to breach their employment contracts for a start. Yeah yeah or disagree or disagree or say the word yeah yeah yeah I mean are we going to still we we still got this other case that's side by side because what happened I mean it was a case of absolute spite. They already had a they already sacked the woman and you know that so they got rid of her but they wanted to find some other way of punishing her. Jesus. Yeah. Wow. And this is what's happened with a whole lot of cases and I mean look at look at I mean Mr sorry Dr Skelton, Dr Skelton's case he could have gone for a strikeout. Yeah because because nobody actually complained about him did they? That's exactly right it's exactly right. I've been a health consumer I mean imagine what the complaint would be from a health consumer. Oh I got a I got an email from him and I really I really it really made me think whether I might get the vaccination or not. Yeah exactly. Is that a complaint? What what what? That's exactly what he was trying to do wasn't it? There is no crime in that. There's no grounds to do what they did. There's no grounds. Huh. Now I want to I want to talk a little bit about businesses right? Businesses that got thumped on by wins, not wins, not wins. Who are they? WorkSafe right? Yeah. I think for example Steve Oliver. Steve Oliver right? I don't think he he broke the law. No as they did which one? What was it? Well they could say they could say oh well it was it was this order. However remember the order said if you make a you know you you go under non CBC rules. Yep yep you can opt out just like that. You can opt out it was always a choice right? So you know I think anybody who's got a fine I think it's always useful to know that we've got these so we know to if they if they try and do this crap again but also for the people who are you know the businesses who are suffering and worried about the you know the fine etc. I think that they should get their their lawyers on to it and say how about a strikeout? Yep yeah. Because a lot although I don't know that the that the that WorkSafe went around and and actually did that did that much of it. I think they gave up. Pretty much everybody yeah they were pretty much making it up. I think I think if you look at if you look at that you'll find that that it was non-display of of COVID. Yep yep. Oh oh Alicia's saying WorkSafe just harassed business owners. Yeah and there was the clips of them going to the like the barbers that barbershop. The barbers got held didn't they? Yeah and I know they gave they went to Lone Star a few times and got cold soda off. Lone Star yeah that was another one but but in actual fact yeah yeah that the Lone Star one pretty much closed down because they they started to get sued by their franchise. Which again was totally out of line as well wasn't it? Yeah yeah it was it was it was an answer to that one too. Yeah it's an answer to that one too. But yeah I just wanted to sort of try and talk to people or try and teach people that the importance of having a legal hook whether you're going after somebody or whether somebody's going after you. Now I think generally people are pretty much especially in the common law movement they're they pretty much understand the if somebody's going after you they've got you've got to have done something wrong. This is this is going back to you know everything is allowed to us except what is prohibited by law. Everything is forbidden to them except what is what is in the law. Yep a lot of this stuff is reading the is reading the relevant statute. It's a bit boring but it does pay off. Yeah but you guys keep coming back to listen to this boring stuff so I get it yes it's not so boring. No it's not boring it's very so relevant isn't it? I would yeah three years ago I would never have dreamed I'd be saying that but yeah. Yeah well that's right because it's because it's tied to weapons training really isn't it? It is it is and I was listening recently to we were talking a bit about farmers before we before you came on Liz talking about how unwilling a lot of them are to break from the current regime and they're just squirming around there going oh my god yeah and and being held to ransom something curable. Yeah yeah well this is the thing I mean about the ransom that's easy that one isn't it? It's easy that one it's a that hook there is in the Land Transfer Act. Okay so they need to look at the Land Transfer Act the purpose basically the purpose uh 2027. Is that for the SNAs that you mean? Yeah SNAs or any other any other thing where where farmers are being told or you you know we can we can take we can put this on your title and we can put that on your title and da da da no they can't. Yeah and it's the um the F word in the dairy company industry. Ah oh wow. Making the contracts worse and worse and worse and harder and harder. Breach of contract I mean they know nobody's too too big to fall because they only you know and farmers could get together and pay for it for someone someone to take the suit you know I mean as as in one one farmer to be the nominant nominee for the rest. Yeah yeah I tried to suggest that but yeah anyway it's not bad. They got a bit beaten down hey? Yeah I think yeah. Right Alicia we all know how the David and Goliath story ended. Yeah yeah. Oh right yes and you know guys talking of David and Goliath and I don't know if you've seen I've centred around to a few people that I put up. I started to fight um what my my midwife friend called um a David and Goliath story back in I think it was about June of 2021. She was another one that pretty much the same story as I'm just telling you now but the story's not about her. She buzzed off to um Coromandel I believe and um and so didn't didn't continue to to fight it and I was thinking about it today I was rereading the the act and thinking I think I've been through this before when I was thinking about her her case. She was um so it was it had become familiar. Oh yeah the Pasco farm we'll talk about Pascos in a minute. Um so anyway um she had been they were on her back anyway for a long time because she had been not just anti this vaccine but but was worried about um what was happening to children who were having the other ones the childhood vaccines and especially the new um the the vaccine uh not the vaccine the K um I think of vitamin K injection. Oh yeah for babies. Yeah and um anyway so she had been doing a lot of study. She was um talking about all of these doctors long before I'd even heard of them you know um the various doctors and she was putting it and having a discussion on her Facebook page. Anyway um then suddenly this she's getting um trouble from the midwifery council. Now when I say you guys might have seen it a posting I put up she with my encouragement put the whole thing to to flush them out basically try and push them off. Um uh she put on her own Facebook page the the letter that I wrote to them and basically saying well listen you know you've spied you've spied on on um my client and now you've got what's called guilty knowledge because they were complaining and saying that um that this person who who actually said in their their um their evidence because we didn't get as far as the PCC but um because she took off somewhere uh but said in her evidence I've infiltrated this group and you know they've got these crazy doctors from overseas who say x y z and da da da and this is you know this is what she's talking about and um and then there was stuff she'd started to talk about the vaccine and that's when they got really upset and but I said to them in my letter I said you've got guilty knowledge now uh you can't in good conscience continue with this you know you you already know you've got to investigate it. That was back in about July I think it I think it's July of 2021. Wow yeah so so it was kind of like it didn't it didn't fire off then and then the second chance came up with this other case which um I picked up off a lawyer actually who decided it was all too hard and I'm really glad I got it now because it's you know it's like yeah yeah yeah because when with the employment side of it we're taking um it's an appeal to the employment court but and it's different sorts of different sorts of matters that have to be argued there because um basically you know I'm always not so well I'm defending but I'm also attacking right um well not defending because because she's been um and in the authority you're defending right you're defending but if you're appealing it you're attacking so you you swap over when you're when you're in the in the authority you're the applicant so you're attacking yeah that's where it goes when you're the applicant you're attacking you want something done to the other side see this is all battlefield stuff and then if you don't get you know you don't get what you want you don't get a good result you can appeal that result to the um court you can appeal the whole thing what's called de novo or you can appeal parts of it right so you might have succeeded on something but you missed out on something else and you think it's an important point so you you go after that so so what happened then so um so then when you're at the employment court you're the plaintiff no you're not yes you're the plaintiff you're attacking again yeah most cases and because it's but they call but they call the plaintiff in a defendant and in the um thing yeah yeah so but but in either case in either case you can um you could go um you know i mean what happened with erica's case was she put the case into the district court and the basis of it was a number of things it was bill of rights act um human rights act health health act as well uh i don't think at this that stage we were talking about the health act what about because they were stopping her from using the toilets so that yeah yeah but coercion turned out to be big right so so what happened in the strikeout as i say it's not being decided yet it's a reserved decision it's certainly taking this time yeah uh because it's going to be huge you know this is the thing all of these cases start off with them it only takes one person that's another thing i was trying to point out last night they're like oh these farmers they won't work together and they don't need to i need to work together and that's not what they want to hear they want to go oh we can't do it because we can't work together that's not what they want to hear they want to go oh we can't do it because we can't work together who's telling them that oh i think that they're telling themselves that actually yeah yeah yeah what the hell tricky eh maybe they're sick of milking cows or something yeah i don't know seems to be a few of them around like that but tell us all about the um what's going on with the farmers anyway the discussion you were having before i come in oh well it was um well it was actually not not a farming group in particular but um yeah that they were very afraid at the beginning of the get together about um i guess that somehow the group was going to be seen as being we were like we were doing something illegal sitting there like oh no how can i help you know and it was a whole discussion about how everything needed to be secret and we're just sitting there chatting you know we're not like not planning to blow up planning to blow up exactly i'm not going to take down there was nothing like that yeah and and then i sort of pipe up and yeah sort of because you're a farmer eh oh a bit of a pretend farmer yeah doesn't matter lifestyle block i mean it's like you could you could start something emma and uh we could yeah well don't commit yourself to a whole lot of weakness but you know i mean the the principles are pretty pretty what's the problem what what what are the what's the state shaking well um i think it's all the compliance issues you know mpi font here is stipulating lots more checking and you know like all this regulation to put yeah basically corporation yeah lots of lots of checking their records and their milk everything to do with their milk and cows and just getting more and more and more and more um yeah so they're um yeah getting very well getting quite tired of that but not tired enough to because they're at least two other dairy companies other than the big f word yeah yeah there is swapping oh you know but i'll tell you what um the state has tried to put them out of business a number of times yeah yeah yeah i'd quite believe it and this is this is interesting coming back to the 1688 actually in that principle of anything um it looks to me i think there's an argument under 1688 that anything that hasn't been scrutinized and uh by the parliament isn't um you know anything that is made as regulations etc that okay they make regulations under an act but if you can um i think there's there's there's all it amounts to misfeasance in public office is that right really you know they um although for for members of parliament they're not supposed to be in public office they're supposed to be um because we've been you know carl bromley was talking about this they've got a different they're paid um basically what's an honorarium yeah they're not public servants yeah but i think if people started to talk about this idea that in actual fact um regulations under 1688 don't look like their law at all you know don't look like that they are taking um under 1688 um i think it's pretended i think it's that that article um about take um pretend protect making laws pretend making of laws oh yes that the sovereign isn't allowed to make laws without the will of without parliament saying yes you can now there's an there's a um there was an article written in 2017 on the justice website department of justice website ministry of justice website about how the great majority of legislation in new zealand is made by by regulation but the parliament has hardly anything to do with it when that's not not good no no yeah well you see a lot of a lot of people don't understand the implications of all of this they just go guide you know laws orders regulations you know shit we have to comply with the whole bloody lot yeah well that's why i think you need to have a that's why i think you need to have a kind of a general overview of why that's wrong and i think looking at 1688 the bill of rights the 1688 bill of rights makes it really simple yeah you know you can you can you can tie it back to that general principle of law that's great i'll um yeah and of course before before 1688 you had things like um the very first statute that we have in our constitution which is the statute of westminster which is says that um the law shall apply to you know the king shall not make any difference um not not show any favoritism any favoritism to anybody everybody is equal under law yeah of course in 1275 when that was made um the king himself was the lawmaker and you know all of that but if you want to if you want to see what the what our constitution is made up of have a look at that zoom that i did yeah two weeks ago i think it was yep yep that was a good one um yeah i think it's um our unalienable rights yes that's the one yeah yeah it is a ripper that one i think it's the one where i did the um it was it was based on a um um a legal opinion for our friend uh who's actually yeah um who who's got a case coming up which you know if he starts using it yeah he'll win it yeah yeah i certainly am not afraid that's for sure which is good yeah so so i don't know what what you do about you know you're timid you're timid farmers yeah well they kind of think they're they're um you know as soon as you start talking about laws or legal stuff they just like go into shutdown mode and i don't know how you get past that but they think that they're being beaten up by law so what do they think they're going to fight back with you know they think that probably they think they're going to fight back with votes yeah yeah well is that a waste of time or not yeah i'll say we thought what what you know our so-called elected representatives did nothing yeah yeah nothing yeah and the other thing i i that drives me a bit batty is um um you know when people say that the the legal system's broken you know yeah no it's not it's not the legal system's well and truly there but people just don't use it no i mean look at this thing with the one doing that the strike out but all this it's going to be a whole lot of cases well they're not they're wrong they're wrong at law a whole lot of cases that one that you know i was talking about the midwife one i know that she actually did end up without me she must have got a lawyer and ended up getting suspended getting a license suspended because it went must have gone through the pcc and then because they can't do that but they have to what's called formulate a charge but you cannot this is the logic of it you cannot formulate a charge if you haven't got um it's like you know the cops right they've got a formulated charge and they've got a they've got to look at the criminal law and the statute and they have to look at it as a prosecutor and they have to say have we got there's not so much evidence as is um they have to prove two things beyond reasonable doubt one is um a guilty mind right mens rea and the other is actus reus right um usually um well either of them can can you know they they can't win um i think which i think uh what was it um was it the um og oj simpson case you have to have a chain of course a you have to have a you know you have to link up everything so it all works out and you have to have the evidence for that and da da da da with a civil case it's a lot probably more boring but is just as important that you you start prosecuting somebody you're putting a charge together against somebody you've got to look at the statute you're working under that gives you the authority to do that and you've got to do it properly but yeah that that she she hers is a case that i don't know should be reheard probably but i don't know what the what the what the story is whether um um whether that can be done because it would have been a while back now and it would have been a there would have been a certain amount of time for a um uh there would have been a certain amount of time for an appeal or taking it to the district court which is what the doctors did okay because that was it that's the other way yeah um you know so the appeal from the tribunal was to the district court yeah and they won that but you know looking at this i think you could have said with um uh with with with the doctors that this was a case of um but that it wasn't um it wasn't a properly formulated charge either no no it was more like a um you're like a policy sort of agreement wasn't it yeah yeah well this is the thing and that's an um yeah yeah well this is the thing and that's an um that's possibly an employment matter but he wasn't employed by anybody isn't that right i don't think doctors they're not employees of usually in a partnership right they're usually in the partnership so so he wouldn't have been anybody's employee where they could have said right you're sacked no no it's more like the registration sort of binds them yeah it's the registration but looking at this you have to have a complaint from a from a um regular tutor either have a complaint from a um what you call it from a health consumer or you have to have done something criminal and you've got a complaint coming the other way which is sort of mediated by the police and there was neither neither yep yeah and yes so interesting yeah yeah okay how's everybody going anybody got some questions oh yes um um alicia was just saying before on the chat that yeah sorry miss yeah um got a got a big hearing on the 10th of feb in auckland and then this one is the action oh yeah um and i believe alicia is uh that that is about maybe a bit of wrongdoing by the um by the authority that's what that's what is alleged yeah that's what's alleged oh no not by the authority by um by some trust in hamilton isn't it what's it say what's she say there um peter oh alan hols versus the bullies including chief executor yeah well yeah but chief executive of what um alicia peter chandler defended by high gun line mark beach they are afraid to attend the employment court hearing in perth in the matter of a judicial review and in the matter of an application to course and in the matter for an application to stay of proceedings stay of proceedings is the other thing that you can go after so that's a that's basically a strikeout so in this one um that you can go for a stay of proceedings or a strikeout but you know i think that that you know in this case a strikeout is appropriate because it just really brings to their attention you never had anything to bloody begin with okay the state of proceeding seems to suggest more that you know it's it sort of fits on the back burner i don't i don't know exactly how that works uh he raised a strategic litigation against against public participation ah yes you told us about this last time alicia in may 2017 when culture safe new zealand limited i was representing uh a bully um by a plenty dhb employee and ashore since then the new zealand taxpayer spent yeah that's a lot of money on further slaps and court action that has defended the bullies at tauranga hospital so so tauranga hospital is not in the case so is that correct i don't think that that in this case tauranga hospital will be um will be the one who's getting sued i think it looks like um it looks like maybe mark beach i thought there was also another there was a trust also that was um in this one one new message what she's saying everyone welcome to come along here lovely well you'll hear more about it obviously um if you go along to the hearing 41 federal street um i what is that what time have they got the other thing too um that you might do is suggest to alan um is um and uh and this is is to ask for a video link i can do that live yeah ask for a video link but the other thing is that because erica and i went to see um the the section 144 case oh yeah last wednesday yeah yeah so we expected to be able to report back on friday and i think we reported back that um they that there must have been some um they there must have been some something raised and they only spent about 10 minutes and we couldn't get there right on 10 o'clock so they must have known that it was only there was only going to be some sort of um first first hearing if you like so the first hearing um should be you know you should kick off and into it straight away but there was probably you know somebody wasn't ready or they didn't have a witness ready or something like that and it will be something to do with administration so it's going to be heard i think it's the 30th of march and we're going to um oh that's right because we had asked for a video oh we yeah one of karen called up for a video link for it because she's down south and couldn't um couldn't get to it and um and she was told no you have to put in a memorandum because and we asked the registrar about it and she said oh now some of the judges and you know it was always their prerogative that to hand out uh video um video links and now they're you know they're saying well you you get in touch with us first and we'll tell you if you can oh blimey yeah yeah yeah but we will next time we'll we'll have the we'll have our um we'll have our um memo ready um and ask the judge that we have an interest in learning about this yep uh i don't know you but talk to alan about it um it would be really good if he could get a a video link i've just sent that message through to him now um that's what we were told about the um that's what we were told about the um situation at north shore it could be that you know you just ask for it and you get it i mean that's that's you being the thing but i think the word has gone around the the judges oh you know we're going to be we're going to be on tv all of the time people are going to start having a hobby of watching the watching the courts which of course we should be doing yeah they might actually be accountable well that justice i mean there could be a complaint made about them if they don't because justice is supposed to the court's supposed to be open to everybody the only one that they've still got um and i think it is challenging is the um family court which is closed yeah that's yeah and a lot of a lot of horrible stuff can go on when it's when when stuff has happened that's when we get into trouble yeah as you were saying um emma you know the the um the farmers they don't realize what damage they do themselves by being you know secret squirrels you're not breaking the law get out there in the open and say it out loud worrying about their phones being you know being monitored and all that so we're so far down that rabbit hole yeah well look unless they're planning on doing something illegal let them listen let them let them step free no that they seem to find one one who who i just think it's propaganda fear porn type person about you know how we're all monitored and all that run with that oh my goodness people yeah anyway jeff did um has anybody got any questions or um oh oh carl barclay um karen wanted to say carl barclay is trying to help the pasco farming family in new plymouth there's some iwi are trying to take their grazing rights and put a road through okay there was an interest this is interesting i think either you're getting the getting the hard word but you know how um what's his name julian bachelor is gonna run this roadshow about no no co-governance right and off his side i got i got some interesting things pointed out yeah uh the wai tangi tribunal i talked before about the wai tangi tribunal to me it seems to be in law um it's just done so many things wrong in terms of land law but it hasn't actually because i shouldn't say they've done anything wrong because they only give recommendations and it's up to the politicians to turn those recommendations into action and that action is called those um what they call the settlement so so say it's um tai nui so the tai nui claims settlement so they're settling the claim right and when you settle a claim you pay right which is what has been happening with all of our treasury and going out to settle all of these claims but the claims are don't have um evidential backing because um and i believe that this is what happened because no claims were made between um 1940 and um the claims that were up to 1940 and 1975 so for 35 years no claims were made because by 1940 the evidence the claims that had evidence behind them were settled there isn't there is no written evidence and that's now they've got a whole lot of paper but that is um historians stories and i've read a couple of the um the claims actually and i'm looking at stuff and thinking well where was the court in all of this why didn't the court you know make a determination you know people bring them their sale and purchase agreements or something like that that's the usual thing their agreements in writing which it has to be for land and then you'd have a comment by the historian but i'm not a lawyer okay so but on the other side were they were lawyers okay supposed to be representing our interests the interest of our treasury yeah the interests of the new zealand people crown law i reckon i heard some interesting stuff on the weekend that it's basically just paying like paying a lease you know the new zealand land company is is all this stuff is just them paying their lease to stay as the government kind of thing yeah well yeah that that's um but what are you going to do about it yeah what is there is there anything in law that you can pick up and is it as a legal hook you can make a lot of noise about it but you've got you know if you want to do something about it yeah like um like um the pasco family um the pasco family um probably need to be saying okay i've got this thing called a legal title here yeah yep where are you getting the idea that you can um have migrating rights because a legal title has got what's called a bundle of rights hmm okay yeah it's a bundle of rights it's not actual yeah well you know under a low deal it's full ownership of the land the full thing so you can you can dig the coal or the gold under it you can um you own the airspace above it right you can build anything on it you want yeah probably um i think i wrote to carl actually and said for starters put a melodial title on okay uh looking at that i didn't know it was eewee but anybody whether it was and people get all about eewee as well eewee just super duper crooks that's all and i'll tell you who's the one who said it yesterday was um luxton the whole year luxton luxton i'm you know i'm not talking politics for you guys but he went to ratana pa well at ratana pa what happens is the government of the day hands over money so it doesn't matter whether it's hands over money and says can we keep governing i mean what a load of shit this is this is this thing about oh no we never we never ceded sovereignty of course they ceded sovereignty of course they ceded sovereignty and they got the english common law in exchange which was a damn good exchange okay so anyway he said he said about co-governance is you know can't agree we've got to look at we've got to look at the treaty again when i he said when i was in law school it didn't mean co-governance no all right and it's but it's all about land it's in terms of all of this co-governance co-governance co-governance uh basically means jurisdiction over yeah now when you've got self-governance as we all do on a piece of colonial land or in our jobs okay they believe that's a property right hmm and our bodies even you know that's why we have human rights yeah so i i think it was putting them straight i'm no lover of the national power i'm no lover of politicians full stop i think um the quicker we've gone with them the better yeah uh yeah carl barclay if you get hold of him karen and uh say to him um wave their certificate of um title about they go to limbs they get an historical copy which i think costs about 15 and print it off and uh say this is um this is what the boundaries are um i'm going to call i'm going to call um the cops right and and wave my certificate of title and say these people haven't got any rights on this land they're disturbed and there's a there's a piece in the crimes act actually defense of your homestead they can actually defend their homes they can defend their own defense of defense of uh your property it's near it's it's one of those sections near um defense of another anybody got a crime fact now i can i can soon get it yeah yeah so so they can they can reasonably defend their land i mean one day we'll have be able to have our own guns that's also assured under the 1688 only for only for protestants at this stage but i think i think we could make the case for catholics to have these as well and yeah and who's to say who's what's what yeah because that's how that's how constitution guys those acts um you know and i talk about them in that um our unalienable rights one oops where we gone i shared screen sorry is that okay read it up oh yeah uh let's see ah um it would be it would be i'm just trying to think it would be under property i think oh defense of property yeah defense defense defensive against assault and self-defense here we are defensive property movable property against trespassers so that means you know you can um somebody tries to come in and take your car away um so you know watch out any of these people who've got ideas about we're going to send the sheriffson to take your cars no no no no yeah defensive 52 watch out defensive land or building that's it can we click on that every bird body in peaceable possession okay of any land or but everyone you see everyone here we go all of these rights every everyone a company um by the director is everyone okay everyone in peaceable possession of any land or building and everyone lawfully assisting him or acting by his or her authority okay so you can get your mates around is justified in using reasonable force to prevent any person from trespassing on the land or building or remove him or her there from if he or she does not if he or she does not strike or do bodily harm to the person so what you could do was pick them up in a big bear hug and carry them away yeah as long as you don't strike or do bodily harm to them yeah but the same goes for these people who are coming along because the people who are coming along and saying we're going to you know we've got a right to this and we're going to put the you know we're going to take the grazing rights the other thing too is go back a little bit about there um see if they trespass and put their stock on your land I think you might be able to keep it oh yeah defensive movable property let's have a look at defensive movable property that one there or with a claim of right that'd be it yeah with a claim of right yeah there we go everyone in peaceable possession of any movable thing peaceful possession remember possession the rights of the possessor the rights of the occupier the rights of the possessor possession is nine-tenths of the law they say you're in peaceable possession they come and put their cows on your land you're in peaceable possession under a claim of right what's your claim of right that you've got that that piece of paper that says you own that land and everyone acting under his or her authority is protected from criminal responsibility for defending his or her possession by the use of reasonable force against any against a person entitled by law to possession okay so these guys have got the title of law they're entitled um by law to the possession of the of the cows but if they come and put them on your land you've got the peaceable possession and a claim of right okay yep send them off to the freezing works or put them on another piece of land where they can't find them whatever sections effective and what was the other one was you actually can trespass you can defensive land or building hey hey let's just before you move on what's the definition of reasonable force um i i think all you'd have to do with these people is say look uh this is what the law is guys you know i can keep you put you put your cows them if it if it came to actually physically reasonable force i think would be um you're not doing them bodily harm you could you could basically um tie them up with a rope and lead them off so you're not allowed to strike them but joint locks and strangleholds and stuff are all okay yeah you know i guess i guess striking is different to um so you can't point a weapon at them either no probably not but you could slap them or is that striking i don't strike because reasonable force and not striking someone's kind of an oxymoron have a look at have a look at um see if you can find some cases about reasonable force because there'll be a lot of it i mean what do the cops do well okay the cops strike people all the time they use but no when they say when and when they say we're only using reasonable force and they marched everybody with their arms up their back off the grounds of parliament that's reasonable force yeah but i mean i'm in crowd control and that they use batons and everything else so well does it not apply in that case that's not reasonable force yeah but i mean we're talking remember we're not talking about right situation here we're talking about some iwi who's gone along and said we've got we're going to have the grazing and we're going to put a road through right you've got two criminal statutes there that you that basically you can defend yourself with you don't need the cops to come and do it in fact it envisages that you will be doing it because you're in peaceable position this is this is what bounces are operating under anyway isn't it this is what what dormant and bounces will be operating under the same thing they will be they'll be reasonable force yeah there it is everyone is justified in using the defense of himself or another such force as in the circumstances he believes them to be it is reasonable to use yeah but that doesn't mean strikes section 48 yeah but but remember this is this is defending yourself you you're thinking of an attack right on the body this is defensive property right property so that's why we're looking under um defensive property okay there's a heating there defensive property yeah different sorts of things so you've got defensive movable property the fear that's you know stopping somebody come and take your cars and stuff um uh you've got defensive moving property with claim of right even when somebody else has got the um uh now this is this is this is an interesting one actually too of where somebody might send the you know somebody after your after your car okay and you think that no they've uh you know like repossession people yep um but what i'm talking about in this case is this particular pasco farm right oh look at that one what's it let's have a look at section 54 oh services aren't available right now just because we were looking at it this is this is where you bought something i think and you know the the person won't move out oh hang on possession of right to land but everyone is justified in peaceably entering in the daytime any land or building in the possession of which he or she or some person under who whose authority acts is lawfully entitled for the peace for the purpose of taking possession thereof yeah interesting i'll go but try that other one again uh it was that that one wasn't it gee it's having a go slow every one in peaceable possession of any movable thing but neither climbing claiming right there to nor acting under the authority of a person claiming right there to is is neither justified in nor protected from criminal responsibility for defending his or her possession against a person entitled by law to possession so you have to have some claim of right to defend it this is what this is yeah so somebody hasn't got something of yours they're not allowed um they might be in peaceful possession of it but they haven't got a claim of right um which is the iwi isn't it trying to do their thing yeah yeah that's so so you know um well they have it yeah but they might like if there's cows etc so no the the um this one doesn't apply to the pescos um they're in possession of their and they've got a they've got a legal title if they put their cows on there they've got a claim of right to the cows okay yeah they've got a right to trespass it just gives you when you're defending property you've got to be a little bit more um you know it's it's less you know um like it's different from defending your body you can be you can be more you know you can you can up with a stick and slap somebody real hard yep yeah and this is all this law about you know um yeah you can strike people back when you're defending your body absolutely self-defense yeah lovely okay very good and then i think let's see cops arrested a woman and put handcuffs on her because she had read them their rights she read them their rights oh is this is this what happened um ronda was this what here a family of landowners there's quite a few of them on the property they've been taken to court by the council for misdemeanors and you know not not doing what they're told i guess and they fought back with common law etc so can you can you go back this isn't the pesco farm no no and put handcuffs on her because she read them their rights yeah so she was telling them um yeah the common law it'll be the settler thing probably yeah but if they arrested her because what do you what do you mean misdemeanors i guess the council are trying to get them to do things to their buildings but the families believe that they're okay you know the buildings are fine and and they don't want to play by the council rules so well they needed to do they needed to do um a low deal and get it to court uh yeah they're probably well yeah i'll have to ask them about that they've got lots and lots of people helping them with it but um whether they've done the elodio or not another story well if i don't understand it of course they've got to because because they're going to have to go to court and say this is why it's a low deal if it's who i think i suspect it might be liz they will have a lot of claims on it yeah well they need and that they've trespassed the council as well if it's the same people oh okay so they'll have to go to court then that's good but i wouldn't you know i mean i don't know what the cops had to do with it it's a civil matter um if it's the same guy the cops went near to chat to him about it and um yeah was fishing big time asking questions whether he had firearms and how many people on the property and all sorts of things you're trying to get some sort of criminal um hook yeah with again with the legal hook just a moment i'm going to take a long time yeah you go again with the legal hook you're going to take you're going to be squeaky clean you got to be squeaky clean guys you're going to use the law yeah yeah i think i think that's where people are going a bit wrong really that when you know when soon as i hear people say i'm i'm doing it the common common law way yeah but the common law is is there but it's in the statutes yeah yeah that's what i mean but people aren't people are thinking that common law is this whole thing yeah and that's yeah and that's why and the cops know that yeah people don't know what they're talking about yeah if they actually got out of that mindset um and actually started to use the common law as it's written for us in the statutes because well that's the only way we can do it this is these common law have been proven proven proven proven once the court finds it in one case you can rely on that yeah you don't have to reinvent the wheel no but too many of the common law people think the courts are corrupt and that they just don't understand the process i think liz and and so they don't see that they don't see that they can win because it i mean that they see common law and so they see the courts as actors and not necessarily the truth being or justice being served yeah that's just their viewpoint um i don't necessarily agree one way or the other but um i mean of all the court cases particularly looking at sue graham people like here you are the only one that seems to be delivering results where you know there are cases here that seem to be winnable that get lost and people are particularly common people looking at it and going well where's the justice here yeah and that's why i i was really i was really mad about the judicial reviews yeah and i mean you've sort of seen brent's approach too you know um it's quite common in this you know in the people that are looking at pushing back yeah they but but but the courts are our biggest ally if you like i agree i mean if the courts don't work there's not a lot left but they have to work for themselves that that's what i don't think people understand is that it's not just everyday people like us that go there it's it's every every business every corporation every trademark infringement ip protection arbitration you know just it's absolutely huge so if it didn't work it wouldn't work for them either the whole world would just be a big pile of but the thing is how many people even on this meeting have actually been in court been involved in a court case rather than just observing or anything else i mean i've i've been into court once and we went in at high school just to have a bit of a look at a court case but i don't know how the courts work i don't even know how to file anything in the courts and i mean um there'd be a ton of people on here now i mean you tend to have some quite clever people here that are getting more and more involved in it um under your tuition or under their own steam will be trained in their own rights but joe bloggs walking down the street i don't know how to take a court case i would have to go to a lawyer and i'm relying on the process of that and it generally appears to be quite costly yes it is it is i mean no one gets educated on the process is general schooling there yeah well i i think um you know where we're headed is is definitely civics yeah and i think it will be what every kid wants to learn it won't be it won't be boring because our country is and and people's lives are going to be saved by us applying the law yes i concur with you entirely but we the bulk of people um you know and i mean i'm a project manager so i've done some basic corporate legal stuff but i don't know how the legal process works i've not even hit mediation in my job to be honest i've had a couple of disputes with employers oh sorry i'd tell a lie the commercial mediation i haven't been involved in but i've done a couple of employment mediations and to be honest there was very little law applied in the mediation that was he told the better story they don't they don't apply it in mediation they don't have to yes so it was basically to keep you out of the court yeah but it wasn't really about justice or or what was going on it was who could provide the most credible witness and and who outblast the other guy um yeah well this is this is the thing though i mean look look at what i've been explaining tonight it doesn't actually it doesn't actually matter how much the the pcc the the professional conduct committee might want to do and might have you know i mean the guy that is taking their case is a kc right yeah and he there is no there is no comeback because of the law right so in the end you know um like if they've got good witnesses that you've done something wrong well you deserve to lose yeah but don't forget but basically they've got to they've got to obey um they've got to they've got to have the legal hawk that they can defend themselves with or um or attack with one or the other they were seeing a lot of people panic to not really make good decisions because your livelihoods are on the line yeah yeah oh that's what happened that's definitely what happened with this whole rubbish we've been through for the past three years yeah i mean you know you look at what was said by government concerning the jabs and that and and they totally misdirected and made us up the garden path and they they didn't really like outright they just constructed it in a way that the assumptions that we reached through logical deduction were not what the law said but they didn't actually say it they were very very clever in many cases and how they did it i think i think i think the courts are going to have to um bow to justice because as as you were saying ema but otherwise they're not there's no point in them being there no it's just gonna be um nobody will take cases you know i mean criminal cases will continue but civil cases you know that was what i was hinting to um you know this idea that employment at will you know you you have you you let people basically um in terms of employment law you let them you let them get away with you know doing wrong then you know what are you there for yeah they are there to apply um to apply the law that's the only job and it can be things like um i think it was nike um someone else made a copy of their shoes and and made a little change and then started selling them under a under another brand and so nike then sued um yeah because it was ended up being trademark infringement but you know it's all it's all that there's so much stuff like that that those those big corporations and lots of little businesses as well i guess um yeah if the courts didn't function properly yeah we're gonna fall over it's just the absolute chaos throughout the world yeah well in every aspect of our lives um and people talk about the social contract uh and but the social contract is has an overlay of of the law you know i mean the social contract is that we will basically obey the law there's do no harm now the people and we rely on on the state um or the sorry not the state we rely on the courts um to enforce the law whether we um if we take cases to it or the police take cases yeah yeah and and you know the thing is that that sometimes i think in those um judicial review cases it wasn't that that the judges didn't obey the law they just weren't didn't have the right stuff put before them you can imagine in an adversarial system is not there to instruct either side no matter how much he might think yeah you guys are doing this wrong yeah but the general public general public doesn't know that and also like you said you know the unions have really let the people down um because there's a general expectation well if we do anything about it the unions would have done it and they haven't yeah i think that's i think that's the perception for sure i think and i think that's where we come in that we have to just keep putting the word out there that um i know i do that to to just kind of help people understand what what what the thing is you you get a couple of good ones and people are going to notice you and they'll come flocking because they'll go well here's someone that stands up for the workers who's doing and um actually achieving something and i mean you're never really going to have to promote yourself because your results are going to promote yourself like you won't believe once you get a couple of court cases yeah there's a few court cases but thing is that now a lot of a lot of employers want to settle um yeah yeah yeah well we've got enough but you know we've got enough cases that you know we'll go through on important points and i tell people that that that we don't get to hear about those because they're covered by an nda so you can't you can't you can't even generally say we we achieved a settlement da da da da da without the extra figures or whatever i can say that settlements are coming thick and fast but i can't give you any detail at all not even broadly yeah i understand i can say i can say um you know people who didn't have uh who weren't under the schedule um or who thought they thought they were under the schedule and they weren't uh settling okay can you say something like we got so many people their jobs back and so many people cash settlements not many people get their jobs back okay but even in you guys we don't tend to take um a lot of people don't want to go back and work for them those cruddy employers and yeah and sometimes it'll be like um occasionally it'll be somebody who can't work anymore because you know they they took a jab yeah because i mean that um professional golfer um even when i spoke to my hr department today um she knew about that case and um they were it's gone around the business community and they're pretty stoked they are yeah that that's my impression yeah we got lawyers going out and saying because we send out what's called um um cold bank leakers which basically do you want to settle because if you go on it's going to cost you because we're going to win right yeah but um you know they did seem fairly riled um no not yeah just a little bit unsettled by it and they were they were wary of it yeah but the thing was all the employers got it seems they got the same bullshit the employers and manufacturers federation had a had a had a thing that the lawyers didn't have to think all they had to do was go and deal to anybody who said we're not having the vaccs yeah yeah it'd be so interesting to hear how that yeah those meetings or where that where that info came out or how that scenario played out because it's just like like those um shots of all the media on the screen all the different medias and they're all saying the same thing it's like the employer yeah now i think erica um and i she put it up on her on the page i believe that uh what's his name tam slater put in an oia and uh you know he's the whale oil yes well oil well oil be yeah you know well i'll be damned yeah yeah yeah so um anyway and i haven't read it yet but from what she was saying it appears that he put an oia and what was the instruction to the various media or which me you know what was i targeted was there an instruction sent out to target me and they had to reply that yes and i think he must have asked about some other targets as well and they had to reply yes you wouldn't yeah so um yeah um erica saying he should join the union and i agree yeah god yeah we need a squeaky wheel another squeaky wheel absolutely here he'd be very squeaky because he he wrote up some good stuff about um exemptions you know after i did that um interview with grant edwards he wrote he wrote some good stuff about exemptions um and he was nine yeah of the order uh the claim even if you don't put in front of the judge that none of it exists you have to reference it yeah in the form of um yeah the the claim and the evidence are kind of two different things like your claim is your claim on you um you know this is where they've broken the law and this is and the evidence is kind of like your documentation you're two different things so so it's almost like it's almost equivalent but not quite to those two aspects of criminal law where you've got a guilty mind so um you knew or you should have known because ignorance of the law is no excuse that's the legal maxim uh that you were breaking the law and you deliberately did it and here's the proof that you did it which is actus reus okay because you know that that's that's the evidence that people that the cops have to come up with that you actually did the action you did you knew it was wrong and you did it anyway that's that's the two aspects but this is the interesting thing about um what would you call it our fundamental rights to free speech and freedom of thought and opinion okay it's a mental thing and what the courts say is you know no court can tell what's in a man's forms head or heart right so as long as you're not breaking it as long as you're not breaking the law you can say whatever you want you know there's defamation law that you can break if you tell lies about somebody like those twats on tv one the other day holy moly was that shooting the trump doll with the salt gun did you see that that was on morning morning tv with all the presenters had one of those i think you told us about the fly yep yeah yeah that's them yeah yeah and they're all there all have it taking turns to shoot this little soft toy that was a trump they've had heaps of complaints so they bloody should it was terrible yeah idiots yeah hate speech and um yeah but we don't want to go down the hate speech let them go for it except that they shouldn't be paid out of our taxpayer dollars when that that that sort of money going to um you know political uh pushing political speech basically they could be that would be kind of discrimination political discrimination yep it could i don't know how you'd work it around but i mean you've got your broadcasting standards um sounds like yeah lots of people are complaining yeah um you know there'd be a new case of course it'd be a new and and how many lawyers are out there thinking about doing something new is just you know they must be bored by now though for god's sake so much opportunity to have a go at something new maybe they're not that brave live it was they believe it i can't believe it well you know even though even though um you know i've had my words to say about miss um what's her name ashley she's been brave she's done some bloody good things good on her right yeah but i don't know and i mean um so so great because she's not a human rights lawyer neither is she an employment lawyer but she had a go yeah yeah yeah because she's a commercial lawyer yeah but yeah but but probably a little bit too lateral thinking that's the outcome of your cases is that makes things harder for the likes of you or easier harder so idiots well not idiots but people that people are convinced that you know it is no it's like no it's lost you know well with us and yeah yeah so yeah people with the best intent can screw things up further rather than help if they don't know what they're doing sometimes yeah i i don't know that you don't know what you're doing it's it's like you're not you're not thinking um maybe you're not under enough pressure you know maybe it's kind of you don't don't really realize what the what the outcome is if you don't win that and that you just you know those cases could have been appealed yeah yeah so why didn't she now i guess i have to ask you that yeah sorry no no no no yeah maybe um you know just thought to herself that um they weren't appealable um but i think that comes from lack of imagination really now some people have said all notions what equal opposition no i don't believe that i don't believe it okay any updates from jeff is what um he's gone somewhere i think yeah i think he got sick of us talking too much yeah so he's gone he didn't put his hand up did he no i think he was gonna say something but then yeah he probably thought those chicks are talking too much again can't get a word in anyways oh well we did talk we did talk about him if not yeah he didn't talk he was you know you know he knows he's um he brought the health and disability stuff to our attention yeah yeah and you don't you don't wait to be invited you just bust in that's how it works sorry that's that's my bad habit you're getting paranoid there michael yeah no it's all good it's all good we want to hear what other people have to say so yeah yeah that's great yeah so everybody's everybody's just luxuriating in the in in um jacinda lass a jacinda lass world oh i heard um chipkins now what did someone call him today um shit lips and there was another word in front of it as well i was just trying to think what it was everything yeah it was something yeah it was yeah oh it was damien demont actually i think yeah it came up he's got you know his biggest his biggest problem is uh what he said about coming and hunting hunting the ones down who weren't vexed yes yeah yeah that's very interesting because of course and in the judicial review which will get done the application will name him as the minister of um what was it covered response and he signed off the orders vaccination order i'm pretty sure it was him who signed it off wasn't he the minister of education too was he at the time i think he might have been both yeah i think he might have had both portfolios i mean that was huge yeah because there's a big thing about this education stuff being released to kids is about over the top well it's a lot over the top and a lot of yes going nuts about it so okay oh about the fact that they knew and everything yeah well no just this education is um you know all this scandalous stuff and oh that and i'm pretty explicit about how it works when you're like about five years old and oh yeah no i'll tell you what they would talk um i remember my um was that a play group with my daughter a couple of years back and they were talking about and i started to talk about curriculum because there was they i heard that the kindergartens were also you know doing sex education basically and i said no you don't start you know let's let their little children you know their parents want to teach them something that's up to their parents their little when they're at kindergarten they're three to four years old yeah no no well you know there's enough to crash the whole lot of them and and see them all go away for a long time so yeah they won't have it i don't worry too much about this stuff it's like but every person like if they're every every parent of every child has got them i've got the best right to um complain to take um boards to to a task and if necessary take them to court yeah those things about um i think there was you know talking about that midwife she had quite a few things going on and one of them was she had um two sons of teenage yeah teenage years i think and she um objected strongly when they were you know asked you know um about in school they were pushing it yeah by the backs and also um you know the the dot of the nurses the school nurses were pushing it and she objected very very strongly to that yeah so you know there's there's something for everybody out there you know there's something for everybody and and um you know anybody got any questions about um you know what which is the act i should be looking at just get out this is an act for everybody um sounds like a play doesn't it a role yep okay yeah i saw that i saw that that they haven't um they said they didn't isolate it well i'll tell you what something is killing off millions multi-millions of the chinese yeah it's called organ transplants for most of these senior people oh yeah those ones yes but but i mean there's a lot of other people dying and i i i would wonder if they in if they go to hospital with anything whether they're injecting them with something and also they they said they used the you know they used the backs that they were had developed in china but who's to say that wasn't the amount mrna stuff but the senior government because of the organ transplants nearly all of them are had from what the rumors are true because the chinese medicine if there's something wrong with you it's an organ issue so they just go get another one they're all on anti-rejection medication and um they're terrified of the covert because it'll probably be lethal to them because they're on the anti-rejection medication so they just have to get a sniffle and away you go so yeah it's something that's been around for since i think it was 2002 they they started to name coronaviruses didn't they something like that yeah yeah well i think they aren't the patents even earlier than that well probably yeah yeah yeah well the patent seems to be well what do we have a patent for to to say i own this something something odd then you know because you can't get a patent on something that's natural we talked about this before you can't patent the grass you can't if but if you take a certain grass seed and you um genetically modify it you can patent that modification so anything that's got patents has obviously got you know this man is into the internet yeah yeah so if you've got something that alters the dna of a human being do you own a human being here no you don't okay so that's just a rumor yeah i'd love to say but you know we let these so-and-so's go on pushing us around don't be taking them to courts and um you know um courts have got to realize too that they but they they have to they have to um obey the law the judges have to understand that um i don't think there's been any courts in the world who have said oh yeah we're going to recognize that you've got some ownership because slavery is against the law we cannot own people no but we have law that says you're not allowed to do it and somebody tries to say that to you say well i've you know i've got you know you you got injected with that you got some of my patent in you then you go to oh we'll go to the crimes act again not allowed to own people not allowed to own their labor or own their bodies and it's done without people's consent people and and that whole you know everything it has you can't consent to slavery you can't consent to being killed there's certain things in the crimes act you'll find that this is this is why they had to do all of this euthanasia bullshit so that you could consent in certain circumstances have you i had an uncle that recently took the euthanasia thing he's very sick and it's um a strange friggin way they do it in new zealand because um i know in europe they used to do it they hook you up to a computer with the vials and you actually press the button whereas i yeah whereas the doctor administered um i understand stood in new zealand yeah can i he administered the injection i would have thought he was on dicey ground down there well if you look at the you know what's it called the end to life remember what we said that yeah no okay so a bill means something that's not been passed by parliament that's what it means okay okay so the bill uh was the end of life bill and that was about probably two or three years before so it was all ready to go but our criminal law um doesn't uh doesn't criminalize suicide but it does of course killing is unlawful killing okay but but the euthanasia but when we did the um uh you know they had the uh referendum and the latest one okay yeah yeah you can change your law like that if if some somebody like um well you're not changing that law you just bring in another law that makes it lawful to kill right so when when people voted in the referendum uh and chose you know what was it what was it called the euthanasia wasn't it called what was it called yeah it was euthanasia i think yeah it was called euthanasia straight out in the referendum yeah that's when they could then pass the bill that they already had waiting in line which had all of the you know the the sections and regulations and god knows what so as long as as the um uh the doctor uh administered the the shot after um the election uh he'll have he'll have administered and under the end of life bill and the end of life act which would have been must have been 2020 or 2021 probably straight away because they had it all ready to go it's convenient yes it's a bit like um three waters i've um seen the database system for it um and it's been the amount of development that it had it has been around seven you know five six years at least worth the development so then the background already go they got it all ready but see the problem with that they've got with the three waters is that it's um um for for this couple of things there's the um what is it the local government act says that any infrastructure has to be owned by a by local government yeah but you see they thought they'd overcome that by co-governance and they just take over local government um and uh and also um a lot is a problem for them yeah they don't they don't own they can't they haven't got that land in in ownership that they can hand it over you know um into into private hands yeah even if so but i always say a lot lies all of those um those rivers and everything yeah and then they've got it then they've got a legal case they have to jump they have to jump through and they won't can't win it yeah i won't go there i'll try not to go there okay better oh need to rain in the dog sometimes what's this oh okay no no no you're good okay well yeah good to say good night though yes we've gone through just about every piece of law we can think of haven't we has everybody seen that clip of um jacinda's little speech when she says she's going and everybody cheers has everybody seen that i thought i got it here and i thought oh let's let's finish on a funny note we should we should pop that up even down here and i'll tell you what um it was produced by um what do you call it um jettison media so we're not going to get sued with copyright no and it's it's actually ended up on um donald trump's telegram ah yeah oh this is great and so today i'm announcing that i will not be seeking re-election oh too good where's the rest of it gone oh that's oh that's that's the only bit on that clip yeah oh okay yeah the bit where she's saying everyone's cheering oh dear yeah actually when i first saw it i was sort of thinking so did i what's not labor it's not a labor conference oh i think it might be um digitally enhanced it's like calvin said they they took a bit of poetic license i thought yeah it sure did funny how there'll still be people around with hangovers from that party yeah yeah i was sitting on that i was sitting on the um bus today and somebody next to me said oh he'd just come from australia and he said gee it's good you got rid of that that worst prime minister you ever had hey everybody yeah they're striking up conversations with you now yeah interesting i don't have to say anything yeah yeah worst prime minister ever yeah in a way though you know i mean there's terrible destruction and that but you've got to look at the good that's come out i mean we wouldn't have all got together and no on our freedom journey would we no no that's exactly right such a such an interesting time um there is a celebration night at a pub in keatsland i will find it and put it here oh yeah that's um shame from shooters yeah yeah yeah we'd love to see that yeah that was uh i saw that today it's a really cool place to go for a party that too it's great um hang on what happened huh let me store it i always try and remember who sent me that and look on these threads yeah so oh no i thought that was it oh guilt oh here it is um it is thursday the 2nd of february 7 pm 330 new north road kingsland as official as we can get a true red witch bitch leaving party yeah yeah whoop whoop end of an era party oh i like that oh that's good that's one of the local farmers out this way did they put the put it in the computer in his tractor and yeah those potatoes to show yeah and yeah and that big lettering well that was so clear now one for dipkins next yes let's hope is going away party is very yeah shitlips of dipkins like that that's a good name or is resign shipkins resign hipkins okay okay this is deteriorating rapidly you know the thing is go look at the look at the example of i think it's belgium or the netherlands you know 15 months politicians free yes well of course we've got to keep an eye a very strict eye on the um on the bureaucrats but um i think that with the with the head you know the inspiration cut off there are not there are a lot more weary now than they will have been but yeah please somebody get in touch with carl tell him all about um those parts of the um crime fact yeah yeah in chapman yeah doesn't need to feel defeated at all not at all no no very good that's fantastic well thanks liz and everyone that was very entertaining i might need to re-watch this and see if there's anything that needs anything out ronda's been doing some good great work thank you ronda ronda's been doing some um she's recording these and she's doing um you know she's doing some going through and picking out you know um um you know taking out all the ums and ahs when you think you have to watch two hours it's probably about 45 minutes yeah um i've sent a message to um to ask if anybody would like those transcripts perhaps we can get my email out to them oh that would be amazing do we do we wanna um do you wanna do you want to send them through to me or something and we can that'd be great and then you can choose to send them on to the people who might need them more than anybody i've sent you one a m please oh i probably didn't realize what it was actually oh okay yeah um oh sorry ronda um and i need to do a bit of editing um of you know sections of the act and everything on one that you did recently which was about the c the opt-in or opt-out of the cvc cvc yeah i couldn't quite get some of those um election numbers right so yeah yeah do that and then hand that over to him yeah and she can maybe and you and her you know what your email address the end i can send what i think is important to go out here we go on its way okay just on the direct message there i'm just making sure i actually spelled it right yeah i even managed to get that right bonus we know you're an email very good crew yeah because those if you don't mind those being used um ronda yeah well we know they're not they're not mine to mind you know they're for everybody and i just think that if you know people don't have a lot of time to take it all in because they've got it in writing in front of them perhaps it'll mean more to them and it takes a lot i love to have stuff in writing and then i can go back and you know look at it anytime i want and i don't and you don't have to go through the whole watch the whole show show what is it listen okay guys yeah fantastic thank you thank you thank you alicia thank you everybody who's had input yeah michael even we even had we even had two people from australia on here tonight nisa still lives and but charlene had to hop off oh lovely nice to see you miss or know that you're there yeah right um that's missy angel there hey i'll tell you what miss or missy angel you guys um i think canada might beat you to the punch to get rid of the next wef is that right all right yep gee i think i think today might be what going to be forced to resign soon and then what have you've got um isn't scott uh morrison one no we've got um albo who just had a meeting uh with uh bill gates yesterday shaking hands about like a 250 million dollar deal are they going to that's under way so i'm not really seeing any any um you know anything going in a positive direction when there's that much money passing hand for um for us to be in whatever test group that thing he said so have um uh so i mean i i think there's a number of things not just the covid stuff that got um jacinda on the move but has um and and and the oias were very useful uh is there as much oia activity or foi um stuff going on in australia nation act or um well i think um from what i'm looking at um yeah there has been but i think dr bay is really our next oh yeah hope yeah because he's um he's added he's changed he's just done something new about um with uh trying to get babies not vaccinated so he's added that i actually i've just seen i've seen it um put the link on the workers eight page i just just put it up last night and i really need to go through it to understand the language but i think it's really important what he's done um there's just so much because you know we've got all the seven countries in one country going out of your federal system but i'll tell you what um you also were established um you you also have basically along with your constitution you've got those imperial laws as well they're still in in place yeah in your neck of the woods you could start using the 1688 and then and sweep away all of this rubbish about the the um because they all have to they all have to um yeah i've downloaded that document and i've downloaded the imperial act document or the documents that you said to it's a matter of yeah so it's um and then i think i was talking to someone i would not think was i was talking to someone the other day and um you know when i mentioned the bill of rights she just scoffed at it really but we've got a guy in benley who's going to court um in three months and he's really on the rule of law and he's about the um so he was unlicensed and unregistered and assaulted by the police so he's turned he's trying to say that out of jurisdiction and not following the christian law of the land um i'd like to share his documents he's got actually it's really interesting um i don't know if i'm speaking cognizant enough for this conversation but in my head i understand that it's quite important what he's doing yeah yeah yeah the um also it was something that you just said and i it just oh registration right registration i happen to notice that word registration in all of the stuff that applied to businesses registered businesses okay and the affected um affected businesses were registered it didn't say affected businesses it said a registered business so for example if you were at a farmer's market and you had a school they're not a registered business no they couldn't do anything and with those um lockdown rubbish if everybody had just got out and said yeah we don't we don't have their contracts we don't have registered we don't have their contracts with that but have you seen over here how they've been um you know they're doing like headpieces on they're calling everyone sovereign citizens they aren't licensed dragging them out the cars and what happened with the shooting as well they're having a real big go at well this is why this is why i don't want to use the word sovereign i don't want to use the word i don't even want to use the word common law i just want to say this is the law of our land yeah and and you know occasionally you can say and it's english common law right it must be written in english this whole thing of putting all of this foreign language in is is actually against the law and we what do what do you mean by foreign language do you mean like like maori oh okay right yeah it's not everybody you know we could we as non-maori speakers we could be demanding um what do you call them all of the time translators we could here's a here's the other thing do you did any of you ever watch any of the clips of the nuremberg trials you know all of the germans were sitting there with the earpieces on you know why because the trials were conducted in english and the english common law they are trying to create recreate babel a tower of babel yeah you know they're trying to divide us with language as well we've got look the the i don't know how many languages there are in india there's hundreds of languages in india if they didn't have english as their common language and the language of commerce the language of the courts it'd be absolute mayhem it'd be nothing it'd be like all no one been able to communicate with anybody else everybody they have in england they have sharia courts that should be against the law apart from the fact that horrendous stuff in it is it should not be allowed to exist in a common law country that the language of the common law is english because everybody gets a fair shot at it then if you haven't got if you can't speak english you get an interpreter because the law is written in english somebody sent me a constitution to look at with a whole lot of maori in it i'm no and calling us native you know basically let's get adopted no no that is a terrible weakness absolutely nothing wrong with with maori and and speaking it as a you know as a cultural thing absolutely but keep it out of the courts a lot of language doesn't have the finesse that english does either um you know where they the word they have a word well we'd have four words and they have one but each word's very slightly different yeah yeah well i mean i'm a great believer and it's it's the superior language because it's the only one i speak but you know in terms of and we're comparing it with french we're comparing it with german we're comparing it with um indian we're comparing it with every other language i think it's i think it's the most successful language but for the courts in this i mean they can speak french and in the french courts they don't have an english common law system english common law system but we do and it's and and that's that's basically what maori gave up their sovereignty for is to have that have protection and then to then to try and and you know that that's the other thing i lived in um japan my my two oldest children are half japanese i'm crap at language but i'm part of the reason i couldn't learn japanese was because they have three syllabaries which means that they have um they have kanji which has comes from the chinese which has got about 3 000 characters uh they have um katakana which is kind of developed in in korea uh and it's more for scientific and new words coming into the language and then they've got hiragana which is basically the what you know is a is a representation of the japanese spoken language even the hiragana has got a lot more than 26 right then you've got katakana which is like could be could be developed more and more and more like depending on you know how many more new technical words you get or phrases and then the um the kanji which is 3000 plus right now the only people who can who actually can read a newspaper where all of these things are all mixed up together people have been to university wow my my husband um couldn't read it he had he was well educated but he didn't be he hadn't been to university so he had to have a kanji dictionary to read a newspaper it absolutely puts your educated class at a huge advantage over everybody else in terms of the law the only people who are i'll never learn maori i haven't got a talent for it if i had to if i had to um try and decipher a you know and i mean i i think the number of words that you've you've got in maori that you've only got the huge the numbers that you've got because the transliteration of english words yeah i i learned a little bit of maori through work through work but what amazed me is they had words for ambulance and things like that well traditionally the maori school never had an ambulance so they're just making shit up yeah they just make shit up yeah well or does yeah or make shit up um because you can um like um whanaungatanga or you know it's like you just put tanga on the end of something and you've made a new word you know it's like yeah i do understand i do understand what and this is not this is not to say that it's an inferior language but in terms of the law it is it is english is is way you know the fact is our whole society in terms of the law and government is based on it is based on i mean i i actually was having a look at what are the um requirements for somebody getting registered as a nurse the first two requirements are that you can make yourself understood and the second is that you can speak english yeah right so you know um it's you know and i i was i was in a zoom meeting with one of the um bosses uh one of the you know the what you call it bosses um government department bosses they had on they had a whiteboard behind them they had all this you know all in maori teaching teaching people maori they have they can't keep up with their own bloody work they you know people are waiting waiting waiting either in hospitals or in prisons or um or in you know whatever whatever service they're trying to get out of this useless bureaucracy and if you and meanwhile the bureaucrats are spending time having maori lessons at work another distraction yeah well we're and we're paying for it yeah yeah if you want to learn maori bloody will learn it on your own time yeah this is what the union this is this is why the um teachers union got themselves in the nurses unit all this focus funny that don't look over here look over there um you know it's just virtue signaling bloody virtue signaling just mix everything up confuse everybody yeah yeah but most of them don't know anything about the story of the tower of fable no no i wouldn't either actually well it was one language yeah um and then and then you know they they built they got arrogant they built a tower and so god confused all the languages okay that's why we've got different languages yeah but we're all one you know yeah yeah i i see a lot of this in the government departments whereas you know if it's not dead it's gender studies or some other new pc bullshit stuff and you've got people that spend all their day just going to meetings and i'm going well you've now employed twice as many people because you need the other half to do the actual work while the rest are all socializing paying for all that shit yeah yeah another good reason not to oh oh i remember the cases where do you remember the case of the uh the nurse who said i'm not going to do all of this cultural training and she got the sack that was a few years back oh true gotta learn and of course the union wouldn't have stood up for him yeah no yeah very good oh well we better call it a night yep thanks so much liz and good night all thank you see you run bye see you friday