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Hello, I'm Jacque and you're tuning in to Rethink. This is a special radio airing where high school students select topic of interest and apply a racial equity lens so that together we rethink what we've been told about these topics in order to envision liberation. Again, I'm Jacque and this is... Edith. And Herman. I'm Edith. So, before we begin, I do want to set the foundation of what we'll be talking about today. We will be talking about the war and genocide in Palestine, the origins of, I don't even want to call it a conflict, but the origins of this current war and the longstanding conflict. But before we do, I would like us to take some time to reflect on something that has value to us. And then you'll see how this is connected to the bigger picture here. So, my question to you, Edith and Herman, and anyone listening, is what is something that belongs to you that you love? I'm a computer, just because it allows me to do a lot of things that need to be done. That's the answer to the question. Okay. So, the second part of that question... Oh, Aiden, would you like to add on? Oh, for... Yeah, for physical, I'd probably say my bike, just because, like, it helps me stay active. It helps me go places. And I use it almost every day, so... Okay. That makes sense. Okay. Thank you both for sharing. So, the second part of that question is, now, let's imagine, right? So, Herman, you have your computer. And then, Aiden, you have your bike. Imagine that a stranger, right, someone just walking on the street, comes to you and says, Oh, I'm taking that. I'm going to go give it to my friend. How would you react? Like, what would be your immediate reaction? Shocked, probably. Yeah, I'd probably be shocked. I'd be like, I wonder where did they come from? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 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I also emphasize what I've said throughout this conflict. The United States fully supports Israel's right to defend itself. Against indiscriminate rocket attacks on Hamas and other Gaza-based terrorist groups that have taken the lives of innocent civilians in Israel. Okay. So that video highlights the law of civil history. This was so many years ago, right? This was before Biden is president now. That his views have been consistent, right? He has put his money where his mouth is. I should say our money, because we're funding this war. We, as him, do not pay taxes, right? So I have to share that, because I would like to know, what in that video is anything? Like, what is a sentence, a line, a word that really stuck out to you? He said that he's not a Jew, but he's still a Zionist. That just kind of really stuck out to me, because I was like, and I didn't know that his history of him supporting Israel had gone back that far, even before he's president, like, a long time back. I didn't know it went back that far. I'd say that we can't, well, I guess I'll reference what he said, but he was like, if there was no Israel, then, you know, where would we be? And he's talking about the significance of Israel, and I think we can't completely disqualify that, because it probably, there was certain times when we needed Israel, because they're across the sea, and, you know, it would help to get communication out and sanctions and the stationaries and whatnot. But even so, there has to be, like, a line between, you know, right and wrong, like justice and immoral, moral versus immoral, and we have to, like, see that and recognize that while we can't completely stop funding, right? Because maybe that would, you know, prevent future trade or something that could have an impact on the economy, but we shouldn't be funding it to the extent that we're funding it at, like, $105 billion. Like, how much of a difference will it matter if we fund them, like, $1 million, $2 million, as opposed to, or even $30, or, but, like, $105, like, really? And I think that, yeah, I'd say that. That's why I agree and disagree. Yeah. So, I think my question to you, and this is, it's, like, interesting. That kind of comes up again, but in a different way, similar to what Aiden had shared earlier when I asked him, like, okay, well, why can't we? So, I guess my question to you is, like, when you heard that, right, and something came to your mind, it had to, something came to your mind when you heard him say, well, what will we do with Israel? So, you mentioned economics, right, and sanctions and needing trade and whatever else. So, my question to you is, do you think about why, what is there, right, what is there in Palestine that the U.S. benefits from so much that they are willing to participate in genocide to remove people and pull out Israel? I'm not sure. So, what I was thinking when I heard that was of the sheer, not dominance, but how big Israel is as a whole. And so, while, I mean, I know, like, the specific benefits that we may have, I would say that there's a point for us to be supporting them, whether that is because they're big and they allow us for more, not even just trade with Israel, but more access to people out there, or if it's, hey, they're bigger, so they have a military, so they can help us next time we need, or anything of the sort. So, I'm not sure what it is, per se. But I would like to believe there is something. You say you want to do what? I said I would like to believe that there would be something. Okay. So, my challenge to you, right, as we think about really what it means, what liberation means, and what that looks like, and what world we'd like to live in, to really figure out what is there. Like, what is there that's so important that we have to give any money? I mean, you say we can reduce the money, but that we have to give any money to someone that is, again, willing to wipe out several bloodlines to claim that space. Like, what, how can we justify any amount of money, any amount of support to say, oh, we need that there, and we need this to occur in order for our interests to stay there? And then the question is, right, and this is where we should kind of connect it to what happened in history, of like, what side of history will you be on, will Pride be on, how family members be on? You know, years ago, well, centuries ago, when the quote-unquote founding of America, right, it's very similar. It's this idea of who, colonists coming to a place where people already existed, right, indigenous Native American people of different nations, coming here and saying, you know what, you just didn't handle this land well. We want, this is the place we discovered, and we're going to stay here. At the expense of what? Lives lost. Because we had interests. And the same thing, it sounds like that same kind of line of thinking is now being applied to what's happening in Palestine and Israel, and specifically, like, the U.S. stake in it. So, I think the question now, right, that maybe you can't personally identify, but I can think about a historical instance of something that you can relate to, of like, whether that be, you know, slavery, or whether it be people moving in, gentrification, people moving into your community and changing the resources that you have. Like, how would you want other people to respond to that? And at what point, maybe this is a rhetorical question, but at what point can we say, we have to stop putting money over people? That's a good point, actually. Yeah, that's actually a very good point. Because I do believe that money shouldn't come over people. Well, you know, of course, the inherent things like, hey, you need money to make people, you need people to make money, and stuff of that sort. But if we're looking at it from like a moral and ethical standpoint, right, capitalism is inherently bad, right? But yeah, we don't care. But when it, because I mean, it is killing people, but it's not like, directly killing people, maybe indirectly, right? So it's not, well, I mean, I'm not gonna say it's not a big deal. But anyway. It's killing people now. No, no, no, wait, sorry, not to cut you off, but that's important. Because you're saying capitalism is not directly killing people, but it is. Our state, I don't know if it's ours, it's not mine, Biden and the rest of the United States' interest in, quote, unquote, Israel, in Palestine, is directly connected to capitalism. So in order to maintain that capitalist interest, right, whether it be oil, whether it be resources, whether it be supporting, you know, white supremacy, whatever it be, it's at the expense of people. So capitalism is killing people. I mean, it's really more colonialism, right? But they're connected. So that's what's killing people. All right. Okay. No, I didn't say that. That's a really good point also. But yeah, I was going to talk about the moral and ethical standpoint of, you know, we can't put a price on life because we're not the creators of life. We don't have anything to do with the creation of life. So how can we decide someone else's value on life and make that more or less important than money? But yeah, and we're talking about capitalism still on that side. Well, I think, yeah, like you said, it's more colonialism, but since we're supporting it, then it's capitalism, right? Because the U.S. part in it is capitalism, whereas the inherent movement of Israel into Palestine is colonialism. But yeah, like you said, if we're connecting it back to something that happened in the United States or connecting it back to us, gentrification, like you said, that's always, you know, here being more and more prevalent in society, or at least in Atlanta nowadays, just because we had the white flight, I want to say, where everybody moved out of the city because African Americans were coming in. And now we're seeing more coming back into cities. It's not being affected right now, but they're building more stuff to bring, attract, you know. I said that's my connection, first of all. I would connect it, as you were talking about earlier, to indigenous people, so how they were killed for their resources. I would connect that to how Palestinians were killed for their resources. And their resources, in this case, would be lands, because I do believe they went for the conquest of lands because they've been... Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, thank you for that. Drawing those parallels, right? I feel like it helps us see that everything we're seeing now, right, at some point will be so, so old, and it'll be played out in textbooks. It'll be, you know, the narrative will change. And you have to ask yourself, what side of history are you going to stand on, right? Sometimes it's so easy to be sitting in it that you can't see the fog and you can't see the past, which is like, when you do, it's like, oh my goodness, oh, this is connected. Oh, this has happened again. But now it's worse, because we should be smarter. We have more resources, right, at social media, where things can get out and hopefully change your perspective and allow people to say, you know what, I'm not going to support this because I've seen this by another name, right? We'll see what happens to indigenous people. So I want to close out. Is there anything that you'd like the listeners to take away from this conversation? Just think of one thing. You say, you know, I hope that by tuning in today to Rethink, you were able to... I hope by tuning in to Rethink, you were able to get a better understanding of what is going on in the conflict in Palestine and that you are motivated to call your congressman and request for a ceasefire.