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In this podcast episode, the host interviews Carmen Morgan, an experienced chiropractor, to bridge the gap between chiropractors and physiotherapists. They discuss the misconception that chiropractors and physios have about each other's work. They also mention a paper that shows a stronger link between manual therapy and exercise for better outcomes. The host acknowledges that chiropractors are ahead of physios in some aspects and emphasizes the importance of learning from each other's experiences. The conversation ends abruptly. There we go. OK. So we're just similar. Yeah. OK. So welcome to the Physiopause podcast, where we explore current evidence and musculoskeletal injury management by interviewing guests, hopefully providing you with some useful insight and pragmatic takeaways for your practice. In this wider series, we'll be interviewing accomplished clinicians who've had a variety of musculoskeletal injuries to tap into the combination of their patient and physio experiences, actually providing you with practical learning opportunities by learning from them. Today, we have an experienced chiropractor from Romsey, Carmen Morgan, to help us, educate us on the work that chiropractors do to help get us, bridge the gap between the two clinicians and the two types of professions, which can only really help benefit patients in the long run. So Carmen, thank you for coming on. Can you introduce yourself to the crowd? Oh, an audience. Excellent. Excellent. So to start off with, do you have a few things that you feel that physios think that chiropractors do? Do you have an interpretation of what we think chiropractors do from your end? What's that? Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think that that is a definite point of contention. I used to have that as a sports therapist. I view that very strongly. I held onto that until working with physios and then training as a physio, realizing that it's not the clinicians necessarily. Unfortunately, it's the time constraints. It still doesn't help the output because the end result means that patients walk away feeling a bit frustrated. There is some evidence which is starting to build, I think, starting to build, maybe rebuild the connection between manual therapy and physiotherapy. And the paper will be shown in one of the corners here. And the link is in the description. A paper by XYZ, Joe Bloggs, recently published to show that there's a stronger link actually between better outcomes when you combine manual therapy and exercise. So in terms of the beef that has long been held between the two professions, is that there from a chiro's as well, or do you think it's a one-way street? I have to say, jumping in there, when I first met all your chiro friends going to a wedding in Sweden, the first thing they did was throw abuse at me. I'm sure that was very well intended with lots of tongue in cheek, but that was definitely thrown the other way. It is that stigma. Yeah. Somehow it's the same thing, yeah. I guess, yeah, then you go back, you go into yourself a bit more and go, right, well, we stand on it now. That's the difference here, is that from the reason, the inspiration for this podcast was the fact that we've been going out for a few years now, and so actually we've been doing And so seeing and hearing you talk about your work makes me realize that, yeah, you're ahead of physios in a long way. That's obviously speaking about my knowledge, which is not massive. As it stands, there are plenty of smarter physios out there, but learning from the experience and from the experience, I think, is the key. that physios are definitely off the mark when it comes to thinking they know more, especially in kind of first case, initial assessment environments where your kind of knowledge of medical and red flag stuff is actually very sharp. So before the camera dies, we're going to finish this up. We're going to finish this up. We're going to finish this up. We're going to finish this up. We're going to finish this up. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.