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Rik van der Vaart - Future Ocean Conversations

Rik van der Vaart - Future Ocean Conversations

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We talked with Rik van der Vaart, one of the organizers of Aruba International Regatta, at the Aruba Nautical Club where he has his sailboat. Rik has a lot of experiences with sailing, building boats, and helping others to learn about and enjoy these activities, which has given him a deep appreciation and respect for the ocean.

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But the object, sailboat, is a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. A sailboat doesn't have a she. You don't have to work at all. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to work at all. You don't have to do anything. But on a sailboat, you automatically need to know the wind. But on a sailboat, you automatically need to know the wind. You need to feel the ocean currents. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. You need to know where we're going. Now, the world is not that aware of the actual waste that we produce as humans. We're thinking about plastic straws and we have to reduce plastic bags, which is great. It's nice. It's definitely, you know. But I'm still driving the car all over the place where I could walk or just take a bike. We drive because it's too hot. And we turn on the air conditioning because it's too hot. And the food that we bring into Aruba all flies, flies in, containers in. The tourists that we need to sustain us have flown in and they have to increase in numbers because we don't have enough. We don't produce enough because we're still going into debt day by day. No matter how much we produce, we still produce debt. So it's basically like we're just like, I think we're only taking, taking. We're consuming. Everything comes in. Everything comes in. And that produces. But where does it go? Well, at the end of it, it produces waste. Everything produces waste. So we need to be more conscious. We need to be more prudent with what we receive. Everything on this island has to be flown in or shipped in. Everything. All of that causes, produces carbon. Which goes where? Yeah. So you can't produce, you can't produce zero carbon on Aruba. Because you have, I mean everything has to be flown in or shipped in. Even our electricity comes from fuel that is shipped in. Fuel that we produce, that we have here in the West is shipped in. Our dollars that we make from our food goes to pay for that oil. That's a huge outflow of dollars. So if we talk about waste, the word waste needs to be defined. It's not just physical waste. It's not just carbon. It's not just air, polluted air or polluted oceans. That's not just waste. That's the only part that we can see. I call waste everything that's non-value. So the moment we get, we pay for something and we get no value in return. We've produced waste. So if we pay a company, you know, to build a house and we pay 100,000 builders. And they produce half a house and we've just wasted half of our money. Now we have to spend another 100,000 to get the other half done. So now I have to spend 200,000 to get one house valued at 100,000. So I've wasted 100,000 builders. So that's waste. That is because I have to work now twice as much. I have to make so much more. So if we work to remove or lessen the waste produced by this type, then I don't need so many builders to come to the island. Over consumption, over production is the root cause. I have to produce more to cover for the waste in the system. I have to produce 200,000 builders to buy something worth 100,000 builders. That's the 50% waste factor. That's a lot. But that is normal. That seems to be the norm. So if I could have done enough with 100,000 and could buy something worth 100,000 and save with 100,000, zero waste, now I don't need to have twice as many builders to come in. I can do without. Because I don't waste the money that I make with them. Okay, so that's the answer. I don't waste the money. If I pay 200,000 builders for something worth 100,000, I waste half of the 200,000 builders. I've wasted it. It's gone. And that means that I need that job? I need to do twice my work. With the economy of tourism? Yeah, right. So that's how Aruba has to import more and more tourists to cover for a lot of waste. What if we work on reducing the waste first? Before you produce more, try to waste less. And then with what you produce, you can do more. It's smart, but it takes work. The system is Aruba, and Aruba as an island, as an economy, as a system, has a maritime environment around it, and it should be taken together. So we are living together with the coastal areas around us, not just Tehran. You have to look at Aruba from... It's not just Aruba, it's the whole. It's with the water around it. So if you look at this whole system, then I look at the coastal areas, I look at the waters around it, the use here of the water sports here, and it's mostly around there, but this economy, this island, manages it, produces it, causes it. These are the... It's a community... Right now I don't see it, I promise, but it's bigger. It's a whole system, right? You have local line tourists, you have water sports, you have fishing, you have waste, directly caused by sports, fishing, local line, living on the island. But on the same time, the development of the island is affecting the waste of the ocean. If you look at the beach, it's very dirty. So... You say, oh, really? If you look at the beach, you see the water here, it's waste, it's bio-ocean, it's bio-ocean, so it's affecting tourism, it's affecting the local, it's affecting the sense of life, wait, something is wrong. So there are connections with our products, with our living environment, etc. So it's a double-edged sword. In the end, the waste that is visible, that you see, that you smell, that you touch, it's a double-edged sword. If you look at it, if you see it, on the beach, instead of a car, if you look at it, no matter which way you go up, it's a double-edged sword. It's a double-edged sword. How much waste it's a double-edged sword. 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