22924 - Editing

Hi. Hi. How are you? So good. We're in the closet again. It's kind of romantic. So what are we going to talk about today? Do we want to go backwards a little bit and talk about kind of how we got here? Yeah. The setup. Okay. How did the great experiment come about? Our lifestyle was very traditional. We were working and I was a full-time mom and had been for the duration of our marriage. I mean, at the time, we had six kids. Jordan was out of the house, but we still had five kids at home. And I had been a full-time caretaker for the whole of their lives and basically the whole of our marriage because we had a kid so early on. You had some jobs through our marriage, but they were kind of hit and miss and you guys have been out for a year or six months and then... It was more like side hustles because I had everything I did, I did from home. I never worked outside the home. But the drawback is that you didn't really have any, a lot of experience kind of out in the world working with other people. Yeah. We talked about how that was, maybe you needed or wanted it a little earlier. I probably did. I loved being a mom. I still love being a mom and I really loved having little kids. And so I found a lot of satisfaction and joy in doing the things that I did, but I also craved stimulation. I wanted to think and solve problems and make a difference and interact with the world. And so I actually feel really lucky that I found ways to do that even though I was at home with the kids. Yeah. I think the beginnings of that was probably blogging. Yeah. I started... I think where you were interacting really with the outside world a lot. Yeah. Where you felt like your voice was being maybe heard by some people outside of just our normal circle. Yeah. Well, and the blogging is what led to the writing, which led to everything else. And so for sure, that was probably the beginning. Do you want to talk about maybe quickly just the transition from blogging to writing, like how you made that leap? Yeah. So I started a blog and I remember Henry was a baby, like I remember the very first blog post I ever wrote. So this would have been 16, 17 years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was pregnant with Henry because if you remember, there's the lady in Franklin that looked at me with the three kids in the car and a pregnant belly and said, haven't you figured out what causes that yet? What was that yet? Yeah. Yeah. She wasn't the only one. Yeah. Lots of comments like that. I always wanted to be like, yeah, but if you could see my husband, you'd understand why I did that. That was my most sarcastic response because I just loved that people felt like they could talk to me about my sex life, even though they were strangers. Anyway, I remember writing a blog post about that encounter. That was my first blog post and I started writing about what it was like to have four little babies and people started reading it, but I didn't know and I thought that's weird. And actually there was a friend called me and was like, you're so funny. You should write a blog. And it just, so I just had never thought about it, but I did read the blog, liked having people read what I was writing and started to wonder if it could become something more. And so I took a creative writing class and loved it. And so then I wrote a novel and the whole time that I was first, when I first started writing, I thought maybe I will be able to speak. I want to be a public speaker. I want to be able to talk to people. And I thought, oh, if I write a book, then maybe people will ask me to talk. But then I just fell in love with writing fiction. So that the first book that I ever wrote, I actually got a publishing deal on. And then that just sort of started my journey into writing fiction and publishing more. Yeah. I remember when you submitted the manuscript and it took something like six months, nine months. It was crazy. It was 18 months. I waited 18 months. Was it that long? Yeah. I submitted and then I waited 18 months to hear back. And it was just because the publishing house was transitioning and their acquisitions editors were shifting around and there were a lot of things that were outside of my control that impacted how long it took. I remember being long enough that we kind of forgot about it. Yeah. It was just out there. I mean, I didn't forget. But yeah. We didn't talk about it. It was not something that was daily on the table. I mean, like, I think I had another baby. We were busy. But it wasn't likely. I mean, statistically. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. It was going to go in the stack. And I don't even think you knew about the stack, really. Yeah. At least you didn't know the internal workings of how that worked. Yeah. I mean, the statistics that someone told me later was that something like seven out of every 1,000 manuscripts that they were submitted were actually picked up. So odds were not good. And I didn't write another word. Because in my mind, if they said no, then I just needed to find a different hobby. If they said like, which sounds so shallow, because, you know, you get better the more you write. But in my head, I was like, well, I can either do it or I can't. So if they say no, I'm done. But then they said yes. And I thought, well, I guess I should write another one. So continuing on, you... Yeah. So I did four books, one a year, without publishing house. And I guess the first one was released in 2013. So then I released one in 14, 15, and then 16. And I had another baby. And, you know, it was... And to give some, I guess, context and sort of detail, these were not really very profitable ventures. Oh, no, no. It was more about kind of, you know, what was going on in the world. It was more about, you know, what was going on in the world. And I think that's what you were saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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