New Recording 2

So you talked a lot about how the novel comes from an insincere perspective. I still had no direct experience with slavery. What is a specific example from this, the text, and how did it make you feel? How did it make you feel? Um... So just like what you were saying in your original recording, why do you think that she comes from an insincere perspective, and how did it make you feel, or how did it change your perspective on the book, and then if you can think of a specific example of when that happened. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I guess like as you say that, one thing that I think of is the image of like Uncle Tom's cabin, and like Chloe, and like their home, and how she describes their family as like super happy, like, I don't know, it's like woolly-headed children bouncing up and down with joy, and it seems like she's really just like imagining this completely. Because she's never actually, of course, had like the experience of being there, and it kind of, I don't know, for me it left me with like a weird feeling, it was like, this is like just not true at all. I guess as we see it, it's kind of effective in like kind of the lore of the story, kind of getting across what she's trying to get across. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Do you want to ask me a question or should I ask you another question? Like the insincerity of her perspective. Yeah. Um, yeah, I didn't really talk about that much in like my podcast, but I thought it was, it was interesting that like, also, it seemed that only like white characters could have like certain like character complexities, sort of, like Tom, for example, like the only reason that we can truly like empathize with him and that he's a big part of the story is because he's like so Christian, but I think that like, if it was like a black man that wasn't Christian, then we wouldn't be able to like, have like the plot wouldn't have followed them as much. I don't know. Like, yeah, more likable. Yeah. 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But it's, it's like, for me, it felt like Stowe was trying to say that, like, all these black people aren't like betraying each other, like, this is the way to like, build a new society. And it felt like a little unsettling to me how she was like, preaching that through these characters through like an identity that she didn't hold. Do you want to talk about like, the empathy, like the appeal to empathy? Um, I guess, like another theme that we've shared interest in, and the book was like Stowe's method to appealing to empathy. And like, for you, at what episode in the novel, did this method make you buy into the story? Like, at what specific point? Did this like, bring you along and draw you in? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. 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