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In response to Letterboxd comments recommending The Handmaiden (2016) as an alternative to the emotional rollercoaster that was last week's movie, we decided to watch and discuss it in comparison to Ride or Die (2021). The male gaze plays a big role in both of these movies as they both have male directors, so this will be a big point of comparison. We will also be examining similarities and differences that occur in the cinematography, plot, dialogue, and other elements.
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In response to Letterboxd comments recommending The Handmaiden (2016) as an alternative to the emotional rollercoaster that was last week's movie, we decided to watch and discuss it in comparison to Ride or Die (2021). The male gaze plays a big role in both of these movies as they both have male directors, so this will be a big point of comparison. We will also be examining similarities and differences that occur in the cinematography, plot, dialogue, and other elements.
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researchers to discover and pioneer groundbreaking treatments that help patients around the world. You can be a beacon of hope and health in the fight against cancer and other rare diseases by donating white blood cells of Beacon Biologics. For more information visit beaconbiologics.org Do you hear that? Hello! Hi everyone, I'm MC Stinkbox. I'm DJ Sputnik. And I'm DJ Freckles. We're the Musket Queers. Welcome to Boobie Muffs. Yes, the last two songs you heard were My Tomoko, My Suki from the Handmaiden soundtrack and She's Beautiful, Quite the Charmer, also from the soundtrack. Yes, I think that kind of sets the... Yeah. Yeah, so if it wasn't clear, we are watching The Handmaiden. We watched The Handmaiden. We're talking about it now. Yes, yeah, I'm excited. We're watching this because last week we watched Ride or Die and a lot of the comments were saying if you want a good, I suppose like East Asian lesbian film, watch this instead of Ride or Die. Yeah. So here we are. We're watching it in response to it. I think we got a lot to say. It was good. Also, just want to... Did you guys watch like the extended cut or the regular version? I watched the extended cut. I also watched the extended cut. I don't know which one I watched. How do you... Well, the regular one is two hours and 24 minutes and the extended cut's like two hours and 48 minutes. I don't recall, folks. What more happens? We'll find out when we talk about it. And I'm like, her? Only version I've seen, so I don't know. Okay, okay. We will see. We will see. Right. You want to kick us off with a little synopsis? Sure, let's see. It's got the plot all broken. I don't want to read the whole thing. Okay, I guess from what I remember, you have... Her name's Hideko, right? Mm-hmm. And her uncle, I guess... Well, she's gonna be married off. I don't know if that's just because of her uncle, just because of like how it is, but she's gonna get married off. So this takes place in Korea. Oh, yeah. And it's during the like Japanese occupation of Korea. 1930s. Colonial. Yeah, pre-World War II. So there's this very fancy man who built like a Japanese-style mansion and Western-style mansion in Korea, and his niece, the lady, Hideko, lives there with him. Yes. Okay, let's continue. Yeah, yeah. What is her uncle's name? Is it in here? I just call him the uncle. I just call him the uncle. It looks like Kuzuki? Kuzuki. Oh, a Korean man who helped the Japanese take over his country in exchange for a gold mine, and then uses his wealth to feed his obsession with rare books. Yep. Okay, yeah. Sounds about right. And then you have... Oh my god, what is his name? Because you have Tamako, but that's not actually her name. Suki. Suki? Mm-hmm. And then who's the guy? The Count? I don't know his real name. I just call him the Count. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you have a fake Count, and their idea is that you're gonna have Tamako, or Suki, really, pretend to be her handmaiden. Or not pretend, she's going to be the handmaiden. Sort of gain her trust, and then the Count is going to woo Hideko, and then once they get married, he's gonna declare her, what, mentally insane, send her to an asylum, seize her money, and they're gonna split it both ways. Yep, yep. And that's the plan. Yeah. What he doesn't account for is that girls can fall in love, which is what happens. Yeah. Yeah, guys. Is that a good synopsis? Yes. Okay, cool. That's from my very limited memory. There's three separate parts, at least in the extended cut, and it's really cool how, like, the different perspectives shift, that, like, the whole time this was happening throughout the movie. Yeah. That's a part of it that I really love. Yeah, we can get into it. Go for it. Okay, so we begin. Okay, so we begin. The very opening shot is, you know, of course, setting the time. So it's these Japanese soldiers kind of shooing off these Korean children. So, you know, obviously it's colonial Korea, Japanese occupied, and of course these children are being made to figure the soldiers. And then, of course, we see Suki is, like, it's raining, it's a very dreary day, and she's leaving what, you know, we see is her family, and this one other girl's like, it should have been me going to that Japanese man's house. But, yeah, he's not actually Japanese. No, he just made himself. Oh, I guess we should also probably, just for some background on this movie, there's a novel, The Fingersmith, by Sarah Waters, which is what this is based off of. Yeah. Yes. I haven't seen it. I think we decided to watch that next week. So we're kind of working in reverse here. Wait, did they make the novel into another movie? Yeah, so there's The Fingersmith, made in 2005, and then there's the novel, which that is based off of, and then there's this movie, which I suppose is loosely based off of it. I think The Fingersmith is also set in an important time period. I don't know which one. And then, what is the director's name? Oh, Park Chan-wook, the director. I guess he takes it and then moves it back in time, and then in Korea. So, there you have it. Cool. Wait, who's this? Are you finding it? Oh, Victorian era is where The Fingersmith is. Oh, yeah, okay, that's cool. You stole my thunder again. Sorry. We find out, we don't really know Sookie's family situation, so there's like, I thought it was like an orphanage, because there's a bunch of crying babies and women who are taking care of them, and she gets handed a suitcase, she goes off into the rain, and gets driven a long, long way to, like, the gates of a house, and then she starts to get out, and they're like, no, wait, like, there's more. And my first note on my notes for this is, damn, this man's house is big. He lives on a giant property that's, like, made in Japanese style with a cherry blossom tree in the backyard, and a whole bunch of servants, and, like, a Western thing with a huge library and a bunch of fancy paintings. And, yeah, I also noted that I love the cinematography, like, the way that it's shot is more cinematic. I think, obviously, this had a bigger budget than Ride or Die, but I like the opening cinematography in Ride or Die, because it's, like, following the lady into the bar, but this felt like, I don't want to say Wes Anderson, but some of the, it had, like, symmetrical moments where, like, they were opening doors at the same time, and the character would be, like, framed in the middle of the shot, and it was really cool. Yeah. All symmetries of Wes Anderson. No. No, yeah. But it does feel that way sometimes. I have not seen a single Wes Anderson film, Do Not Crucify Me. Not even Fantastic Mr. Fox? Nope. That's valid. That's so sad. You know what, he's a little overrated. It's okay. Yes, but that doesn't mean they're not fun to watch. Yeah, because they're, like, kind of fantastic, and it feels like you're reading a storybook. I want to, because it's in the Cartierian Collection, I want to get a copy of it and watch it that way. Yeah. Is that too film bro-y? No, I'll do it. It's the best way. Okay, so Suki is led into the house by the old lady who works there, Sasuki, I think is her name, and she's, like, leads her, like, telling her all the rules, and, like, being kind of stern with her, and then leads her to a closet, and it's like, okay, you sleep here. She's like, what? Okay. And then the lady, Hirako, wakes up screaming and talking about how her aunt was, like, hung herself in the cherry tree, and she's like, I'm having nightmares, and so that's kind of her introduction to her as a person. Like, Suki goes over to comfort her, and she's kind of, like, airy. She presents herself as, like, this airy-headed kind of dazed, like, I'm just a lady, and I don't know anything. Yes, yes, she does. I do remember that. And she's, like, basically, like, kind of chills out, and at the point where they're, like, agreeing on, like, oh, you're my new handmaiden. You can, like, steal a curse, but don't lie to me is the one thing that she says. Yep. And yeah. I have here in my notes that the lady is basically, like, a doll, because she has all these, like, fancy things and all these clothes. Bro, she has drawers, just drawers of gloves, and not even, there's, and the way the space is utilized is, like, only a few pairs for each drawer. Yeah, yeah. I think they're that delicate, I guess. Yeah, right. So, in this movie, gloves are, like, like, she has a lot of them, but they're, yeah, right. So, in The Fingersmith, I think gloves are, like, really important, and that was one of the big critiques that I saw about this movie is that if you're going to base it off The Fingersmith, the gloves have to mean more. Yeah. I don't know for certain, but I think in The Fingersmith, she takes them off, and then they, like, touch hands or something, and that's when it's, like, super important, like, important for both girls, and it kind of loses its meaning in this movie. Like the mask scene during Portrait of a Lady on Fire. Exactly, yeah, something like that. When we watch it next week, or if it's a miniseries, perhaps, we'll see. Yeah. But I think that was one of the big critiques. Yeah. They do wear gloves when they do reading sessions with his uncle. So, her uncle is, like, a big book collector and all these rare books, and she has to go to reading lessons, and she hates them, and so every time they're, like, in reading, she's like, please, like, I need to get out of here as soon as possible. But they always wear gloves so they don't touch the books with their bare hands. That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, like, kind of, like, latex-y looking, like, black gloves that, like, chefs would wear or something. It's not, like, sterile. Yeah, yeah, like a surgery-type glove. And there's also, there's a big, like, statue of a snake in the reading room. The snake of knowledge. The snake of knowledge. And, like, snake for the bounds of knowledge. Yeah, and Suki, who they renamed Tamako because her Japanese, she's like, you have to be Japanese, and you can only speak Japanese here. They renamed her Tamako, and she tries to enter the reading room, and then they, like, Suki, like, pulls a lever, and, like, this big grate shuts on her, and she's, like, to not let her in. I gotta say, though, the library, oh, man, yeah. I still consider myself a bookworm, even though I haven't, like, read an actual book in months because, you know, I'm reading so much for class. But, man, just the design of the library, the layout, the amount of books, just beautiful. Yes. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. Wonderful. And, yeah, her uncle is this eccentric guy who is doing, like, calligraphy while he's reading, and he licks his pen. Oh, he licks the pen so his tongue isn't hung a lot. I forgot about that. And he has, like, these crazy eyebrows that, like, stick up everywhere. Yeah, and generally is, like, a very intense and striking person. But we don't know a lot about him at the beginning of the film. Yeah. And then the first, like, little homoerotic lesbian moment, I would say, is when... In the bath? Yeah, in the bath. Oh, my God, with the little... With the tooth thing? Yeah. Yeah. Oh! That was, yeah, that was intense. Because the Lady Hireko is presenting herself as, like, this airy-headed kind of clueless girl who's grown up in this house all alone, Suki takes care of her like she would a child. And so she's kind of, like, bathing her and gives her a lollipop. And she's like, oh, yeah, my aunt would, like, give kids candy while they were bathing. And then she's like, ow, my tooth hurts. Like, it's too sharp. And so she takes a thimble and sticks her finger in her mouth and starts, like, grinding it down, grinding it down, while making eye contact. And it's, like, homoerotic tooth fixing. And she's like, aww. It was, yeah, intense. Intense. And she glances a look at her body in the bath. And then she's like, oh, no, I can't. I mustn't. I mustn't. Yes. Yeah. I think after that bathtub point, my notes pick up. It's like, that's when we kind of, the flashbacks begin. We get to see the scam of the Count enlisting Tsuki to be the handmaiden and how they're trying to trick her out of the inheritance as M.C. Stingfox so wonderfully said earlier when he gave us Natsu to the film. My kiss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Her real name is Namsuki, and she's a top purveyor of stolen goods, because she's first introduced as Okju, who's just, like, a random girl who wants to be a handmaiden. But it turns out she's working for this, like, thieves' guild. She's the daughter of, like, a master thief. And she and this Count guy are teaming up in order to get a big steal off of this dumb Countess lady. Yes. Pickpocket. Yes. And he is only thinking about money. And the one line I think about is, every night I lie in bed and think about her assets. But it's literally, like, about her money. Like, he's not attracted to her. And then she just wants jewelry. And so a lot of the times, like, she makes an agreement to, like, be her handmaiden, but she's like, I want my own jewelry, and I want all these dresses, like, once she goes into the madhouse. And so there's a bunch of scenes where she's trying on all her jewelry. And there's an obligatory corset scene where they're trying on each other's clothes. And Lady Hideko is, like, tightening the corset. Like, she puts her foot on Suki's back. And then yanks the strings. Yanks the strings. And I'm like, oh my god. Yeah, would Suki yank it? Because she's like, how do you even function in this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought it was fun because they, like, play dress up. And literally, Hideko says, ladies are the dolls of maids. Like, because Suki is the one who dresses her and undresses her. And there's, like, all of these buttons are just for you. And it's, like, a little silly. Yes. But yeah. Yes. Yeah. Isn't there just a lot of, like, every time she's taking her corset off, it's, like, very slow. And, like, they show her back a lot. Yeah. The tension while, like, they undress each other. Like, ooh. And then isn't there that one scene where, um, what is her name? Hideko, like, gives her, not gives her, but, like, makes her put the earrings on. Yeah. Oh, do we know why she, I don't know. It's been a minute, guys. That will be revealed later. Oh, okay. Yes. Whoa. Huh. Key scene there. Yes. Okay. Sorry, guys. My memory's not serving me as well as I thought it would. And then we kind of jumped to the art lesson. Yeah. Yeah. So, I believe, if I remember correctly, I watched this kind of late at night. And I've, weekend was a lot. But I think I remember everything well. Um, like, the count, I'm, and also, like, I'm, of course, my notes are just as the, what I knew, the information that they had at the time. Yeah, of course. So, at that point, I was like, wow, man, the count's really laying it on thick. Yeah. Trying to get Lady Hedicko to marry her. And poor, poor Suki, she got, like, didn't she break her pencil? Yeah. Because she was, like, so angry that he was getting, like, harassing her. Yeah. And it's, like, obviously, it's unwanted. And then he's, like, I put, she stands up for her girl. And he's, like, oh, she doesn't want that, like, stop touching her. Um. Oh, yeah. And then, like, get on to her, like, send her out of the room, don't they? What do you think you're doing? Yeah, but she refuses to leave. Yeah. And. Yeah. But I think Suki is, like, starting to, like, not be okay with the plot. Because he's just being so gross to her a lot of the times. He was literally just groping the heck out of her. Yeah. No respect for personal space, obviously, didn't, wasn't listening to her, you know. But in order to, like, because she wants the jewelry and the money, because her aunt was also, like, obsessed with material things, she keeps gaslighting the lady into being, like, the lady's, like, oh, I don't, I don't think I like him. She's, like, no, you, you, you like him. You love him. You're going to love him. Like, I see. It's going to be a great marriage. Yeah, it's going to be a great marriage. Like, I see you staring longingly out the window, and, like, your toenails are growing longer ever since you met the count. Oh, I know, that was the weirdest thing. It's, like, of all things you could say is, like, improving, like, toenails growing longer? It's because that's what the count told Suki to say to her. But it's, like, it's still just, huh? It's just so weird. Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? I guess that reminds me of, like, you remember how some, I don't know if this is happening at all, but, like, guys would be mean, and then you'd go and, like, tell a parent, and they'd be like, it's because they like you. It's like, bro. Don't give me that. Is it though? Don't, yeah. Yeah. Sort of the same thing. Yeah. But yeah. And so, yeah, as we know so far, this, this lady, Hireko, has been, has grown up all alone in this house, and she hasn't had any, like, formal education, just, like, reading or whatever, and so she doesn't know what sex is, and it's, like, what would the count do, like, after he kissed me? Because, like, he keeps trying to make these attempts on her, and she's, like, doesn't want it. And so one night, after they have a little fight, like, Lady Hireko invites Suki into her bed, and is, like, lay with me. I think I'm gonna have a nightmare. And then she's, like, keeps, she asks her, basically, like, what is sex? Because I don't know. And then, and then Suki describes it to her, and is, like, she's, like, ah, I guess I gotta do a practical lesson. I might as well teach her one thing. I guess she's more of a hands-on learner. Yeah. I'm a visual learner. And so she starts, she just starts kissing her under the guise of teaching her how to kiss, I guess. And then things are, like, things devolve into, like, oh, what will the count do next? And he's, like, oh, he'll, he'll do this next. And then they just keep going and going and going. And it's, like... Shall I continue, miss? Yeah. Yeah. If you've ever been on Twitter, on, like, not even, like, the Not Safe for Work, just, like, any, like, lesbian, like, yeah, that gif comes up. One gif of shall I continue, miss. I've seen fan art of it. It's everywhere. But yeah, it's, like, I want, she says during that, like, when they're kissing is, like, so this is how it feels. And I feel like that's kind of the experience of, like, earlier, I mean, a little later, when we get to hear more of Hideko's perspective, she's like, is this a companionship that, like, people are able to feel? And I feel like that's an experience for a lot of queer women when they, like, have experiences, romantic or sexual with women for the first time. They're like, oh, this is how it's supposed to feel. Yeah. And I know that resonated with me. Mm hmm. Me too. Yeah, me too. And so, like, yeah, Suki has to keep gaslighting her, basically, because the means to and I just to, like, get this up. But she's like, what if I don't love the count? What if I love someone else? And then she's like, you will love him. And then she gets angry and slaps her and pushes her out of the room. And then the whole thing happens where the count and Lady Hideko are going outside for art lessons. And then he's like, oh, like, you need to bring the oils or something that Suki forgot. And then as she comes back up, because they're painting outside. Yeah. They're just the count and Lady Hideko are just smooching. Yep. And she's like, not having it. She's very distressed. Yeah. And she runs away. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. Oh, my God. Yeah. She's angry because she loves her. They're both angry. And then eventually, like, she agrees to the proposal only if Suki comes with to Japan to Japan. So yeah, there are the lady's uncle is going away for a week. And so the count and Hideko will elope and Suki will come with them. And so there's like this fast paced, like, montage of them like running through the through the forest with their suitcases and then like they get in a boat and he's like rowing and then they get in a train and they're going and then she's like eating a single grain of rice at a time. And there's like steps of them going to the house. And I don't know it was all it's all very like calculated and methodical and I like the way that it's filmed a lot. Oh, a big yawn from Sputnik over here. I drove over 370 miles in one day yesterday. So a total of five hours I was in the car. You can bet I'm still tired even though I went right to bed at like 1030. Yep. Yeah. So they make it to Japan. And they're the count pays people to have to marry them. Basically, they get married. And there's this one part where Hideko hold out her hand like right after they get married, like presumably for him to take her hand and he puts a pen in it to like sign the wedding contract. Well, also, if you notice, of course, during the actual wedding ceremony. Wait. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I lost my place in my notes. Lady Hideko just kept on like looking back at Suki the entire time. I was just like, Oh my gosh, come on. And like in between, like, when they're when Hideko is helping her get dressed. And or Suki is helping you to go get dressed. At one point, she like starts kissing her. And then like, tried to do more stuff. And then she like pushes her away. And she's like, No, no, no. And I'm gonna put she wants her back. But they can't. Yes. And then it's the wedding night. We hear wedding night sounds. And then the next day, like, things like is supposed to is when Hideko is supposed to be dropped off at the madhouse. And yeah, I don't know. But like, the count keeps delaying stuff and things are happening. And like, it's Suki's narrating. She's like, she might actually go mad because like, weird shit is happening. Oh, weird stuff. Weird stuff. Weird stuff is happening. Yeah. And then so like, everyone is always watching everyone's actions at this little like in where they're renting. And then they go to the madhouse. Yes. And we do have some ads, folks. But stay tuned, because this is, I think, pretty much just the end of part one. Yeah. We've got two and three. So we back. Do you have an essay that needs restructuring? 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