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Reggie S. discusses his experiences with the criminal justice system and the impact it had on his emotional, physical, and spiritual well-being. He talks about his struggles with mental health, substance abuse, and the lack of emotional support before and during his time in the system. Reggie emphasizes the importance of taking care of one's mental and physical health in order to successfully transition into the community. He also discusses his journey towards finding faith and hope, and how it has helped him change his mindset and live a healthier life. All right, welcome to the Twin Cities Recovery Project and Newcomer, hosted by me, Jamal Kling. I'm sitting here with Reggie S., and today we are going to talk about checking individuals for a three-block podcast segment in their transitioning community from the criminal justice system, engaging with peers in the eight-dimensional wellness, and how meeting the needs or lack of has affected their transition into the community. Welcome, Reggie. Introduce yourself. Yes, my name is Reggie S. Thank you, Twin Cities, for allowing me to come and be part of this podcast. I truly appreciate it. Maybe I can give some valuable information to those and some insight to what the criminal justice system before, after, and during is like. So we can start the Q&A. Cool, cool. So we're going to talk about the emotional dimension right now on this first segment part of the podcast. Tell me a little bit about yourself. Well, I'm 60 years old. I've been in and out of the criminal justice system for most of my adult life. I have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety disorder. I will say I have issues with trusting others. I can feel it on that trust issues. I had to deal with that myself. So you had mentioned that you had struggled with mental health as well as the criminal justice system. So how do those two things correlate for you? Those two things correlate for me because if I wasn't taking care of my mental health or dealing with my mental health, it allowed me to act out and do things that was not just harmful for myself but harmful for my family and all the people that was involved in my life. For those who was trying to help me, hey, I didn't care nothing about them. I was all about what Reggie wanted, when Reggie wanted, how Reggie wanted, and to hell with anybody else. Yeah. So what feelings or emotions come up when you talk about this process of your emotions in the early stages before entering the criminal justice system? You know, they say anger is just a secondary emotion because a lot of times that's the first thing we know. Males, black males, brown males, that's what we know, anger, frustration, scared, fear. That was the beginning process. Then when I went into the criminal justice system, got involved, then it was like, hey, what's next? How will I have to deal with my emotions? And I bottled them all up, buried them, pushed them down, didn't deal with them. I know we've had conversations before and you mentioned something about the fear of unknown, fear of the unknown of the world, self, and others. What does that look like for you? The fear of unknown. That's just like not having control, allowing someone else to have control because I don't know what's going on with myself, not only with myself but with my mental health or my emotional health, period. So what emotional supports did you have or what emotional supports did you lack around this period before coming into the criminal justice system? I had street emotional support. I had people on the street telling me, hey, men don't cry. We don't show emotions. We don't care. Hey, have a heart of ice. For a better word, F people. They don't care nothing about you so why would you care about them? So I didn't have no emotional attachments. My emotional attachments were what I learned from people on the street that they didn't know how to deal with their emotional attachments or just lack of emotions. Yeah. Would you say that you have had positive emotional support in that period as well? Not as much. Not as much because I come from a household. My mother was a single parent. My dad wasn't around. The emotional support that I had, I really, my mother don't have any, I don't have any uncles and aunts or uncles so therefore all my emotional support came from the streets or, oh, is this what it's supposed to be like? I see a TV show. Oh, the cops be saying that's how it's supposed to be. But, no, it's in reality that was. Don't apply in real life, right? Don't apply at all. So let's talk about this coming into the criminal justice system. When was the first time that you entered into the system? First time I entered into the criminal justice system, I was 14 years old. You know, mama said if you want to be grown, be grown. You're not going to be grown in this house. So I was out on the street at 14 years old doing what I thought a grown man was supposed to do. But I was a teenage boy, didn't have no direction of what was going on in my life. You know, I ended up in foster care, a group home. And, hey, that didn't do much good for my emotional support as well. Yeah, this is a lot to unpack, especially when you're taken away from the home setting that you're accustomed to and trying to go out there. And you're going into different systems where people just, they don't want, they ain't got the time or they don't want to put in the time to kind of work on some of the issues that we have when they pop up. Did you feel that you, that was like that for you as you're going in the system? Of course. Like no one cared. Nobody cared. I mean, of course. I felt like, hey, I'm on my own. I mean, I'm a naive teenage boy, don't know nothing about jail, don't know nothing, thought I knew about the streets, didn't know nothing about the streets. I always, I got an analogy I always say. You put a rabbit in a snake den, what you think going to happen? So I either had to learn how to be a snake or get ate up by the snake. So eventually I had to learn to adapt. That's all human natures do. We're going to adapt to our situation and adapt it. Was it a good adaption? Sometimes. Some of the things that we hold on to have got us here, right? There's always a silver lining sometimes. Let's talk about that silver lining. Where did this transition of recognizing your emotions start? Like that, hey, maybe there's a benefit to look into this emotional regulation and expressing these emotions. Later on in my teen years, later on in my teen years, I started to realize that some of my core values, some of my core beliefs and some of my priorities was wrong. As humans, we're made of not just our mothers, but our fathers as well. So we are emotional people. So I had to learn how to recognize that, hey, what I'm feeling is fear. It's not anger. What I'm feeling is frustration. What I'm feeling is, hey, I'm being scared because this is something that I never had to do before in my life. To take an inventory of myself to realize that, hey, the things that you were taught or the things that you have been believing in for so long are a lie. Yeah. I like that you touched on that core beliefs. Core beliefs are our most deeply held assumption about ourselves, the world, and others. Our core beliefs only get us so far. Sometimes we have to check into them and evaluate and see if they're actually serving us. And if they're not, we have to address and change them. So what core beliefs did you have about yourself? That I couldn't be myself. I had to hide. I had to put on multiple masks for multiple people to be multiple things. And I'm only one individual. And by doing those things, I was not being authentic to myself. I wasn't being the real or original Reggie. As we say, because addiction played a part as well, it's a chameleon. Hey, I'm going to be who I could be to get what I want when I needed to get what I needed. And those things was detrimental to me as well. So when did you enter like a major criminal justice system, federal or at that state? State level. I entered at the state level of criminal justice system when I was 18 years old for a property crime. Then eventually I get out. I was right back in maybe two months later. So off and on for the last 40 years of my life, I've been in and out of juvenile or adult correctional facilities. So what was that emotion? How did you regulate your emotions in there? Was there a point, like I'm sure early on, I know for myself, experience in there early on, my first two bits, I was like, you know, show my ass. You know, really out there. I was an inmate, you know. There's that concept of the inmate, the convict. You know, I wasn't staying in my lane. I was trying to get in everybody else's lanes. And I didn't really check in on all this emotional side of me, PTSD, you know, the traumas that I had growing up, coming up. Did you experience that or was it? For me, I was 18. I was in the street gang or organization as they call them now or whatever. I think they related them to groups. Okay. I mean, I go to a lot of groups. I didn't know where gang was hanging out. Right. Well, back then it was organization. We had a little structure. So I was forced to stay in my lane to a certain extent, but I never dealt with my emotions. I never dealt with the anxiety. I never dealt with the trauma that I was going through in my life. I never dealt with those things. Hey, Reggie, I want you to do this. I need you to do this. Carry a knife. Okay, carry a knife. I want you to be a little security. Okay, whatever. So that was how I was dealing with my emotional state then. Okay. So transitioning out into the community, what did that look like? How did you prepare yourself emotion-wise to kind of like have this change that you're going through right now? First and foremost, I had to understand that didn't nobody do anything to me to get me locked up. I mean, yes, it was mitigating factors, certain things happening in my life that allowed me to get locked up, but the reality of it is didn't nobody point a gun to my head and say, go commit a crime. I done that. So that was the first thing that I had to understand. And the second thing I really had to really deep down dig in and say, you know what, Reggie, if you don't start dealing with your mental and emotional health, you will continue to be incarcerated. Yes, facts. I can relate to that. So then I just, like I said, I just, because everybody says, hey, you're in jail. You get yourself. No, some people care too else about you. If you don't care about yourself, you're not going to change. So I had to, like I said, dig deep and realize, hey, man, my mental and emotional health, the anger, the resentment, the hatred or the fear that I had not just for myself or the unknown, but for the people that I thought owed me something, I had to let that shit go. Letting it go. So what experience on emotional wellness do you suggest to others that are struggling with emotions as they transition or as they're sitting in the criminal justice system or maybe doing things that might land them in there? First and foremost, man, understand that you're not dealing with this shit by yourself. Find someone that you're comfortable with to talk to and not going to be judgmental of you. And open up to them, let them know what you're going through, the shit that you feeling. You know, like for me, it was time that I thought about suicide, but I wouldn't tell nobody about the shit. I'll just let that shit eat at me, eat at me, eat at me. And basically, I was committing suicide every day when I used to go buy drugs from somebody, didn't know what the fuck I was getting. So first I could tell people, this is my suggestion. Don't keep that shit closed in. Ask for help because there's a lot of people out here that's willing to help. And we'll go that extra mile, not just at 12 in the afternoon. They'll come and sit with you and talk with you at 2 in the morning. Pain shared is pain lessened. Thank you. So we're going to switch over to the physical side. So my question is, was physical wellness part of your journey? The physical wellness part of my journey is to make sure, first and foremost, that I stay healthy. Let me rephrase. How did that look like before transitioning and going into the criminal justice system? I didn't give a fuck about no doctors. Fuck the doctors. Something went wrong, man. It's self-medication, man. What you mean a doctor? I ain't got no money to pay for no doctor. I ain't got time to go to the emergency room that's cutting into the shit that I'm doing. I ain't got time for that shit. And people don't understand. If your physical health ain't no good, your mental health ain't no good. So I had to learn to take care of my physical health in order to start dealing with my mental health. So you're talking about this self-medicating. So we're also here talking about the criminal justice system, but we're also here talking also about that recovery piece for you. What did your substance use disorder start? What does that look like? My substance use disorder started very young, when I was 11, 12 years old. Everybody say marijuana is the gateway drug. I just feel like I ain't got me. Personally, I have addictive compulsive disorder. I'm going to get addicted to something, whether it was money, whether it was drugs. It just happened to be drugs. It started at a young age for me. Went from marijuana to, like people say, my drug of choice is this. My drug of choice was anything that I wanted to use to get high off of. There was no really particular drug of choice. I preferred using opiates, but that's where it started. That's how. So how did that play a major part in your physical health? Played a major part in my physical health because if I felt a pain, I said, oh, I don't even need to go to the doctor. I can just use self-medication. And my body was telling me, hey, man, there's something wrong other than that. There's other, hey, man. And then when I decided to get into recovery and go get a physical, come to find out certain things was going on. Hey, man, you got high blood pressure. You got your borderline diabetes. You got high cholesterol. Oh, wait a minute. What do I got to do to reverse these things? So I was taught and learned that I had to learn to eat better, exercise, and just do healthier things. So what contributed and helped stop this use? Would you say that a big part, like you're saying, your physical and mental, do you think that physical wellness played a big part in you not going back out there and having a reoccurrence and going to use? Yes. I would say that. And not just the physical wellness, but it's a saying in the rooms, get sick and tired of being sick and tired. Once you've spent so much time with your adult, that's not your adult life, but your life, period. In and out, allowing other people to control you and you not having control of your own self. You just say, fuck it. I'm tired. Let me do something different. Let me live a healthier life. Let me live a better life. Let me live my best life. So one would say you were going into the systems. You were kind of forced to check into your house. Ain't no question. Oh, wait. Now what's going on with me? Ain't no question. I mean, once you get part of the system, you're going to do two things. You're either going to become a better person or you're going to stay part of the system. And I wanted to become a better person. It allowed me constantly. A lot of times we say stay out of our head, but it allowed me to stay in my head to reevaluate and to inventory some things that I needed to change in my life. So how's your health today? Great. Like I said, I'm 60 years old, no borderline diabetic, man. I can outrun a 30-year-old. I can outwork a 30-year-old. I mean, hey, I'm in great health, man. I got health insurance, so if my body telling me something, I'm going to check it out. So you check in. You check in to learn the importance of your health today. Ain't no question. That's what's up. That's what's up. So, yeah, if we all don't know, this young gentleman over here is looking pretty sharp and dapper at, what did you say, 60? At 60. At 60. You know, they have that crack, black don't crack. It is out there. We need to bottle that. So let's talk about that spiritual side. So I'm going to start with this. Do you have a higher power? Yes, I do. What does that higher power look like to you? My higher power looked at to me today is every day I get up, first and foremost, I give thanks to my higher power for this day. For this moment. For this opportunity. I got a lot more gratitude today than I did before entering into the justice system. Hell, truthfully, I ain't know nothing about gratitude, empathy, compassion, or none of that shit. I used to say, man, I'm going to go out there and get hit by a truck. I wouldn't give a fuck. I'm digging in their pockets to see if they got some money in there to get out of there. But today I'm grateful. I'm grateful that people in my life is willing to help me. They trust me enough to allow me to be on this journey with them. So that sounds powerful. Was it always like that? How was your spiritual journey in the beginning? What kind of... Were you religious? Were you family cultural? Were you spiritual or religious? Nah. Nah, I mean, growing up, man, I mean, it was borderline spiritual and religious. I mean, I knew about certain religions. I knew about certain... But for me, it's more about spirituality. It's more about getting in tune with who I am and the people around me. I mean, it's more about... But before I went incarcerated, honestly, I gave two F's about higher power. I used to tell people, man, hey, man, as bad as it was, I used to do some awful things. You know what I mean? I'm just grateful that I learned to forgive myself and be able to move forward. So who did you say brought you up in your spiritual values? My moms. I mean, things would go on in our lives. You know, black family, boy, pray. Just pray, boy. It's going to be okay. Just pray. Mommy, it ain't that easy. They just pray all the time. We got to put some work in. Boy, it's going to be okay. Just pray. God got you. It'll be all right. You know, in itself, it does have power. It does. It does. It does just feel like, hey, someone's watching over us, right? Yes. Were you rebellious and blameful to your higher power at any point? All the time. All the time. That's not just sometimes. I was all the time. I had to learn that my higher power was not just, you know, the people outside of me, but I was a higher power. People around me that was allowing me to be part of their life was part of the spiritual battles that I was dealing with. Was I rebellious? Hell, yeah. Ain't no question. Hey, you know you're not supposed to do that. God don't give two F's about me, so why can't I do it? Yeah. Quick to blame. Yeah. Blame the higher power and be like, no, he ain't here. He's not. It's okay. For me, I always looked at it like I used to say I was victimized, so it justified that I victimized others. You know, just that wicked concept and saying that like, why God me? Why you do this to me? And really it's like, thank you. Thank you. I understand. Like I said, that was my thing. You hurt me, so I'm going to hurt you. If I don't hurt you, I'm going to hurt somebody else. You know, like I said, one of my, when we was talking earlier, we was talking about core beliefs. One of my core beliefs, if some of y'all are old enough that's going to listen to this, was Beretta. You know, they say, hey, you can't do the time, don't do the crime. That was my thing and so on, so that was until I had to realize that I was giving myself permission to hurt people, go to jail and continue to hurt people and go to jail and continue to hurt myself, I had to change that. So you would say you had faith and hope to change. Ain't no question. So what does that faith and hope look like? How did that change go? Because earlier you had said that I just had to adapt, but now we're talking about change. For myself, I used to say, oh, I can always revert back. I can adapt to my situations. I can't change. But really, what's that change look like? I had to have a little bit of faith and hope that, you know what, I can actually push through and do these things and be a productive member of society, as they say. But for me, like coming out of that criminal justice system, my last bit coming out, I was sitting there praying to God, like, please, God, just let me get this together. And, you know, I've taken care of all this drug addiction. I've taken care of all this anger, and I'm checking in on my mental state, my physical. But, you know, I went back out and got married right away after two months of being out. So I didn't check into my relationships. You know, so these relations I had, you know, and when I left this lifestyle, I had to say, hey, you know, it's everything. And I have to have faith and hope that I can change. I need that patience. So I pray on that patience. And I have it this day. You know, I have a lot of patience to deal with Jamal. Jamal, what is that faith and hope, and what were you praying on to get you through? You know, it's kind of crazy when you say that. People say, man, be careful what you pray for because you just might get it. Just might. I mean, and I know one thing for sure for me, God gave me everything that I asked for when I prayed for it. My higher power did. He didn't give it to me when I wanted it, but he gave it to me. What that looked like for me was putting in the work. Digging deep. Understanding that, hey, man, everybody ain't out to hurt me. That people are out here to help me. The world is not always a doggy dog selfish ass world. Just because I was a selfish individual, I had to let go of some of that bullshit. I just told somebody the other day, you're going to change one way or another because change is going to happen. Change is happening. So why not be part of the change that's going to allow me to be a better person? I tell people I ain't changed for nobody but me, but I'm glad the world is going to reap the benefits of my change. So you would say that you are grateful for the good and bad in your journey? Boy, no question. I mean, without the bad, I would not appreciate the good. I mean, without those struggles, I would not appreciate the fucking good times that I'm having. I would not, I mean, hey, without going through. Somebody used to tell me this, man. I used to look at my eye, okay, whatever. They say, man, just because I don't smell like smoke, that don't mean I ain't been through the fire. I just cleaned up pretty well, that's all. You know, like I said, man, you see people walking around with T-shirts that say, be patient with me because God ain't through with me yet. And I say the same thing. Be patient with me. God's not through with me yet. My higher power's not through with me. I'm still being refined. There's still things in my life that I have to do. There's still things that I have to say, man. Man, you're going back to old habits. Shake yourself ready. You know what that's going to lead to. So it's more about me recognizing myself so I do not have to adapt and revert back to old habits. Facts. So how is leading into that going into the social piece of, you know, this connection with the people that we associate with from the beginning to the end here, right? So how did your social group influence you entering the criminal justice system? My social group was, hey, I wanted to fit in. I was a people pleaser. I wanted to do everything to make everyone else happy. And, hell, I didn't care about the consequences if it was going to lead me to jail. Hey, man, they was going to be my buddies. They liked Reggie. They cared about Reggie. They wanted to be Reggie's homies. But the reality was they had two fucks about Reggie that was using Reggie. So, you know, they had some positive influences on you, right? Yes, they did. What are some of these positive influences that brought you into these groups, these social groups? I mean, what positive influence I had, they gave me the sister bologna. They made sure that regardless of how it is now, but then they made sure I went to school. I had fucked up shoes on. They made sure, hey, man, you ain't got to be like this. They did give me positive things. They showed me, hey, man, that there's people out there. They did show me that, hey, man, there's people out there that care about me. Hey, man, when I needed food or needed something for my little brothers and sisters, they was there to help me because I am the oldest brother, and I had two brothers and two sisters younger than me. So it was not all negative. I mean, like people say, oh, it's all negative, this, that. No, all of it is not negative, man. So there was importance in these groups, these people, the social settings at that time. They validated you. Yes. So did they also help reinforce some of that criminal thinking? Ninety percent of the time. Ninety percent of the time. Ninety percent of the time. It's okay to do this. They give me reason to rationalize and continue into my criminal activity, into my criminal thinking today. Before I move forward, just because I've changed and doing things different with my life, hell, I'm not saying I don't walk down the street and say, man, there go $10,000. Man, that might be a lick for me. I still have those thoughts, but the problem is I do not act on those thoughts because I know the consequences of those thoughts today. That's what it is. You know, we have like 60,000 bosses a day, 90 percent of them are negative. Right. And if we have a substance use disorder, probably 90 percent of those are like, how am I going to get out there and back out there? So we've got to combat a lot of that. And I like that you said that. So would you say that these social groups that you were involved in helped fuel that substance use disorder? As well. They help fuel the criminal, the substance, the mental and the emotional dysfunction. Yeah. Not just on the outside. When I got incarcerated into the criminal justice system, they helped fuel that as well. So there, again, I had to sit back and say, man, was these social groups a hindrance to my growth or beneficial to my growth? So what did you realize? I realized most of the time it was a hindrance to my growth. Some people was more about themselves, their selfish beliefs, their selfish priorities, their selfish getting what they want when they want it. And I had to understand that as an individual that, hey, in reality, are they going to, who doing this time? You or them? So what did it look like inside the criminal justice system? And I want to focus on this last bit that you did. What did that transition of the social piece and transitioning out here into the social piece? Well, unfortunately, my last bit, I just, come the 19th of June, I'll be out one year. Yes. Yes, congratulations. Yes, I'll be out a year. So I was incarcerated for three years. During all the uprising of the George Floyd and all the Black Lives Matter situation, I was incarcerated. So there was no social gatherings in jail. There was pandemic. Oh, stay in your room. I'm in my room 23 hours. So that gave me more than enough time to do self-inventory when I didn't want to do self-inventory. So you were forced again to get into now not only the physical but the social piece. Yes, definitely, because there was no social. You know what I mean? I had to realize that, hey, Roger, you doing this time by yourself. I mean, hey, you can only watch so much TV. You can only read so many books. So you're not getting a chance to get out there to get on the phone and talk to nobody if they want to talk to you. So, yeah, I was forced to really take some serious inventory about the things that was going on in my life at the time. So inevitably, you know, that leads to, you know, meeting up with some positive, influential organizations that you became part of. So what does that look like today? Your social group, your social settings? My social settings and social groupings now, because I am a person in long-term recovery. I'm not saying that I do not associate with people that still use, because I do. Facts. I do. All of us do. But that don't mean I have to stay with that, stay in that group of people. I just lead by example now, man. Twin City Recovery, other organizations, I go to NA means. I mean, I just get involved in my recovery more. I get involved more in my spiritual part and my mental and emotional part. I deal with people. I'm not afraid now to ask someone for help when I'm going through whatever I'm going through. Or I don't give them the same answer. Hey, Reggie, how you doing today? I'm fine. No, I'm fucked up. I'm not in the mood right now. Don't talk to me. It costs. Give me like an hour. It's double back on me right now. Give him some real facts. He's done all the fluff. Yeah. You know what I mean? Today I can tell a motherfucker, hey, man, I ain't with this shit today. Yeah. I'm not with it today. I mean, hey, how you feel today, man? I'm irritated as hell. Shit ain't going the way I want it to go. But, hey, one thing I know, that's life. And I'm going to be all right. And I'm dealing with life on life terms. Facts, facts. So you talk about this recovery. So what are you part of? What do you do for your recovery? I still go. I went through treatment, graduated. I currently still go see my therapist once a week. 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So how did you prepare yourself for the workforce when transitioning from the criminal justice system into the community? What things did you have to do for your reentry? First and foremost, you got to get an ID. Without an ID, you can't get free food. You can't get free food without an ID. So my suggestion to anybody that's an incarcerated man, make sure you work on getting you some IDs, man. Your birth certificate, social security cards, and Minnesota State ID. Man, they just passed a law come July 1st, man. We can even sign up to vote now. Yes. Yes, once you get out here on probation. Yeah, you can still vote on parole and all that, man. Parole, probation. Yeah, you can still vote. So first and foremost, get you some IDs, man. Find your skill sets. Write a resume up for some of the things that you know you're good at doing. Whether you can work with your hands or you're good at talking to people. Hey, man, some of us are professional salesmen. So if you want to work as a salesman, say, I'm a professional salesman. Hey, if you know how to fix things. But first and foremost, learn your skill sets, man. And so you can apply those skill sets when you do get into the world. What barriers did you come across? What challenges did you face? A lot of rejection. I mean, there's a lot of doors going to be closed in your face. A lot of times people, oh, man, we can't do this. We can't do that. You get frustrated. But first and foremost, man, understand, man, just because you're a felon, they can't hold that against you. They got so many programs out here. That's for felons. They got tax credits. You can get bonded. I mean, people will hire you just for that fact that you is a felon because they know they're going to get a tax break from the federal government. Yeah, I heard that they actually have something on the federal side for individuals coming out to get a grant for starting up their own business and helping them transition into that. Yes. There's things out there that we can do to tailor our life to be successful, especially when it comes to occupational. So what are some of the milestones that you've hit in your occupational self? You touched on a few jobs that you had. I'm sure they didn't just come. You had to work towards them. No, I had to work towards them. I mean, first, I mean, I had to understand what I enjoy doing, and I enjoy helping people. I mean, once you get to learn who you are as an individual, I learned myself as an individual, I'm a caretaker. I'm a person that wants to see people succeed. I'm a very optimistic person. I believe the best in any and everybody. You can change. You just got to put the work in to change. Ain't shit going to come to you out here for nothing. I just heard the other day, man, people with a lot of money, took a long time to get a lot of money. Long, long time. That shit just didn't drop when they left. They had to work at it. So if there's anything in your life that you want, you got to work at it. You got to put the work in. You have to sacrifice. You have to understand, hey, man, sometimes you got to cut some of them motherfucking people off that you think is your friends and realize they not your friends to get a better life for yourself in order to have a better life for your friends. That's facts. So that environmental piece, that's our friends, where we were, where we found ourselves in the surroundings, in the system, out here now doing things. So I got a few questions on this. Just a few. We kind of summed up a lot of this environmental stuff going on. So the question here is, how did your environment influence you entering the criminal justice system? My environment influenced me entering into the criminal justice system by, I wanted shit. My mom was a single parent with five kids. Shit, she couldn't give me them Jordans. She couldn't give me them Converse. She couldn't get this shit. I mean, she got bills she got to pay. I got other brothers and sisters that need things as well. So, hey, I mean, yeah, shoveling snow, cutting grass, delivering the newspapers, ain't going to buy no motherfucking Jordans neither. Too hard, right? It was too hard at the time. Man, I want it. I want what I want, and I want it now. I mean, I work, yeah, but shit. You got to save three checks to get it. No. So my environment played a big part of me entering into the criminal justice system. So the second part of this is how did your environment influence you while in the criminal justice system? My environment influenced me while in the criminal justice system. Good or bad? Man, when I first got in, like I said, I was 18 years old. As I got older, I started to realize when I first got in, fuck everybody. Fuck everything. I'm doing what the fuck Reggie wanted to do. Yeah, it was a little unstructured, but reality is I'm still doing what Reggie wanted to do. As I got older and started realizing, the criminal justice system forced me to say, stop the shit that you're doing or you're going to be in here for the rest of your life. Stop the shit that you're doing. Because there's some people that's in the criminal justice system, been in that motherfucker for 40 years. You give them a cell phone, they don't know what the fuck going on. They don't know how to text. They don't know how to do none of that shit. They only see that shit on the news. So when I was going out and coming back in, Reggie, what's going on? What's happening? Daily report? Yeah. I mean, they fascinated about the shit that's going on. So the criminal justice system forced me to change. Not just adapt, the criminal justice system forced me to change. That's what's up. So how does your environment influence you today while you're on here? My environment influenced me today, man. Like I said, I changed for myself. I do community outreach, man. I do community pantry, man, on the north side of Minneapolis. Man, I pass out food, man. I pass out Narcan kits, man. I get involved with the youth, man, and let them know, man, hey, you ain't got to do this. We got resources out here for you, especially in the state of Minnesota, man. Yes, definitely. Man, you want to change, put forth the effort to change, man. Stop thinking that. Hey, I tell them, you're outside of McDonald's begging for change all day. Why don't you just go inside of McDonald's and work for the $15 an hour? Hell, that's better than working for $25 an hour. So I try to surround myself. Well, I ain't going to say I try. I do. I do surround myself with people that's going to uplift me, that's going to call me on my bullshit when I'm on my bullshit. And at the same time, man, encourage me as well. Let me know, hey, man, you're doing a great job, man. Because regardless of how old we get, we always want somebody to say, hey, man, good job. That sweet, sweet validation. Yes, we do. We always want that. Don't search for it in yourself, but take it. Take those kudos when they come. When they come. How does your finances play these days, the financial state of you? How did you earn a living? We obviously don't. We earned a living in different areas in our life compared to the past to the now. So what did that look like in the past? In the past, mine, earning a living was taking from somebody else, hurting somebody else. Earning a living in the criminal justice system was working because I had to work to get what I wanted and what I needed or run a store, loan shop, or whatever. After that release back into the community, man, I'm earning a living faithfully, religiously. A little back story about myself. My thing was credit card fraud. I usually work in grocery stores or Whole Foods or whatever the situation may be. Somebody lost their wallet maybe two days ago, loaded down with all the goods. But today I do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. I turned the wallet in, turned everything that was in it. I looked in the wallet already. We still have those nostalgic moments. I know me and my cousin were rolling through on the south side somewhere and we seen a truck just idling in the middle of the road with nobody in it. We both looked and thought, no, no, let's just keep going. But the thought is always there. We still have these thoughts. These criminal thinking still comes into play for some of us, our actions, how we respond. I have to say, remember this here too. A thought only lasts eight seconds. This is how you respond to that thought, man. I can't control what nobody else do. I can only control how I respond to what they do. Nowadays I'm responding a lot better. I'm learning to slow down instead of being so impulsive about the shit that I do. My finances today, hey, I'm okay. I got a couple of credit cards, a couple of bank accounts. I do it well for myself. Were you financially responsible for people before entering the system? Yes. I mean, it's a yes or no question because we can sit there. Was I financially responsible? Yeah, I had a son. But I didn't get too fucked about getting them shit. Hey, man, I cared about my habit. You sit there and say, oh, man, they call the baby need pampers, the baby need milks, the baby need this. Most of the time people ain't coming off them. If you're in your addiction, you ain't got time to be getting $35 up for no can of milk and no $50 up for a box of pampers. You're going to try to find somebody to steal it for you or you're going to steal it your goddamn self. That's facts. And you're back in the criminal system. So, therefore, me being financially responsible for anybody was non-existent. I was being financially responsible for myself, my addiction. So you didn't value your finances, we would say. Hell no. I ain't value nobody else's finances, let alone my own. But, you know, entering in the criminal justice system, obviously that changed. Oh, no question. No question. Once I entered into the criminal justice system, I knew if someone sent me $200 or if someone sent me anything, that was a blessing. Blessing. That was truly a blessing. I didn't have no shoebox full of money before my state vacation, so I became another bill. They had to take money from whatever areas in their life to make sure I had what I wanted. But I learned to become financially responsible. So you had a prior trial as your needs and wants. There ain't no question. Did you struggle with that? Oh, no question. You figure it's all right. I need this. You don't need no cookies and Kool-Aid. I need soap, deodorant, toothpaste. That's what I need. Oh, I got enough soap. Oh, they going to give me soap. Oh, no. That soap ain't no. Of course. Don't get the soap. I'm afforded to. So I had to learn. I had to learn what was important. I had to learn what was priority. Just as today, as I'm back into the community, I had to learn what was a priority, what was a need and a want. Oh, I need these new jewelry that cost $260. My phone bill can wait. Oh, no. I need my phone. I definitely need that phone. I'm not going to have money for shoes. Right. I need this phone. So I had to understand those things. Awesome. Awesome. All right. So we're about to wrap up here. This is the segment I like to call the raw thoughts. Right? This is your view, your intellect, your philosophy. What we're going to look for in this segment, in this session, is this is what you feel the criminal justice system needs for change. For me, like I always tell people, man, I say it a lot, man. I went through the criminal justice system. I started young, 14. I didn't stop until I was 59 years old, off and on. I spent a lot of years in and out. It was a lot of bad times, a lot of good times, man. And people sit there and say, how are you going to have good times in prison or in jail? You're away from your family, away from your loved ones. Sometimes that's best for you to understand what was going on in your life. I think on YouTube maybe a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks, whatever it was, somebody asked Mike Tyson something. Mike Tyson said, man, the best years of my life was when I spent three years in prison. I had peace. Fuck the money. Fuck anything. Once you start realizing and being grateful for what you have, you start understanding that, hey, man, I got a lot to give. I got a lot to offer, man. I got a lot. Shit is not going to be easy. My belief is, hell, if I could tear all the motherfucking jails down, I would. But I can't. I can't reward bad behavior. That's not what I'm going to do neither. If you want a change, put the work into the change. But if you're in the criminal justice system and you've got to go through that shit, sit back and think about how you're going to stay out of that shit when it comes time to stay out of that shit. They always say people, places, and things. That shit is really true. That shit is really true. I mean, oh, this is true. I've been tempted by this. Hell, we're going to be tempted. I'm tempted every day. I'm still tempted to do fucked up shit. But the reality of it is I'm not going to do no fucked up shit. I enjoy my life a lot better now than before I went to the criminal justice system because I was trapped. I was in prison in my own mind, and I was free. I was on the streets. So when I got incarcerated, that allowed me to break down some of them motherfucking barriers, break down some of them walls, break down some of them stigmas, break down some of that stereotype. That allowed me to grow as an individual to become a better person. My views is, man, it takes a village to raise one child. And if we want to change not just for ourselves but for our community, we've got to do it as a whole. We have to do it from the ground up. We have to do it from the local level. We just cannot allow people to continue to do shit and we turn, oh, man, that's not my business. It is your business. If it ain't your business this day, it's going to be your kid's business 10 years from now. So if we want to change, we have to do it together. And once again, I just want to thank Jamal Twin Cities for allowing me this opportunity to speak, man, and y'all be hearing a lot more from me. Thank you again. Yes, and we will have you back on sometime next month for the second installment of this. We're going to talk about some more things. Looking forward. Looking forward to it. See where you're at next month and what you're working on. So thank you for coming. We're out.