N8WUNZ 20230412 (W) The Plot Thickens

The speaker discusses various topics, including an upcoming case in the Employment Court, uncovering terrorist information, human rights complaints, and the importance of free speech. They also talk about unlawful lockouts and the role of the legal profession in these cases. The speaker raises concerns about the government hiding information and the potential political motivations behind certain actions. They mention the significance of political speech in the workplace and discuss a case involving Rocket Lab and its connections to the military and intelligence agencies. and do Facebook. How's things going, Liz? How's your day been? Oh, fancy! Fancy. I did an interview with Liz Gunn recently. Oh, brilliant. And part of it was talking about the case that's coming up in the Employment Court on the 17th, 18th and 19th and talking a lot about the terrorist information we've uncovered. And it just seems to be that every email I get now puts me on the lead of more cover-ups, if you like, more situations where the government is drumming up false fear and hiding things that we should really be concerned about. Wow. So that was pretty much what I was going to talk about tonight. Oh, that sounds amazing. Yeah, we need to know about that stuff. Sounds cool. Yeah, well, there's some very, very interesting stuff going on. Liz should be putting the video up pretty soon because part of the point of it, because she recorded it this morning with me. I didn't go into a studio or anything like that. So it's just the same as the usual one with her talking and me talking, but we're not in the room together. But I wanted to get it out there because people need to start educating themselves about what the government is hiding from us and have a think about why they might be hiding stuff. What's Robyn wanting to tell us about? She's got in there mine and one other human rights complaints where the council have a number allocated for disputes and to go to the mediator. Oh, great. Well, Robyn, tell us about that now because, yeah, we want to keep our finger on the pulse of what's going on with cases as well, as people know. These human rights cases are not run by the union. They're run between the applicant and the officer that Human Rights Commission appoints. But we've got, we're extremely interested and we help out with the legal arguments, finding the cases, suggesting strategies, et cetera, et cetera. So go ahead, Robyn. Yeah, hi. Yeah, so basically two of us submitted a human rights complaint regarding the mandates and we wanted to get it in before the 12 months were up because when they listed the mandates on the 4th of April. So mine went in three weeks before and then a friend, he put his in. And his wife had kids affected majorly and one of his has got a disability and relied on the gym and everything. So he had way more reason or harm than I had. But anyway, I just want to say thanks, Liz, because all these cases are everything that you have given us through the last, however, 18 months or two years. The case law, the legislation, just everything just put together. And I guess it was based around my work one that got accepted. So mine and his went in under religious grounds and disability. You know, same old perceived presence, presence or perceived presence of disease in the body. And, yeah, we put the Health Act in there. Erica peer reviewed it and she put in the, you know, where they didn't have permission to do it, whatever the term was. That's the one. Yeah. So Erica, yeah, she peer reviewed it and chucked some stuff in like that, which was really, really good. And I must be getting better at writing this stuff because she didn't change that much this time. Yeah, but it's not legal. And to do a human rights complaint, I actually submitted two. So we all down here, we send them my signature, couriered to the PO box. Mine didn't get acknowledged, but the guy who put his in after me, he got a number allocation email really quickly. It arrived within two days and they allocated it pretty much straight away. And he was pretty excited about that. So I emailed them and said, you signed for is received on such and such a date. Can you please confirm you've got it? And then they told me my number, which was great. And said it's going to disputes and the mediator will be in touch. So that will be the same mediator as last time. And then I sent away another one re-masking for someone else and just happened to go from my computer because I didn't have a printer. And theirs has got lost in the post. So human rights might have that one. But yeah, anyway, the process is really great because they have to reply within four to six weeks. It's all free. And a long time ago when I said to you, Liz, should I do a civil case or a human rights case? You said, oh, Robin, I would do the human rights case. And I'll tell you what, for me, that was absolutely the best option because it was way less stressful for me. It didn't have all the legal stuff in it. And we got to sit down and mediate. And the outcome I want from the council one is change of process. I want to recoup some fees for the people who have helped me, i.e. the union on this one and not much else. I'm not going for money out of this. I want them to acknowledge what they've done and change process going forward. Because if we can change process going forward, if this happens again, you know, these guys think they've got away with it. But they have not. And it's going to hold them to account. So I've done it to three people in their private capacity. The CEO, who's back, the CEO, the next in charge, who was the acting CEO for last year, and the services manager and then the corporation. Good. Very, very good. Yeah, because we kind of hived yours in half, didn't we? We're going to make the religious discrimination over in the Human Rights Commission. But, yeah, you've got the human rights causes of action in the Human Rights Commission. So you can actually have both as long as you don't sort of overlap. You know, you can go for breach of contract, etc. Something very interesting happened this morning. I was doing a, what do you call, a case management coming up. And this, some of the cases are taking a while because we're having to struggle, as I said on the last Zoom, with the legal profession, really. You know, the legal profession being unwilling to admit that they don't know the health and safety at work law. That they hadn't considered that anybody was ever going to raise their voice against what was basically a politicisation of the workplace and of the courts, I believe. And they want to keep their heads down. And also the other problem is that a lot of them got backs. But anyway, this case this morning, it's going to be heard at the end of July, an investigation meeting. And Section 83 was raised, so I'm going to be making subs on that. But one of the things that I'd sort of put on the back burner and hadn't argued much in the recent cases was unlawful lockout. So it was the authority member who brought it up and said, oh, we've got unlawful lockout there. Now, that's usually the area of the, you know, I know that the court itself has got jurisdiction over these interlocutory applications or something. But if you put it in as a personal grievance, the court, the authority does have, you know, does have jurisdiction for that. And I'd sort of, I'd actually forgotten. So I'd just keep quiet. And he said to the other lawyer, he said, oh, you know, unless you've got, you know, have you got some comment about that, Ms So-and-so? Oh, no, no, no, we haven't. So it will be very interesting because those arguments about unlawful lockout are basically where the employer themselves goes out to make it impossible for you to work, right, which is a very important point. And sometimes you can bring in or you can you can bring evidence forward that other employers have done the same thing. So we could, as this is a midwives case, we could bring in the DHBs and have a good old discussion about that lockout of an individual or individuals, right? Because it's usually section, I can't remember the sections. Hang on. I found something and I thought, oh, yes, there we are. Unlawful lockout. And I've got some cases as well that I did. We've got one of our favourite judges, the authority member, I'm not going to say who that is at the moment. I don't want to get him a little bit in the limelight or anything, but my favourite employment law judge on these unlawful lockouts is Judge Corkill. We're not going to be caught with this yet, but it will be really interesting to see the authority talk about this. And this authority member is one of the original when they set up the authority back in the 90s. Well, it was a tribunal before that. And then they set it up. Well, he was one of the original. I think he was head of it for a few years then, but he's been in it a long time. I like some of his decisions. So there's always something new in every case that comes before either the authority or the court or, in your case, Robyn, the Human Rights Commission. It's a big learning curve for everybody and every case is precious. We'll get to everybody sooner or later. We're going to start pushing as these things go through. And the extent that people have been basically sort of pushed out of the legal system because of the actions of the, not just the, mostly the lawyers have done this. And, yeah, I think we're going to be getting together quite a body of evidence that this is happening. And, of course, we were shut out of libraries, CABs. A lot of law firms wouldn't even take it. Erica's addressing that in her. She's going, she's resisting costs that have been awarded against her after they struck out her causes of action, which she is going to appeal, of course. So all very, very interesting stuff. The case that's happening starting on Monday, which will be the 17th, is basically the right to free speech and, in particular, political speech, free political speech. In terms of political speech in the workplace, although I don't know that there's even been any cases of freedom of political speech in the regular courts either. So there's been no cases taken on judicial review, for example, under Section 14 of the Bill of Rights Act that I can recall, but I may be wrong because we find out these things all of the time that have gone by us. But indefinitely, as far as I know, political speech in the workplace, which this wasn't, by the way, this was on Facebook, there has been one case, O'Day and one of the timber companies. And in that case, it's very interesting. I think I've talked about it in one of the other Zooms about it was a bit of a, it was two unions or a union and a union member that was also a member of the Communist Party or the Socialist League or something, I can't remember what it was. But anyway, he was allowed to, he criticised the union because they weren't staunch enough in his liking and they were playing the boss's game. Doesn't that sound familiar? His name was Mr. O'Day. He died last year, I think. Very staunch man, stuck to his principles, and he was found to be, yeah, his right to political speech was there. This is a little more subtle because political speech in that case was definitely, I think the court said it was a very clear case. He was saying he was using political speech. He was disadvantaged because of it. The union tried to get him sacked. Charming. I think he might have even been a member of the union or something. It would have been really embarrassing for the union movement at the time, I should think. But the union movement's been divided pretty much between purists and these other people for a long, long time. So, yes, but this is more subtle because, firstly, it's not in the workplace, but she was, the member was sacked for putting political speech onto her Facebook page. That was then, in a very strange manner, got into, and we found out, of course, that the government, through an OIA, somebody put in that the government has a portal into the Facebook system itself. So they could have, with the help of the government, actually got in. Now, political speech is always, it's protected, but it's always attacked by political actors. So you can always, you might know who's attacking you, but sometimes you can't quite figure out what would be the end game. And I think a lot of the stuff that's been coming to light is making clear what the end game is, and it's a pretty horrific picture, actually. But it must send shivers through them to find out that, because, you know, they've probably got people watching this, or they can watch it any time they want, it'll be up on Rumble at some stage, that we know what their game plan is, right? So what happened in this case was, started to do a bit of checking out of the people who were driving this persecution. And it turned out that one of the main protagonists used to be in the NZDF and had a long career in the NZDF as a nurse. And it's a guy, and he is, but he left in 2018 to take this other job, which you would think, what's he doing that for? Well, he also has a master's degree in security, some connection with the American military runs the course. The guy knows terrorism, etc., etc., right down to where the reality of it is. And yet he was basically calling this speech racist when it was political. It was nothing really to do with the race. It was to do with the ideology, the political ideology of the people that were being criticized. So found out also really interesting stuff, and I've talked about this before a couple of times, so you can go back and review it, and you'll also be able to see Liz Gunn's interview soon. The police make cases to designate terrorists, and they have a website, which you can find if you go and put the search in the New Zealand Gazette and put in the search terrorist designation. And you'll get a whole list of them. I think Liz did a quick search this morning. She saw 18 come up, and three of them had been designated in 2021. Some of them have been re-designated because they've started this since about 2009. All jihadists, right? Jihadists. Now, jihadists can come from a number of places, and they don't necessarily fit any particular race, because of course Islam, which is where this ideology comes out of, is not a race. You'll find that the people who do, what do they call it, critical race theory, they have a theory that you're a certain race if you can fit into the pigeonhole of a priest. So it depends on, critical race theory is actually where this idea that Islam is a race comes from. So you can't even put it into the race books if you're being scientific about these things. Anyway, so we found out that there were all of these designations for the very ideology that our member had been basically saying, this is no good. Watch out, New Zealanders, wake up. These people are coming on and commenting on one particular one of a video of a man, or just a clip of a man called Chowdhury, who's famous in the UK, for being jailed, encouraging terrorist actions. They believe the state of Israel should be swept off the map, that all Jewish people should be, some are really removed from the earth, et cetera, et cetera, and they take action on that. That's the ideology. It's nothing to do with race at all. So they got it all wrong. But the interesting thing is that it really looks, when you look closely at it, and this will be part of the questioning in the court, of was he placed there to push the VACs onto everybody? Was he there to push the VACs onto everybody? Rather, and was looking for any sign of, what would you call it, any sign that there were people speaking up about it. So this is why freedom of speech, because the VACs itself is a political move on the New Zealand people, right? It's a political move. And politics got mixed up with, it looks like politics also got mixed up with the Secret Service, because one of the other groups that's designated terrorist is Proud Boys. Now Proud Boys is a group in Canada that certainly do not go around hurting anybody at all. The criticism on the, if you like, why they're supposed to be designating them terrorists is because they have different ideas about womanhood, that women might be encouraged to stay at home and look after their children. That's a cardinal sin according to our SIS. This is the extent that our public servants, so our SIS, they're supposed to be protecting us in New Zealand from dangerous people who do things, do things like stop school buses and throw bombs and suicide bomb themselves and all that sort of stuff. It's all there. Tarrant is on the list as well. But Emma's put up on our webpage, or have you got it also up on our union page as well, I think, Emma? It's just an example of one of the cases that was put up on the police website. So you can go to the police website, find them and have a look for yourself and then you'll be well educated. So what else has been coming to light about why, you know, there's all sorts of bizarre things been happening. We had the Hawke's Bay floods. We had a real lack of interest in policing, protecting people in their own homes at that stage. That seems to have cooled off now. And the other thing was, of course, that they never told us how many people have been killed. They've hidden the fact that there are a lot of bodies and they will not come out with those figures. Very, very bizarre. I think a lot of coroners are going to have to explain themselves when we get justice over all of this. But it came to my attention that there is, you've probably heard of it, a place called Rocket Lab. Rocket Lab is on the Mahia Peninsula. And I did some investigations on Rocket Lab today because I had had a tip off, let's say that. Rocket Lab has got a lot of, if you look on my page, I might have shared it with you by putting it on my page, I'm not sure how it works. Rocket Lab had a lot of investigation a few years back into its bedfellows, basically, because even though originally Maori were supportive, because the land that it's on belongs to a trust, an incorporation, sorry, belongs to a Maori incorporation. And they leased it and they had a, you know, it's down there, Wairoa, which was badly affected by the floods. It's been, it was all hyped up as, you know, it was all about making sure that the weather, you know, climate change, they got all of the, it was going to be good for farming, etc, etc. They thought jobs as well. They got disenchanted with it though. They got disenchanted. And that's what North and South magazine in particular was investigating, having a look at that. So some of the interesting people that they do contracts for, apparently the main mover and shaker in New Zealand is a guy called something Beck, Peter Beck, that's his name. Very smart guy, I'd say. Very, very smart guy indeed. But he had a partner, he had an American partner who pulled out in the end because he said, we don't, I don't want to have anything to do with the military. But of course, the military, the American military, the American military has billions and billions and billions of dollars to spend. Here we go again. See, we've got this guy who was pushed, you know, pushed the, pushed us into, lucky for us actually, the, you know, alleging that really political speech was nothing more than racism. Right. And the American military pops up again. They have, they have links to CIA. They have links to DARPA. DARPA, you all know what DARPA is. Right. This is the, this is the technology that is used by the Pentagon as a military weapon and can generate earthquakes. It can generate, it can bring down buildings. It can bring, it can cause cyclones. They can, they're doing weather experimentation. That's quite clear from the report even and stuff. Right. This was 2015, I think they did the report. And they also, there's another group called QT, I think, QT group, whose speciality is data mining on social media. So we've got, you know, we don't have to look overseas for what's going on in the United States. We've got our homegrown little rocket gate, rocket lab gate in New Zealand. We've got our own whole, if you like, CIA influenced New Zealand SIS. Who's running this country? Who's running this country? A lot of people, you know, who have fought tooth and nail, militarism, anti-war, anti-missile, you know, been on occupations, all sorts of stuff. They're old Labour Party members. They've got to wake up. Right. They've got to wake up and stop towing political line and wake up to the fact that we're not playing politics. It's really just covering over, putting a veneer over all of this real bad stuff that's going on in our country. Because in the end, there will be no politics. There will be no politics. There will be no religion. Okay. People say those are two bad things in the world. And perhaps they are. But the thing is, people got to have a chance to choose. Right. People got to have a chance to choose. The WEF and the UN, they're going after one world order. And they are basically making people terrified of shadows. But hidden within the shadows are some real bad things going on. And they're just distracting everybody. Amanda said, have you seen the interview with Liz Gunn and Winston Peters? No, I haven't. But, yeah, I do know about it. I'm not going to say more than that. I'm not going to say more than that. So, you know, he's making all the right sounds. But. But. Political animals, let's say no more. Let's say no more. Okay. So, I think you'll get more information watching the Union Zooms than you'll get from most other places. Because we're not interested in politics per se. Yeah, he ain't called the Silver Fox for nothing. That's for sure. So, you know, I'll develop these things as I get more information. I'll come out with some more things. But have a look. Do a search on. Put in. I think the search I used was Peter Beck and Rocket Lab. Yeah, I did. He's a homegrown smarty. Yeah, I popped up those links that you had on your page, Liz, for the Rocket Labs. Oh, good. And stuff, articles are in there. Yeah. Yeah. North and South went to the wall too, didn't it? I don't think we've got that anymore. Oh, did it? Yeah. I remember there was a whole lot of... They've only got the diehard propagandists now. Yeah, North and South magazine is no more. Listener's gone. Yeah. I mean, you just... All those ghastly women's magazines, they're still around? They're still around. Oh, look, I went to the... Horrible. I went to a dentist today, and there was a magazine with Jacinda on the cover. Oh, no. Oh, and it was a new one. Oh, no. She's still hanging around like a bad smell. I reckon. Yeah. Yeah. It's all in there. It's like, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. So on the... What you're saying about rocket labs, because I... Some of the research I've done about rockets and space and that kind of thing, pretty much that they don't... There is no space. So where rockets go... Are they going? No. Where rockets go is actually the Bermuda Triangle. Well, they're managing to use those space stations for something. Well, what they do, because if you consider like in the Bible that if you're, you know, into Flat Earth, the firmament stops rockets. And I've seen quite a few videos of rockets hitting it. And so what they do with all the NASA stuff and the... Is they actually... Rockets, when you watch rockets, they always curve. Yes. And they kind of make out that they are going up, but they're actually going over. And, yeah, apparently that's what the Bermuda Triangle is. I mean, this is a big, fat conspiracy theory for anybody here who's keen. And the reason they stop people going, yeah, to the Bermuda Triangle is that that's where they land all the rockets. Although they fly them off there. Yeah, they land them all and they go pick them up. I would not be surprised here. No, neither would I. And they're so tricky. They're so tricky. And because I was wondering how the heck that, you know, like rocket labs being made out to be so legit. And then as soon as you start, I'm like, well, there you go. Because it's all just bleeding taxpayers and siphoning money to do absolute BS stuff. Because I think... Yeah, they certainly have tons of money, tons of money that they spend on it. Yeah. What was I saying to something about the New Zealand, New Zealand now spending, they used to spend 1% of GDP on the military and now they spend, or was it the SIS? They used to spend, oh, anyway, the SIS budget has gone four times to where it was. Yeah. Oh, that sounds interesting. I just wonder how their, you know, I wonder when their bosses, you know, say that they've drawn attention to themselves. Oh, that's right. And the other thing, you remember the woman with the kiss girl, right? Who was, she's the head of the SIS. She's the kind of civilian. Whereas Jacinda is, well, now Hipkins is the head of the SIS. Oh! Man! You know, I mean, man, Rebecca Kitteridge, yeah, right? Who was saying, oh, you know, if you see people doing, somebody should send us, send one of these reports and say, is this what you mean? What should we watch out for? Right? Yeah, we found this. You guys are doing a great job. So what do you want us to tell you? You know? Yeah. We've seen people walking around in, you know, Islamic garb. Should we report them to you? What do you think? You know? It's like your podcast, Liz, that I was listening to again from 2021 about the leaked document and the government signing that agreement with some very unsavoury people. Put it that way. Yeah. Yeah. The one that you shared recently with the guy, I can't remember his name, Stace. The guy, Stace. Oh, right. Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is about the, this is about, yes, our dear leaders, their office signed off a treason document in 2020, 2020. There's a lot of very, very naive people in this country. And this is why this talk of racism is so wrong and so destructive. Right? It's Marxist ideology. It's, what do they call it? Anarchic tyranny. Right? Anarcho-tyranny, I think is the word for it. Where they put up a whole lot of divisions within society and then they paid them off against each other. But it's so, in this country, it is so false. It's so false. Yeah. Yeah. I think anybody who gives a damn must see it. Yeah, because it's so bloody obvious, isn't it? Even someone I know who works down in South Island for one of the councils down there, I mean, yeah, she's, I told her a little, a few truths about what happened in Hawke's Bay and how they blew up the, the council blew the stock banks of the, to save Taradale and just washed out all of those poor residents in Pakawhai. Well. She was too scared to speak out, but I noticed on her Facebook. Well, I asked a question about that and I said, I asked a friend, who knows, and I said so, I said a lot of, you know, I heard that there were non-New Zealand troops that were involved in that, blowing that up. And, oh, we were talking about the slash and I was talking about, you know, all that slash, that took out a whole lot of buildings and people. Hell yeah. And I said, well, so the, and then I'd said, and then in the conversation was also this comment about, you know, non-New Zealand troops blowing up the, to save Taradale. And he said, oh, no, that was the insurance company's idea. Oh, mate. Really? Yep. Through a bank. Wow. Through a bank. So, here we go again. Because they doubled it, don't they? So the insurance, the whole insurance system is, as soon as we, we pay them and then they access. Oh, another thing I found out. The, the, who's, who's, who's the investors in Rocket Lab? We've got quite a few different investors, but an interest, two interesting New Zealand ones, the Tyndall Foundation, which was the warehouse owner, right? Original owner of warehouse. And ACC. Jeepers, really? ACC, who were also investors in the Pike River mine. They just filter all the money, all the money that unsuspecting Kiwis are paying, just all filtered into these bloody money laundering situations. Yeah, well, you know, and then, and then all of the money, and then some of it goes off to the Ukraine. And they're the biggest, they're the biggest launderers and, and, well, not so much laundering because you get, you can get weapons off them in exchange. And of course, we had the Ukrainians coming in without any vaccinations on special passports, etc. As soon as that ticked off. New Zealand must be, per head of population, the most corrupt country in the world. And I'm all kind of getting to the point of thinking, I don't think these people who are corrupt even understand what, what it means. They just, they're just so used to it. That's the way the world goes. They don't even see it, right? They didn't see, they couldn't see coercion. They can't see corruption. No. They're just, they're just soaked in it. Right from when they're little kids, I'd say. Because it's in families. It's in families in this country. Clinically insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, don't be ashamed, Jo. It's okay, but be active. Expose it. Work to bring it down. Because then it's our job. Yeah. We're not like that. No. No. No, definitely not. Definitely not. Okay, so that was me for tonight. I was at the library working and then I was, oh, I've got to get back for the, for the, and it was about coming up to six o'clock. I thought, oh, I'll go and have, I'll go and have, I'll go to the food court, so. Yeah. Oh, that's one good thing about living in, living in. Yes, it's kind of good sometimes. You know, Waikete is nice if you've got time to go down to the beach, etc. But when you haven't got time. Yeah. The city's the place to be. Yeah. You must be not missing the boat trips, I guess. Dave says, yeah, I never bothered me the boat trips. I never noticed it really. But it was getting to and from. Sometimes they were getting cancelled, you know, poor old, full of staff. They all got bloody jabbed and, oh, terrible. Dave's saying something about Dawson's making a, making a movie about the blowing of the stock banks. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that, Dave? Yeah. Yes, I just must get pissed off, actually. All New Zealanders talking about all these stuff all the time. All the pop opera stuff. No secrets around here. No secrets. There's a chap up there I know in Hawke's Bay who's doing a film. He has drones and he watches very carefully and he's right in it. And he's doing a film on the whole thing, which will come out soon. Wow. That's all I know. Fantastic. We need to get that going. That's beautiful. We need to get that worldwide. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully Counterspin will get hold of it. Yeah, that'll be good to see. Yeah. Talking of Counterspin, if you want to have a look at what we were referring to about the treason documents, back in about June of 2021, early programmes, you'll find them, because I can't recall the numbers, but there were two back-to-back. One was called, they were both called A Nation Betrayed. So that's Nation, N-A-T-I-O-N, Betrayed with a question mark. And you should find them. Because they were put up on lots of different, what do you call them, platforms. So, you know, you'll find them. You'll find them. Yeah. I'll go and see if I can find them on their website now. Yeah. Michael, what's up? I'm not sure whether it was Liz Gunn's website or Counterspin's Telegram site. Apparently the Australians are having trouble recruiting cops, and they're talking about getting 450 foreign police officers in. Yeah. I bet they are. Foreign. Yeah. Have you heard anything about that? Ness is on. She's Australian. Have you heard anything, Ness? Yeah. Yeah. It's 500 per state. And they just, that's right, foreign. And they don't, they just need to have their qualification from their country. There's like, it's true. True, Michael. Nathan, here. We've got a whole lot. Remember a while back we got a whole lot from the UK. And I think we got quite a few from Northern Ireland. And they were an awful lot, actually. But you've got, you get some real good ones, too. But, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty dangerous when you get foreign police in. I wish we could export our politicians somewhere. We've got an excess of them. We've got an excess of them. Yeah. Biden's in Ireland at the moment, isn't he? Gosh, poor Ireland. So I saw a quick clip before I came on. I know where the smallest islands are. They're called the, excuse me, called the Auckland Islands. They're down in the Southern Ocean there. Fantastic place. Only, you know, Manus Island. Where's that? Where's Manus Island? Not going to tell me. Yeah, the foundation, the, what do you call it, foundation has gone, they've resigned out of it, Trudeau Foundation. It's CEO and President of them or something. Couldn't be. It's just, you know, a merry-go-round of cushy jobs. Who knows? But, yeah. I'd love New Zealand to be the first one to jail somebody. Yeah, it'd be good, wouldn't it? We've certainly got plenty of candidates. Yeah. What was those, those counter-spin episodes, Liz? The true meaning of the, no, that won't be it, will it? They were called Episode 1 and 2 of A Nation Betrayed. Okay, in 2021, did you think? No, no, they were earlier than that. Way back, like right back at the beginning. Yeah, sort of six or nine or something like that. No, I'll find those. I know the ones you mean. Because the first one, I sort of, right back, there's another one, and I don't know where it is. It could be that the mate took it down. I don't know. He's still working in the resistance, if you like. Curious Kiwi is the filmmaker, and it's Q-U-R-I-O-U-S, I think. Something like that. Curious Kiwi. And he made a, I interviewed a couple of guys, well, one guy, it looks like, but there were two there, down in Hamilton. And I came back, and then I did the first one of A Nation Betrayed. And at that stage, I was thinking that the sign-off of the treason document had been done by Jacinda herself, and that was proven not to be true because the second one, I think it was the second one, or was it even a third one where we actually got the, we were given clips of the traitorous people visiting Treasury, visiting the Government House and seeing the Governor General's private secretary or official secretary, and the Prime Minister, oh, and Treasury, right? And it was filmed. They didn't know they were being filmed. You could tell it was a body cam of some kind, or it was a bag, being carried in a bag with a lens, right? Just by a very sneaky guy, we got good on him in the end because we wouldn't have had absolute proof otherwise, that these government departments basically had handed over our country. And it was on Curious Kiwi? Curious Kiwi, but I don't know what it was called, can't remember. No, that's cool. He could have taken it down, but I know the other two are definitely up. So on the counterspin, yep, so they're in the chat now, those. Oh, good. Well done. So we can watch those tomorrow. Okay. Super interesting. So anybody got any more news on the, what do they call it, intelligence front? Yeah. Lots of intelligence in here, I don't know about in Parliament, but yeah, plenty of intelligence here. Yeah, that's right. Oh, Robin, here you go. Yeah, well, I listened to an interview with the Lewis Cahill, and she was saying that in 1917, Ireland, the Irish Brotherhood, secured the land for the people, the sovereign rights, or whatever you call them, and by basically naming and registering the country as Eire, and she said with that, they're able to actually run, they're in the process of doing the same, because with Britain, with England, Scotland, and Ireland, and she said, but in Australia, she gave Australia as an example, in legislation, you know, where it says and including, so when and including only includes what comes after it, Australia has only three little islands, and actually New Zealand's the same, although they refer to New Zealand as all sorts of different things in legislation, but we have and including, and I don't know which three they are, but I'm pretty sure we've got Niue and Tokelau and one other, or something like that, and so what she's saying is that it's taking a while, but they're working through the process of being able to set up their own courts, because she says the corporation in Ireland isn't actually registered as this country of substance that we're standing on, and because it's a corporation, and they can't actually rule us, it's fraudulent, so they're going through that process. She said they're quite a way along the way with Ireland, because the Irish Brotherhood set up IR as a country, recognised and it had to be recognised with the Universal Postal Service, or something like that, and maybe have the flag registered, but they actually went through that process way back when, and it's held the country, so I don't quite know where that leaves all the rest, but it was just really interesting listening to her, because she said you've got to do it properly, if you're going to change over a system, you've got to have a justice system that's just and done properly. That was just a really interesting interview. Yeah, that is interesting. Well, of course, you've heard me talk about 1649 again, before. 1649, the 30th of January, when Charles I was executed, that law that came in on that day said that you were not allowed to put a king over England, Ireland, which wasn't divided up at that stage, England, Ireland, and the dominions thereof. Scotland wasn't in it, okay? Scotland was independent of the UK. So, because it never became part of the Roman Empire, because of Hadrian's War, remember? And then, also, they were independent of the feudal system, right? So, Scotland itself has never come under conquest. So, it's colonial, as is New Zealand, as is Ireland, as is Australia, as is Canada. I believe that the US is as well, actually. There's lots of colonial land in the US already recognised. So, you know, this thing about the postal service, that makes me a bit nervous, because the traitors, right, used the postal system language, right? This backwards and forwards and putting dots and dashes, et cetera, et cetera. You listen to, I also did a podcast with Grant, with Grant Edwards, and I talk about, I actually talk, because I talk about the content of the documents, because you can't see the documents. You can see the documents on the counter spin, so there's no, it's redundant to talk about the language and so much. But the, and that's why I prefer radio to a certain extent, because it makes you, you're hearing it, you're visualising it, right? Whereas, if you're just looking at something, sometimes your brain isn't working, your brain isn't turned on all of the way, you're not listening. Sometimes you're looking at, you know, what's behind somebody, how they got their hair done today, what are they wearing, da-da-da-da-da. The great film and movies and television is a great way of brainwashing, because it'll just, you can convey really what you want with an image. You know, and they say, oh, an image is worth a thousand words. Yeah, it might be, but what is the image you're seeing? Yeah, and if you're assuming that there's a thousand words in there, and you hear a few of them, and you put the two things together and think, oh, that looks good, must be good, whereas with radio, you have to listen to it, and you have to form the picture in your own head, so you actually have to listen to the words. It's, I mean, radio can be used for propaganda. I'm not saying that, but at least you've got a bit more chance to process things, and your brain is, you know. Talkback radio is great that way. It is, yeah. I always look forward to anything that you do with Grant and anybody else, yeah. Yeah, I like doing interviews with Grant. Grant Edwards, that is, of Podbean. I just love to do, I just love to talk all the time. I can't be bothered with all this other work, but never mind. You do a lot of good with your talking too, Liz, so carry on. Yeah, well, sometimes maybe we should blank the screen, though, because maybe people are thinking something else while I'm talking. No, definitely not. Definitely not. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah, it's all good. Like you say, it's nice to tune out of how something looks and just listen, eh? Yeah. I love looking at your backgrounds, actually, having said that. You've got really interesting backgrounds with all the pictures on and everything. Has anybody ever watched it? She's a great one to listen to, and her charts are great. Amazing Polly. Which one? Is she the Scottish lady? No, no. She's Canadian or American, one or the other. Okay. And she does these most amazing mind maps. She investigates all of these people, who's connected to who, what the companies are they've got, what their investments are, and oh, just beautiful. Just fantastic. What place? She's on YouTube, I think. I don't know. A lot of people, this is the thing, you know, a lot of people left YouTube. But, you know, it's kind of like, well, you know, you don't want to preach to the choir. Yeah, Susan, you've seen her. Yeah, very, very good. I used to watch YouTube a lot before I got interested in doing other things. But what's-his-name is on YouTube too. Lee Williams is on YouTube. What would her channel be called? Is it Amazing? I think it's called Amazing Polly. She's also on, I mean, everybody knows her with that. You shouldn't change your name. Yeah, there you go, Anna. She's got it. You know, if you're known by that, keep up with it. Absolutely. There was another guy too called George Webb, who used to do some terrific stuff, you know, joining all of the docs or attempting to. Okay, thank you, Ness. Oh, right, of course, Ness does the content link. Of course. Remember, thank you, Ness. And thank you too to Rhonda. I hope Rhonda's continuing to come on. Rhonda does, what do you call it for us? You put the, not translate, you make a. Transcript. Put the film into words. Yeah, transcript. Transcript. Thank you, thank you. Transcript. Yep, gotcha. Okay. Ness does an amazing job of the transcripts and all the links. He does. Yep. Lee has been banned off YouTube again. Oh, Lord. You've got to go Rumble. Rumble. Yeah, Rumble's good. Rumble's good. Liz, you've made mention of alloidal claims. Has any unforeseen or negative aspects come up in regard to alloidal claims that we hadn't foreseen? I mean, have there been anything weird happen around them that we didn't predict would be the outcome or anything along those lines? No, I don't think so. You know, here we go again with the, you know, try and manipulate the, what would you call it, the racial. But it's not racial, it's political situation in New Zealand that has been stirred up. Certain people think that, you know, they've got their name on the title. Well, they haven't. And saying, well, that belongs to us. No, you've got to go away. No, it doesn't. So there's been no negative effects with insurance? People like M&H, you want to cut off or anything like that? Oh, right. Okay. Well, no, not about the insurance. I never thought about the insurance. But the... You know, any issues with selling properties or anything like that? For example, if you say to the council, I'm not paying it anymore because it's, you know, it never belonged to the Queen of England. It certainly doesn't belong to the one who's coming up. Because it's got, you know, a special letter. And I have come across a situation where they've come back and said, right, well, we're going to write to your bank then and get the money off them. You know, they can add it to your mortgage because there's something in, I think it's the Local Government Act, that says you can go after the mortgagee. Okay. Because it's a power of attorney thing you sign with your... Yeah. Do you need to cancel that or does it automatically cancel when you pay your mortgage off? No. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, well, it should do because they've got no more contract with them. Yeah, it doesn't though. Yeah, like they'll kind of say to you, you know, would you like to borrow more money in the future? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, maybe. And then once you realise that... Then you've got your power of attorney reinstated. Now, this is interesting that you should say that because, remember, Kerry's been on a couple of times. We've talked to Kerry Richardson. And what happened with him was he went down to the bank and said, I want to withdraw my power of attorney. They said, no, no, you can't do that. And he said, why not? They said, because you'd stop paying us. So he told me this. I said, no, no, no, you have to do certain things. You know, you just don't go down and say, I want to take it away. So he did it all right. And where do we find these processes, Liz, to get the power of attorney on? I handed them all over to Kevin McCracken. Kevin should be able to send them out to you. I mean, I handed them over to Kevin on Starve the Beast. 2021 it was called at that stage. So that if people wanted to do it, they could get it off Kevin. Kevin's kind of got busy with a whole lot of other stuff, but I'm sure that he would send them to you if you just got in touch with him. But I think he uses, I think he uses a site called, or he might even use an email called, because there's an email associated with it, which was starvethebeast2021 at gmail.com, I think. But he might have changed it to 2022 at gmail.com, but you can have a try. And what about sale of properties? Has anyone done an alleged sale to someone else where you're selling the shadows on it and found hooks by the council on the property or anything like that? Well, you could do that if you wanted to. You could say, okay, well, because the paper title remains the same. What happens with the paper title, the mortgage, if you don't pay it, it will sit there. And then, you know, the next person. So they'll try and grab it in the money, in the payment phase. Yeah. What about the council? Will they try it at that point too, you reckon? What, if you sold? Yes. Yeah, but I mean, the lawyer for the other side is going to look. If you sold your property and there's a mortgage on it, the lawyer from the other side is going to say, well, you know, my buyer might like to take it over. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not talking about the mortgage. I'm talking about what happens if the council rates stack up against it. And then they try and grab it at the transfer. Oh, right. Okay. At the transfer. I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't thought about that. But you've got to remember that the transfer is possibly, because you've got to inform. You might want to inform the person you're selling to. Right. This is the number of rates. And the other thing too is that you might. I mean, the pair of attorney would need to be off. Otherwise, the council would add it to your mortgage, or if there was no mortgage, they would create one. No, they can't, because you've got to sign it. Do they? Yeah. So I'm more interested in. They can create what's called a charge. Okay. Yeah. I'm more interested in the council. A caveat, maybe. Yeah. That would be what they would probably do. Would they put it on as a caveat? Because, you know, when you borrow money for a case, right, well, it's called legal aid, right? But what it is, is you're borrowing it off the Justice Department. And then it can be put as a charge on your estate if you've got any money, right? So they can get it. So say you died and you borrowed money for legal aid and you hadn't paid them back. Then when the estate went through probate, the part of the money from a sale would go to the legal aid fund. So what happens if you die with an illegal claim? Can you will that, or can the council intercept that? No. Illegal claims are basically occupation claims. Now, this thing that I've found recently will give a lot more oomph to collodial claims because it's the report of Commissioner Spain to Governor Fitzroy back in about 1844, I think it is. Basically, it's a report of the sale of a very large part of New Zealand by Te Rauparaha and another big chief, war chief, and another load of chiefs of a huge amount of the land of New Zealand to the New Zealand Company. So a land lawyer called Commissioner Spain came over here and did the first court hearings about those claims by the New Zealand Company. You've got to read it. It's very, very, very interesting. But what it does show is that only conquest, apart from buying something or being given land, the only other way that you can get a title to land is by conquest. So what's to stop the government conquering you and taking your property? Well, because it would be an act of war against the citizen. Well, you're only one citizen. As an occupier, sorry. It would breach. It's what's going on in South Africa where the government has just come in and taken people's land because they're the wrong colour. So this is where we're going anyway. This is what the plan was, right? Why not resist it? Why not resist it with law? Yeah. No, I understand what you're saying, and I think the alleged claims are a good thing, but I'm just concerned there's some hidden side effects here that we haven't thought through. Come on, Michael. Come on. And one is, can you will the land or does it pass to your children? Or can the Crown intercept it on the way through with the council? No, no. You can make a will. The government doesn't have to have anything to do with a will. No, no, no. But the thing is, because it's an alleged claim and you're gaining sustenance from the land, what's to stop them moving on as soon as you cark it and say, right, we claim this land? Well, make sure if you go off to hospital or you're about to die, make sure you've got the person you want to pass it on to there. Living there already? Yeah. That's fine. And then the other thing is, if you do wish to sell your interest in the property on that land and move somewhere else, can they put hooks up in the transfer of the money through the banks? Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. So, you know, are there any trips there that we haven't thought about? Because no one's done that yet. The person that you sell it to has got to know that there's a mortgage sitting on it, if there's a mortgage sitting on it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not worried about a mortgage. I'm worried about the council. Oh, the caveat? Yeah. Yeah, well, the thing is that you might have to build that into your sale price, OK? Right. The other thing, Liz, though, is a caveat and all of that stuff is all related to the fee simple piece of paper title. No, not necessarily, because a caveat is basically a caveat is a buyer beware sign, right? It's like somebody might have an interest in this. You can use caveats for your own protection. For example, I used caveats to basically hold off Pingshing, Shanghai Pingshing for nearly two years because they couldn't move the Craver farms because of my caveats. Craver sold me those farms for a dollar each and I had to sell them purchase agreements. Because a trap is the money transfer would be done through a bank, unless there is another way to do the money transfer that would avoid that. Well, I think it's a down the road thing, yeah. Now, I'm not saying go out and grab a whole lot of public land and try selling it to somebody. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm just saying that if I did a little claim on my property and then decided to move further out, am I going to get hit with a whole lot of hidden costs that I'm not expecting? Because the Māori lands and stuff, they could never sell, right? They would just pass on to other people. This is the interesting thing about this rocket. That's in, what do you call it, Te Ture Whenua Land Act, okay? And that's because, a lot of it's because you've got a whole lot of owners, right? And it's like herding cats. But the other thing, too, with land under Te Ture Whenua, you can't borrow off the banks. But I'll tell you how the banks got, how they got around that in the Waikato. They borrowed the money on what was called no-recourse loans, right? Which means that they can come and take over the running of the farm or whatever, but they can never take the land, okay? So they could, really, what should happen when people get into financial trouble if you're a business, that's what the receivers should be doing. But what they're doing is they're taking them businesses and they're selling them off cheap to their mates, right? That's where the, that's where the, that's where the crazes were with, they were in receivership. But that doesn't make any difference to their title. No, well, I mean, they could still live on the land in their homes, obviously, they couldn't. Yeah, yeah. And I said to them, stay there. You're an occupation. They can't move you. They don't have, you're the registered proprietor. The only thing they could grab was the business assets on that land, like you said, run the business. Well, yeah, and that's what they were doing. But they were trying to get the crazers off because then they could pass the title unencumbered without an occupier. Yeah, and that's where the alloyed protection would come in. Yes, because I never thought of alloyed at the time of the crazers. Yeah, the thing is, though, the moment they kicked the bucket. Yeah, but they had sons and daughters and etc. But the thing is, Michael, you're thinking about a year ahead. I am. I'm thinking probably two years ahead. I'm thinking probably in two years we've got this sorted. Because this is the answer to the SNAs. This is the answer to Three Waters. This is the answer to all of the farmers who are going to the war and who are killing themselves over it. Yeah, but it's buying them time. But I mean, the question for me is... It's not just time. It's not just time. This is not a stock gap. This is it. You're never going to get Key Simple back again. But I'm just asking for myself personally what the implications are in that if I did want to sell a property after doing that, am I going to get hit with some hidden costs? You're not going to get hit. The person that you're going to sell on to is in the present system, yes. Yeah. So, OK, that's fine. That was the question. You build that into your selling price. So I'd have to deduct it from my selling price, yeah. And you've got to be absolutely upfront about what you've done. Yeah. No, that's cool. That's just a clarification because everyone's been a little bit sorry-eyed about it, to be honest. And this is a bit of a negative. It's not a big negative. It can be managed. There's no problem there. But, you know, I'd hate to see someone blindsided who got caught here without knowing about it. No, but that's called personal responsibility. Yeah, it is. But we've also got to tell the full truth, not just part of it. No, Liz has always done that, though. I'm not saying she didn't. I'm just clarifying this for myself. Because the thing with the rates and all that, there is perfectly legal mechanisms for discharging things like that. Again, if you do, you educate yourself and, yeah, there's ways of... You can go back and start paying your rates again if you want. Well, I think it's a brilliant lever to stop the chlorination and the fluoridation of the water. Just say, right, we're not paying. Fluoridation of the water. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because we've got a massive lever there. If we all go a load, we all... And say, right, we're not paying our water rates unless you stop trying to poison us with it. I like it. I like it. It's a very good way to go. There's a group in Hamilton that's working on all this stuff. And they've got the Hamilton Council and the Auckland Council on the back foot. And it's spreading through the country like wildfire. I think Geoff was going to catch up with you, Liz. Oh, good. I did give him your email address. He was keen to catch up. Yeah, keen to catch up. Oh, Robin's done an email. Yeah. Very good. Very good. Well, you know, the people who have... Yes, yes, it's true. They do say, right, we're going to tell the bank. So we've... And I can tell you, I'll keep you up with it. Because I'm the co-trustee on that piece of property. So I had to sign the deed that took the power of attorney off them as well. So we will see. Yeah. Yeah, if you're mortgage free, it's easier. It certainly is. Yeah. And the ones who are mortgage free, I think Carey is mortgage free. They wanted to give him another mortgage. Yeah, well, I'm mortgage free too, but I don't know if the power of attorney has been wiped or not. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah, you just asked them. Well, they told me they did, but I've got nothing in writing to say. You can get the documents and do it. Yeah, I might do that. Yeah. I will do that, actually. Because you don't want them having that anyway. Ask your lawyer. Is that the joke for the evening, is it? Yeah, I've just been through $400. Yeah. You get quite a few nice meals for $300 or $400, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Thank you. Cool. OK, better say goodnight. I've still got some work to do. Blimey. Yeah. OK, thanks, Robin. Thanks, guys. Very good. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for coming along. Good night. Yeah, fun time. We'll see you on Friday. Bye. Yeah, thanks, guys. Thank you. I wonder what will have happened by Friday, huh? Yeah. Wow. A great evening. Good night. Thank you. See you, everyone. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you. See you, everybody. Bye.