Among The Shadows Episode 1: Personal Experiences with the Paranormal

In the first episode of the Among the Shadows podcast, Azriel and Dee Simone discuss personal experiences with the paranormal. Dee recalls his first experience in 1991, where he witnessed strange occurrences at his cousin's house in Chicago. His cousin would often be pulled off the bed or have his blankets removed, but Dee initially thought it was just a prank. However, one morning while watching TV, Dee saw his cousin's baby brother standing in the hallway, even though he couldn't have gotten out of his crib. There were also other strange incidents in the house, such as noises and movements. Dee's cousin also experienced paranormal activity in the basement, including seeing a shadow and playing a game of throwing Uno cards with an unseen presence. The adults in the family didn't mention any experiences, but Dee's father believed the Catholic religious items in the house attracted evil spirits. These experiences left Dee scared to go to his cousin's house and made him more aware of the ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ All right, and welcome to episode one of Among the Shadows podcast, the podcast that immerses you, the listener, into the mysterious world of the paranormal. I'm your host, Azriel, and with me is Dee Simone. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us on this nice, cold January afternoon. And definitely cold this morning. All right, so I thought for the first episode, it would be good to start from the beginning as far as personal experiences. So yourself, do you remember your first paranormal experience? Definitely, definitely. And, yeah, that was 1991 in Chicago. I was six years old, staying with my cousin on the weekends. He stayed in Chicago, lives off the street, Walcott. I think it was McKinley Park area or Ridgeport area. And, you know, used to go on the weekends over there, have a good time with family. And the year of 1990, you know, once we came over, said hi to everybody, gave everybody hugs, me and my cousin would go over, you know, go outside or to the basement and play. He was a few years older than me. And as we're playing, you always have to mention that, you know, the previous night something would grab his legs or pull the blankets off of him or throw him off the bed. And at the time, I'm not thinking of something paranormal. I'm just like, okay, it must be your dad. Because my uncle was a big prankster. You know, he always joked around and stuff, but he would be like, it's not my dad because if my dad does stuff like that, my dad will eventually pop up and, like, you know, laugh at me or something. You know, big jokester. But at the time, I'm not thinking of paranormal. Being scared to me at the time was Freddy Cougar and Michael Myers and not knowing about the other realm and stuff. So me and the innocents, I always tell them, pray to God. Pray to God. He'll protect you no matter what. At this time, I was Jehovah's Witness and he was Catholic. And growing up Jehovah's Witness, you know, we're told that the Catholic religion is bad, evil, satanic in a way. So, of course, you know, like every Catholic home had the Virgin Mary, the big crucifixes, Jesus, saints. That was all scary to me because of what was put in my brain, you know. But it went along like that every other weekend or every weekend. You know, say hi to everybody and then we'd start playing. And then he'll have to mention, oh, hey, you know, last night or the last few nights something was pulling my legs real bad. I don't know where it is. But my response to him was like, did you pray to God? You know, did you pray? You know, he's going to protect me. So it went on like that. November, in November, I'm sorry, November 1990, his little brother was born. And, you know, same, you know, so fast forward a few months to the next year. I'm thinking it was February or March. It was still cold outside and, you know, it's five in the morning and he wakes me up frantic, sweating and kind of tear-eyed and stuff. And he's like, hey, do you want to watch some TV? And I'm like, okay, you know, fine. Sunday morning, cartoons are on, you know. You know how it was back in the day, good cartoons Sunday morning. So we go to the living room. It's still dark outside. And I start watching the Smurfs. As I'm watching the Smurfs all happy in the living room, he's like, I'm going to take a shower. I'm not thinking of it. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. But sorry to embarrass you, my cuz, but I think he soiled himself because whatever he experienced at that moment scared him, scared the crap out of him, you know. So I'm watching the Smurfs. Smurfs finish and then King Arthur comes on. Keep in mind everybody's still sleeping. He's still in the bathroom in the shower. And I'm having a good old time watching now King Arthur. And as I'm watching TV in the dark at five in the morning, I hear like some noise or body movement behind me by the hallway. And as I'm trying not to pay attention to it and just watching TV, I hear like breathing. But it's not like an adult breathing, like a baby. Everybody out there that will handle babies, that little cute breathing noise they make, that type of thing. And then the noise of diaper, the baby moving around. You hear the crinkling of the diaper. So I'm hearing that. So I ignore the TV. I look behind the couch. And I look by the entrance of the hallway in the dark. And I see my cousin, his little brother, like standing in the entrance of the hallway. One arm on the frame of the entrance. And like he was trying to balance himself like any little baby that's learning how to stand and walk. And he's just there. And I'm just looking at him. And I'm calling out to him. You know, I'm calling him. And, you know, I'm clapping my hands, you know, clapping, come here, come here, come here. And he's just standing there. And you could hear the breathing and the little movements he's doing. You could hear the crinkling of the diaper. So I'm like, come here. I try for like a minute or two. I'm like, come on. And he's just in the dark right there. So I'm like, ah, whatever. Whatever. So I go back watching King Arthur, nothing, nothing of it. Then towards the end of King Arthur, my cousin comes out of the bathroom. And he's like, hey, you ready to go back to bed? And I'm like, no, I don't want to watch cartoons. He's like, no, you know, mom and dad would get mad if we're up this early. So whatever. So I turn off the TV and we're walking back. And I'm like, hey, your little brother, he's out of the crib. He's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, yeah, he's by the hallway. He's trying to stand. He's like, he can't get out of the crib. He's still a baby, you know. And I'm like, yeah, I know, but I saw him by the crib. He's like, no. So then we go into his brother's room, which at the time he was sharing with his older sister. And the sister's sleeping and the baby is in the crib sound asleep. And he's like, you see? Yeah, it wasn't him. So I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, what did I just see? What in the world did I just see there? So we go back to bed and that's it, you know. That was my first experience. And it took me a few years as I'm getting older to process of what I experienced. Because through the time I kept going over there on the weekends, as I'm getting older, I'm now learning about the paranormal, the ghosts, you know, evil stuff. And now I'm getting scared to go in there on the weekends because I don't want to experience this, you know, again. And many more times, many more years, he'll wake me up at night. Did you grab me? I'm like, no. And there's times I woke up and he's on top of me. And like, I'm like, hey, hey, he's like, hey, that wasn't me, that wasn't me, you know. And like something will toss him off the bed sometimes. And it went like that for a few years until they moved out of the house and they went down south to Texas. But that house itself, everybody that will visit will always, you know, say similar things like, man, this house gives me the chills. You know, this house feels weird. They were on the first floor in the basement and second story was an apartment. They rented out. And same thing up there. When my grandma came from Mexico to stay up there for a few years, her and her daughter, you know, my aunt, they'll say the same thing at night sometimes. They'll hear the light flickering in the closet until they get up and turn on the lights and it's nothing. The light's not even turning on in the closet. They'll be like, they're trying to sleep and they hear a boom in the kitchen. They hear like someone's rattling the dishes and stuff. They go check, nothing. And it went like that many times. And there's one of my other cousins, many family members, was having a birthday party up there when she was a kid. And, you know, family pictures. And one of the pictures in the background of the hall, the entrance on the second floor, they see a silhouette of a woman. And that silhouette of a woman was the previous tenant that lived there. She died there. Yeah. So I'm trying to look for that picture because it's creepy. That would be really good to see. What kind of camera was it? Like a digital? Well, no. I'd say I think it was like 94, 95. Okay. So like a film. Yeah. 35 millimeter maybe. Wow. But then downstairs too, that's my cousin. You know, as we get older. Now his baby, you know, his brother, you know, is now a toddler. And I talked to him now and he's like, yeah, I experienced stuff down there too, you know. Like they had a computer room in the basement. And, of course, they weren't allowed to go in it so the door was always locked. But he said one time he was downstairs playing and he saw the lights run and he saw, like, you know, a shadow, like a movement in there. And he thought his brother, the bigger brother, was in there playing the games. So he was trying to, like, you know, get his attention. And he thought his brother was ignoring him. So he started throwing, I think, Uno cards under the door. And then something was throwing the Uno cards back at him. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. How old was he when that happened? I think he had to be, I'm guessing, four years old, four or five years old. Really? That's the thing, he didn't understand what was going on. Yeah. You know, time went on. And we spoke about it back in 2017, actually, when he came over out here to visit. And I'm like, you experienced stuff too? And he was like, yeah. And he was telling me all the stuff. And I'm like, geez. Now, did any of the adults ever say that they've seen, aside from the noises, that they've seen anything? They never mentioned it. And either they probably didn't, they didn't want to scare us. But when we tell them stuff, they were like, oh, it's nothing. It's just your imagination. And then when I'll tell my dad, back home, my dad would be like, oh, they're Catholics. They're Catholics. All that statue stuff is bringing demons, evil spirits and stuff. So I'm getting more scared now. I'm like, oh, I don't want to go there again. But my dad's like, oh, that's all stuff. Just make sure you pray to God, you'll be fine. And, yeah, that's how it was. So as them being Catholics, did they have a lot of, like, iconography as far as, like, crucifixes or, I know you said statues. Did they have a lot of stuff throughout the house that you recall? Yeah, they had the Virgin Mary statue. They had portraits of saints and stuff. I know they had a lot of crucifixes everywhere. And some of the crucifixes had some holy water inside. Like you move the side and it's like holy water. So my aunt was big on that. She still is. Growing up and being in a different religion, all that stuff was, you know, evil to me, you know. And now it's like, no, it don't bother me. I love seeing that stuff, you know, in houses. It's like a big, I feel like it's a big deterrent for evil to enter your home, something negative. But, yeah, that's how it went. And to this day, I don't know what that was, you know, because from everybody experiencing stuff in there, was it really, you know, angry spirit that didn't pass on? Was it something, you know, negative, demonic that was conjured in the past before they moved there? Because it was active. It was active. You know, you heard the common footsteps in the hallway. You heard the kitchen, like the chairs move at night when trying to sleep. When we're sleeping in the room, we'll close the door, you know. And you hear like someone walking by, just like creeping. And you're like, oh, turn off the lights, you know. It's your dad. It's my uncle, you know. And then nothing. And whenever it was my uncle, he opened the door and he would yell at us, go to bed or I'm going to mess you all up, you know. And the difference is it's like when we thought it was him, yeah, it just, the steps went away. And then as we're still up, we'll hear the steps coming back again. And, yeah. That's a lot to experience. Yeah. So there, his uncle lives there now. Okay. And I just spoke to him recently, and he said, yeah, the house is still active. And, you know, the same footsteps, pounding, stuff moving, things they think they hear breaking, still happening. Silhouettes or shadows, whatever you want to call them. Right. I never seen a shadow there. I never seen nothing popping out or nothing. It was just that one time, it was whatever it was, it looked like a baby. Right. Standing, balancing itself on the hallway. And that was the only thing I saw with my own eyes. Everything else I heard as years went on. It's like, you know, I continued standing there on the weekends. Yeah. That was my first experience, you know. It's a hell of an experience. Yeah. And as time went on now, growing up, I experienced a lot more stuff. You know, at work, other people's places, some other friends, their houses. We experienced something at one of your houses. Right. And what was it, 2008? Yeah, around 2008. In Lake Station, Indiana. That shadow, whatever I saw, scared the crap out of me. But you already experienced stuff in the past there, too. So you already knew something was there. Yeah, it was mostly sounds, though, like if somebody was in the house. Yeah, but we'll get that to another episode, because I've got many other stories. I mean, that's a lot from when it's been with you. Yeah. You know, as a child. I mean, if you think it's a ghost, that's one thing as far as, like, the footsteps and noises. But apparitions, you know, of a child, a woman, the picture. And then you had your cousin saying the Uno car is under the door. I mean, now that's something intelligent then. So that's very interesting. How old was the house, do you know? Jeez, I don't know. It's an old-school Chicago home. Yeah. If everybody, if you know what I'm talking about, it's an old-school Chicago home. You know, second story, long stairwell. Right. And, yeah, it's still there, though. I'd be curious on the history of the house, then, maybe if something did happen there or if something. Because, I mean, that's a lot of activity to be occurring that consistently and then over that length of time. Yeah, and it's still active today. And when's the last time you've been back there? Jeez. How old do you think you were? I was 19, I think, 1997. Okay, 1997. Yeah, 1997, and then they moved to Texas. And now since he's moved, did he ever experience anything after that, like, that is where he lives now? Or did he ever talk about it again? They moved to Texas. Yeah, they experienced some stuff, but not like that, not as bad as that. Okay. They moved about three times. Their final home where they stood there the longest, it was a big home, two-story, and had so many acres of land, farm in the back, and their neighbors were like two houses on each side. Now something horrific happened when they first moved there. My little cousin, the baby, who's now, you know, 12, 13 years old at the time, saw the neighbor's son walking around in the house. But the thing is, when they first moved there, you know, the neighbor's son murdered his parents and then went to their house, knocked on the door, but they were in Chicago at the time for the summer, and there was, like, bloody knuckle prints. And then he went to the other house, which his best friend lived in. And then they drove off in a car, and then it was a murder-suicide. But as time went on, yeah, my cousins, my little cousins, they will say that they will see him in the house still. Really? Yeah. And then in the farm area, I don't know, you just hear, like, some weird noises. Yeah, you know, it's not the cows, it's not the pigs, it's not the horses, you know. It was like you'll hear a rattle in there when we had to go back there to feed the pigs and stuff. And it'll be at night sometimes because we'll be too lazy to go during the day and feed them, you know. So we had to go. You know, my aunt would be like, you need to go before your uncle gets mad, you know, so we'll go. And, yeah, we heard some noises. I don't know what they were, but it could have been the building, you know, the farm itself, old rattling from the wind. So, but I never experienced nothing there, you know, personally. But, yeah, as time went on, they all experienced stuff in their own times. Wow, okay, so that was, how old were you when you went to visit them there? In Texas? At that farmhouse, I was already, I was like 99, 99. Yeah, they moved to a big house in 99. Okay, so that was just a couple of years after they moved down there? Yeah. You did tell your parents about it, though, about the stuff you'd seen at the other house, the Chicago house. Yeah, but my dad was, my dad's a religious man, so he always would say, well, you know, that's, that's, that's Catholic for you, you know. That's demonic stuff, that's evil, you know. Stay away from it. That's why they're experiencing all that stuff. But then in reality, it's like, no, dude, there's history to that house. Something happened. Right. Something either bad or people passed on, you know. We know for sure one, the lady upstairs passed away from an illness or something. Oh, okay, so someone did die in the house. Yeah, yeah, that lady in the picture that I was telling you about. Okay. Yeah. But that was before any of your family moved in there, like your cousins, or was that part of your family? Yeah, yeah, yeah, upstairs, so in Chicago, back in Chicago. Yeah. My cousins I was talking about, but then eventually my grandma moved up there. Okay. And then her older daughter, my aunt, they stayed up there for like two, three years. Okay. And that's how they're telling us the stories upstairs, you know, about the rattling, the flicking of the lights. But like I said, my other cousin, she had her birthday party up there, and that's when they're taking pictures, you know, fun times. And then in the background, one of the pictures, boom, you saw that silhouette. Now, did you see the picture or no? I think I glimpsed at it, but when I was a kid. Okay. I was looking at the pictures like, oh, you guys had a great time. I wish I was invited, but we couldn't because of religion. We couldn't really participate in that stuff. So I remember looking at the picture, but I just didn't think nothing of it. And then years later, she reminded me, we're talking about paranormal stuff, and she said about that picture. And I was like, I remember it, but I just didn't think nothing of it at the time. Did she remember like how detailed, like was it a full apparition? Yeah, like this woman when she was alive, like I think she was a teacher too, but long brunette hair, ponytail, glasses. She had a big nose, white woman. And, you know, she looked a little old, and she always had like a dress top, but like the old, you know, the 90s. Oh, the shoulder pads. The shoulder pads. Okay. Like that was her belt, you know. She wasn't, you know. And in that picture, you saw, if I can remember, like her nose and her profile. Wow. And it was just like, Jesus. I might try and get in contact with her to see if I ever found the picture. Yeah, that would be interesting to see. And that's the thing that, was it really her? Because if she was a teacher, like what would cause her, if, let's just say, for instance, if it was the woman that passed away, why would she go to this length to almost like terrorize everyone in the house? Why would she do that? So I don't, to me, I don't believe that that could be, you know, it could just be maybe a demon. You know, they say like demons know everything about you. They're with you from the day you're born. So to trick you, just like you said, maybe it was a demon appearing to be the child to get you to maybe feed into it, give you energy so it can manifest in other things. Just get close to it, and it does something to me. It's getting a living crap, you know. Yeah, that's what I experienced there, you know. What about you? Do you remember your first experience? The first one, I think I had to be like, I think around the same age then, six. I think my sister was four. But yeah, we were living in the apartment. Where were you staying at? That was in Chicago. In Chicago, Indiana? Yeah. Okay. And I remember she woke me up, and I asked her what was wrong. And she said that, I think she said the dog was barking. So I got up. Look, we had like a little Yorkie. And the dog was in the living room barking, but she was barking at the ceiling. So, you know, we're looking at the ceiling. What is she barking at? And the fan, which was off, was like slowly turning. And the dog was barking. And my mom was getting ready for work, so she was in the bathroom. So the dog's barking, the fan's spinning. And then we heard like a chair scoot in the kitchen, like someone dragged it across the floor. We heard what sounded like a chain slapping the door that went out to the porch. And then we just screamed. And then my mom came out and said, what's going on? And we told her. And she's like, I don't know what she even told us, to be honest with you. Whatever it was, just to get us to ignore it or forget what it was. But that was the first one. But I do remember that vividly, like the chair sound. Because it made a very distinct sound when we moved those. You know, it was like the linoleum floor. So the wooden chair had a very distinct sound. The chain hitting the door, you know, that stuff was like, what was it? It was weird. Because my aunt owned the apartment building. Okay. And so we lived upstairs. My grandmother lived downstairs. My aunt for a short time lived in the smaller unit on the other side of us. And then they used to rent out like the bottom front. My grandmother ended up, they expanded the base, the first floor. They knocked down the other unit to make it like one giant one. And I do know when they redid the floors, they found like stuff written, like numbers. My grandmother, you know, she would say it's voodoo or they were doing some, you know, big devil stuff. But there was numbers written. And I can't remember what the symbols looked like because I was, you know, probably like seven or eight. But there was definitely stuff on the floors. And then in the basement, I do remember there was stuff written in the back part of the basement on the walls. So I don't know if someone was living there, maybe doing witchcraft. And then I think one time I was sleeping with my grandma's, like I used to sleep on the floor a lot. And then laying down on the floor, I remember hearing like a harmonica sound coming from the basement. What? And my grandfather, because my grandma only moved there after my grandfather died. Okay. They sold their old house. She sold the house and then ended up moving, or she rented the house out. And then she ended up moving into the apartment. So then, yeah, I just remember hearing the harmonica. And then I told her, not thinking that, you know, your grandfather played a harmonica. But I heard it clear. It was like crystal clear, but it was coming from the basement. Oh, man. So there goes my grandfather playing the harmonica for me. You know, so but then I think similar to that house you're saying, you know, we lived in that apartment for 18 years. And it was more so my grandmother would say stuff as saying that she would tell my mom, hey, you know, the kids are running up and down the stairs. And like, now we're sleeping. And she said that it sounded like someone would be running up and down. And then like we were throwing a ball, like bouncing it off the wall and catching it. And she said she would hear that in the middle of the night. Gee. Yeah, we're sleeping. Yeah. So I'm not sure. I know I didn't like being in the basement. You know, I used to have to do laundry downstairs. And I've run. I had, you know, I had the pool string light bulbs. Yeah. And I put the stuff in the washer and grabbed that string and go as far as I could to click it off. And then I just book it out of there because it was, you know, it was the older brick basement. Yeah, old school basement. Yeah. Creepy. And especially the back part because my aunt had died in the early 90s. She had brain cancer. So they had put all her stuff in the back part of the basement. Now, when you went to the back part of the basement where the furnaces were, the basement almost, it got more narrow. And so all the way in the back you had to like almost get all the way down in all fours to crawl back there. And I never went back there. You just, obviously the basement's cold, but you had like a feeling just going past anything past there. It was like that much more colder and just an eeriest feeling. So I never went back there. I never seen any shadows there. You know, the harmonica sound, hearing the thing when we were in the first one. But other than that, I don't recall ever seeing anything else until like my aunt's house. And then she had, which even to this day I think she still has stuff. The owner died at her house. But there I remember seeing stuff there. But that was like my first shadows experience of seeing things moving. Creepy, man. I mean, it makes you wonder what, you know, as you get older you become more exposed to, you know, movies and other cultures and religions. And you're like, okay, what are these demons? Are they ghosts? Are they, you know, what are they? That's the biggest thing. It's a mystery really. Figuring it out, deciphering it. I mean, you could say you're an expert or someone could say they're an expert. But at the end of the day, they don't really know what it is. You know, it's your best guess. One of the mysteries I have right now, I just moved into this house May of last year. And there's a little boy here. He looks normal. White boy. And he makes his appearance sometimes, mainly in the hallway. My wife saw him a few times. You know, we're still trying to find the history of this house. You know, did he die in here or what? But no interaction with my kids or nothing like that. And, you know, I try to talk to him about them. And just, you know, I'm not trying to scare them or nothing. I'm just like, oh, hey, who are you guys talking to in here? And they're like, oh, I'm talking to my toys. And I'm like, oh, okay. So it's not that. But, yeah, in this house, we got a little boy. It's very random. And after moving in here, like how soon after did you start seeing it? We moved here in May. I think my first encounter with it was, I think, July. No, June, because my kids were still in school. And I work overnight. And I remember waking up. My wife was out picking up my kids. But, like, I'm still half asleep getting my coffee. And I'm in the kitchen. And I look by the back entrance, which leads to, you know, the kitchen into the basement. And I saw a little white boy looking at me. And, like, it looked at me. It blinked. It turned its head. And it went downstairs. You know, when I saw him, I'm like, oh, you must be so-and-so's friend. And then it walked downstairs. And I'm, like, still half asleep. And then it started clicking. And I'm, like, wait, why do I not hear footsteps going down the stairs? I look in the basement. It's dark in here. My kids aren't home yet. And I freaked out. So I went to go chill in the garage until my family came over. And I'm, like, hey, what's going on, guys? And my wife's, like, why are you in the garage? And I'm, like, I'll tell you later. And then I told her. And she's, like, I told you. I told you, there's a little boy in here. You know, but that was my first encounter. And after that, I haven't seen him ever since. But in my living room, there's two entrances. And then one, at least, in the hallway. It's, like I said, it's random. No specific time of night or nothing. But it's nighttime. Whereas we're watching TV in the dark, you'll see something popping up, like peekabooing, you know, and then it's gone. And it'll do it a few times, and then that's it, you know. Is it a full shadow or, like, apparition, or what do you? It's, I mean, it's dark. So all I see is something black just popping out. Okay. And that's it. That's a little. Yeah, so I'm guessing if it's somebody peeking at us, it's probably their head, you know, just, like, looking. Wow. And it's, like, it's not my kids because when you open the door, it's, like, a big clunk. So if they try to be discreet opening the door, you still hear the clunk. So it's not them. It's not them. And if it is them, we go to bed, and then you just hear them say, okay, okay. And then plus they're not quiet. They're just, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know. They're loud. This thing is just, like, wow, what the hell is this, you know. But we cleansed the house about a month ago, and we haven't seen it or nothing like that. Since then? No. Or not the kid, but we haven't seen the kids ever since July of last year. But the peekabooing and stuff, we haven't seen that lately. Really? Yeah. What did you use, like, sage or? We used sage and then palo santo. Okay. Palo santo. And, yeah, nothing, nothing, you know, nothing. I haven't seen nothing. And prior to cleansing the house, you know, my wife was in the restroom, and she saw him in the mirror. Oh, okay. Like, he was standing right next to her, and she freaked out. She's seen him walking down the hall a few times. You know, I work overnight, so I'm not here most of the time. I dedicate my time, 90% of the time, working, you know. Wow. So I'm not here most. And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, yeah, whatever. You didn't see nothing. But then, no. It's the same description of what she sees, what I saw, you know, in July. That's it. Now, what she's seen in the mirror, it's a full-on apparition? Yeah. It's not just a mist? No. Okay. And the thing is, you know, we're just like, oh, it's a little white boy. And, you know, he doesn't look, you know, pale or, you know, ugly. He looks like a healthy boy. Wow. And he just, you know, he just stares at you. And it's like, ooh, what's going on here? Right. What happened to you here, you know? And the kids never said anything? No, no, no. I still talk to them once in a while, like, hey, have you, you know, now they're getting into ghosts and stuff, too, but, you know, on a more of a fun level with, you know, games and stuff. So I'm like, oh, did you guys ever see a ghost here, you know, ha, ha, ha? And they're like, no, no, no, no. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. So I'm relieved for that, you know, at least they're not experiencing something like I did, you know, when I was young. Okay. So they never seen anything? No. I thought you said before, I thought you had mentioned something or they asked about it. I thought your oldest did. I could be wrong. Yeah, no. I mean, he asked about heaven. Okay, but never as far as, like, my door open or nothing like that? No. Okay. Okay, that's good, then. No. My previous house in Hammond, he experienced some stuff there, but he was only three at the time. Okay. Three at the time, and my second son, he was just an infant, and the spirit was messing with him, which I guess attached to follow me from our other home in Lake Station. That house in Lake Station was messed up, but the only way I know that is because I'm going to see a medium clairvoyant, and right away she was on point on everything. And she said, yeah, this spirit doesn't like kids, and he passed away on your land, but, you know, he roamed the house with another spirit, which I was correct, because when we moved into that house, after a few days, I'm like, you know, one, the house doesn't feel right. Two, I feel like there's two of them, and they don't like me. Okay. Yeah, but that would be another. There's tons of stories to share with you. Just from that house? Yeah. Wow. That house alone. At the Hammond house, when he was three, there would be nights he wakes up screaming, and then next thing you know, my infant would start screaming. And we would just be like, what's going on? What's going on? And one night, my three-year-old wakes up crying, so my wife gets up, and she goes calms him down, see what's up. Maybe he's, you know, urinating on himself or something. But no, he just woke up crying. And then at the time, my second son was sleeping with us in the bassinet next to the bed. He started crying. So she's hearing him crying, and then she hears me getting up and cooing my infant. You know, and I used to go, ba-ka-ba-ka-boo-koo, baby. You know, parents out there understand what I'm talking about. Right. So she's like, all right. So then my three-year-old's back to bed, and as she's walking into our room, she hears me cooing the baby. She walks in the room. I'm knocked down in the bed, and she sees something floating over the bassinet, and it goes into the ceiling. And she was like, what in the world? What was this? After that, I waited a few days because I'm working a lot, and that's when I went to go see the clairvoyant to see what was going on. And she explained a lot of stuff to me, which I think makes more sense of why throughout my whole life I've been experiencing stuff. And I just feel like I'm in the wrong place in the wrong time, and I just see it. Okay. But she explained more stuff. I'll get into detail later on that. And so, yeah, I had to close the house. You know, she told me, you know, make sure no one's in the house. Make sure you remove all your pets. And I stare in the basement. And I wish I still had an iPad. You know, I just video record. Okay. And I put it in my hoodie sweater. And, you know, I'm staging. This is my first time ever staging. So I was wondering if I was doing it right and stuff. And as I'm going, you know, through every corner, every crevice and everything, I'm hearing movement upstairs. And you were by yourself? Yeah. And the thing is, it wasn't a footstep. It was just movement. Like, if someone was standing still and, like, leaning over trying to grab something, you could hear the floors crack. Okay. It was like that. So I'm like, okay. And as I'm getting up, going upstairs, I get to the kitchen, and I smell aftershave. Oh, okay. And the thing is, it's not – I have aftershave. I walk back there. I used to shave a lot. And it wasn't my sense. It was a different type of aftershave. And I'm like, what? And then, okay, keep going, keep going. And then as I'm going in the rooms, I'm hearing movement in the porch. And in the porch, like I said, it was just like somebody was in there, like, freaking out. I don't know how to explain it, but it wasn't footsteps. It was like if someone was in there, like, trying going back and forth. Okay. And finally, when I got to the porch, I did it, too. You know, did my – you know, the process of closing the house and ending it. And we were clear after that. So it's almost like the sage that basically drove it out of the house. Yeah, I'm hoping so, yeah. And then after you did that, did you have any other experiences? Oh, yeah. So you still did have stuff. Yeah, only because of me being in a dark place. And what the clairvoyant told me is I can possibly attract spirits, especially when you're really, really negative and stuff. And I was in a dark place. And after that, yeah, we started encountering stuff again. But it wasn't what it was before. It was mostly like a silhouette in the kitchen while we were in the living room watching TV at night. And it was like that. It was on and off. It was – you know, it wasn't every night. It wasn't, you know, a certain time. It was just in the nighttime, we're watching TV, you know, and get up to get something to drink. And as you're walking, you're just like, geez. It's right there. Yeah. But I do have two pictures that, you know, hopefully we can share somehow with the people that are listening. One picture – it's funny. And one picture, I was knocked down on the couch. It was like 4 or 5 in the morning. You know, it was my day off, so, you know, I drank good. And I'm knocked down on the couch. At this time, our Roku remote broke. So we had to use the app on our phone. Okay. So I'm knocked down on the couch. So then my oldest son gets up, and he grabs my phone, and he turns on the TV again. But I guess he takes selfies of himself. I could show you the slides, and all the time matches up. And one of the pictures, he takes a picture of me knocked down on the couch in my drawers and everything. Okay. And, you know, so, you know, fast forward in the morning. I'm up, and I'm like, hey, who grabbed my phone? I'm looking, and I see the picture, and I start laughing. And I'm like, oh, man. And then that embarrassing picture of me knocked down on the couch. I go show my friends. I'm like, look at this. You know, look at this. And they're like, dude, what's wrong? I'm like, I was drunk. And then you look at the picture, and there's something on the couch with me at the edge of the couch. Towards your head or towards your feet? Like on the other side of the couch. So I'm on the left side, and something was on the right side. Oh, I know. I remember the picture now. Okay. It looked like somebody's huddling down. It almost looked like a kid. Yeah. Okay. I remember. And I'm just like, you know, what is this, you know? The thing is, in my experience of taking pictures, it's always a few days later or a week later where I go back and just look at them, and I capture something. You know, at this time, my son captured it. And I'm looking at the picture. It looks like somebody is, like, chilling on the couch with me. Yeah. I think it was that same year, too. I think it was 2018 or 19, before pandemic. And my father came over to visit. And again, you know, he wanted to take pictures with his grandsons. So, my dad's holding both of my kids, and I start taking pictures. You know, you can never get a perfect shot with kids, you know? Right. So, again, if you look at the times of all the pictures, all those slides, the times are matching. And in one of the pictures, you see, like, what looks like a halo in a way, but it's not a halo, but it's dots, colorful dots. Okay. And it's around my youngest son. Oh, okay. And then the next picture, it's not there no more. And if you go before that picture, it's not there. And then that one picture appears. All right. That sounds like it wouldn't be anything necessarily bad, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But, I mean, the colors look beautiful. I mean, they're real colorful. Yeah. And I don't know what that is, though, you know? That seems like it could be something possibly, like, maybe like a guardian angel or something, a positive, maybe a positive spirit looking over. I imagine if it was something negative, it would probably be, like, you know, like the orbs or something dark, a mist. Yeah. But something like that, that seems like it could be possibly positive. I mean, I would think. I don't know. I guess it could be anything. But, yeah, no. That was the... Do you still have that picture, though? Yeah. I still got it. I'll send it to you. See? I'm not crazy. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, no, I think that's pretty cool. I think put them up on the website. It should have up pretty soon. So I'll have them up there, and then people can go on there, and stuff we've talked about, maybe we can just post that stuff. And I think that'd be pretty cool. I got one cool photo. I think it was 2012. Me and my wife, we were staying at Holbrook. Remember those apartments? Yes. Yeah, the nice ones, not the ghetto ones across the street. Right. But one of our cats passed away, and we just came back from lunch, and then my wife had to step out to do some errands. So I get home. I had two cats at the time. So the first one greets me at the door, along with my dog. And I'm looking for the other one, because we know she was a little sick. But at the time, you know, with money and everything, we couldn't afford to take her to a vet. And I found her on the side of the couch, you know, deceased, you know. And since we were gone for a few hours, I think she passed away as soon as we left, because it was already, you know, rigor mortis, stiff and everything. I take pictures of her, and I send them to my wife, and say, hey, she passed on. But in one of the pictures, I'm holding her. I'm grabbing her, and just to show that I wasn't joking, because she was, you know, stiff. And I'm holding her at an angle, and then, you know, I said to her, she believed me. She said, okay, yeah, we'll bury her when we get home. And then again, I think it was a week later, I'm looking at the pictures again. And I'm like, what the hell did I capture here? And in the picture, it looks like a ray of light or something coming out of the cat. Oh, okay. But by the paw, where it starts off, it's kind of transparent. And then it gets like a grayish-white color, and it goes up my arm in the picture. And then when it gets on my arm, it looks charred. And by the time it's on my arm, it's like a solid color. But by the paw, it's transparent. And I got to look for that one. That one's real cool. Wow. So, yeah. That sounds like a life force. And then it went into your arm. Yeah, but when I'm taking the picture, I didn't see nothing. Right. And again, like I said, it was a week later. I looked at the pictures. I was missing my cat. You know, I missed her so much. And I'm like, what the hell is this? And like you said, it's always going back that you would notice that it was there. Yeah, yeah. And it's never like, oh, I'm going to take a picture of this. No, no. I'm just taking pictures of my family or something I see funny. Right. And then a few days later or a week later, it's just, hey, there's something in the background here. You know? So, wow. That's pretty interesting. You have a gift. I don't know. I just, like I told you, I think I'm in the wrong place in the wrong time. And I experience or capture something, you know? Yeah. Okay. I guess we can go back to like some of the apparitions that you would see. Would you ever say anything? Like, did you ever? No, no. No interaction as far as like you saying anything? No, because one, I'm not, from what I read, you know, don't talk to them. Don't encounter them unless you know what you're doing, which I don't know what I'm doing. And so I'm not going to be like those people, you know. Start versing a Bible or something, you know. I'm not going to do that. Okay. I don't know what it is, you know. And I'll see it for that millisecond, and then it's gone. Wherever I go, I might see stuff like that all the time. Perfect example, what I mostly see, not in this house, but like once in a while. Have you ever watched that documentary, The Demon House? Yeah. Okay. A thousand years. There's a scene where they're in the house and all the cameras are set up. One of the cameramen is like looking in the bathroom and then moving away into the hallway or something. And then to do a replay, you know, he starts talking, oh, he captured this. Well, in the bathroom, he captures what looks like, it's like mid-level, looks like a rag, like moving quick. Oh. That stuff I see all the time. So I don't know if the show, the documentary is real. You know, people say that his show is fake and stuff. But if that was real or it's fake, they did a great job because that's the stuff I see all the time. It looks like a rag. Like, you know, you grab it and you just whip it out, and it's just like the way it moves. That's what I usually see. And it's like when I see stuff like that, I'm just like, oh, geez, here we go. What else am I going to feel now? What else am I going to, what's going to pop up in front of me? Right. How often would you say it, for you, like it happens, like on a regular, like on a daily basis? No, no, it's not. Like I said, it's random for me. You know, it's random. But like in this house, I haven't seen nothing like that. That snap? That rag form, tap thing, you know? Other than the little peek-a-boo-ing in the hallway and that one experience in July with the white boy spirit, that's it. But like at the Hammond house, I would see a lot of that. The Lake Station house, I would see a lot of that. One time the Lake Station house, we were getting ready to go to church. We were going Saturday services. Okay. And it was, I think August. It was still summer outside. I'm getting my hair done in the bathroom, and I just hear someone say my name. You know, not shouting, not screaming, but like in a calm voice, someone just said my name in my ear. And I'm like, what in the world was that? So I'm like, oh, it must be outside. You know, our neighbors were always outside playing. But I'm like, you could hear the difference, the noise barrier and stuff, like from them shouting and having other time outside from that tone of voice that said my name in my ear. It was like right next to you? Yeah. And it was calm. And I'm like, all right, you know what? Let me just finish up here and let's get out of here. Everybody who came over to my house at the Lake Station, they knew the place was haunted. They experienced stuff too. You know, the lights flickering while they're there. Stuff would get thrown off the shelves. Not the shelves, the counter of the kitchen. They thought they saw someone walk in the little hallway, or they slept in the guest bedroom. They felt like somebody was in there with them. Really? Yeah. Like I said, I got many stories from that I could share. Just to do a whole episode? Yeah, that's a whole two episodes probably. Because that one, oh, man. If the clairvoyance is true, what she told me, there was a negative spirit that didn't like kids, and it didn't like me. Wow. So to the point where my dog interacted. Really? Growling at it at night, looking at the hallway stuff. But I'll stop there if you don't want to. That would be another episode I could share. Yeah, no, that would be, I mean, that's good information. And you still talk with her? No, I haven't made contact with her. I think she's, I don't know if she's stopped doing it. Okay. Or she's busy with her personal life. If I know she has some stuff going on. She's a very nice lady. Good soul. And I can't remember if you said, did she, when you explained all this stuff to her, she did say there's a reason? She did tell you that, right? Yeah. And if I can remember, this was 2018. Yeah. October 2018. Because I actually wanted to go seek answers, you know. And like I said, she was on point at everything. I can't say word for word. But I guess study more or learn about it. I can, too, you know, make contact with spirits and talk to them or interact. It's like what she can do. But she also warned me, too, that if I proceed forward, that to be ready to encounter negative spirits, too. And for your family, somebody experienced them, and you got to know how to remove them. So I got excited when she told me that. But then I'm like, no, I don't want my family. I don't want my family experiencing it. It's not fair. So I never proceeded forward to doing anything, learning or studying or practicing, however you say it. Right. But, yeah, no, she cleansed me that day. And she said I had a negative entity attached to me, which I never heard about. She said I had an elemental demon attached to me. When she described it, I saw it before. I saw it before at the Lake Station house. What she described to you you saw? Yeah. But this is before she told you that. When she described it to you, you recall that you had seen that. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I've seen it before, you know, like for a glimpse or so. And I'm just thinking, no, I'm just tired. That was just my imagination, you know. But the way she described the thing, like that, I saw it before. I saw it like twice. And, yeah, she said it was attached to me. She did her cleansing and, you know, the whole process. I'm not big on it, but, you know. Right. Or to use the right words. But after that, I felt good. I didn't feel like I had pressure on my back no more. And for a few months, I felt good. That's it. But then eventually it came back. Like how did you feel after that? Did that mean it wore off? Or is that what you're saying? That feeling? No, that specific feeling, it never came back. It never came back. That never came back. Yeah. So do you think if what she's saying, if it was that elemental entity? Demon. Demon? Yeah. So you think it maybe detached from you then? Yeah. Okay. And she didn't specify why? Or maybe because they just attract to you that it latched on? She said something similar to that. Wow. Elemental spirits. Yeah. I never heard of that until she told me. And I started saying, you know, I went to go read up on it. And I'm like, what? Does that stuff exist? Okay. Now I know. Because when you say elemental, it almost sounds like mystical creatures. Right. That's what I would describe it as. That's the first thing I thought too. Like elves, pixies, fairies. Fairytale stuff. You know, she was like, they're not from this world. It's that shadow realm, the paranormal dimensions. Which kind of makes me wonder. Okay, so like your experience is things that if they're attracted to you, and if you're able to see them on a more consistent basis and say, I would be able to, is it that you have the unique ability that you're able to slightly peek into the dimensions, okay, we'll call them dimensions, that they operate in. Okay. That's kind of my line of thinking and when people say that kind of stuff, that's where my mind goes to. Kind of like maybe like people that have schizophrenia. Obviously they're seeing things that aren't there. They can describe things in vivid detail. And you always say, well, they're crazy, just get to the front. But is it possible that maybe their, what is diagnosed as a mental illness, they have a unique ability to where they can see things that may really be there. That's kind of interesting, Nick, and maybe that's possible you have that unique ability. You can see that. Or kind of like the near-death stuff. You know, I almost died. I saw my grandfather calling out to me. And then, you know, I may say a specific thing that he told me that I don't know what it means. But to another family member, when they say, you know, he called me this name or he said this name, they're like, well, that was your great-great-grandfather. You know, and I didn't know that. So how did I get that information? Because you hear those stories a lot. You hear them a lot. And then similar stories, too, of them almost passing away. They always say, I've seen the light. It's like, are you looking up at the, you know, the surgical lights that are, you know, giving you chest compressions or, you know, arcane or something. But no, they always say, I've seen the light. And it's people from different faiths, you know, not just one religion. Is it all good stuff, no matter what religion you're in? You know, does it all lead to the same happy realm, you know, for internal life or what? It kind of reminds me of, I kind of think, of what you said about the cat when, in the picture you saw, you know, almost like what I would say is the cat's life force. To me, that's going into you. That's why I kind of think of that, like in Constantine. Remember when he took the cat and put his feet into the water to go into, we'll say, the shadow realm, and that the little demons or whatever they were were crawling around. And if you notice how bright he was. I'll have to find it and send it to you. There was a YouTube video of a, I don't know if he was a psychologist, but he was kind of talking about, on the lines of like the DMT, and especially in those near-death situations, because your body is lacking oxygen, the natural DMT is getting flushed into your body. Like you're producing more than you normally would have, and that's why you're able to have those type of experiences. But they say that your physical body, and, you know, when your spirit leaves you, you have like a tether. That's your life force. And that when you go into those shadow realms, kind of like in Constantine, you remember that if you looked, they were smelling as they were moving around, because they know, hey, this ain't one of us. Like, what's he doing here? And they're attracted. They want to attach. In the video, I remember the guy was saying that they for sure can see it. They know you're not one of them, and they want to attach you. And they say basically like that tether, that they can take that. And if you don't know what you're doing, kind of like the astral projection stuff, people try to do it, that's the one way back into you. And then I'm assuming that's possibly one way people become possessed. Yeah, possibly. I don't know. I just never tried it before. The astral projection? Yeah. I experienced it before. But, you know, again, like every other story, I was dreaming, and I saw my house. I was on top of the roof. It was like one of those dreams, you know. But except I just saw myself sleeping, and I saw my wife sleeping. Okay. And I'm just like, in my dream, I'm like, all right, well, go outside, and that's it, you know. I didn't think nothing of it until I woke up, and I'm just like, was that an astral projection? You didn't see anything else, though, right? No, no. Like I said, if it was that experience, I just stood in the house, you know. I went to the kitchen. I went to the laundry room. Okay. I made sure all the doors were locked. After you woke up? No, no, like during that phase, you know. Okay, when you believe it might have been an astral projection. Yeah. But it's an area that you're familiar with. Yeah. What I had said before about my aunt's house, when she moved out of the apartment and again bought her house, which had the owner kill himself in there, and there's always been stuff going on as far as like paranormal, seeing things, hearing things. But when my cousin was taking martial arts classes, my aunt would take him, of course, and she would talk to the owner who was a husband and wife. The wife had brought it up to her, which is kind of odd, and told her, hey, you know, I practice astral projection. And she's like, oh, okay. Because she was thinking, like, why would you approach somebody, and that's like one of the first things, you know, a topic to discuss. So she had mentioned it, and she always thought that was weird. And then shortly after that, I don't know, weeks, but she said one day she was in the kitchen, my aunt, and she was cooking, and she said she looked down the hallway, and she'd seen an apparition. She's looking, and it was a lady in a dress. And she's looking at her, and she's, like, thinking, like, what is it? And she said the lady turned, because the person in the back was to her, and they were looking into my cousin's bedroom as he was sleeping. And so then the lady turned around, and she said it was the lady from the martial arts place. Oh, my goodness. And then she said as soon as she turned around and seen her, that she just disappeared like that. I was like, that's weird. I looked at my little cousin. That was kind of odd. But, you know, was it really her, or was it, you know, the guy that killed himself in the house? I don't know. Because she would have stuff like she was, like, in the basement doing laundry, she said, and that behind her, she said, someone said, do you think she can see us? What? Which means, was there more than one? So I'm like, well, what did you do? She just said that she put the washing machine on, and she just went upstairs. But hers is another one, like, there's a feeling in the house. Like, you don't want to be there by yourself. It's just like almost like a heaviness, I guess, especially in the basement. She had, like, a second bathroom in the basement, and I hated just to, like, have to go down there. And it was to that. Because, like, when her and my uncle were separating, you know, at one point he was living downstairs, and he always accused her of coming downstairs. And similar to how you were saying you could, like, pull on the feet. Yeah. He was like, you're down here coming down here and messing with me and pulling at my feet and pulling the blanket. I was like, come on. You think she was going down there and doing that? Like, that's something else. But, man, there was something always eerie about that basement. You ever got your legs pulled sleeping? No. You know what's weird is that I'm the type of person that, so, like, if we watched a scary movie, you know, I could forget about it. But the minute it gets laid out and it's time for me to go to bed, all those thoughts are now flowing back into my head about it. And that's one thing. I don't know what I would do, but that was, like, always a fear, like, my feet. I'd always dream, like, someone's going to grab my feet. I've never felt it. I always think it's going to happen, but it's never happened, thank God. I don't think I've ever had anything like that as far as a touch. Like, I've never felt anything like that. I experienced it two times at the Hammond House, 2021, summertime. But the thing is, the two times I experienced it, I'm waking up. So I'm waking up in the bed, and I can't move. And it's like, you know, my brain is telling me, move, move. I can't. Something's here. Boom, boom. Like, it's clicking in my head like something's not right. But, like, I'm half asleep still, so I'm just telling myself I'm just dreaming it. But the two times, yeah, I'm, like, sleeping on my side, and, yeah, someone grabs my ankles. And they don't pull. They don't, like, there's nothing bad. They just, like, it's funny in a way. They grab my legs, and, like, they just, like, swing them a little bit. Like, slowly. And then they let them go. But the second time that happened, same experience in there. I can't move. And then I'm telling myself, crap, here we go again. And they grabbed my legs, and they swung them slowly. And then before I stopped, you felt one hand let go and tap the bottom of my heel. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. And then it was gone. And I can't move again. I'm just, like, man, what in the world is this? And that's the only two times I ever experienced that in life. It sounds like sleep paralysis. Probably. That's another story, too. I'm assuming you were on your back. No, I was on my side. I was on my left side. Oh, okay. So my legs, you know, curved. You know, my legs are bent a little bit. And they just moved them like that, you know. So it was only for, like, a few seconds. But, like I said, it was no aggressive feel or nothing. It was just like somebody was playing with me, messing with me. But what really got me was the second experience. Someone tapped my heel. Like you felt the other hand let go and then just, like, tapped my heel. And then that was done. So I don't know what that was, man. Like I said, the Hammond House, it was, you know, I don't know what it was. All right. You know, but. And you never had that happen again? No, no, no. If anything, I'm more paranoid now. Like I make sure my feet are covered. Oh, yeah. You know, the mighty blanket will protect you. Wow. I mean, I would imagine it seems like it's sleep paralysis. That's the one thing I've kind of looked into a lot with just, like, your story. They're very all similar as far as once that non-movement comes into play. I think you're into that low-oxygen state. It's usually people, I think, that have, like, sleep apnea or that snore. They have some type of disruption in their sleep. Their body's probably, I think, it's flooded with more DMT than you normally would have. And you're into that almost that shadow. You're not quite into that shadow realm area. You're just, like, wetting your feet, like in the swimming pool. Just putting your feet in. I think that's almost what it is. Because I had talked to this guy at work who he had the same experience you did a few times to where he couldn't move. He knew he was awake, but he could not move any part of his body. And he said that every time he experienced that, he would see a shadow appear. And I think the last – no, he would always see the shadow moving. So he started looking into it. And he started – kind of similar lines as far as research into breathing and the sleep apnea stuff. So he started doing, like, almost like yoga breaths. Okay. So he was restricting his oxygen because he was holding – he was breathing in and out and then holding his breath. So then he said he was able to put himself into that paralysis state. And he said that's the last time he did it because he saw that shadow again, but this time he saw it move to his bed. And he said when the shadow disappeared, his bed went down. Like, someone sat down. And then he said then he was able to move and it went away. And then he didn't do it again. So I've looked it up. There is a guy – they call him the Iceman, not the Serial Killer – or not the Hitman. But there's another Iceman, Wim Hof, who – he does, like, those ice baths. Like, he'll go, like, in a Speedo and he'll sit out in the ice. And he's really good at controlling his breath. And he does, like – it's like a natural DMT, same thing. And he'll do, like, lessons. You can even look on YouTube and his voice is talking, telling you when to inhale, when to exhale, how long to hold it for. And you can put yourself into, like, a sleep paralysis state or a low oxygen state. And he'll do them, like, in a cabin. They have all these people laying them down on the floor. And he's talking over them, doing the breathing. And then people – you can tell it hits because there's people that are, like, laughing hysterically. There's people that are crying hysterically. And I think it's a small amount of DMT that's more just above what you normally would have to have, like, vivid dreams and stuff like that. So it's kind of interesting. I think it has something to play with it, for sure. So maybe one day we can do an episode on maybe just that. Because, I mean, they say to the psychedogs, you know, when they're smoking DMT, that that's, like, because it's such a high amount of it that, you know, they say it's like your body's being shot out into outer space. And everything just, they say, completely – everything around you just disappears. And it's, like, geometrical shapes. Yeah, and that's – the stories I hear, I'm like, yeah, like, I want to learn more about it. Because a lot of stories I hear are similar to that. And these people are not spiritual. They're not, you know, experiencing what I'm experiencing, you know, or sensitive or whatever. They're just Joe Schmo. And they decide to do it with their friends. And they tell me stories are similar. I'm like, that's interesting. Why are you experiencing it, you know? Well, they had to do something to do it. It's where you can – it just happens for you almost, essentially. Yeah, so definitely more episodes. You know, we can go into, I think, more specific topics like that. I think they're pretty cool. So I think we can call it for this one, personal experiences. Yes, we can. Many more to share, that's for sure. In the line of work I do, I experience some stuff, too. Those are pretty wild. Okay, for sure. And then hopefully we'll get those pictures and we can put them up. The website I am working on, and it should be up pretty soon so we can have all the access to that aside from the podcast. And then maybe I want to put up a – it'll be through an email, but people can submit maybe their own personal stories. And then we can talk about it or – That's great. I think that would be kind of interesting. Get other people and see maybe they've had the same experiences. And then, if anything, maybe help them figure out what's going on. I think that would be pretty cool. We can try. But, yeah, anybody listening, share your experience with us. And then we can share it with the world, you know, and go on from there. All right, sounds good. All right, and everybody, thank you for listening. And until next episode. Thank you again, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.