Rap Beef - 2

The speaker is discussing the rap beef between Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole, comparing it to the rivalry between Michael Jackson and Prince. They explain that the beef is not violent and that both artists have respect for each other. The speaker also touches on the competitive nature of rap and how collaborations between rappers were less common in the past. They mention other rap beefs and discuss the disrespect shown in diss tracks. The speaker considers the Tupac and Biggie beef to be the greatest of all time due to the level of disrespect and memorable lines in their diss tracks. And we're back right here on the Undeployment Line. Doc and Larry P talking about rap beef. And we're done with the Kendrick and Cole situation. I know that that is a fluid situation that is currently going on. I want to put this out, though. I want people to understand this rap beef, right? And I mean, we'll go. This would be a good segue into what we're about to get into. But that rap beef, the rap beef between Kendrick and J. Cole is more so a Michael versus Prince beef. It's not a bullets. Nobody going to get in no fight. You ain't going to see no bullets going off. You ain't going to see when J. Cole pull up to Cali, people running up on him. When Kendrick pull up in North Carolina, people running up on him. It's literally two people in two different lanes that's at the top of their game. And neither one of them want to acknowledge that one is better than the other. That's literally what Michael Jackson and Prince. And that's why Kendrick said Prince outlive Mike. But in that diss to whoever he was pointing at, because it seemed like everybody was catching strays. But yeah, Prince outlive Mike. Kendrick may think he's Prince. I'm not saying J. Cole's Mike. But like I said, at the end of the day, those were two different. Neither of them is Mike. Neither one of them is Mike. I don't really think either one of them is Prince. But I just think it's one of those things where they both respect each other. Because if you really look at the history of Kendrick Lamar versus J. Cole, they've been dissing each other since like 2012. And I think, well, that's one thing I want to quickly touch on, is the competitiveness of rap as a sport. So if you've watched any documentaries on the history of rap music or the history of hip hop, you realize it always started off as a competitive type of thing. Rather, it would be the dancing or the DJ battles or the artists, like the rappers. There was always competition in rap. So that's not something that's ever going to go away. It's not like other musical genres. R&B singers sing together. Rock and roll artists perform together. Country music artists perform together. Rappers, like the idea of rappers even collaborating together is a thing that really started like late 90s, 2000s. We weren't like a rap collaboration was like a big deal in the past. You really only rocked with your crew. You wasn't out here rocking with other crews. So yeah, this rap beef between Kendrick and J. Cole, when it's finally said and done, it's not even going to hit the top 15 rap beef of all time. So shout out to HotNewHipHop.com, who's my source, on this. They rank their top 10 rap beefs of all time. And I looked at their top 10, and they top 10 ain't my top 10. They top 10 is also not my top 10, because they left a lot out. Let's go through theirs, and then maybe either this segment or the next segment, we can talk about what they might have missed. But I want to talk about these in particular. I also want to preface this by I'm going to answer it first, and I'll ask you the question. For me, the thing that makes a diss track great is if they say something that I'm going to remember forever, and it normally has to be something very, very disrespectful. If your rap beef don't include that, this ain't really beef to me. Y'all just competing. And once again, as much as many people want to hate, Aubrey Graham, when he, so let's pull over there. Aubrey, I don't know if he's on the list. I'm going to look at the list in a second. Everybody hates on Drake, but if you really look at the rap, the game of rap, there's a category you could put Drake's name in, or you could name a category of rap, and Drake's name is probably somewhere in there. So Drake has both been the villain and the victim in that scenario. So when he was the villain, it's him and Meek Mill. When Drake said to Nicki Minaj in his diss to Meek Mill, make sure you hit him with the prenup, shout out to my boss B's wife in N-words, I was like, oh, he had so many rememberable lines in that. Twitter fingers turning, trigger fingers turning Twitter fingers, is that a world tour or your girl's tour? Because y'all remember Meek Mill was out there touring with Nicki Minaj. You get embodied by a singing N-word. Come on now. Back to back was being played in the club. Bruh, he was. Y'all got to give Drake some respect. Yeah, Drake, his flowers, man. Because Drake went in. Now granted, Meek Mill, it's kind of like if you want to fight somebody, like that one kid that ain't fighting nobody, but then they finally picked the one fight, and they know he ain't going to fight back, and they can win that one. Yeah, Drake did that. He kind of picked on the one person. But then he became the victim. No, no, no. That's not what happened. That's not what happened. Meek responded. It was just like, it was just like, uh, uh, pow. Like, Meek was like, I guess we fight, and we going to slap fight. And then Drake punched him in the face. Yeah, I mean, that's what it was. But that's what I'm saying, because Drake knows, like I say, you know that one person that you can fight and be like, oh, he ain't going to beat me up. But you know if Pusha T come and y'all slap boxing, like, yeah, we going to keep slapping, which, which, I'm not going to punch you, Pusha, which, when we get to the Drake being the victim, when Pusha T said, you are hiding a child. Let that boy come home, Pusha T bullied that man into being a father. Adonis deserves more than an Adidas press run. Pusha T bullied, and I'll never forget that. I'll never forget. Pusha T bullied Drake into being a father. After that, you see Adonis everywhere. Everywhere. That man disrespected Drake and his baby mama. He cleaned her up, but the stench is on her. If anybody says about your child's mother, that ain't good. And allegedly, they say Drake had a song that would have killed Pusha T's career. We don't believe you. We don't believe you, but they say, they say that J Prince told him to put it away. We don't believe you. So according to Hot New Hip Hop, Hot New Hip Hop, the greatest rap beef of all time, which I think this is fairly obvious considering people died, we all know this one, it's Tupac and Biggie. Yeah, Tupac and Biggie. Now, here's my thing. Here's my thing about this rap beef. Now, I'm speaking a little out of school, because at the time that this beef was going on, we're talking like 95. I'm second grade-ish at the time. So I get a lot of this information second hand, third hand, watching documentaries, et cetera, et cetera. But this, I do believe this is the best rap beef of all time. And it is because of the epitome of rap beef. And it is because of the level of disrespect that was shown throughout this beef. With Biggie attempting to take the high road and then realizing I cannot take the high road with this man, he is not going to stop. And Pop being like, no, no, no, you're going to fight me. You're not going to fight me? I'm going to keep getting worse and worse and worse until you do something. Another reason what makes this rap beef the epitome of rap beef, because when you get the diss tracks, there is a consensus of the most disrespectful rap tracks. I mean, rap disses of all time. And it's literally a line drawn between. I know a lot of those Jay-Z and Nas fans are going to probably cut my head off because of this. But yeah, forget them. Ether, I mean not Ether, but No Vaseline and Hit Em Up. And I'm a big, I'm a Tupac fan, so I'm always on the Hit Em Up side. And the only reason I'm on the Hit Em Up side is because of the opening line of Hit Em Up. I ain't got no mother effing friends. That's why I F your B, you fat mother efferent. Whoa, whoa. Like at that point, like, bro, that's the diss track right there. Take money and then use your music to get you. That's the diss track right there, bro. Nothing gets more disrespectful than that. And now people will argue, like, well, the song ain't all that. But the next most disrespectful thing he does after, like, just coming in that hot, is he was like, in the middle of the song, he's just like, you don't even deserve my time. I'm going to bring in random rappers who I think are hanging around in the studio and let them rap on the track. Get out the way, y'all. Get out the way, y'all. But then even what makes it more disrespectful, he opened up with that line. He opens up with that line. And then he just, like, he don't even rap it. At the end of the song, he ain't even rapping. He's just talking. And don't one of y'all got sickle cell or something? I like to visualize how, like, when I hear things being recorded, I like to visualize, what was the studio session like? What did it look like? I feel like the outlaws are in there rapping. And then Tupac just keeps bursting back in. I got something else to say. I got something else to say. Pac, you done recording. Nah, nah, nah. F my D, F Biggie, F Bad Boyz, the staff, record label, and the crew. And if you want to be down with Bad Boyz, F you too. Tino XL, what did Tino XL do? He was naming, bruh, that there, that there alone. It just makes the Biggie and Tupac rap meme. Because at this point, and like you say, like, we kids at the time, so we don't really know what's going on. But if I'm the age that you are, or the age that we are right now, during that time, if I had any question, if Biggie and Tupac was beefing. Oh, yeah, I know. I know now. These are not subliminals. Yeah, like, y'all, yeah, y'all really don't like each other. Because that was the argument, and I decided it was like, oh, well, Biggie ain't really said nothing about it. He did, but it was very much in the vein of subliminals. It was like, I'm going to put it in a song. He know I'm talking to him, I know I'm talking to him, and that's all that matters. Pac was like, nah, nah, nah, fuck that. You remember that scene of Straight Outta Compton after the cops had them on the ground? And then as soon as they got back up, they went into the studio and recorded. At the police, that's the way I visualize, hit them up. Like, something happened between Biggie and Pac, and as soon as it ended, Tupac went to the studio and said, we got to record right now. We didn't even write anything. It don't matter. Y'all better get it right. I'm going to do my first verse right now. I'll be back if I have more to say. And then he opened up with that line, and they probably looked at each other in the studio like, can we say that? I don't think we're allowed to say that. Pac, we're going to need to make an edited version. No! Fuck that. This was at number two, Nas and Jay-Z. Yeah. The ether and the takeover people. I don't disagree with the, I think this is more in the vein of actual rap battling versus rap beef. I think this is more of an argument of who is better. I think the hippity hop hop people will say that Nas is a better rapper. I think the casual fan will say they're more familiar with Jay-Z's work. Just like Kendrick and J.Cole? Now, I am on the side of, and this is a controversial take, I enjoy takeover more than I enjoy ether. Even though I think ether is very good in terms of a diss track, I enjoy takeover more than I enjoy ether. Nas is J.Cole. Hmm. When I think about it, you know how you say snooze? Mm-hmm. That's Nas. Mm-hmm. He he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he. I don't want to disrespect Nas' time, man. My bad. Like, Nas can't take Nas very seriously. Hey, look, hey. I'm not saying everybody got to get a cup of tea. Even Common got fans, y'all. But Larry ain't like, ain't nobody, never in the history of ever, has anybody just been like, man, play that Nas. Play that Nas. He he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he. Nobody be sitting around talking about playing that Nas ever. I don't care what you tell me. But shout out to Nas, yes. He's a good guy. But that's the number two beef. Number three on this list. This is Eazy-E versus Dr. Dre. Now, I don't know what comes after this, but I don't see how you can say this in that immediate, my first thought is where's Ice Cube in this conversation? Right. N.W.A. beefed with each other. The entire N.W.A. I think N.W.A. versus Ice Cube should be higher than Eazy-E versus Dr. Dre. Oh, definitely. In terms of a beef. If for nothing else, that Ice Cube dissed him so strong that they were just like, hey man, we not gonna say nothing back to him. We ain't gonna say nothing back to him. Leave him alone. Right. He came out with a diss track. It was against Dre and Snoop. He was not messing with Ice Cube no more. Nobody wanted to touch Ice Cube. But I mean, at that time, I mean, what? Cube was the better lyricist out of the entire group. Now, I will say, just like Tupac, Ice Cube said some things in No Vaseline that I don't think we can repeat on this show. And that's why No Vaseline and Hit Em Up, like, like I said, it's lying down the middle of like, what's the number one? And then it's like, you know, you can lean on No Vaseline or Hit Em Up, but I think they tied. You gotta make sure you're in the same space. Is this the same space to discuss this? Yeah, I think they tied. All right, so he said, you know what he said. They tied at the top, bro. Number four on this list. Lil Wayne and Birdman. I don't even think that's a rap beef versus more of like a domestic dispute. Have they made up yet? Yeah, I think Birdman paid them. I don't think they cool no more. But I think Birdman finally paid them, man. But here's my thing about this being a, yes, I feel like there's a quarrel, but I don't feel like at any point Lil Wayne ever openly disrespected Birdman on a track. Like I said, I think it was just like a domestic dispute that they had between each other. Lil Wayne has disrespected T on a track, but I don't think he's disrespected Birdman, his daddy. Birdman Jr., who gon' be there? My daddy. Number five on this list. LL Cool J Cannabis. I'm not old enough to appreciate this. Yeah, I know, I'm familiar. Please, don't at me. Big Ellie. The Big Ellie and Cannabis. And I think the biggest thing about this is, people didn't think LL, I don't know why people be trying LL Cool J like he can't rap. Because he wouldn't furry kinkos. But this is historically though, people have come for LL Cool J when he did not send to them. And then LL Cool J has had to pack them up. The way mama said, knock you out. He packed somebody up on that. Squeeze a couple. When we come back. Wait, no, because I want to talk about this next one. When we come back, I'm gonna finish this list and then we'll see what was left off and we'll talk about that. It's the Unemployment Law.