MG240 Podcast

Four friends discuss their rankings and thoughts on four TED Talks. They discuss their personal rankings and reasons behind them, including the content of the talks and the speakers' attitudes. They mention the importance of relatability, actionable steps, and scientific evidence in the talks. They specifically discuss the TED Talk by Kelly McGonigal about making stress your friend. They mention her interactive style, the concept of changing thoughts, and the use of scientific evidence. They also discuss their personal opinions on stress and its effects on health. They rate the speaker, the topic, and discuss whether they would use the information in their own lives. Hi, I'm Zoe. Hi, I'm Lexi. Hi, I'm Gia. Hi, I'm Erika. And today, we're going to be talking about all four of the TED Talks given to us by our amazing professor, Valerie Sullivan. What we're going to be talking about today is not only the four TED Talks that we all watched in our own time, but how we personally ranked them. And we may agree, and we may not. Yeah, sounds good. So let's start with listing our rankings, and then we'll go through the podcast one by one and talk about why we ranked them that way. Do you want to go first, Zoe? Yeah. So for the first one, I did the Kelly McGonigal podcast, which was How to Make Stress Your Friend. For number two, I did the Dan Gilbert podcast, The Surprising Science of Happiness. And then number three for me was the Laurie McGraw, We Still Have Too Few Women in Leadership, Now What? And then my fourth was Dan Harris, The Benefits of Not Being a Jerk to Yourself. That's actually really funny, because Dan Gilbert is my number one. Laurie McGraw is my number two. Dan Harris is my number three. And Kelly is my bottom one. Honestly, I'd say mine went in order of the list that she gave. So it went Kelly, Dan Harris, Laurie, Dan Gilbert. But I also know I just started losing interest as I went through them. That's so valid. See, mine is actually backwards. I started spinning out. Mine's pretty similar. Mine's Dan Gilbert, and then Dan Harris, and then I put Kelly, and then Laurie. So Laurie was also last for me. Really? Yeah. We have really differing ones. OK, I see. I was kind of expecting us to have similar ones. Yeah. Did you guys go off based on the content of the TED Talk, or the speakers' attitudes? I did both. I did all of them. Or just what's most relatable to me. Yeah, exactly. One thing that I kind of utilize is I ask myself, will I use this in my life now? Will I implement this? And to be honest with you, it didn't really affect the number that I gave the rating. But it made me think about it more. The ones that I spent more time thinking about, I think I ranked higher. Yeah, also the ones that give more actionable steps are helpful for me. Anything that I relate to, and they give me steps on how to improve it. I would rather, instead of them just saying their own experience and how they fixed it, I want actual evidence and how I should do it. I like how a lot of them used the studies, too. Like, specifically in the notes that I had, I wrote study, comma. Like, this is what was talked about in the study. This is some of the information that stood out to me. Those ones were my one and two. The Kelly and the Dan Gilbert, because those both were scientific papers just said in colloquial terms and explained really well. Yeah. All right, do we want to get started talking about Kelly, then, even though she's my boss? Yeah. Sorry, Kelly. Kelly's my top girl. Yeah, love her. All right, so first off, I would say Kelly was interactive with the crowd immediately. She's making people laugh. Yeah, and she opened by saying that people believe stress is the enemy, which I kind of can agree with. So it made me have an open mind towards hearing her position. Yeah, definitely. She gave some actionable steps, but most of hers was like changing your thoughts. There's a type of therapy called cognitive behavioral therapy that's all about taking your thoughts and spinning them in a more positive light or changing your thoughts. And so that actually is scientifically proven to help you. Every time you get that, you correct it, too. Like, this is my body helping to rise to this challenge, which is the quote from her TED Talk. I thought it was really nice how she kind of gave those, gave those, yeah, that's a word, gave us scientific evidence. She talked about the blood vessels changing based on your reaction to stress. And realistically, I think the reason this is my bottom is just because I completely agree that heart health is important and that stress sucks. But it really is hard for some people to change their mind, because not everyone has access to that type of therapy that you were talking about. Kind of the same thing with the TED Talk that we watched in class about the, oh, anxiety is all in your head. Oh, yeah, it is in your head. Like, sometimes it was everything. So it's kind of hard to get out of your head. But I completely agree. Like, I think that spinning your view on it is really important. Like, for example, I'm so prone to anxiety. I am literally, like, so anxiety ridden that I'm like a little chihuahua. Like, I'm constantly shaking. So like, me being like, oh my god, stress is awful for me. Like, it puts so much strain on my heart. Her being like, oh, it's like, it's just trying to energize you. I'm like, yeah, that's a good way to think about it. I'm physically sick, so. Yeah. I thought it was really interesting how she talks about oxytocin and how that literally makes you social. Cuddle hormones. Yeah. Who would have thought that it primes you to, like, strengthen your relationship? That's wonderful. And it makes it OK to want to reach out, which I think is important. But personally, I don't know if that's something that I like to do, like reach out. So I felt a little bit disconnected from it. But it also did, like, reinforce me that it's OK to reach out if I have to. I don't know. I think it also, I liked how she talked, how she used oxytocin not only to seek support for yourself, but notice when other people need support. That is, see, I agree with you. I also disconnect, because it's hard to ask for help. Sometimes it makes you feel weak. It makes you feel vulnerable. And you kind of find select people to be vulnerable with. But, like, bringing support, I think, is one thing where I really shine. Yeah. When we talked about our strength finders, especially. Yeah. Being a caretaker is a way to, like, you know, make, like, your stress, if something happens to you, if something, like, if you're having a hard time, like you're grieving, sometimes helping other people who grieve and other people who are struggling is helping you with your own internal grieving. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she said that. Like, exactly. Like, changing your view on stress. And, like, people who had a lot of stress but cared for people at the same time showed, like, no increased risk of dying. And I thought that was really cool. What I kind of, like, at the end of it, what I thought of was, my question was, how does this relate to, like, stress-inducing, like, antidepressants that we use around the country? Because I know, for me, I'm on Lexapro. And, like, if you just tell your doctor you're anxious, like, they'll immediately just give you medicine. Yeah, they keep you. Yeah, I'm on paroxysm. Yeah. So it's, like, how does that, what she's saying, like, contradict just dulling out anxiety and all those hormones by just giving people medicine? That's also kind of my same argument. Like, I remember arguing in class about that other one where it was like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. It's like, oh, it's in your head, whatever. Yeah, like eight and a half to nine. The only thing I didn't like, she's a little cringy. Yeah. She's very animated, but she's very engaging. But maybe too much. I don't know. That brings me to the next one of the speaker rating. I gave her a nine out of 10. I agree. That was kind of holding me back, is her cringiness. I think she had a hard time placing her jokes. But once she hit them, she hit them. Especially talking about cardiovascular health and dying because the stress is not really a good thing to be like, ha ha, people died. Yeah. And she also was weirdly proud when the guy came on stage at the end. It was like, really good job. She's like, yeah. You know? But I will say she did not miss a beat at all. Even answering the question, she did not stumble. Yeah, I agree. What would you guys rate her speaker experience? Out of a scale of 10. With the crowd? In general, yeah. You can do both. I'll give her a nine. Yeah, I'll give her a nine. Yeah, I gave her a nine. And then the general topic, I gave it a seven out of 10. It's not a bad topic. It's just not something I would kind of immerse myself with. Six because I don't believe it. So you don't think stress has a negative effect on your health? I don't think that stress is a good thing. Yeah. She wants us to like it. I don't think anyone's going to like it. Fair enough. I just think it's inevitable and people handle it differently. So I'm going to give it a seven. Yeah, I like the idea that stress is a good thing because I've always learned that stress is like what kills you. And I'm just stressed all the time. It makes me feel better that I can turn it around and be like, you know what, this is my body helping myself. And then maybe I won't die as early. What would you rate it, Zoe? I'd give it like an eight, maybe a nine. Nice. And then would you guys use this in your life going forward? You personally? You think so? I will. I'm going to try it at least. I think I would think about it. Like it's not something that I'm like super gung-ho about and like eventually like fall off and never use again. But I would give it a try. Like if I had like a structure for it, I would. I guess, just like absorb it. Yeah. That's your reality. Yeah. I think I kind of knew that stress is a way of like helping myself and protecting myself. But I'll remind myself of that more. I said, yeah. All right. So we'll talk about the next TED Talk with Dan Harris. The benefits of not being a jerk to yourself. What did you guys think? Immediately, I was like, oh my god. I know this guy from the news. I feel safe. I feel safe. Like I was like, I've met this guy before. I haven't actually, but I know him. You know, it's actually really funny. I was watching this, and my boyfriend was like, oh my god. He was a news anchor. And he had to look it up. He was like, I want you to know that I'm right. Like he literally was like, I know him. And then as I got further into the talk, he goes, you know I was an anchor on like the ABC News for however many years. And he was like, see, I told you. So I agree with you. Like knowing his face kind of made it more reputable, I think. Also, I think it takes a lot of guts to have that reputation and then come out and say, hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To be completely honest, I was like, oh, it's cool that he's a news anchor. And like I get why it's so stressful. But he didn't really give a lot of other advice other than like meditate. And that he was an asshole to himself. He was literally. He was like, I'm a narcissist. I hate everyone around me. Like if you're not as good as me, you're like, if you're not as cool as my demons, you don't get to be around me. And I fixed it through meditation. No, you didn't. And I gave my hand over my heart. I'm here for you, sweetie. No, the problem, I thought he was very engaging. I will say, I thought he was super funny. So I did enjoy it. I gave him a, he's my second guy. Yeah, he's my second guy too. But the part that just bothered me was when he like puts his hand over his chest and says, it's okay, sweetie. And he's like, I'm not gonna do that. I obviously had to say like, it's okay, dude. Yeah, masculinity. Yeah, come on. Like just stick with what you're saying, you know? I'll say not only that, but I didn't really like fudge was it? He kind of, he's like, oh, I bunched up like meditation with like spirituality and like auras and stuff like that. And I'm like, you don't get to hate on other stuff just because it's not your vibe. I totally understand that that is not you because you don't look like that type of person. But like, I feel like hating on other people is just further cementing like your narcissistic personality and you haven't come out of the water completely yet. He was also talking about how traditional treatment like isn't helpful. He was kind of saying it as like an absolute, like I went to a therapist, I tried to work on myself. I went to counseling and like, he went to all those other alternatives and nothing worked except for a seven day retreat in which he meditated or nine day retreat. He had to go sit in a silent retreat and cried in this lady's arms or something. I think that's why it's not good advice because really expensive process. No one, your average person isn't gonna do that. Your average person is not gonna do that. But I do think like personally, I battle with my inner demons and the way I talk to myself. So I did respect like how he was able to have a good reputation with what's going on in his head. So I think personally, I can take some stuff away. But yeah, I don't know. How did you guys feel about the toilet vortex and the cheesy upward spiral? I get it. Good drawing. I get it. I thought they were cute. Like he was like, oh, these suck. It's a horrible drawing, whatever. I thought, like honestly, I didn't get the toilet vortex at work at first, not at work, because I thought it just meant poop. Like I was like, okay, toilet, cool, whatever. And then as he explained, it's like, oh, when you feel shitty and you act that way towards other people, it's only gonna bring your relationships closer down the drain. And I was like, well, that makes sense. I mean, you're not being very nice to the people around you and you're not being nice to yourself at first. So once you slip that slippery slope, you take all your relationships down with you. What I don't like is how I called it the cheesy upward spiral, because I mean, it's not cheesy to be nice to me. Nice to be nice to your wife, be nice to your kids, be nice to your colleagues. I was thinking, have you guys heard that theory online that it's like men lack basic empathy until someone shows them what empathy is and really sits down and explains it to them and puts them in a situation in which they have to know empathy, and women are kind of able to learn it more and are kind of put in caretaker positions and positions where they have a lot of emotional stress on them from a very early age, and men just don't get it for a while. I know a ton of kids our age and a ton of boyfriends our age that lack so much empathy. And it's awful. It's really awful. I don't mean to make this a men-hating podcast, but it's really hard for men to, because they just, I mean, it's literally scientifically proven that men mature at a later age than, I think it's like 30 or something for men. But for women, it's like 20-something, I'm pretty sure. It's early 20s. It's early 20s, latest is like 25, which sucks because, I mean, that's the society that we're put in. I mean, we're gonna talk about it later with Lori, but unfortunately, women just have to go through so many obstacles. They just have to be empaths, and if you're not, then you're labeled as a B-word and other things, and you're just not nice. All right, so I think with all this men-hate we had, we should move into Lori, but let's do a quick rating of Dan. Yeah, so the information, I thought was a seven out of 10. I don't, like, I mean, he had a good, a lot of the polar vortex and the cheesy upward spiral, but I think that was about it. Yeah, I'd give it a seven, too, just because I personally don't believe in meditation, but I'm also just not in that mindset right now, so maybe one day. I'd give it an eight. I think there was some valuable things said in there, but I think I could take some stuff away about my own personal battle in my own head, yeah. Yeah, this was my least favorite one. I just, like, it really irked me, but I'm gonna hit it with a five out of 10. I really didn't do that. That's not bad. Yeah, it's not that bad. Speaker, I gave him an eight out of 10. I think he was a little bit more interactive, and I think his jokes hit a little bit better than Kelly's. Yeah, absolutely. I'd also give him an eight out of 10. Like, he was a news anchor. He knows how to speak. He had a very confident stance, good hand movements. Actively engaging the audience and making them laugh, so as a speaker, I did not like him. Yeah, no, he was a great speaker. I'd give him a nine. I think I was laughing the whole time. Yeah, I really was. The only thing I noticed was, like, the audience didn't know when to laugh. Like, sometimes he was like, that wasn't supposed to be funny. No, but I think he was, like, making a joke out of it, though. Like, he was just, like, improv, and I don't know. I thought it was good. I thought it was good, yeah. Let's move on, shall we? Hold on. Will you guys use this in your life? No, I'm not meditating, personally, but. I said maybe to probably. I think I would like to start meditating, because she talked about it in class, but realistically, I don't see myself sitting in a corner and being like, I love you so much, talking to my cat, and then take a picture of myself and be like, I love you so much. I actually, ever since it was brought up in class, like, how good meditation can do. Yeah, I, for the last 30 days, me and my boyfriend, every single night, have been doing a 10-minute meditation. That's awesome! Honestly, I don't know, you guys. Nice! It's life changing. Maybe I'll try it tonight. Why not? What do you think, Yaga, would you use this? Yeah, I do. Only because, like, being on a sports team, too, I, there are people on my team that irk me, if I'm being so honest. And that's why I feel like if I channel my inner, like, okay, I hope you are happy, safe, and healthy, like what he was saying, that'll help me to, like, respect them more. Not that they don't respect my teammates, but just like. Let me get rid of some stuff. Yeah, or if someone's playing over me, for example, like, I'll be, like, I can just look through that. Be happy for them. Yes, exactly. So, yes. Perfect. All right. Let's move into Lori, our little feminist. Love it. We still have few women in leadership. No shit, Lori. Yeah, when she was dropping those facts on us, like 57% of undergraduate degrees are women, 60% of master's degrees are women. But where are the jobs? Where are the positions? Like, I'm literally in a management, my major is management for a reason. Like, I wanna be up there. I wanna be, like, helping people, getting the Lexi Mack name out there. Yeah, I went to two seminars last week for the Women's Leadership Program, where in both seminars, we talked about closing the confidence gap. And she was talking about, remember, she had that picture of the ladder, talking about the gap between confidence. We actually had that in the slideshow as well for Lori's seminar. But the whole time, we were just like, men are so overconfident. Like, they're gonna apply for a job that they have, like, about 50% of their skills for, whereas women won't even apply if they don't meet every single one of the requirements. But I think that's better. Like, we're, like, more atypical. Like, we're like, we might as well be completely prepared, and they're like, let's just go for it and try it out. Yeah, but that's giving us. And then they win, I know. Yeah, they are winning, and we're not. I think that's the thing that sucks. Yeah, go, go, go. No, no, no, go, go. I think that's also the thing that sucks is because it's, like, so stereotypical that men get these big jobs, that it's easier. We just don't try. Not even don't try, but, like, in these positions, like, as much as they don't want to say it, they're gonna be looking at the, like, do you answer male or female in your, like, non-voluntary self-identification agreement? Like, they're definitely looking at that, and they're seeing how it's gonna play into the team of the people they already have. The problem with this is that I do think women need more confidence, obviously, but it's just so hard. Absolutely. It's like, you can tell us that confidence is liquid gold and everything like that, but, like, you can't just tell someone to be confident. Like, there has to be more to it. You know what I mean? That's the only thing I felt was wrong. No, I completely agree. I feel like you can't put the blame on the women that have already been, like, suppressed in this environment. Like, yes, we need more confidence, and yes, we need to ask more questions, but how am I supposed to go up to my boss who just gave my male counterpart a promotion and be like, I deserve that promotion, and then him be like, well, do you? And then I'm like, are you, like, you're undermining my confidence. I already feel like crap. It's hard. Like, you can't just expect me to be undergrown in this area and then expect me to flourish in, like, unnatural soil. And even her teacher, who is a female, right? Her teacher said, like, you're not gonna get this right about the, like, engineering, I think. So there's just that stereotype as it goes, so I don't know. I just think this topic is stale. Like, women need more confidence, ask for what you want, and more mentors. You could have all those things and still not get your way. It's stale. That's what the Women's Leadership Program at Bentley's trying to do. It's show you mentors, give you more confidence, and get you to ask. But a lot of the time, they give you these presentations and they show you the stats, and they give you no actionable steps. That's the thing. I mean, they gave no action. It kind of, it made me, like, it's like, yeah, I need more confidence, but, like, what can I do to gain my confidence in these professional settings? What can I do to ask what I need? What if I don't even know what I need and I'm just feeling underrepresented? Like, it's hard. Like, I like how she spoke, and I like her topic. It's a really nice topic. It's something that I'm really passionate about because there aren't a lot of women in the workforce, and especially at Bentley. Like, we can definitely see, like, the divide between men and women, but how do we bridge that gap in the issue? I felt like she wasn't talking to the people who are struggling. Like, she was, but a lot of the time, she was talking to people who need to be mentors, to people who need to step up in the workplace and represent themselves, and not so much, like, if you're just going to this field, like, try and find yourself a mentor. It's like, no, people need to step up and be mentors. Like, these women aren't. I did like that. Yeah. Like, men, you can help, too. Like, you're not worthless in this fight. Like, if you want to make a difference in this position, like, do it. Don't be a loser. Yeah. All right, so let's rate this quickly. Information. I'd say seven. Like a six. Yeah, I'd say like six and a half, I'd say. I'm gonna say like six and a half, seven, too. Speaker, I'm gonna give her an eight. She wasn't as interpersonal as the other two. I feel like she was a little bit more stoic, which is not bad, but it kind of made it harder to listen. She definitely took more of a serious approach to this, and a sense of urgency was definitely there, but I'm gonna give her an eight. Yeah, I'd say about the same. She didn't come off as, like, someone who gives these big presentations very often. It's like, obviously, she's a great speaker, but I didn't really see any evidence of, like, she's a spectacular speaker. Yeah. Like, the other two were such good speakers. It was more like a presentation. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I felt like I was in, like, a lecture, to be honest with you, yeah. And then, will you implement this in your guys' lives? Don't know how. Yeah. I don't know how. She didn't give us a game plan. She just told us to unlock our potential. The only reason I would, probably, is to be a mentor. I liked the quote where she was like, there's a special place in hell for women who don't have other women. Yeah, yeah. I love that. Like, I wanna be a woman that helps other women. I wanna be a girlie's girl. Yeah, yeah. You know? Be a girl's girl, everybody. Be a girl's girl. If you're not, you're a hater. Nothing wrong with it. On to Dan. The other Dan. Dan, too. The surprising signs of happiness. This was my favorite. This was my second favorite. This one went right over my head. And that's completely okay. I will say, at the beginning, I was not on board. I was like, where is this going? It's hard to follow along with science and the brain. But then it got interesting. I actually was intrigued from the beginning a little bit because I took a class on motivation over the winter. The last winter, I guess. And it was really enticing to see how this kind of, he reminded me and my professor, actually, how it correlated, like, your brain, your synapses, and your happiness. And I was like, because I took a class on motivation. And I was like, wow, this is actually kind of cool. Yeah, I actually really did like the science. He was talking about how we use the prefrontal cortex to develop simulations of the future. I love that. And I do it so often. And I know the simulations of the future are wrong sometimes because I've had some where I've been like, this is gonna be the worst thing ever. I'm gonna hate it. And then I've done it, and I've been like, I guess it wasn't that bad. I like when you talk about the impact bias because stuff like that, especially as a person with anxiety, it is so bad. I sometimes don't even wanna go to class. And it has literally no impact on my life. I'm like, I just don't wanna go. And I'm like, well, if I don't go, nothing happens. If I do go, I learn something. Yeah, it sucks. I like the talking about how options make us crazy between with the drawings because honestly, I'm the most indecisive person ever. And I will think about a decision after the fact. I'll be like, oh, I should've got that other blanket. Like, I'm literally just gonna cry about it. It reminded me of the fear of knowing, honestly. The fear of knowing that you can have the choice. Like, for example, when they're talking about the pictures, them thinking about what their life could've been like if they'd taken the other picture, kind of envisioning it. I feel like having that opportunity is similar to the fear of knowing. It's like fear of what did I miss out on? It's like a FOMO. Yeah. I also like the fact that he talks about how synthetic happiness can be real. Exactly, yeah. Because a lot of times, people are like, smile until you feel happy. If you're smiling, if you're, of course, there's always the pretending to be happy, but you're actually depressed, and that's always an issue. Like the commercials for depression with the happy face. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yes, that is an issue, and it's very prevalent. But I like the fact that if you do things that are happy, or you're trying to be happy, and it feels fake to you, that it actually does come off as real happiness. Like, you can make happiness from that. And it gives me hope that even when I'm not happy, or having times where I just feel hopeless, like, I can make my own happiness, and it doesn't have to be the most authentic, from deep within me, happiness. See, honestly, like him saying that kind of reminded me of my own experiences, personally. Because I mean, like he said, you don't always get what you want, and you kind of have to live with how you are. And that's kind of how I've kind of tried to morally live my life, is you don't always get what you want. You have to live your life and make the best of it. And if you don't make the best of it, it's gonna suck. Yeah, I think that's just a valuable lesson. Or the examples he was giving about that guy that spent how many years in prison? Yeah, like 37 years. Yeah, just like, happiness can be synthesized. And even if you don't get what you want, there's still room for happiness. And I really enjoyed that. Because it's similar to the regret one. I'm not gonna spoil it for you. But he was like, if you wallow in it, it's not great. But if you also over-hyper-focus on it, it's not great either. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. But yeah, that one was definitely my favorite. My favorite quote from that, I actually had two. The first one was obviously a little bit more. Information was, we have within us the capacity to manufacture the very commodity as we are constantly chasing what we choose to experience. And then my other favorite was, hear the heart of gold, don't touch the fruitcake. I think that actually made me snort laugh. I thought that was so funny. But we can go ahead and rate it if you guys are ready. Yeah, I'm ready. The information for me was a seven out of 10 because yeah, he gave some science behind it. But I think he was more interactive with the crowd than he was trying to be like, science, science, science, your brain. Neurological stuff. I have to give it a six just because the moment you talk about science, you lose me. Honestly, yeah, I'm not a science person. That's valid. I don't get it. I'm not a natural science person. The brain is cool, but not that cool. I would give it an eight. Same. I liked it. This was my second favorite. I really genuinely did enjoy this one. For the speaker, I gave him a 10 out of 10. I loved him. I thought he was so funny. He kind of reminded me, like I said, of the professor I took over the winter and my grandfather. That's a nice blend. I thought it was really, really nice because he just kept making me giggle. Seven. It looked like old content, so I couldn't. Yeah, that's fair. I would give him a nine and a half. I thought he was so smart. Just even the words he was using, I don't know. I think it was a little funny and engaging. I'd say nine and a half. I'd say probably nine and a half, too. I really liked him. I thought that he explained, I like the science, and I thought the science was explained really well, and it was really interactive, and I enjoyed that. I would give the topic a nine out of 10 because, I mean, you can't go wrong with happiness. You know what I mean? The science lost me a little bit because I'm not a huge science guru, but I mean, I liked it overall. Yeah, I'd give it an eight. I'd give it a nine. Yeah, and then how would you guys use this? I don't know. That is the one issue I have with this. I don't know how he said to implement it because, honestly, I see myself already doing it. It's like, oh, just be happy with what you've got. I mean, you're taught that from a young age. My siblings always say you get what you get and you don't throw a fit. I don't know how to further implement that as a 20-year-old person. I think it's just pulling yourself out of the surface sadness and doing little things that you can't like. Today, I bought flowers and apple crisp, yum. You don't have to stay in the trenches. Yeah, I'm happy now. Find the good, find the happiness, even if you think you made the wrong decision or something. The trenches. And don't wait for other people to make you happy. Yes. Make yourself happy. Great. That's it, folks. That was a really productive conversation. Yeah, I had so much fun. We could all be podcasters. Even though we all don't agree on our rankings because Dan Gilbert, number one. Number one. But we're still table mates forever. Still table mates. And I think this was, like you said, a really productive conversation. I learned a lot. I'd like to thank Professor Sullivan for assigning this as our sponsor for today. Thank you, Valerie Sullivan. Please check into her podcast, Top Health. Number one podcast on the market right now. Highly recommend. Would love to be a host on that. Yeah. Built in this very same facility. Wow. All right, bye guys. Bye.