Ep 69 UCO

The transcription is a conversation between two people discussing various topics. They briefly mention the podcast "Killer Psych" and talk about their thoughts on the Gypsy Rose case. They also mention their upcoming paranormal investigation at the Masonic Lodge in Cleveland, Oklahoma. Towards the end, one of them shares a spooky story about the University of Central Oklahoma, which was established in 1891. Oh, how many times are we going to have to do that today? Hi, I'm Jess. And I'm Tiff. And we're your curious cousins. Where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma. Welcome to episode 69. Welcome. How are you? I'm good. I keep hitting my mic. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's like I'm getting over a stomach bug or some food poisoning or something. I don't know. I don't know. No one else in my family is sick. So I'm pretty sure it must have been maybe food poisoning. I don't know. Maybe a combination of things. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. So I'm dreading this weather. Wedding. Wedding. Waiting for our second round of winter weather. I'm like, can we just not? Can we skip it? Like, why can't it just like happen on the weekend and then not like on Monday? I know. I know. I know. I'm waiting to see if they're going to call before we don't get snow days anymore. We only have distance learning days now. So kids took devices home, all their Chromebooks home. Waiting to see if they're going to call it and when they'll call it. So we shall see. My work won't call it. No. I don't have to go in, but maybe I'll just call it. Hey, nothing wrong with that. We shall see. Hey, no job is worth your life, you know? Um, I, I know that the last several weeks we have been talking about Little Miss Gypsy Rose. And I was listening, one of my new favorite podcasts. And if you guys have not started listening to it, if you have an Amazon Prime account, you can listen ad-free on Amazon Music to... psych something. Oh, apparently, um, my thing signed out. mary60 at gmail dot com. Amazon password, Yoda 6060. I'm keeping that in there. I'm just kidding. Of course. I need that verification code. It's always entertaining when you get to cut out stuff like this, isn't it? I write it down before I... No, I'm just kidding. Would you like access to our Amazon Prime? As if I don't have my own. Right, right. Killer psych. There it is. There it is. You're going to have to give me that, Mr. Murray, because I'm going to need that. Did you need the name longer? Yes, please. Oh, two eight eight seven two. It's literally listening to it right before you came over. Welcome, Chris. It's just a welcome, Chris. I'm going to find it now. I hate when I do that. Anyways, we've been talking about Little Miss Gypsy Rose lately. And this morning, while I was doing my stuff around the house, I was listening. One of my very favorite podcasts is Killer Psych. And if you have an Amazon Prime account, you can listen ad free to it. So I was listening, and she does a Killer Psych daily, where she actually, like once a week, she'll do like the top stories. It's kind of like a recap, but I think they're only like 10 or 15 minutes long. And anyway, so she had one over Gypsy Rose. And it was just fascinating. And she talked about, she did cover that whole case, I believe. But it was just fascinating to listen to a former psychiatric nurse and FBI profiler kind of talk about the psychological effects, not only on Gypsy Rose, but like, you know, talking about how her mother had a mental illness as well. And her ex-boyfriend, you know, he has special needs. And it was just, it was fascinating to listen to and how if she says, like in a lot of her interviews, that she's really a shy person. However, she is, it's, what she is doing is really going to be hard for her to live. Um, without being pestered. And well, I have some thoughts on Gypsy Rose. And I, you know, the other side of it, though, too, is, and I have seen some people brought this up. And that's what makes me think of it. Yeah. But like, she has said before, you know, like her mother was like master manipulator. Oh, uh-huh. And she has said that she learned. Oh, they, they point that out on Killer Psych that she manipulated. She's not manipulating all of us. A hundred percent. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying, you know, what happened to her was absolutely 100%. Not okay. Exactly. But I also think she could be playing all this for a fool. You know what I mean? You know, she had to manipulate that guy into murdering her mother for her. I'm just saying, I'm not like 100% on the Gypsy Rose, um, like bandwagon. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I have like misgivings about it. It's probably somebody I wouldn't want to become best friends with. Yeah. I think that's terrible. She's such a shy person. She does not seem like a shy person. No, I didn't think she seemed like a shy person either. This media stuff that's going on. Honestly, I think she's living for it. Yeah. And I part, and I think too, cause I mean, all of her life, save for probably the last seven years, cause she was obviously in prison, like she was literally at the hands of her abuser and couldn't even, was kept chained to her bed, was forced to sit in a wheelchair and do this. She was taught that this is how you were going to behave. And so part of me is like, if you want to live up like this, if you want to live your life like this, then just be like, Hey, for the first time I get to be myself and I want to live large. And you want to do an interview with me? I'll talk to you all day long. Own it, girl. Own it. Just don't be like, well, I'm really a shy person, but okay. No, just own it. Just own, own that this is what you want to do, that you want to tell your story. Cause then I mentioned, you know, she has aspirations to become an advocate, which is fantastic. She needs to be an advocate. She has firsthand experience about what it is like to live through an abuser and come out on the other side. But on the same token, like don't, don't act like you're just this little meek and shy and innocent person. Girl, you plotted to have your mother murdered and you convince someone to do it for you. And you paid your, you paid, you did the crime. You paid your time. You did. You paid your time. And I admit that you did and, but don't act like, you know, so yeah. Anyways, that, I thought that was just, maybe this is the last, maybe we'll talk about her. I just, it was, it's so funny cause we had been talking about her lately. And then of course I listened to her on this podcast that I really admire the hostess. She's just amazing. And she's so, she's so smart. Like, I just wish I was like a tiny bit as smart as she was because she's just so smart. But yeah. So other than that, guess what we're doing next weekend? By the time this comes out, we'll have already done it, but yeah. No, we won't. This comes out Friday. Oh, well the day before. Okay. I get my ideas mixed up. So by the time this comes out, we'll be gearing up. Right. For a little paranormal investigation. We are. We're going to the Masonic Lodge in Cleveland, Oklahoma. I'm just glad it's closer. It'll be fun. I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm excited. It's going to be a good time. Be with, I don't know. Maybe we'll see some spookiness. I'm so excited. Speaking of spookiness, Jess, do you have a story for me? I do. I do. You ready to get into it? A spooky story. Yes. Okay. Well, I am doing the dose of UCO. UCO, how's it going? University of Central Oklahoma, my alma mater. Oh my goodness. I'm, I'm intrigued. So many of our loved ones, alma mater too. Yeah, we have quite a few. So a little back. So a little background first. So public higher education in Oklahoma began shortly after the land run of 1889. Oklahoma territory was established by the Organic Act passed by Congress on May 2nd, 1890. In December of 1890, the first Oklahoma territorial legislature created three colleges, the University of Oklahoma, OU at Norman, the Oklahoma Agricultural and Mechanical College, Oklahoma A&M, which is now Oklahoma State in Stillwater, and Central State Normal School, which is now the University of Central Oklahoma at Edmond. So those three were all created at the same time. The territorial, the territorial legislature, you look like you were going to say. Oh, I was going to say I didn't know that about UCO. I knew that about, I knew that OU and OSU had been. I didn't know about that for UCO too, which I should have because I did, like they have a museum in their, their oldest building. They have a museum, and I'm pretty sure that they talked about it there. That was a long time ago. Yeah, I guess I just forgot. I just remember learning that in freshman orientation. And, you know, because we had to, we had to learn the history of Oklahoma State. And it said that, you know, OU was the liberal arts school. OSU was the agricultural school. And yeah, well, and I may have said that wrong. OU was the liberal arts school, liberal arts school. OSU was the, did I say that right? I don't remember. Anyhow, sorry. Well, the UCO was the, like to the territorial school. So it was where you would go if you wanted to become a teacher. Yes, yes. In the new territory. I remember one of us talked about normal schools, and one of us had to, like, look up what a normal school was. And that's what they. I think it was you. Used to call teaching school or schools were to become teachers. A normal school is such a weird name. The territorial legislation located the new school in Edmond provided certain conditions were met. So there were certain conditions that had to be met before the school could be built in Edmond. Okay. First, Oklahoma County had to donate $5,000 in bonds. And I should have looked it up, but that would have been back then. But I did not because I didn't think about it until just now. Edmond also had to donate 40 acres of land within 1 mile of the town. 10 of those acres had to be set aside for the new school. The remaining land had to be divided into lots that would be sold to raise money for the new school. The conditions all were met with the city of Edmond donating an additional $2,000 in bonds. The first class, a group of 23 students, met for the first time on November 9th, 1891, in the Epworth League room located in the unfurnished First Methodist Church. A marker of Oklahoma granite was placed. Sorry, that's not a word I said. A marker of Oklahoma granite was placed in 1915 near the original site by the Central Oklahoma Normal School Historical Society. It can be seen to this day at Boulevard and 2nd Street in Edmond. Work started in the summer of 1892 on Old North Tower, or as we so lovingly call it, Old North, the first building on campus. Every school's got to have an old something. We had Old Central at OSU. This is Old, yes, we have Old North at UCF. So it was the first permanent building on the new territorial normal school campus. Old North is a three-story red brick building that houses a large face clock in the center tower. A major milestone for Old North was when the building was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1971, and I know that it's gone through several big renovations. I think the last one they had was in 2017. But anyway, so occupancy began January 3rd, 1893. The school first- I can't, it's been 90 years before I was born. It's old. The school first operated as a normal school with two years of college work and a complete preparatory school. In 1897, the first graduating class, which were two men and three women, received their normal school diplomas. And in 1904, Territorial Normal became Central State Normal School. And this was like statehood was just like three years away. Right, right. So on December 29th, 1919, the State Board of Education passed a resolution making Central a four-year teacher's college conferring bachelor's degrees. It was renamed the Central State Teacher's College. Okay. It has gone through several names. Two years later, the class of 1921 had nine members, the first graduates to receive the four-year degree. On February 11th, 1936, the PWA approved- It's fine. I can't even see it. I don't need to put lotion on my hands. Put some chapstick on. Okay. On February 11th, 1936, the PWA approved a $1,700,000 grant to seven state teacher's colleges for construction of dormitories. At Central State Teacher College, two dorms, one to house 300 women and one to house 150 men were planned. The architect, Guy Reed, promised comfortable buildings that were more serviceable and superior in design. So Murdaw Hall was the first to be built. It had two wings, a connecting terrace, and a cafeteria open to all students. Accommodations in both dorms were the same. Dormitory rooms had two of everything, closets, beds, chests of drawers, desks, chairs, and bookcases, all made of high-grade maple, as well as a laboratory and medicine cabinet. Murdaw Hall is the oldest residential building on campus to this day. Oh, and so students can still stay there? Yes, it's still used as a residential dorm room. Oh. In 1939, the state legislature passed a law renaming the institution again. The new Central State College was authorized to grant degrees without teaching certificates. So other lines of work instead of... Yes, not just teacher, teachers. Teachering. Teachering. Thanks, Jess. It's been a while since we've podcasted. In 1954, the Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education gave Central permission to offer the Master of Teaching degree, which became the Master of Education in 1969. In 1971, the college was authorized to grant the Master of Arts in English and the Master of Business Administration degrees. On April 13th, 1971, the state legislature officially changed the institution's name to Central State University. On May 18th, 1990, during the university's centennial year, legislation was passed, changing the name again to finally where it's at now, the University of Central Oklahoma. Hopefully, they're done. I feel like, remember when we talked about Rogers State, and Rogers State went through several name changes, too. Yeah, I mean, this one's had several. I mean, OSU has had one. It's like an identity crisis. Right, right, right. Today, the Territorial Normal School has grown from 23 students on the frontier in 1891 to a metropolitan four-year university with an enrollment of about 15,500 on a 200-acre campus. Nice. So that is a little bit of background. A little history about UCO. Yes. So being one of the first institutions of higher education in the state, UCO has a rich history that includes some myths and mysteries that have endured even today. So I'm kind of going to go through just some different buildings at UCO. OK. So first, we're going to talk about Mitchell Hall Theater. Mitchell Hall Theater was built in 1926 and was named after Central Oklahoma's president at the time, John G. Jingleheimer Schmidt. John G. Mitchell. Mitchell Hall Theater has hosted many famous guests over the years. The most notorious guest, however, is not so much as a guest, but as like a permanent resident named Thornton, the Mitchell Hall ghost. So legend has it that the tormented spirit of a maintenance worker killed... Oh, he got tormented. Mm-hmm. He was killed when he fell to his death from the balcony. Others, however, say that he fell from the lightning gridiron during the production of a Thornton Wilder play. Hence, he was dubbed Thornton. Oh, like his real name wasn't Thornton. No, they don't know what his name was. But that's what everybody called him because of the play that was happening during the time that he died. Either way, to fall to your death is terrible. Yeah. So and I believe that happened in 1940. So during back in the 1940s, Thornton is said to have... Well, dating, not during, sorry. I'm just going to reread that. OK. Dating back to the 1940s when it was rumored this when he passed. Thornton is said to move objects, call out for help, turn lights on and off, open and close doors. And he... OK, this one I found humorous. OK. Drops pebbles on students. Rude. Rude. I thought that was hilarious. Can you imagine some random pebble and you're like, where did that come from? But anyway, OK. I found that humorous. Numerous other accounts have placed Thornton like sitting in different seats throughout the theater. And I guess like you can see him. Oh, I think some have said that they seem like, you know, like it's those old school chairs that you have to push down to sit in. And I think they see it moving. That's what I heard. So that would be creepy. Yeah, it would. So that's Mitchell Hall. Now let's talk about Old North. Yes. So many people have reported strange sightings and occurrences in Old North, especially in the tower. Various witnesses claim to have seen a dark shadow of a man wearing like an old suit and a hat moving through the building in a distorted way. Some believe it to be the central... the university's first president, Richard Thatcher, for he was he was like a small man and apparently he always wore a derby hat. He is often seen lingering around the clock area on the upper floors, looking out over the campus as if he's like continuing to watch over the school. Also, there have been a female teacher dressed in turn of the century attire has also been seen wandering the halls, primarily on the south end of the upper floors of Old North. And Tanya McCoy, who wrote Haunted Route 66, which is one of my sources because I forgot to say my sources, but I'll do that at the end. Tanya McCoy, who wrote Haunted Route 66, was asked a few years back to visit the campus and to give a TED talk, which I don't really... A TED talk. Yeah, a TED talk. Yeah. And give a TED talk to some of these students about paranormal research and for her team to lead an investigation throughout some of the school's old buildings as kind of like a fun Halloween event. Oh, yeah, I know. So, well, they did it. And Tanya said that the energy in the Old North building was noticeable as they entered. And the group had set up some equipment up on the third floor. And as soon as they started to get like evidence, Tanya said that various spirits seem to respond to their line of questioning, but none as disturbing as that of a young woman who appeared to have committed suicide. The spirit said that she had jumped to her death from the roof of the old building like many years ago. Would that not be kind of crazy? Ooh, I got chills. So, does the UCO have any history about like student deaths, like any recorded history that you could find? Or did you... Honestly, I didn't look. Okay. But I am pretty sure, because I did... In one of my history classes that I took, we got to tour the upstairs museum. They gave us like a guided tour through the museum to talk about the history. And they did talk about ghost stuff. Ooh, how fun. I think I remember them saying about the old president, or that they think the first president in the Derby hat. And then I think they had said that at one point there were students who were jumping off the roof of the building. I mean, at any university, I think you'd be hard pressed to find zero deaths at any university. I didn't like look into it. Yeah, okay. I was just wondering. Honestly, you try looking up like ghost stories for these universities, and like you don't really get what you want. You know what I mean? Like it's not what you're expecting when you click on it. Yeah. But... Okay, I was just wondering. I was just wondering. Nothing specific. So, now we're going to talk about the university house, also known as the Hazard House. Ooh, I don't know if I like that name. What is now the University House was originally the historic Hazard House built in 1910. It became property of UCO in 1995, and first served the university as a dining and meeting place for faculty and staff. So, it was called the Hazard House after its builder, Henry Hazard, who built it for his wife, Lydia. The Hazard family occupied the house until Lydia's death in 1970. Over the years, the UCO staff members have reported noises and strange happenings in the house. Many have heard footsteps going up the stairs and have seen lights turn on and off by themselves. Lydia Hazard was known for being like a very entertaining hostess, and so maybe one of maybe Lydia is still singing to her family and her guests at this house. Maybe. So, Myrtle Hall. Myrtle? Myrda. Oh, Myrda. Okay. Myrda Hall. So, it's the oldest residential building that we talked about. So, Myrda Hall is said to be home of the most sinister spirit at UCO. And they're letting students sleep there? It is said to have a long history of reported evil within its walls. So, the basement evokes an eerie doom. Is that where your dorm room was? I didn't live in Myrda Hall. But, well, I'll get to it here in a minute. Stinks. But the basement evokes an eerie doom and takes on a dark energy all on its own. Dirt-filled crawl spaces extend in various directions and smaller chambers can be found within larger rooms below. During the same period that Myrda Hall was built, which was 1937, underground concrete tunnels were constructed to house utilities and run steam from the power plant to warm all the major buildings on campus. Okay. Some say when these tunnels were being constructed under Myrda Hall, a door to a secret world was opened. Like a portal? Yes. Oh my gosh. Legend has it that in the labyrinth of passageways running deep beneath campus, a secret passage to the underworld lies where students have been disappearing for years. In most accounts, the students were last seen headed to the basement to do laundry. And, of course, the laundry room would be in the basement. Students have reported strange sounds coming from the basement, like they said it's kind of like what a monster might make, kind of like growling and just, ugh. But rumor has it that someone or something routinely marks the basement with strange symbols. Holes regularly appear in the walls and laundry frequently goes missing, indicating- Oh, that is annoying. That something may be living in Myrda Hall's basement. Or it could just be some crappy people that live there. Or a giant rat. Or a giant rat. That gave me chills. When I was in school there, I don't know if UCF still does this, but around Halloween, they would make the basement into like a haunted house that you could walk through. Oh, that's so awesome. And me and my roommate did that one year. Oh, you what? You did? But I didn't know the history of it. Oh, okay. Well, it was just one of those things. They're like, oh, haunted house. And, you know, and like, okay, you know. Now would you do it again? No. Oh, no, absolutely not. But anyway, I would. Next is Bronky, the Bronco Lake monster. Oh, wait, there's a cryptid in this story, too? I'm getting a little bit of everything. I know. I love it. There have been many reported sightings over the years of the creature known as Bronky, the Bronco Lake monster. Now, I have heard it. I did hear of Bronky when I was at school there. Did I ever see Bronky? No. But a Bronco Lake monster. Well, his name is Bronky. Oh, okay. The lake is called Bronco Lake. Okay. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay. Okay. So some say Bronky is a dinosaur left over from the Mesozoic era. Did I say that right? Mesozoic era. Yeah. Others say that he's related to Nessie, the Loch Ness monster. So that's really all they said about it. But they said like, you know, the next time you're walking along the edges of Bronco Lake and you feel like a light spray from the lake sprinkle your face, that's Bronky saying hello. Or it could be the fountain in the middle of the lake blowing mist at you because it's windy all the time. It's Oklahoma. But who am I to say? I do not think that there's a cryptid at OSU. In our Theta Pond. No, no, no. When I was there, there was really aggressive swans. I mean, there was some mean geese. Yeah. Over there. Really aggressive swan. But I did hear about Bronky when I was there, but I never saw him. Rats. So next is the Y Chapel of Song. This building is located near the middle of campus and is unique in many ways. It was designed and created almost entirely by the students and staff. Named the Y Chapel of Song, it's 14 glass stained windows depict themes of various religious songs sung at the time. Art students designed, fired, and assembled the stained glass. Oh, nice. With a lack of government funding to build a chapel, Dr. Jesse Newby Ray, PhD, a professor at the university, began a fundraising effort to obtain the means to build this student chapel. In 1948, construction began. With the help from students, faculty, and staff, the chapel was completed in April of 1849. I'm sorry, 1949. I was like, oh. Rewind. It served as a small meeting place for four religious groups for people or like people just seeking solitude, you know. However, during the Vietnam War, the chapel was used to conduct funeral services, and this left an impact on the building's history. I feel like I've been to a wedding there for some reason. Maybe I have. Maybe you have. I don't know. According to Tanya McCoy, some of the activities they witnessed there during their investigation referred to that fraught time in U.S. history, leaving its fingerprints and its spirits within the chapel walls. She said the building also retains history from racial strife and riots associated with the 1960s with the segregation on campus. She said that the team experienced the opening and slamming of a heavy door on the south side of the building. The door was checked prior to the investigation and was found to be locked. So it was quite a shock, I guess, when the door slammed. You don't say. And I think this is the last story I have for you. This is so good, though. This isn't like on any kind of building, but Lisa Truesdale, chairman of the Edmond Historic Preservation Trust, Ghost Tours, said that this tale requires some groundwork before you can get to the hauntingly good part of the story. And according to Truesdale, as a result of the very first land run in 1889, where people rushed to claim free land in Oklahoma Territory, Edmond virtually became a town nearly overnight. A large portion of land, which is now the present area from 2nd Street to 9th Street and between boulevards to Bryant Avenue, was reserved at that time for school land that we talked about earlier. The land wasn't to build a school on, but to raise money for the school instead. So shortly after the land run, people started dying, whether from natural causes or from accidents or from acts of violence. You know, like, naturally happens. Life. There was a law in Oklahoma Territory that said it was illegal to bury a body on public land. Okay. If you had a farm, you could bury your loved one there. However, there was not a cemetery for the town. That's what I was going to ask. So that meant, does that mean there wasn't a cemetery? Yes. That they're telling you to bury it on your land. There wasn't a cemetery for the town of Edmond at that time. I feel like that's like, hey, we founded a town. Number two, we need to make a cemetery. That should be the second thing on your list of to do's. Well, because people cannot bury their loved ones or, you know, whoever the person may be on public land, townspeople began to bury people on the empty school land. Oh, OK. OK, OK, OK. Oh, OK. Yes. Sometimes graves were marked with a simple marker, such as like a cross. Yeah. Other times the graves remained unmarked. But this illegal burial continued for several years. Truesdell said that people would just find a random spot under a tree or just anywhere and just bury their loved one there. So the the territorial governor of that time got news that this was occurring in Edmond and demanded that Edmond remedy the situation immediately. And well, I don't blame him. I don't either. In January of 1895, the town established an official cemetery on donated land at the corner of what is now Danforth Road and Broadway Boulevard, which I know exactly the cemetery that they're talking about. The cemetery was called Fair Lawn Cemetery, sometimes just Edmond Cemetery, and it was later renamed to what is called today Grace Lawn Cemetery. So now that the cemetery was established, the next task was to remove the bodies illegally buried on the school land. Entrepreneurs who wanted to make some money on the deal began putting advertisements out in the town's newspaper, known then as the Edmond Sun Democrat. And so here's an advertisement that ran in the October 4th, 1895 edition of the newspaper. It read, quote, The city cemetery is now laid off into lots. Parties having friends buried on the school section that desired to have them interned in the city cemetery by calling an Oscar Johnson can have such work done at reasonable rate by calling an Oscar Johnson. I hope he knew that was now his job. I mean, they were basically like, hey, I will go build. I will go unbury your, dig up your relative and go, you have to pay me. Numerous bodies were removed from the land. However, they were hard to find, or those who knew where the deceased was buried had moved away. Some families were also not fond of the idea and did not want their loved ones' bodies tampered with, and they wanted them to remain on the land. Quote, they did the best they could. Oh, my. Edmond had a big, morbid problem. A big, morbid problem. The new cemetery was being called a boneyard rather than a peaceful last resting place for loved ones. And this is Truesdell's words. Truesdell said that once, sorry, Truesdell said the once peaceful school land had now turned into a mess from townspeople digging successfully and unsuccessfully in order to find the remains. Can you imagine all the holes? You know what I mean? It's not funny, but it is funny. What if, I mean, what if you couldn't remember exactly where you. Exactly. Where you buried Grandma Sue. And it's like, no, it was 20 miles that way. Or what if you like, you did, you dug up something like, oh, that's not my grandma. That's a man. It's this person. It's this person. Oh, this is a child. Oh, no. And like, you just, I don't know. I know, crazy, right? As time passed, though, the pressing issue of removing the deceased from the school land was put on the back burner for a time. That is, until Edmond began to expand, as did residential expansion. Thus, it became a problem once again. Well, yeah. The school land was sold off, which was the original purpose to earn money for the schools anyway, for residential additions to Edmond's. As contractors began excavating, more graves were found, most of which remained unknown. Nearby, the present day area of an old apartment building near UCO has been identified as having a number of unmarked graves that could still be there today. This. They probably are. They probably are. So this is something Chuzelle said. She said this was determined to have been a popular burial spot in those days. So as you are passing through on those residential. It was a place to be, it sounds like. Yeah. So as you are passing through those residential streets south of Second Street, be aware that the area is sacred for many people whose ancestors still lie there. And Second Street is like the main road in Edmond. Right. Exactly. Oh, jeez. I live, I used to live south of Second Street. Your house is probably on somebody. I'm good at home. It's funny that, sorry, I hate to interrupt you. I, another podcast that I was listening to today is called Dark Arenas, and it's by the same people who make Crime Junkie. And she was interviewing a forensic anthropologist, and she on that episode had talked about how you would be surprised of the number of mass grave sites that are unmarked in the United States, and that it's a lot more than anyone would ever think. I mean, even, you can even think about when they were excavating the area to build the B.O.K. Center. Oh, yeah. And they were told originally that all of those bodies had been met, had been moved. They weren't. They weren't. They found eight more. They weren't. Yeah, they hadn't been moved. So, yeah, like literally the episode at Dark Arenas was called Bodies Are Everywhere. Yeah. And the lady was like, but seriously, but seriously, there could be. I mean, it's true. Yeah. It's true. Because homes were built on top of graves in town, Teruzo said you may wonder if restless spirits have remained in the area. Teruzo said that she's never encountered a spirit herself, but there are several stories of others encountering them. And a home south of Second Street, which shall not be named for safety reasons for the current homeowners, she says, was one of those homes where multiple people have experienced what they think is one of those restless spirits. And Teruzo said a restless spirit that seemed to be that of a fun, loving and mischievous little girl. Teruzo said a little girl who lived at the home with her parents would oftentimes point out to the yard and say, baby, mama, I want to play with that baby. However, every time the parents would look outside where their daughter was pointing, there was nothing to be seen. Oh, that gave me chills. It made the mother a little uneasy and she chalked it up to the imagination of a very creative toddler. Because children can see spirits. Well, allegedly there's more to this story, but they wouldn't say the rest of it. What? Because they wanted you to come to their ghost store. It was like last year. I don't know what the rest of the story is, but apparently there's more to it. If someone knows the rest of it, please tell us. So, well, I guess if they want to know, they can go to the. They can go to the Edmund Historic Preservation Trust ghost tour, I guess. Is that something that they do only during spooky season or do they do all the time? No idea. Sounds like something we need to look into. It might just be during the spooky season. But that was that article was from last, like, October 2023. Oh, perfect. It was fairly recent. But that is the Ghosts and Legends of the University of Central Oklahoma. Oh, I liked it. So if any of my summer Broncos have any crazy stories, you need to write in. And honestly, so my my old roommate, Casey, she used to work as like a sound and audio person in the like the student union. Yeah. And sometimes I would go with her to work and just kind of hang out. Like that would be the time I would do my homework. And like she would have to walk around the building, like turn all the lights off. The doors were locked. And sometimes it was just like creepy. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But so if y'all have any stories, you need to write in. That was a spook. That's a good one. That's a good one. Oh, I'm excited. Good one. Well, yeah, like Jess said, if you have any experiences with any ghosts or ghouls on UCF campus or on any campus or anywhere in the state of Oklahoma, you can reach out to us. You can find us on all of our socials at Curious Cousins. OK, podcast, or you can just email us at Curious Cousins. OK, at Gmail dot com. Of course, we are available on all major podcast listening platforms. And we would just love it if you would rate, follow and review. We have gotten some reviews lately and we can't respond to your reviews. But somebody said they were very actually it's on the it's on the Spotify. Yeah, I was going to read it. So we could call them out. Podcasters, so we could shout them out. I should have had this up. Sorry. Your podcast. I should say on here, which ones have. We also got another message on Instagram. Did you see it? I haven't seen it yet. I haven't looked yet, I guess. I can't I look at them on here anymore? I was going to say their name. Maybe if I went through Spotify. If I have, I guess I do have a Spotify account. I know. I'm going to talk to her. I don't know if I'm part three or part two. Oh, here you go. Oh, I just looked different. So we got a response on the one of the Logan Tucker episodes from Candyland Fun. Oh, that's a fun name. I know. And so she had said, kudos, ladies. Your mention of the ripple impact regarding this case was very thoughtful. Authorities, investigators. Volunteers and families tried tied to this case. May they know peace. So tragic. And so thank you, Candyland. That was such a sweet message that you sent us or response that you sent us. So we can't respond to that. Yeah, we can't respond to you guys. So we'll try to remember to shout you out on the podcast. But we wanted to say thank you for that. We really appreciate that. Very appreciative. You made our day. So, yeah. Yeah. Next week will be a true crime with me. Yes. And I have a really I have an oldie, but a goodie. Is it going to be like a two part or is it going to be like a one part? Do you know? I don't know yet. We'll see. So Jess, tell them what to keep it. Keep it kooky and spooky. Bye.