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The speaker is discussing their interest in fashion and how they have noticed that men tend to put more effort into their outfits than women. They have brought two fashion experts onto the podcast to discuss this topic further. They explore why more men own fashion businesses even though more women go to fashion school. They also discuss the idea that men dress better because they are more intentional about their appearance. They mention that women may have more options when it comes to fashion, but they may also spend more time and energy on their appearance. They conclude that fashion is about personal style and feeling comfortable in what you wear. Yeah, it's nice to be having this conversation with you. Yeah, just to give you a bit of background, I was, just jokingly, you know what's happening, I just, I was thinking about men and women and fashion, and I was like, I think I've seen more men put up with, you know, outing, or outfits, rather than women, based on what I've seen. I mean, I was expecting people to, you know, I was also, I feel like my dreams would grow up, and then women would be like, that's wrong, like, sexist, you know what I'm saying, I was ready for it, I mean, and it's not like it was an opinion I really held to heart, I just, you know, just messing it out, and then, yeah, because I just came around, and it turns out, men agree with this concept, so yes, but to this day, I'm still going to be talking about fashion, and it's different from all the other things before, but yeah, this is the journey we take. At this point, at this particular period in my journey, I'm thinking about fashion, so let's talk about fashion, and I have two amazing people with me in this discussion today, they are fashion people as well, and some of the fashionistas that are in my network, and I feel, I'm not so knowledgeable about fashion, relatively, so let me invite you to that. I'm into fashion right now, and I love fashion, I'm really into it, so I have Shikha, and I have a friend of mine, Dora Poe, I was not going to introduce myself, although we have the culture in this podcast, in the post-introduction, we only give you 30 seconds to introduce yourself, we do this because we, if you have shorter time to introduce yourself, we will mention the important things, and keep out the unnecessary jargon, because otherwise, it's going to be a mess. All right, so I'm going to start with Dora Poe, Dora Poe, you have 30 seconds, and you should introduce yourself. Okay, hi, hello, 30 seconds, that's enough. My name is Dora Poe Ishikoya, and I'm a full-time product manager, and there's this thing they call fashionistas, so I think, I think I'm a fashionista, I am, but I will agree to the fact that I'm a lifestyle artist, so let me put it that way, I just hope I'll be able to save time for you. Wow, wow, okay, that was right to say, lifestyle artist, that's an interesting thing to say. Okay, moving on to Chika, Chika, 30 seconds, introduce yourself. Okay, hi, my name is Chika Kuma, and I'm a business owner, fashion, fashionista. I mean, fashion is a lifestyle that includes everything, so that's my niche. Amazing, amazing, well, you guys are doing pretty well. Now, 30 seconds. Okay, so I've brought these two amazing people to discuss fashion, and I've titled this episode, Fashion in Man's Business, and I think I'm kind of tilting towards that particular point, I mean, I was, so I think before we got into this episode, I was telling you a bit about my background, and I was telling you about this period where I was actually a model, and I was thinking about, you know, pursuing fashion as, like, a side carrier, or something like that. And, of course, I got into tech, all of those dreams disappeared, and I mean, I just got about to take in, like, early this year, and I was like, okay, let's start looking back into, into this business of fashion, and not just the business, but appearance, and of course, looking into how we can improve the fashion statement in the country as well. I mean, everyone thought about investing into some businesses in fashion as well, so. And then I started becoming more, more intentional about my appearance, and my ways as well, and then I, of course, because I wasn't intentional about myself, I started intentionally looking at other people, checking out what they wear, so I can probably, like, take some lessons, learn from them, and say, oh, combine this this way, and let me see if I can try that out, you know, something like that. And then, I saw something on the other side, I saw the people that, you know, put in little and no effort, not to be rude or anything, because I mean, I was once like that. And then, I tried to do, like, a ratio between these ladies and the guys, and I felt like, I think I enjoyed, and not the guy, but like, of course, if there were ladies that were really doing something amazing, I'm sure I would have seen it too, right, I've definitely seen some ladies doing some things too, right, I mean, that's how you actually can hear. So, yeah, and then I was going into the business, I wanted, it was time to actually get my hands into a fashion business itself. So, I went to start doing some research, some market research about how fashion businesses scale, and then I realized that more men own fashion businesses than women. So, that was the first shock I got, so I'm just going to piggyback off that realization, and I'll just put it out to you guys. Something about men, I was like, I'll kind of, like, direct it to Tika first, like, men own more fashion businesses than women, but 84% more women go to fashion school than men. What exactly is going on there? Is it the business, or is it the fashion? Okay, I think right now it's the business, but if more men own fashion businesses, then they are being managed by women. I mean, they are good managers. Interesting. Yeah. That's a very interesting angle, okay? Okay. So, I mean, sometimes you might have the money, but you just have to, like, take a step back, let women handle these things, because you know that they're going to do a great job with the publicity, with the branding, and all of that, so. Interesting. Yeah. Wow, that's very interesting. So, I think what I'm trying to say, what we have just said is that men own these businesses not because they actually do the fashion thing, they just run the business, and then we have people that are actually going to be producing the wares, in charge of, like, design and all of those things, so, what we're saying is, do you agree with what you're saying, or do you think that men actually really rock this fashion thing? Actually, I think men rock it, like, come on, you know. Women see it as just a thing, like, they don't have to, because of their gender, they feel they have to dress, and the way they dress, they don't want to, like, dress that way. For men, the intentionality about putting those things up, and, you know, the old masculine that surrounds it, the confidence you wear in putting up that face, putting up that appearance to show about it, come on, it should be something so well. Talking about you now, you fashion so well that you want to make it a business. I would want to manage and not own, but... No, don't let us talk about that, but, yeah, sure, that's very good, yeah. I mean, I'm not afraid to shake any water, but I think what you have said, I think, is interesting. Maybe it's kind of true in my scenario. I have a background in fashion. I mean, when I was, like, doing, you know, style modeling and all of that, I'm not used to go out into fashion, but I know I can. I probably do not have the time or mental ability to maybe go for shoots or start some, you know, putting together this, whereas I can focus on keeping my appearance at, you know, my post and just making sure I invest in looking good, but I still enjoy fashion, so instead of doing it, I want to run my own business. So, and talking about the business, I think that's where I agree with you. I think where I kind of, like, lean towards your end is the fact that I have my money in this business also. I'm not making the wears, I'm not designing, I'm not doing any of those things, but I am making sure that this business actually succeeds, right? So, from purchasing all the materials up to even the sewing process and totally and so forth, I'm making sure we do this. And when it comes to the plans and the ideas of what we're building, so the kind of fashion in this business I'm about to build is very, very tailored to the particular sector of people and even gender, so it's very tailored. Now, coming back to the reality I had of why men, I feel like men dress or kill rock outfit better than women. Okay, I'm not going to spill the beans. The brand I'm working on is tailored to ladies, because I felt, if ladies are not really coming up, don't worry, I'm going to solve your problem. I'm a problem solver, that's okay. So, I said, I'm going to solve your problem and I'm going to dress you up. I'm going to, and I just met a lady who also has the exact same dream. I want to dress ladies up, and I can't dress you together, right? So, that goes to the question that, what exactly happens when a lady dresses up? Yeah, here's what I'm asking. So, on Tuesday, when I put out this post on my WhatsApp, I got a lot of feedback, but the surprising thing is that every single lady that replied me agreed to what I said. They did agree that men rock outfits better than women. I'm going to read the comments exactly as they said it. Now, this lady says she likes to watch the, you know, the Get Ready With Me trend online. She prefers to watch men's Get Ready With Me. I'm not done. Another person says that women become too confused about so many things, that they have a lot of ideas and they do not know what to choose, so that when they eventually choose something, off. Yeah. Yeah. It's not off. Yeah, it's off. I don't, no, I don't agree. They have so many options. Yeah, we do have so many options, right? That's because you have too many clothes. Oh, too many clothes, that you don't end up knowing how to put together. Yeah. True, I agree. Okay, true, then that's it. No, still, still, I agree. Like, but then, I think it's intentionality, right? You don't, I don't think you want to go out and then, you're not going to, prepare mentally. Are you saying your gender are not intentional about how they show up outside? True. Yes. True, yeah. Let us check this. Let us see. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, but then, it's not, it's just very few people that are interested, but I feel like fashion is a lifestyle. We should embrace it. And then, probably because they're not, not too many females have the time. I don't even think it's the time because, I mean, now, there are too many videos for you to watch and get your style. I just feel like they don't have the strength, dressing up to go out, they won't watch. Like, you have to prepare mentally for that. And I'm very serious. So, probably, when the day, let's say, for example, you have an event, and then, the day is approaching, you might even get to that day and be like, okay, I don't want to wear this. It's not that you don't have the strength. Probably because you don't have the ginger or the vibe, or you feel like you're not doing it. So, I think fashion tips, more videos, and more encouragement from, like, if my fellow females are into it, will help them to put more interest into doing that. So, if you're recommending tips and tricks, and there are a lot of these videos, so, does that mean you kind of agree that women don't get the rights? Not 100%. Maybe they spend most of the time doing the make-up part. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. And that's the main thing that they're supposed to do. Ah, interesting. Is this an interesting thing? Wow, I've not heard that one coming. Yeah. I didn't hear that one coming. But, to be honest, okay, wow. I like that that particular comment to be used this far. So, there was this particular comment I also got, and this lady said she, when she gets confused about her wears, she prefers to ask other guys, like her male friends, what to wear than her female friends, because she feels like, every time she asks her female friends, she does get more confused than she was in the first place. So, I'm going to also put this question to you, what do you think about men's choice when it comes to dressing well? Okay, I think men's choice, it's more, where are you going to? Where you are going to? What are you going to do there? Because there are times, even as a guy, you get over-dressed. You are well-dressed, but you get over-dressed for that particular occasion. I can say a couple of parts here. If you are really the baller, I don't think you want to wear corporate, so you don't get messed up for the bouncer. Exactly, if you are really the baller, so you don't get messed up for the bouncer. So, it's all about where you are going to, what are you going to do is there. So, that's where the old dressing starts from. You get to think about, okay, this is me going to this place, I have to show up in this way, this manner. You don't want to go for a corporate, really, really corporate setting, and wear a lace, you know, it's fashion. But still, you don't want to do that, come on, you know, the whole time. You just show up like, just take everything off the balance for me. So, that's the problem. Yeah, I think that's true. Thinking about our interests, I spend a lot of time to see the very small things that I do, and that's why I agree very much when you say preparing an outfit takes a lot of time. I spend a lot of time dressing up, and this is why, for a period of my life, where, I mean, we're talking about this off-record, a period of my life where I didn't care about how I look, it was mostly because I walk, if I have to be, maybe in class, or maybe there's a test, because I'm fashion, I could be fashionable. So, maybe there's a test at 12, right? And I'm most likely walking till 11.45. So, that's 15 minutes, middle of the street, I just grab, grab. Exactly, I just, I just grab, grab. So, I write my test, and I'm back. I have no, I don't care about who that person is, who I see, I want to write the test, and that's all I'm going to come back with. I don't spend any more, I don't spend time, you know, I don't spend time, I don't do all of that stuff, because that's what I want to get. I don't care about where I'm going to, or what I want to do. But, mainly, just this way, because I start getting more interested about these things, and then I know myself, I know that I'm not going to stop walking till 11.45, I'm not going to stop walking by 11, because I want to pick up the dress, I know myself, I'm not going to do that. So, I picked up way earlier, right? So, I go to church Sunday, right? Before Sunday, like Friday, like today, tomorrow, and stuff, arranging my dress and things like that. So, but, let me bring you back to women, having time to prepare an outfit. So, when I plan an outfit, two days before the event, exactly. So, what, exactly, all right. So, what's all in our planning? Like, I mean, I think, I've seen a lot of ladies pull some things up in weddings, or go to some events, or just close a show, I mean, I've seen a lot of things. I've seen a lot of repetition, like, I'm wearing this gown, this shoe, I'm already expecting a heel, and then I swipe, and I'm expecting a whole lot of weed. It's just, it's just very, you know, predictable, exactly, predictable, and I think, like, it's easy to, for all of these brands, and also women that have more options. How does this relate to what they wear, how do you actually make these decisions, since they have some more? Longer time. Yeah, they have even longer time to prepare. How do you think that makes the decision longer? Can I answer your question? Okay, yeah, thanks for asking that. So, there are two things here. I think ladies spend more time preparing for outfits than men, generally. Also, ladies have more options than men. So, if you have more time, and more options, why can't you be comfortable? Still, I think the problem is not making time, because I think one of the most important things, make time to search for brands, to search for styles. So, I think because they just need to be conventional, and show that, and I think that's just it. So, they don't want to go extra. And then, the only extra they can do is, probably, just, you know, make sure that, you know, they're not, you know, and then, the only extra they can do is, probably, just, bust parts, just reveal, and all of that. So, I feel like, they don't, they don't do what is expected. They don't search. Because, I mean, going to Pinterest, you're going to get a lot, a lot, a lot of styles. Even color combination. Colors that you never imagined, like, look so great on you. And then, I think, knowing your skin tone, and your style, is very important. I don't think people put that, like, take that into consideration. What's my style? What do I want? How do I want to look? That's a hundred percent, I believe, as well, because, okay, I'm noticing something now. There's this concept, pandemic. At this point, I feel like, they should ban that. Because, I mean, I feel, it's not comfortable. Why do I have to wear clothes and I will not be able to sit down? I will not be able to eat while I'm wearing the clothes. I feel it's just, and fashion is comfort. As long as you're comfortable with what you're wearing, then that's fashion. But if you're not, that's not fashion. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, it was one of the things I saw in this period, and then I just completed, and I became a woman. Woman. Woman. So, I was in this concept, pandemic, and then I remembered the, so many other series of things that I've seen that every woman would make. We saw the Brazilian hair era. We saw the Himalayan era. Yes, the Himalayan era. Exactly. And, yeah, all of these things are great, no doubt. But I think, do you think that a lot of women like to do, well, maybe some top celebrities do it, or like to join the wave, and, you know, these things. What I'm saying is, I think for men, to be honest, for men, I believe that for men, it's, they can pull it off because there are fewer options, and just get the suit. Like, Get fewer options, greater results. Exactly. Like, fast-paced, and then, get the suit, and then you just get to figure it out from there. So, when I, it's true for me, when I wanted to head back into, okay, yeah, being intentional about all of this, that was the first thing I did. Because I remember the tips we got when I used to model, like, the first little shots we did, we just have to take suits, right, and that was sort of it. So, I got the suit, I got two different suits, and then I just started picking it up from there, and then from there, I would just give it time to suit, and then just start, you know, changing it up. So, I know for men, that fewer options, as I said, greater results. Yeah, I agree to that. I'm not disagreeing with that. These men really like to follow the trend, so they don't care about what looks good. For men, if everybody wears their suit right now, there's a level of, I look better automatically. Yeah, yeah. But for men, I don't think it's exactly the same. Somebody who wears a gown, another lady who wears the exact same gown, perhaps, you'd be wondering, why? Exactly. I think, like you said, they just want to follow the trend. Yeah. And that's something, because over time, these things go, and what remains is your style, your kind of fashion, your definition of what you know as fashion. Because why do you have to stress? Like, why do you have to go through a lot of stress just to be in the know? I just want to be like, this is what is really, let me do it. And at the end, it's like, so why did I even do it? You know what I mean? I had other options to go for, like I had other things to wear that would have looked so great on me, but you need to do better. I think that's true. I like to personalize it better, and I mean, not just for me, I mean for you guys as well. So I'm going to start from the top. What's your style? My style? Okay. I better have an answer to that. My style is looking good. When I say looking good, no. Putting all your attention to making good clothes. On the long run, just how it defines who you are, the perception of people, who you are. So my style, I would say looking good. Corporate, basically. As you said before, there's this relative definition of, oh, you look okay when you're on corporate. Just that. This particular quote, I really like that you started using lately as you continue to grow in this lifestyle path. You said it. I can't really remember, but something around looking good is like you look good in a dress or something like that. I can't remember the quote exactly. Well, it's on my head right now. If I remember it, I'll talk about it again. So yeah, that's your style. What were you thinking before? What's your style? I said looking good, and then I'm getting a funny look with pants trousers and suit trousers. I don't know. Because I feel it's something that you can combine both with t-shirts, with shirts, with a lot of things. So it's just color combination and what you're combining with trousers. So I think that's the goal. It's simple. So that's true. Like look for others that don't like him, but sometimes he's going to do every kind of trick. They can't look for us. Definitely look for us. I think you're right on that when you say look for us. That's amazing to hear. So I have another question to ask. I'm a scientist. Whether I like to So yes. I started looking at the studies. I mean actual studies of dresses and how they stimulate our thoughts in terms of confidence, in terms of how far that people perceive us. And Raffo said something very important here that the way you dress, how you perceive. Yeah, I think another thing you say very seldomly. I like it and I'm trying to maybe use some of those things in my life which is perception and reality. Although I initially had a very opposing mindset about it until I started reading something recently and I see God. Studies actually do say that people will continue to hold on to their perception over certain facts that you present to them. It's crazy, but it does go ahead. So, see it that way and then we know that the way we dress actually gives certain perception to other people. So there was a study and this study has been done since the 1980s and apparently in 2023 that study is still very valid. This is based on research I actually did. And this study was actually about how women affect men. So, this is an example of the study. They brought a couple of female athletes in their athletic attire maybe the shorts, but they were dressed in their athletic uniforms and then they presented these ladies to let's say out of 100 other women, college women, and then they showed 50 of them they were dressed in their athletic attire. What do you think about this woman? She's confident, she's strong, she's smart, she probably does not have a home because she's a career woman and things like that. That's a summary of what they perceived about this particular woman. And then they gave the other 50 college women the same exact ladies but in a different attire this time. They were wearing skimpy dresses, you know. But there's something I want us to take note of here. When you're wearing your athletic uniform, almost the exact same part of the body that is exposed is very similar to the part of the body that will be exposed when you're wearing the provocative dress. And they gave the other 50 women these female athletes in their provocative dress and then you should hear the comments. Of course, there were comments like, oh, she's so pretty, she's attractive and then there were comments like, oh, she's probably very sexually active or this person probably would not keep her home or would have extramarital affairs. Those were kind of comments in a summary that they gave. I'm saying it's exclusive women because by the time the same test was done on men with the same scenario rights, the result was the same in the sense that the women, the college men came around. College men said, oh yeah, this man is strong, he's this, he's that. And then they brought the same man wearing something casual and they're like, yeah, I mean there was not much difference between the perception of what they thought about these two different men, right? But the only difference was when they showed the same men to women, women felt oh, the only thing, the only thing that women differentiated was the test probably reached and the test probably not reached. I might have one. Let's not dig in that. This study was done in 1984 and most of you here in this particular study that I'm going to share is going to I don't know what the reaction will be. But the studies that have been done relate back to that and they are confirming that it is still there, it's still the same. So I'm going to ask you this in terms of women what do you think now versus that study and I'm going to ask you in terms of men, but I'd like to go first, what do you think about that study and what do you think now? How do you see women and how do they speak to you? And I'd also like if you can tell me what's the best way you see your woman in? Yeah. My woman. So let's start from the study, what do you think about and how do you perceive women based on that? Okay, I kind of have this notion about women and how they show up in terms of what you have going on for you, how you show up as maybe a fashion person you know, I kind of think if you are showing up like this something is literally happening and yet to really catch my attention to show up looking corporate as a lady, show up in your palazzo, your skirt in your nice shirt don't come at me wearing brown eggs and slippers and asking me to give you my attention, no, no, no, I wouldn't even do that, I'd have to think twice and check my time if I have enough to share with you at that point, but trust me if you are looking so corporate, I literally would take off my wristwatch to attend to you so I don't monitor my time but then what am I trying to say? You see, there is this perception about women how they show up, because it's more like, you have a thing going on for you you show up looking all nice you know, nice and then looking corporate not really corporate corporate, casual corporate too but different from, with the same study you shared about putting them athletic things together, and you just show up like oh, pick me up, let's go for a boxing, it's a whole different ballgame, so it has influence on how they just show up so I'll put that there, like that interesting, amazing so Chika, I'll ask you what you think about The Perfect Government do you think you would be the best and most likely judge based on how influential or wealthy or kind of persona you have? I'm not sure I'm going to judge based on wealthy or poor your dressing see, you get dressed the way you dress so for instance, I mean you're going somewhere, probably on occasion, and you have to put on shorts why are you putting on shorts? I mean, I like guys on shorts but for this occasion for this event why are you putting on shorts? it's a tunnel and it's not going to say, it's not passing the message of wealthy or not, because I mean the experience is short, but your thought process, when you think about where you're coming to and how people are going to look at you I feel like dressing like I said earlier, requires mental preparation so if you just wake up one day like just push out of your house going somewhere, looking somehow, I mean it's not going to give you the attention that you deserve, and I remember I think a lot of any global posts, like dress, let your dressing be your card based on when they see you they're going to attend to you regardless if you're with your conference card or not but the way you are dressed it's going to give them the attention that you think you deserve so that's the real problem I like that line you have to dress to make sure you get what you deserve so if you want to walk into somewhere and you're not still a millionaire dress like a millionaire maybe if you're not a millionaire yet I don't think you're going to give them the idea like if you give, you're going to manage what you don't dress up I don't think you can manage I don't think you're in the right place probably you need your way or you can be bumped this has been super super interesting well, I think very key takeaways I've been able to take from here is that people need to know their style, whether you're ladies or females generally, I don't think that it's a very huge divide honestly between men and women, I think what we've been able to establish is that truly men have fewer items and it gets easier to combine them even when you repeat them it still looks you still rock it and I think I was saying this off record too I was watching this particular guy who says, just 16 items in your wardrobe, that should be enough you create a wardrobe out of just 16 items I don't think ladies can do that we can do that we have 5 wardrobes but 2 not ready for any occasion like 2 not prepared that's a lie he said that's a lie for instance I used to have plenty but when I was coming to this section I made the decision not to bring too many clothes that I'm not going to wear so what is there is what I'm going to wear I'm just going to change the styling and the colour combination so I think it relates to that same thing if you have 16 clothes you can mix you can mix something it just has to be creative there are different ways the fashion, the styles that we see it was just somebody randomly coming up this thing will look great, let me wear it and take a picture it's nice, same thing we can do that, just randomly pick up something, combine it and just see you can even make a you have a signature style out there yeah amazing, so I'm going to close off this particular, this was the last comment I got when I made this post on Tuesday and can't even get started okay and then this section says that women and the way they dress even if one man's chain can't close them for 15 days oh oh oh do I think it's true? I think it's a 3 degrees true menswear is actually very expensive than women's wear oh okay, it's a 3 degrees but still, I do not agree with that shirts cost 40,000 so gowns cost how much? gowns, oh thank you gown gown is expensive that's all just my shirt that's it I'm just going to wear my shoes, I'm just going to wear my dress that's because people have too many things to wear, probably I mean shirts, trousers you could just go your shirt could be a dress so I think that's why it's expensive your shirt, your dress yeah alright this has been great, that's been a great episode truly, truly, I just really wanted to explore this fashion panel, of course get you know, why is fashion and stuff like that for throwing to me some good fashion elements, as I was saying earlier, know your style understanding your style is very important you also said something, Chika that fashion is comfort, whatever makes you comfortable that's what you should choose and look for how to start it better and then you talk about your colour combinations and going out there to actually look at other people look at what other people are doing don't just follow the trend don't just follow the trend, pick out people and stuff I'm not saying you should not wear a corset but be comfortable wearing it exactly be comfortable wearing a corset know your style and this goes for both men and females and I think I'll just also close by saying take our time and have people that can actually help you style I think I met a stylist on Sunday we had a conversation and she said that's what she does professionally, she's a stylist so she helps people style themselves she doesn't literally, she just asks people and then she helps you style that's actually another line in fashion yeah, that was very interesting this has been really interesting, I'm just going to take closing lines from both of you based on everything that was said I've given my opinion I think everybody can benefit from all the tips and tricks on style and all those things make sure they always come off looking good I mean, guys, I still just can't forget but yeah, I'd like to say closing remarks from both of you based on what you've seen fashion is a man's business closing speech, what do you think? I'll just go by saying this every dressing sends a message however you show up however you show up and to package your dressing so well it's more like a business card to keep your card well retained and to envelope it such that they give you that attention by looking at the package that is your smell do you smell nice enough for them to stay not just because you dress well, do you smell nice just for them to stay and taking all that fragrance and keep attending to you every dressing sends a message and package it well by smelling nice that's what's amazing thank you I just want to say put in more effort effort, not just grabbing something for yourself put in effort, think about it discover style for yourself and make it your lifestyle make it something that when you do you feel fulfilled because you should feel great when people compliment you I love your dressing put in more effort in doing that it's going to make you more happier even if that's all you're known for it's still a good thing and from there you can get recommendations, gigs, influence and all of that fashion is lifestyle I like that line fashion is lifestyle I think I have some offers to do to my lifestyle yeah, this has been very interesting thank you so so much for doing this with me it has been a really enjoyable session, thank you for the sponsors, thank you for agreeing to agree I really enjoyed all the different sides to this particular subject matter and I would say that's a wrap, thank you you