bonus 6 Emileigh CoffeeTea

I think we clicked at the same time, 1, 2, 3. Beautiful. Oh, that's so good. One straight line. All right. Welcome to... Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, y'all. Okay. Welcome to... Liquid History. Bonus episode. Woo, woo, woo. Woo, woo, woo. How are you? Good. This is our first bonus episode in the same room. I'm very excited about this. Yeah. Shout out to... Was it Sarah who... Recommended? Who recommended it? I don't have my phone on me, so... Let me double check. Yep. Sarah, our patrons... Thank you. Thank you, Sarah, recommended History of Coffee. Yes. Tea, because we drink a lot of tea in the studios and coffee. I am on my third cup of the day. When I say cup, I mean big cup. I switched to water now, though, so... That's good. Yeah. It's funny. Last night, when we recorded, we had tea, and this morning when we recorded, we had coffee. Coffee. Coffee. Coffee. Coffee. I will say that in my house by myself to myself. Nice. Nice. Time for some coffee. Coffee. Coffee. Coffee. Coffee. 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So, let's talk about the coffee as a plant. Okay. Unlike the tea leaf, it fucking varies. They could be little bushes. They could be 30-foot tall trees. Okay. I mean, most of them are in the tree form. And we'll get into the two main kinds. But the coffee tree can grow up to 30 feet tall. Typically, they keep them pruned shorter due to production. It's easier to harvest. And I think they do better if they're, like, a little smaller. But each tree is covered in green, very waxy leaves. They grow continuously. So, it's not uncommon for you to see flowers, green fruit, and ripe fruit all on the same tree, which is very interesting. It takes about a year for a cherry, coffee cherry, that's the fruit part, to mature after its first flower and about five years to reach full production of a tree. Wow. Okay. Yep. So, much like tea plants, coffee plants live up to around 100 years. But their most productive years are between the ages of 7 and 20. Okay. So, I don't know if they, like, cut them down and, like, replant at some point. But I guess it depends per tree. The average tree produces 10 pounds of coffee cherry per year, which turns into about two pounds of green unroasted beans per tree. Per year. Per year. I'm drinking a tree's worth of coffee every three weeks. And how many other people do the same thing? That's why I was sitting there, like, shooketh beside you because I was like, it's really putting things into perspective how much coffee I drink compared to how slow these things are being produced. Yeah. On a global scale. On a global scale. And I do have global numbers later. So, the beans that you brew are processed and roasted from the fruit called the coffee cherry. And just an overview of the coffee cherry. I'm going to describe this as best as I can. And I know that the names of these do sound like Pokemon. We are aware of that. It's hilarious. So, the coffee cherry's outer skin is called the exocarp. Beneath that is the mesocarp. And then a thin layer of pulp followed by a slimy layer called the parenchyma. And the beans themselves are covered in like a paper-like layer called the endocarp. And that is more commonly referred to as the parchment. Okay. So, deep down in there. And there are actually some beans that it's like kind of like a walnut where you got two sides. You get two walnuts per casing. You get two coffee beans per cherry. Okay. There are some times where you get one big coffee bean per cherry. And those are like hand-picked out. And those are super bougie, super expensive. Apparently, they like have a better, sweeter, like, flavor to them. I don't know. But all commercially grown coffee is grown in the region of the world called the coffee belt. Okay. And we'll kind of get into where those are. Do you know if the cherry itself is edible? I don't know. It doesn't sound appetizing. It doesn't look appetizing either. It looks like a hard cherry. I would assume, the way that it looks, I would assume it would be kind of like a nut shell. You don't, you probably don't eat it. Okay. So, into like a little bit of the botanical classification, the coffee that we drink can trace its origins to a genus of plant called Coffea, C-O-F-F-E-A. Coffefe. Coffefe. That's what he was talking about. He just really wanted a cup of joe. So, within this genus, there are over 500 generia, or 6,000 species of the tropical plant and shrubs. So, I mean, it varies. It varies. So, experts estimate that there are anywhere from 25 to 100 species of coffee plant. Okay. But, like, a coffee plant is part of this family, and then there's a ton of other. Yeah. So, this genus was first described in an 18th century, like, book by a Swedish botanist, Carlos Linnaeus, who described Coffea Arabica. Oh, my God. Why can I not say Arabica? I know what that word is. He described Coffea Arabica in his Species Plantarum in 1753. Ever since then, botanists have disagreed over the classification. I don't know. There's too much to. Yeah. But, in the commercial setting, other than, like, the small, like, you do whatever you want to do a little. In the commercial setting, there are only two kinds of coffee, and you either get the Arabica. Arabica? Arabica. Arabica. Why do I keep doing it wrong? Arabica and the Robusta. So, varieties of Arabica are Bourbon, Typica, Keturah, Mundo Novo, Tico, San Ramon, San Ramon, and Jamaican Blue Mountains. I like that one. It sounds like a strain of weed. So, these are descended from the original coffee trees in Ethiopia. Okay. So, they produce a fine, mild, aromatic coffee, and they represent 70% of the world's coffee production. In Ethiopia. And some other surrounding. But the original plants were in Ethiopia, but they've spread. Those plants, those family of plants right there. The Kofia Canifora Robusta makes up the other 30% of the commercialized market, and those are typically grown in Central and Western Africa, Southeast Asia, and Brazil. And this Robusta is primarily used for instant coffee and blends. The other one likes to be in, like, higher elevations, whereas this one, as the name kind of hints at, it's a little more robust. It just kind of grows wherever. But the flavor is not as good as the other one. And more robust. The tree's hardier, more resistant to disease, parasites, stuff like that. Makes it easier and cheaper to cultivate. So, that's why it's used for just, like, the cheaper kinds of coffee and the blends. And what was I going to say about that? I don't know. I forgot. It's fine. So, apparently it wasn't important. So, how did coffee grow? It's fine. So, apparently it wasn't important. So, how did this happen? Like, how are we all addicted to coffee? Well, caffeine in general, between tea and coffee. How did this happen? So, on the coffee side, the source said it's not 100% certain, of course. It's kind of like beer. Like, there's speculation. But every source that I found kind of pointed to one story. So, I'm going to tell this one story. So, according to, and it was written down in 1671, but apparently in Ethiopia, there was a goat herder named Kaldi, his last name was Kaldi, that kind of accidentally came across the potential effects of these beans thanks to his goats. Because he noticed that when the goats would eat these plants, they had, like, erratic behavior and they wouldn't sleep at night and they were like, jazz the fuck up. So, he was like, he took some of these and took them to his local monastery and he was like, what the fuck is this? And they made a drink out of it and they realized that the drink helped them stay awake and alert during their evening prayers, which, yeah. So, they were like, this is great. So, it started being used among the monasteries and the monks and they shared it with other monasteries and monks and it kind of stayed like that for a while, a little bit. Okay. So, but it did start spreading, of course. So, that was around 800 CE. So, around 1000 CE, the Arabs? See, I said it wrong one time and now I want to say it wrong every time. I don't know. The Arabs were the ones who really started the, like, production. And they started to grind and roast the beans, probably much like the tea, that they would just, like, boil it in there and then cook for the best. But they're doing it a little different. And maybe it was another way to kind of try to preserve the beans from rotting. Exactly, exactly. Because they're now starting to spread a little bit, but no one's really, like, growing it specifically and stuff like that. They're beginning to. This is the beginning. So, by the 15th century, coffee cultivation and trade was in full swing in the Arabian Peninsula. And it was being grown in the Yemeni district of Arabia. And by the 16th century, it was in Persia, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey. So it kind of, once it got solidified, it just popped off in that area. And coffee was already being sold in coffeehouses. And these were popping up all over the Near East, along with being served in the home as well. And these coffeehouses not only serve coffee, and in some cases tea, like we discussed, but they weren't just like you go in, you get a cup of coffee, and you leave. They had live music. They played chess, which I thought was really funny, because coffee is now, like, it's kind of like the bougie thing. Coffee and tea, how we talked about, like, the beer started. I think it's funny that they said specifically chess, because chess was, like, the sophisticated game. Whereas somewhere at a bar, they're playing backgammon and, like, flipping boards and stuff. But they're like, no, we're sophisticated here. And the patrons. Sophisticated games and sophisticated drinks. Exactly. So the patrons would, you know, engage in this entertainment and play their games and keep up with the town news. So it was like, you know, gossip. Gossip and stuff. Yeah. You've got to spill the tea, you know. And so they became known as, quote, schools of the wise, because that's where you go to gossip. Exchanging of ideas and thoughts. Exactly. So with thousands of people making the pilgrimage to the holy city of Mecca every year, word spread of the, quote, wine of Araby. I don't know why there was a Y there. Sure. So because of this, we're spreading into Europe now. So travelers to the Near East brought back stories of the weird black drink. They're like, I don't know what the fuck it is, but I'm jazzed. So by the 17th century, coffee made its way into Europe, and it wasn't always well received. Some called it the, quote, bitter invention of Satan. I mean, black coffee is pretty bitter. It is. I need at least a little milk in it to help break it up a bit. If need be. I used to drink it just black. Now I have my silk coffee creamer. With your milk homer. Yeah, I know. Listen, it's cheaper than Starbucks. So clergy in Venice actually condemned coffee, and they were – people were mad about it, obviously, because they were like, get out of my coffee. That's how I would act. So Pope Clement, what's V with three I's? Eighth? Pope Clement VIII was asked to intervene, and he was like, well, I'm not going to, I'm not going to like, not yet, baby. It's like, I'm not going to condemn something until I try it for myself. So he took a sip, and this motherfucker was like, this is the most delicious thing I've ever had in my life. So he tasted it, and he was like, yeah, this drink is fine. And he loved it so much, he joked that it should probably be like, should we bless it or something? I feel like we need to, you know, I think this might be like an official drink now. Let's canonize the coffee. Yeah, exactly. That's the word. That's the word. He loved it. He was like, no, it's fine. I'm sure all the clergy were like, bro. So despite the controversy, coffeehouses were spreading like they did before in the East. Yes, babes. Okay, get a snack or go find your father. Well, baby, I can't help you. Go find daddy. Then go find brother. So despite the controversy, coffeehouses were spreading like they had before in the East. And here they were being called penny universities. Oh, I think I've heard of them. Because coffee costs a penny. And you just talk. And you talk and learn. And write ideas and discuss philosophy. And gossip. Gossip. Gossip. So. That's my favorite question. It's serious. Listen, I don't want to be in the drama, but I want to know it. I want to tell you the truth. Tell me. I don't want to spread it around. But, like, I want to know because it's interesting. So coffee began to replace the more common breakfast drinks such as beer and wine. So this is where you start getting. And I'm sure tea was part of that as well. But thanks to this, people realized that, like, if they started their day out with coffee instead of beer, obviously they were going to have a more productive and energized start of their day instead of just, like, being drunk at 8 a.m. You may be getting into this, but isn't this how, like, the enlightenment period happened? I don't bring it up, but it wouldn't surprise me, honestly, because if everyone just stopped drinking so damn much and they were, like, more energized, it would make sense. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't have a point of that. I'm glad you brought that up. But, like. Because I feel like I read something or heard something about, like, they stopped drinking alcohol and started drinking coffee and, like, were discussing ideas and, like. Yeah. It brought on this enlightenment. Yeah. Well, and they had. They went from being in a bar, drinking, you know, things that do not make your mind very clear to drinking something and having engaging conversations, having, you know, thoughts and then spreading those, you know, actually well-thought-out ideas. It would make sense. Yeah. Very much so. And by the 17th century, there were over 300 coffee houses in London. Oh, my God. Coffee, coffee, coffee. Coffee. Coffee. So the New World. We're going to step back just a hair. So by the mid-15th century, New Amsterdam, which is New York now, had coffee. So it had spread to there by the 15th century. Coffee houses, again, began to appear as rapidly as before. And I was laughing to myself yesterday because it was rapidly. I was just imagining, like, them drinking too much coffee and being like the Energizer Bunny and being like, I need more. So they built another coffee shop. And then I need more. And they built another coffee shop. And so then it made me think about the scene in Futurama where Fry drinks, like, the hundredth cup of coffee and goes into, like, hyper speed and saves everyone from fire. Like, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. So, yeah, I was laughing to myself yesterday. So though it was spreading fast, tea was still the primary drink until the Tea Party in America in 1773. That's when the hard switch from tea to coffee went because they're like, fuck you and your tea. Yeah. Yeah. So Thomas Jefferson was quoted saying, coffee, the favorite drink of the civilized world. He was a man of opinions. He was probably playing chess when he said that. Probably. That's how we got all those ideas, just all that coffee. So plantations started to pop up. So Arabian competitors were, like, vying for the spotlight outside of Arabia. So the Dutch, the Dutch finally got their hands on some seeds because they were like, that looks like profit. In the later half of the 17th century, their first attempts to plant in India failed, but they were successful in Batavia, Batavia, Batavia, Batavia, Batavia. So they were successful in Batavia, Batavia, I don't know. They were successful on the island of Java. Okay. In what is now Indonesia, where it thrived. I mean, holy shit, did it thrive. And then they spread their beans to the island of Sumatra. And what did we say? What did you say? Celebes? Celebes. Celebes. Okay, whatever. Celebes. And Sumatra is actually, like, a very popular, like, blend of coffee. It's like the term is thrown around a lot. So in the Americas in 1714, the mayor of New Amsterdam, of New York, presented a gift to a young, presented a gift of a young coffee plant to King Louis XIV. Fourteenth. Fourteenth. Thank you. To King Louis XIV of France. The king then ordered the plant to be planted in the Royal Botanical Gardens of Paris. So for the next nine years, plants just chilling. In 1723, a naval officer named Gabriel de Cleu obtained a seedling from that plant. Do not know if it was given or if it was taken. I don't know. On this voyage with this plant, he not only encountered horrendous weather, somebody tried to sabotage his plans by trying to destroy the seedling, and a pirate attack. He managed to transport it safely to Martinique. Okay. And that's in the Caribbean? I think so. Fun little fact, Nick and I had a boat that was a Martinique. Oh, really? Yeah. Cool. It was a big old boat. We got it for free from some dude in Georgia one day. Just went and picked it up. I don't know why still. Do you still have it? No, we ended up scrapping it. It was like we just took parts of it and then we thought about fixing it briefly, but we didn't. Okay. So once that bean was planted, or that seedling was planted, it was living its best life. The plant, this one plant, is credited to spread over 18 million coffee trees around the island of Martinique over the next 50 years. Wow. Holy shit. It was the perfect environment for that coffee. So it really, coffee loves like a tropical, wet probably environment. Yes. Yes. That seedling was the parent of all the coffee bean trees throughout the Caribbean, South America, and Central America. Oh my God. Yeah, all because the mayor of New York gave King Louis XIV a gift. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So, oh, where were we at? So Brazilian coffee owes its existence to Francisco de Melo Palheira. For the love of Christ. I'll feed them kids. I could have made my peanut butter sandwich. I'm actually feeling so hungry. I know, I'm starting to get a little hungry too. It's almost 1 o'clock. I might, um, we'll see if I'm able to make it. Yeah. I don't know what part of if you want us to get ready by 1230, you're going to have to leave and be quiet. They didn't understand. Okay. So, um, Francisco de Melo Palheira, who was sent by the emperor to... God damn it. Honey! Nick! I don't want to scream now. I need the elevator. Honey. Nick. I'm already asleep. I told you last night it was that loud. I'm sorry. Okay. We don't have much left. I'm trying to finish. I need you to go. Okay. Go, Lily. Please. Okay. Okay. Okay. For the love of fuck, what is... He said, let me heat up the bread. What bread is he heating up? That takes five fucking minutes. That mushy-ass bread. It's going to be like a stone. Ew. Oh, it's the worst. So, okay, so Brazil... I'm just going to start this whole thing over. Brazilian coffee owes its existence to Francisco de Melo Palheira, who was sent by the emperor to French Guinea to get a coffee seedling. But the French were like, no, I'm not giving you my fucking coffee. But the French governor's wife, who thought Francisco looked awfully cute, gave him a large bouquet of flowers before he left, which had a seedling shoved in the bouquet of flowers. And that started what is today a billion-dollar industry. That's insane. That's insane. It's so crazy how, like, the widespread just everything of coffee throughout the coffee belt, like the... Yeah, area. Just around the world, it comes from, like, one plant. Yeah, yeah. That's insane. Because she thought he was cute. It said, quote, she was captivated by his good looks. He must have... Forget it, Francisco. I feel like there's a little bit more going on there than we know about. Who wasn't a French? Oui, oui. So missionaries and travelers, traders, and colonists continued to carry coffee seeds to new lands, and they just started being planted worldwide. And plantations were established in the tropical forests and on rugged highlands, in the mountains, and it just popped off. And they were trying to figure out, you know, some areas were better than others, and new nations were established on coffee economics. Really? Yes. I don't know which ones, but, I mean, just popping off throughout the, like, this would pop up, this would pop up, this would pop up. And, like, some would take, some wouldn't, but, like, the ones that would take... Jesus Christ. I love my family, but shut the fuck up. Okay. So by the end of the 18th century, coffee had become one of the world's most profitable export crops. After crude oil, coffee is still the most sought commodity in the world. Wow. I mean, I believe it's literally addictive, so I sort of understand that. Yeah. By the way, I learned this in school, but this is how caffeine works, and this is how it's so addictive. So, sorry to kind of... No, please tell me. I mean, help. So you have, in your brain, in the neurons of your brain, you have neurotransmitters. Yeah. And these neurotransmitters are receptive only to certain chemicals that come in the brain. Yeah. So there's one chemical called adenosine. Yeah. And adenosine is what makes you drowsy. Mm-hmm. So that's when, and then adenosine comes in, you start getting sleepy, you start getting tired, it's time to go to bed. So what caffeine does, caffeine fits into the neurotransmitters, like, the receptors for adenosine. It's a perfect fit, and it blocks adenosine from going into the receptor of that nerve, like, good neuron. Oh. So it prevents you from getting tired. Oh. And also, that, like, one, it makes you more energized, but it's also, there's also a dopamine effect. Mm-hmm. Because we've talked about dopamine before. And that can create, like, that addictive. So there's literally a chemical change happening in your brain, and that is what helps make it so addictive. Wow. A little neuropsychology lesson for you. Thanks for that. Oh, my God. So I'm just on drugs. I'm just kidding. Basically. So coffee was not always the, like, wasn't well-received everywhere. Mm-hmm. So it was banned in a few places for a while. So in 1511 in Mecca, it was believed to stimulate radical thinking and hanging out. And the governor thought that it would, like, unite his opposition. Oh. That's it. Yeah. Because let's say, like, it got really big because of Mecca. Mecca. It did. And then. But he was like, oh, no, they're, like, hanging out of their right minds. That's not good. And they're talking, and they're going to. Revolt. Revolt. And, like I said, in the 16th century, the pope in Italy was not very, didn't like that. Mm-hmm. In 1623 in Constantinople, Murad IV claimed the Ottoman throne that year. He forbade coffee and set up a system of reasonable penalties. The first offense for drinking coffee was being beaten. That's reasonable. The second offense was being sewn into a leather bag and then thrown into the waters of the Bosporus. Also reasonable. Reasonable. That was just the two. So you're beaten and drowned. Yes. In a horrible way. In a horrible way. In 1746 in Sweden, they not only banned coffee, but coffee paraphernalia, and cops would confiscate your cups and other dishes. King Gustav III even ordered convicted murderers to drink the coffee while doctors monitored them to see how long it took for the coffee to kill them. Which means that the convicts were having a great time and the doctors reported shit. Do you know how much coffee you have to drink for it to kill you? So much. So much. They probably couldn't even make it strong enough to do that at that point. No, I doubt it. Yeah. They were just like... All they needed was the new Panera Bread lemonade. Mm-hmm. That has killed people, by the way. Mm-hmm. So be careful drinking that. That is ridiculously... That should not be out on... No. It should be... Controlled behind the counter. Exactly. Yeah. Oh. I used to work at Panera and I am baffled at what they did. Yeah. And they just, like, literally, I keep seeing signs like, only have one cup. That does not... That does not go with, like, who the company is. Because I do, like, I worked for Panera. I was a manager, catering coordinator, all that. It just does not go with, like, who they are as a company and I'm just baffled by it. That's crazy. And it's so crazy how, like, what thought process it was, like, create something that caffeinated. It doesn't make sense. Like... Have a little bit. Like, it should have a tea's worth or maybe a coffee's worth. Like, you gotta dilute it. Yeah. Like, mix it with water or something. Or just don't put that much caffeine in it. You shouldn't put that much caffeine in it in general. Anyway. Yeah, seriously. Very careful. Caffeine is definitely a certain level. Yes. So, in 1777, in Prussia, Frederick the Great of Prussia issued a manifesto claiming beer superiority over coffee. He said that coffee interfered with the country's beer consumption. Not... Well, I mean, I'm sure there were other underlying things. But it was quoted that, quote, his majesty was brought up on beer. And that was his explanation. So, I'm sure there was, like, taxes and stuff like that, too. But also he was like, well, in my day, I grew up drinking beer. So, everyone should drink beer. Yeah. Yeah. So, a little bit about espresso. Coffee, but faster. Okay. So, Luigi Bezzera was the inventor of espresso. And he lived in Venice, Italy, in 1903. So, he owned a manufacturing business. And he was just really irked about how long it took to make a cup of coffee. So, he was like, how do I do this faster? So, he discovered that adding steam pressure to the machine not only cut the time in making the coffee, but made it stronger. So, he named the machine fast coffee machine. Fast coffee. Isn't that what espresso is? Yes. And the Italian word for fast is espresso. So, the name stuck. And his marketing wasn't that great. And in 1905, he met with Desidero Pavoni, who purchased the machine's rights and had it patented. And then almost immediately, Pavoni's name became associated with espresso. But Bezzera and Pavoni actually worked together after that to improve the machine. And after two years, they created the Idele, which was released in 1906 at the Milan Fair. So, I'm assuming that would be one of the world fairs, I guess. Okay. The Milan Fair. Sure. So, after this release, Pavoni took charge of the business and went solo. The machine was then branded with the name espresso and was advertised as being able to produce 1,000 coffees per hour. How hard would you have to work to do 1,000 coffees in an hour? Frantic. Frantic. It was far from perfect. So, his competitors saw the opportunity to improve. So, then, you know, it spread. And Akhil Gagia was an inventor, and he created the machine that had the, like, spring loaded that would increase the pressure from 1.5 to 2 atmospheres to 8 to 10 atmospheres. I don't know exactly what that means, but it seems like a big jump. And that was in 1938. And this was the first iteration of, like, the modern-day espresso machine. Okay. And we're almost done. Let's just do some facts about the coffee industry, coffee in general. So, it's $100 billion industry. I believe it. And growing. The second largest trade commodity in the world, like I said, after crude oil. American coffee drinkers, on average, drink 3 1⁄2 cups a day. I am average. 400 million cups of coffee are consumed in the U.S. daily. How many? 400 million. So, I think there's, like, 300 million people in the U.S. Yeah. And not all of them are drinking coffee because some are the children, some just don't drink coffee. Wow. Yep. Coffee is ranked the number two most consumed beverage in the world. So, I guess number one would be tea. Yeah. Yeah. Coffee farms are the economic livelihood of over 25 million people in the world. Worldwide, we drink 500 billion cups a year. There's 7 to 8 billion people on this planet. Like, that's insane. Over half Americans over the age of 18 drink coffee daily. And coffee is the source of 75% of America's caffeine. Over tea and even energy drinks and anything like that, it's coffee. Coffee shops are the fastest-growing niche in the restaurant business. I mean, how many in Cleveland alone? I just gave away where I lived. It's fine. In your town. In my town. In my town alone, how many, like, coffee shops do we have? Oh, my gosh. Like, 10? I mean, I'm just thinking of Nashville. Yeah. Oh, my God. Probably as many breweries as there are coffee shops. Yeah. And then you think about, like, other places like Boston. Yeah. And probably New York and even bigger cities. Yeah. I cannot imagine. There's one on every corner. Seriously. Seriously. At least a Starbucks on every corner. Everybody's got their own, like, favorite coffee shop, I feel like. So Finland drinks the most coffee per capita in the world. It's just that America is bigger, so we drink more. But per person, it's Finland. Fair trade coffee is the most popular fair trade commodity in the world. And of the 50 countries, this is sad, of the 50 countries with the highest deforestation rates between 1990 and 1995, 37 of them were coffee producers. Yeah. So, again, putting it into perspective, how much my addiction is probably not that great for the world. Yeah. Yeah, and then this isn't – this is just kind of something that I've picked up just from consuming media. Like, coffee producers aren't really paid that much for the work that they do. Yeah. And, like, when manufacturers, I guess, buy the coffee wholesale, they don't pay the farmers that much. Like, they keep the farmers in poverty so they'll continue to try to grow as much as they can, you know. And then they sell it to us for exorbitant prices, way more than I'm sure it costs to produce. Oh, yeah. I watched a segment about chocolate not too long ago, and it's very similar in the industry, where chocolate farmers are not paid nearly enough to survive on. Bullshit. Yeah, and then you come across, like, the deforestation. Like, the farmers want to try to increase their profit because they're not being paid a lot to then deforestation. You know, it's hard, you know, and this isn't our fault. No. And it's kind of a hard thing when you're trying to live an ethical life and you want to try to have as least impact on the world as possible. If it's something you care about, that kind of stuff is not in your control. Exactly. You can choose to stop drinking coffee if you want, if that is something that is up to you. But, again, like, you are not the cause of all the stuff that's going on. Yeah. In the world, it's a systemic thing. And I think, like, the fair trade coffee, I feel like if you have the option and the means to go that route, I think those are good options to try to at least, you know, help where we can and do the best that we can. But I don't think I could stop drinking coffee at this point. It would be very hard for me to stop. So that's not an option. Sorry. No, it's okay. I'll try to get fair trade coffee. Make me feel better at least. Yeah. And, again, like, you have nothing to do with how the industry is run. Right. Right. And, I mean, we could do things about it as far as, like, passing different laws and doing stuff like that. And making sure farmers are being paid what they should be paid. Yeah. But that takes time. That takes time and a lot of work and effort. I'm not saying that isn't going on, but it just takes time. So drink the coffee. Yeah. And just be smart about it. Yeah. Don't drink too much, though. Stay away from Panera's lemonade. Yeah. My God. Yeah. I think, like, four or five people have died. Yeah. And the fact that it's still out there. Yeah. They didn't pull it from shelves and people died. What is that? Anyway. This is not a news podcast. No. As someone who worked for the company and actually was very happy working there, I only quit because I was pregnant. Yeah. It just baffles me that they would not pull that. Yeah. Wild. Absolutely wild. Well, we have a sign. Well, and I understand, like, their mindset of, like, well, we have the coffee. They have unlimited coffee sitting out there. But the coffee isn't as caffeinated. No, not near as caffeinated. You're, like, drinking just regular coffee, you'll start, like, your body will start expelling the coffee before you get the lethal amount. Yes. Whether it's through, like, urination or vomiting, whatever it is, your body is, like, going to be, no. Yeah, I get the cold sweats if, like, I drink too much caffeine. Yeah. But. And your body won't let you. Yeah. To an extent. But that charged lemonade is too much caffeine and you have no idea. Yeah. Your body has no idea until it's too late. Yeah. Until your heart's like. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-mm. Is that her sign off, stay away from Panera Lemonade? Yeah. Oh, my God. Drink it in an espresso cup. Yeah, seriously. I feel like my nine shots of espresso over a 10-hour shift was healthier than that lemonade. Mm-mm. I mean, it took me a while to get up to that point, but I was also not sleeping. Yeah, you're going through a lot. You're going through it. I was at full-time in college, working full-time, and also somehow having a social life. Mm-mm. And something had to give, and it turned out to be a caffeine addiction. Mm-mm. So, yeah, we're not doing that again. Yay. Yay, college. Okay. So, you know, you know where to find us next month? Yeah. On our bonus episodes. Yes. We're going to think of our idea for the bonus episode. Yeah. If you have any ideas, let us know. Hit us up. Okay, I guess, okay, bye? Yeah. 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