Scarlets Fever: A Sparrow, some Thunder and some random crap jokes! And rugby

In this week's Scarlet's Fever podcast, the hosts discuss various topics including rugby, Marmite, and local community games. They also mention upcoming matches and express their hopes for a win in the Under-18s competition. Welcome to Scarlet's Fever, the home of Suspense Central and Westerer is Besterer. Hello and welcome to this week's Scarlet's Fever with me, Lee G, joining me as always is Big M and Cat Boy, the amazing crime fighting duo. Good evening, gentlemen. How are we? Have we recovered from Saturday? Yeah, as I've said these days, there was a time when it was like life was over for a week. I'd be miserable. I wouldn't want to even look at a game of rugby. But now that I'm more into more rugby around the world, I've got teams that I support all over the place. So someone else will win, probably, at some point. So what you're saying is you'll change your hat depending on who's winning? No, no, come on. Wales and Scarlet's first, but I can still be happy for other people. Oh, wrong way round. Scarlet's, then Wales. You've got to save the right order there. I was just asking how your week's gone, boys. Well, my week last week was mainly spent on Twitter and on social media, just banging away. No, that's the wrong term. Replying to people that were... God, I'll cut that bit, Mark. Don't worry about it. I don't know why she's come out. So my week last week was mainly spent replying to idiots on Facebook and Twitter and then not replying to idiots on Facebook and Twitter and then getting grief because I either replied to them or I didn't reply to them. That's the sort of guy who you muted the thread when you were like, this conversation, and then he tagged you. Why aren't you responding to us anymore? Yeah. I go, why do you keep muting the thread? Because there's dickheads like you that keep butting up with stupid comments. There's a very straight thing, yeah? There's like, I don't like Marmite, so when I go to Tesco's and I go shopping, I don't buy Marmite because I know I don't like it. So when I have my crumpets, I either have Nutella or honey. At no point do I go, I wonder. I wonder what Marmite would taste like. I got some honey marmalade at Christmas. It was well nice. Honey marmalade? Yeah, I've still got it. No, so what it was was, long story short, we did this game at my girlfriend's parents' house and at the end of it, you all end up with a gift. And my gift turned out to be a box of mini jars of marmalade. So it was like alcohol marmalade. Now, I don't think it was alcoholic. I don't think there was any, you know, it wasn't anything proof, but there was a champagne one. There was a gin one. There was, I can't remember the other ones. There was a one that was a jam, not marmalade. But the lemon and gin one on a crumpet was delicious. It was absolutely sensational. Well, there's a conversation you didn't think you were going to have tonight, Mark. You know? I mean, I put butter on my crumpet, that's what it is. I'm not even tasting the ginger. But the important thing is, is that you don't put... Who put Marmite on crumpets? No, I was saying that don't put Marmite on crumpets, because I know Marmite likes it. No, you don't. I know you don't, but do other people? I think they do. I'm toasting it on bread. Does it go on crumpets? You can put it on crumpets if you want. People will be complaining because I haven't spoken about Steph Evans's hair and I'm not being enough Piers Morgan with you two. Oh, don't start that again. I need to be more Piers Morgan with you, apparently. Oh, yeah. Let's, um, let's talk rugby, gents. Let's talk. I was enjoying Marmite chat. It'll be Marmite gig before long, though. Calm down. Put that one in your back pocket and keep that for another day. James will be on the, on the, on the, on the messenger to me via WhatsApp. What the hell are you talking about with your Marmite? I love Marmite. You were just having a go at me because I'm an Osprey supporter. Yeah, I know, James. So let's, let's talk community game. Let's talk community update. Mark, this should be a nice quick one here. So what have we got? Yeah, not too much to talk about. You know, silly six nations in the middle of the season. Cutting the proper rugby short, as always. Premiership, we had Thursday night. We had the second repeat of last season's final. Van Derby headed down to Cardiff. And we had... Ooh, we're 7-0 up. Ooh, Lee, we're 7-0 up. I love that. Let me guess. Let me call the main boys first. So we had a senior star left in Ed Scragg and Jack Davis starting. Jack Davis picked up a try, good for him. And then on the bench, we had Josh Morse, who made his debut for Van Derby, first start since he was with the under-20s in the Junior World Cup last summer. And Luca Giannini, both boys just getting game time. They're both with the under-20s, so good for them. It started as though it was going to be a good game. It was going to be an all-or-nothing tussle, like you just said. They went up 7-0. Cardiff held a 19-7 lead at one point early in the first half. But something just clicked with the drovers. And it was 26-19 by our time to the drovers. And another four tries later, and it was 54-26 to the drovers. I mean, that's a hell of a win. Eight tries over Cardiff. And Cardiff are pushing hard for that final playoff spot, more or less. I don't think they're—they have got some competition, but I don't think they're going to be beaten out for that. So, I think this was Van Derby's reward to the team in fourth place for the playoffs, away from home. I mean, can you really bet against them doing anything other than winning again this year? Well, what Hugh was referring to there was, I was on the—so, we did the wrap pod on Thursday night while they were playing. And Harley sent me a screenshot. No, he sent it to you on the pod. He sent it to me on the pod. He sent me a screenshot of it as well. I said, oh, look, 7-0 up, 7-0 up. Then we got to the end of the pod, and I checked the score. And I corrected his tweet for him. So, yeah, it was fun for a very short period of time. Harley, well done. So, who else did we have, Matt? Well, Van Derby are back in action again this week. They're travelling away to Swansea. Won a top pick-off. The only game in the premiership. We had no games in Championship West, but we have got a goal won this weekend. Slanger Hennick are playing post-Newcastle Evelin. That'll be a nice, a nice pricey one to go and watch. Inter won West. Kid Welly beat Pencloud, 30 points to 17 at home. Wigland just lost out 17-8 to Humber-Arbroeshire. Two games this week. We've got Thursday night. Sexy Wanderer travelling to Pencloud. And on Friday night, Hendy are playing host to One Island. And nothing in one West Central for us. It's only Bryn Arbyn for us. And they're not playing again for the 17. We go into two West now. And massive congratulations to Arbyn United. 12-3 winners against the Arbyn Athletics. First winner of the season. They've waited a long, long time for this game. Well done, boys. And they don't get a week off. They're straight back in action. This Saturday, Arbyn United at home to Mumbold. And Hendy are travelling away to Leicester. Now, I know we'll all be occupied, well, preoccupied, I should say, with Wales-England. But this is one you're going to want to just keep checking on the board. See how Hendy are doing against Lochrath. This is a tight-fought fight. And these two are, well, I think these two have probably got them close at max points available. So this could be the decider. So we've got to see then. But, and no one likes Lochrath. You know, let's just remind everybody, in case they've forgotten, that no one likes Lochrath. No one likes Lochrath. I think we've told them enough now, haven't we? No, no. You can never tell people enough. Okay, I'll make sure to remind everyone I meet as I pass on the street. Oh, wait, that's true. No one likes Lochrath, that's true. No one likes Lochrath. I love Big M. No one likes Lochrath. Yeah. Okay, 3-2 SA now. Just the one game. Lon, on his Championship Cup stage, trying to bring back all these games. 26-22 at home to St David's. Not exactly how I expected from Lon. I would have thought a bit of a bigger gap that I thought well up for St David's. Pulling that one out. And they are back in action and on the road this week. Away to Haliford West on Saturday. No other games in 3 West A. It's nothing in 3 West B till the 17th. One game this week in 5 West Central. We had Pen-y-Ban, Horse and Concert. And they went down to 29-7. And that is it for our community update this week. It's a really sad, really short one this week. But with a massive, massive winter start and a planned outbreak. And I've got the first victory of the season for Armony out there. So that's not too bad. I'll take that. It's a short one, so. Cool, okay. So let's come out our community and talk about Under-18s. It's the only Scarlet in... Well, we've kind of got the Exeter game to preview. But let's talk about the competitive game first of all. Let's talk about Under-18s. Wednesday night it's been moved to the null. Thank you. I'm hoping it'll be on... I can't see any reason why it won't be on there. Yeah, I think it's already pre-planned to be on SFRX. And the kick-off's been moved to half-seven. That generally means it's going on on the live stream. Because normally it's a quarter of half-seven. But that is a massive game. That is winners take all. That's 30 seconds. Obviously we're going to win. Because, you know... At the same time, it's been pre-planned. We're not going to lie. We know where it has been. But our attacks can't pull back on anyone else's right now. I can't see... No, you can't say that. What? You can't say anything mean about kids. I'm not saying anything mean about the kids. I'm saying... No, no, no. Trust me, Matt. You can't... You can't be... You have to be humble. You have to be respectful. Oh, come on, sir. They're going to give us a game, but we're going to win. Is that enough for you? That's how a friend in you works. So, genuinely, what do you make of the game on Wednesday? Yeah, I'm hopeful of a win. Obviously both sides undefeated so far. I haven't been tracking the opposition's results. I know that they've been winning. And I know that they've occasionally been on top of the league. But only in between us playing. Our points difference is better. That means we must be better. So, we're going to win. Yeah, we played all the same teams and we're on top. So, how... I'm just going to have a quick look while you two talk. How many team sparrows have they got? There is only one sparrow, mate. Well, don't say that. He's an Almond Valley boy. If you know what happens with Almond Valley boys, I don't care. So, let's be a bit quiet on it for a minute. They're never quite sure where they belong. Under 18s, men. Yeah, okay. So, our points difference isn't on the table. No, it's not. You've got to work it out yourself. Yeah. So, Ospreys be Cardiff 10 points to 7. 44-40 for us. Yeah. They'd be RGC 29-3. Oh, we had a bigger score than Almond Valley, didn't we? Oh, we put 40-odd on them. Yeah. And they beat the Dragons 47-19. We beat them 62-5. 62-5, was it? Christ. 62-7, 7-5. 64-7, we beat the Dragons. And 40-6, we beat RGC. So, yeah, if you look at that, you know, we're probably favourites for that one. And certainly, based on attack, you'd say that we're definitely top of the tree, because, yeah, it's hard to say. I agree, I would think it was a little bit kind of vacant every now and again. You know, we do seem a little slack, particularly that Cardiff game. I don't know what happened in that Cardiff game, but we found a way to win. And that's all that matters in the end. But I will say this about them. I was starting, Luke said, I was starting props. They've been immense. I think it was Tom Phillips and Jack Pritchard, if I'm right. They have been outstanding. Good props names. Yeah, good props names. They've, both of those boys have been outstanding. And, you know, they're not exactly small boys. I know this is under 18s, but, you know, these boys are still quite hefty. Obviously, we're not going to see them, even if they do make it through to the senior game for a good few years, but they are some names to look out for. They're already pretty big boys. So, yeah, fingers crossed for everyone on Wednesday night, hoping for a good game. And there'll be plenty of stuff after to discuss on that. So, the other victory to discuss this week, kind of Scarlets related, but we think of them as part of the family, is Funder. Hands up anybody that watched the game? Didn't think so. It was on at the same time as other stuff. It was, wasn't it? It was really awkward. It's not just that, it's just rugby past isn't exactly the best way to watch rugby. It's so awkward to use. And it, well, I don't know if you'll point out the same problems, but it's actually, it didn't help for me. So, it just made, it couldn't make the message. Why not play on a Sunday? It would have made sense, wouldn't it? Yeah. But, we've started on a negative and we shouldn't have done, because Funder have won their first ever rugby match. Hooray! And not just that, they get a chance to do a double over the same team. So, this was round five, but five before the playoffs. And some very awkward playoffs as Hugh alluded to a few weeks ago, he couldn't get his head around it. So, they split it into top three and bottom three. And we got Gwalior. You need at least, you need an even number of teams. Unless they've got something really crazy planned. It is what it is at this stage. So, there's Gwalior, Brixton and Glasgow in our little section. So, we're heading up to Scotstoun to play Glasgow on the 17th of February. And then we get a week off. Gwalior are playing Glasgow then in the Kings' final week later. And the final week is Faggott Park in Scarlet. So, I think it's March the 2nd to Saturday. And it's Brixton against Gwalior to finish off. So, it started as a Welsh derby and it's going to finish with a Welsh derby. So, I'm happy with that. So, it has the playoff against the other two from the three and then another random derby at the end. No, that's not part of it. That's part of the three. But I thought Lightning were in this one above us. Yeah, we did. They're fourth. Top three, bottom three. We're fourth? Yeah, we're fourth. I thought they were going to do well. Good, oh well. They were. I think they took losses. They lost against Edinburgh which I think shocked them. And Walthamstow, obviously, they're undefeated. Not too sure how the Clovers game went, actually. They lost the Clovers game, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, they must have only beaten us and Glasgow. And that happened to be the first two games. So, we all got a bit hyped up. Okay, well, best of luck to Thunder. When is the first playoff game? 17th, so we've got, we'll talk about it probably next week. Yeah, we might, if Martin pulls his finger out, actually get a guest from Brossanon. It's not me. I've got to tell you, it's the WIU. There's one guy who covers all of Britain, all of Wallia. And I swear to God, it is like pulling teeth. Obviously, I can't name the guy, but I've spoken with one of the players. He said, yes, I'm happy, come on. Here's the name of the media manager. Drop him a message if you thought it. I think I've sent about 10 emails now. And I've got, I've had one back saying, who are you? And that was about it. So, I'm not, I'm really, really hopeful we get it through. But if anything, it's probably going to wait until after this is done and she can do it on her own. Yeah, she's just stuck in the mud, isn't she? Just, oh no. In the 80s, we only had interviews with BBC and ITV. And now we're quite prepared to add Sky to that. Yeah, very good. Excellent. Well done. That's keeping with, we're moving, we're moving with the times. Well done. Right, okay. So, let's move on to big boy stuff. Let's move on to Six Nations. And before we do that, so Hugh, have you got some magic numbers to wet the pallet for us? Yes. Sky, let's see who broke all records for the most listened podcast in the whole of human history. It's Joe Rogan and then us for our interview with John Daniels. Not everybody liked it. But lots of people listened to it and that's all that matters. The people who hate watched it and the people who love watched it, they'll show up for the same on the view counter. So yes, that's my magic number. That's, thank you everybody very much for our big interview with John Daniels. It was a big deal and we're very happy about it. So most listened, 23,557 people listened or watched. Thank you so much. It wasn't that big, but it was our, and within the, our rap family, it was the biggest. But yeah, nobody forced anybody to sit there and listen to it. We said that this is what was going to happen. And if you don't like it, then okay, don't worry. You know, take a pill, sit back, relax, go watch Emmerdale, you know, do something just to relax, let it get out. And just don't have a go at us. Because I spoke about Steph Evans. Anyone who's listened to this podcast over the last two years will know that I have an obsession with Steph Evans and his ridiculous haircut. But the thing is that Steph Evans and his hair question was right at the end. So they listened to the whole thing and then got to that. And then we're like, well, I like it now. You were doing well. And then you asked the stupid question. Yeah, that's the point of it. You've got to have some light-hearted stuff in there. I mean, we do it with the clubs as well, you know, how much is a pint, you know, who's the best dress, blah, blah, blah. You've got to have a bit of light-hearted fun in there. Yeah. And Narbeth, I've got to say, I am going to tie up with Narbeth at some point, but they're training away this weekend. I think they're playing a friendly down in Exeter somewhere this weekend as well. So I will do an interview with Narbeth at some point. This is not a serious week, I think you said, just on the balance. Yeah, I know, I know. It'll be a rainy week tomorrow, though. It'll sort itself out at some point. Narbeth is playing in South West of England. Yeah. It's one to one, isn't it? Yeah. That's what I said, down in Exeter, mate. I didn't hear you, I'm sorry. It's what? It's in one week, isn't it? So, you know. Yeah, I was going to say it'd be... Well, you'll see teams either going out twice, this year or England, and it'll be the same next year. People will go to either Scotland, France or Tunisia, you think, again. So it's a lifelong tradition. I've been to Somerset a few times during this game week, and it's been fun. I was there in 2013 as well. So that was lovely. Somerset tours are just not pleasant. They're just... Oh, be happy, man. No. Yeah, I was there as a kid. I tend to distil memories. You need to listen, that's the problem. We were under 16. We played... So we travelled down on, like, the Friday night, got bollocksed on the Friday night, got bollocksed on the Saturday night. We went to watch Bath play on the Saturday. We got absolutely bollocksed on the Saturday night. We were 16. On proper scrumpy. And then we played this game against England. Whoever we were playing had made, like, some sort of semi-final or final, and they were, like, the dog's bollocks. And somebody knocked the ball on from the first kick-off. And we packed down. The ball left, and there's me and the two second rows just stood there still in formation, going, Aw, I don't feel very well, boys. Just hold it there. This is the two second rows going, everybody else has gone. Everybody else has fucked off. Yeah. Yeah, I'd hit the roof if any of my touring teams did that. But there we go. Yeah, so let's talk about the Scotland game first. Have you got any stats about the Scotland game for you? Have you got any rugby-related stats, or is it all vanity-related? We lost to rugby. So, everyone was moaning about kicking in the first half, and then Sam Costello went off, and Ioan Lloyd came on. And I messaged James, like, well, at least the kicking's going to stop. And it did. Well, it nearly did. I'll come on to that later. So, while Sam Costello was on the pitch, he made 13 tackles. I think even still by the end of the game, he was Wales' third top tackler in the whole match. And he went off on 35 minutes. And he was melting, boys, as well. I don't know if you noticed. He absolutely was sopping them dead. So, he got 13 tackles and six kicks. Ioan Lloyd, when he came on, three tackles and two kicks. Yeah, but how many passes? Have you got a passes? Yes, I do. Costello made eight passes while he was on the pitch. Ioan Lloyd made 17. But worth a lot more on the ball while Ioan Lloyd was on the pitch. Yeah. But the second half was more about possession and speed of ruck ball, you know. It was more about forgetting what Gatland had said at half-time and just play a bit of rugby? Yeah, well, there's this quote that Gatland said, go out and play a bit of rugby. But when we came out at the start of the second half, Thomas Williams did exactly the same thing as Gareth Davies did in the first half. And hoofed the ball straight down Finn Russell's throat. And he went, thank you very much. Here you go, pal. Go run 50 metres and score a try. And, you know, I can't see how that's a change of tactic at half-time. It wasn't a change of tactic at half-time. That two-run Van Der Merwe try, he went over. And then the side from the pitch went, fuck the plan. It's just G-A. You've now got a bunch of, not kits, but, you know, a bunch of players who haven't played 10 years under Gatland. I say that, but Aaron Wainwright was the best player on the pitch and he's Gatsby's Davies. To a certain extent, yeah. But Wainwright wasn't, I can't say he wasn't very Wainwright. Normally, he plays very structured and he wasn't within that structure. I think you could see what was going on around him. He went, oh, yeah, I quite like playing this one. And it worked, you know, to a certain extent. It didn't work by one point, but second half was a shit load better than the first. Playing against 14 men. You always go for the negative. Well, you know, I've just got to be honest and consistent. The number of times we've been on this pod and we've had an inside centre sent off and we've gone, oh, that's the hardest position to cope with. Scotland had their inside centre sent off and we scored two tries. It just fits the rest of the trend, doesn't it? I mean, you can only play what's in front of you. I mean, we had a one-on-two play when all those red cards happened. And you can only play what's in front of you on the field. And they're playing from one minute to about 52 minutes onwards. Those boys play what's in front of them. And they've done the job. They should have had an opportunity to win it. How the hell he didn't pick a high tackle right in front of him? You know, the seats fell 26-27. I don't know how he missed that. But outside of that, there's not too much to complain about. So, for me, what changed was the speed of that ruck and the aggression going into that ruck. And I hate to say it, but Elliot Dee made a massive difference to the general energy in the pack around the pitch ahead of Elias. And, again, Elias has played under Gatland quite a bit. I think he made his debut under Gatland. He would have done. I'm pretty sure all of this team have made their debut under Gatland or Pivac. Yeah, it would be. Well, yeah. Yeah, because who else? What are the other options? That's Jen Gintz from old Gatland there. They're all still around from then. But, um... Oh, no, can you count Rob Cumberley? He's done the 2013-2017, didn't he? No, he didn't. He famously never capped any new players. He played safe. Yes. Anyway. The point being that Elias has played within that structure a lot, and I think some of these older players are just paranoid about stepping outside of the playbook, you know? If you've got a slow ball, then you step back into the pocket and you put the ball in the air, yeah? So we had slow rucks, because people were hitting the rucks who were trying to create fast ball, and it was either one ruck a kick or two rucks a kick, yeah? And Scotland dealt with that a lot better than we did. Having said that, Scotland booted the ball off the park a bucketload more than we did. I think we gave Scotland... Well, no, we gave Scotland... We had 20 lineouts. Yeah. They had four, and one of them came from a 50-22. Yeah. We only put the ball off the park three times. By the way, on their 50-22, I thought the rule was it had to bounce in the 22 and bounce out. No, just bounce in field. It has to bounce in field and then go out. I swear I've seen ones like what Finn Russell did, not given. The referee was pissed. That's how it was. Or maybe they called it, oh, the feet started outside of the 50, inside the half, because they'd seen a bill, you know, start in the half and then end up back on the 22 when he does it, and then they can't break on the other one. So it's just little things like that that you keep going. So, anyway, we only put the ball off the park three times, which, when you think about, you know, how does Gatland play, yeah, he keeps the ball on the park and we run it a lot. So, yeah, I mean, I just think the energy in the second half, I think it was the attitude, yeah, the attitude in the second half improved. And you can't single out individual players, but the second half players that came on made a massive difference. Can I just talk about the people who were going after Costello at the moment? Because, because people are saying, oh, because Costello has shown that he's not up to scratch or whatever. Right. So he was, the game plan that he and Gareth Davies were executing was clearly the one that they'd been told to do. And the evidence of that is that they pulled the exact same move multiple times. And Costello was stood within an inch relative to the same distance behind the ruck. And it was passed back to him. And it was the same exact thing off a line out. Then it was a tip on from Nick Tompkins to James Bozeman. And then it was back to Costello and Hooper in the air. It was clearly rehearsed. And the exact same thing happened multiple times. So that's just Costello playing the game plan he's been told to play. Now, maybe you can, he should have had the awareness to go, this isn't working. So I'm going to do something else. But when you're a brand new 10, he's just broken into the international side. I can, I don't blame him for following the coach's instructions. And by the way, he was playing behind a line out that couldn't catch a cold. So that's what we're judging him on, is it, is executing the coach's game plan and playing behind a forward pack that was getting, was a shambles essentially. And therefore that proves he's not an international 10. Don't make me laugh. No, you've got to point it to him as well. You're in the first half of the game. You're not going to change the game plan in the first half. You're going to say, let's wait until the last time. Let's see how it goes. If he stayed on the pitch, he didn't go off that HAA, he might have made the same decisions as the rest of the team did. It's not like Ewan, it's not like Ewan Lloyd, I know Ewan Lloyd's a Scarlet as well, came on and tore it up because he didn't. He had, like I said, two kicks, he had five carries, 26 metres, but a lot of that was one where he caught it behind the line and ran back to the line. Zero defenders beaten, which is very unlike Ewan. But yeah, it's not, it's not like Ewan Lloyd changed the game. I'm getting very protective of Sam Cossard, who's my favourite. That's what's there. Milky bird. We've learned the cat boy loves Sammy. That's all, that's what we've learned this game. But you've got to protect the young boys. But then we've seen quite a bit where actually Ewan Lloyd is better of fullback for Scarlet than he is for 10. And that kind of threw, you know, I thought Cam Winnick actually played quite well. I thought he had a decent enough game. Yeah, I think he was our top four carrier. He was. That was weird. I think he's, I think he had an okay-ish start. I think some of his kicks weren't good. And I think some of his decision-making went to kick and went to run it back. Needs to work on. But it's the kid's first cap in his first senior pro season. I'm not going to hammer him. No, I thought he played well. Yeah, he's done everything he needed to do. And clearly, he's done it with a broken jaw. But would you put Ewan Lloyd at fullback ahead of Cam Winnick? Because I wouldn't. Well, yeah. And as much as people don't want to acknowledge it, this is partially Gatland's fucking issue, you know. For all the people that complained about, you know, PIVAC didn't select the same people two weeks in a row and all that kind of stuff, people got game time. And Gatland was as far the opposite of that as you can possibly get, where you had a 25-man or a 30-man squad and that was it, regardless. You know, breaking into that squad or getting out of that squad was actually—it was more difficult to get out of that squad than it was to get into it. So, you know, we're in a position now where we've got very few options at 10, where actually we've got quite a few talented boys, you know, the likes of Sheedy, you know, who possibly could have had more game time and what have you, possibly could have been looked after better by a Welsh region and stayed at home. So you've got Kai Evans, who, for the best will in the world, isn't a 10. More of a 10 than Iain Lloyd is. Yeah, well, kicking-wise, yeah, game controller, yeah. You know, and I don't even know who you choose from the Ospreys as their first choice 10 at the Ospreys at the minute. Well, whether William's injured, it's a bit of a roundabout, isn't it? Yeah, Aaron Williams has lost his place. Yeah, you've got Darren Edwards, and then Jack Walsh as well, and those two are sort of swapping every now and then. So it's kind of hard to just see, and you've got, who's next with Cardiff? Is it Harry Wylie who's the next proper 10 with Cardiff? Yeah, so, you know, we're right down to the bottom of the barrel. We've gone from, you know, I've got two players that will be there, well, I've got three players, and we'll pick from one of those three players. All three of them have disappeared at the same time, you know, Anscombe, Patchell and Big Ed. And, you know, just really poor squad management that nobody went, hang about Patch, you know, let's just hold on for a couple of, let's just hold on to this season, and let's get you a contract somewhere where you can play this season, and then at least ask somebody there in the Six Nations. It's just kind of, you don't want those players, you don't want your 10 being that inexperienced. You want them coming on for 7, 8, 9, 10 games to start with, do you know what I mean? I mean, my personal preference, when you bring a new boy into the squad, you're either bringing him in for experience in the training, maybe a couple of minutes, in one or two years, or you give him the shirt and you let him run with it for the whole thing. You know, and with Costarello, he's got to be given the shirt, end of. So, you look at it like it's your own life, like, we've got no backup 10, and Costarello hasn't, well, he is our number one 10, there's no arguing that. Some people might, but there is no one else who can step into that fold and play in a game like Sam can. You're on, he's, he is more of a 15 and a 10. He's a different player. Yeah, a different player then, and with different strengths, and do those strengths necessarily match to international level within a Gatland team? Nothing matches a Gatland team when you talk about running rugby over the spot in a Gat. We've known that for over a decade. What would happen if Big Ed decided to come out of retirement now? He'd be back in, welcome back. He'd be in a golden carpet, innit? Here you go, Daniel. I'd be a captain as well. Yeah, that would be shocking. Okay, so let's, let's talk about where, what things we want to keep, and what things we want to get rid of before the England game. If you had a magic wand, what would you, what would you change for the England game, and what would you, what would you keep and make better? Who's going first? I think Halfway was first. I don't think you can keep anything from that game. You can't keep the first half, because that was terrible, but you can keep the second half, because that's, you can't play like that every week. You can't just go out and chuck it about like you're running around on the, you know, school field every week. If it's successful, why not? It wasn't successful, we lost. Did we win the second half? Yes, we did. I care about the whole game, Lee. If we replicated the second half, if we played two lots of the second half, we'd have won that game. We scored eight tries. I don't know, I don't think either is sustainable. I'd like to keep the attitude from the second half. I would like to keep... Hazarati looked good, to be fair. I mean, we slagged him off a lot, but he was all, he was decent when he came on. Stood in at first receiver a couple of times, that was funny. I'd like to keep second half Aaron Rainwright. I'd like to keep Rio Dyer. I'd like, oh, Patrick Wadsworth, I'd like Josh Adams' knee not to be messed up. I'd like to fix that. That's about it. Difficult, that looked painful. Oh, Teddy Williams, I like Teddy Williams. Yeah. What about you, Mike? Was there anything there that you thought, yeah, this is a good thing? No, I'd be changing the whole front row. I would like players who take head knocks to go off the pitch for the HIA. He had a good game overall, but Domokoski should not have been on that pitch after those first two minutes. That is my ultimate opinion. He did not look good. And the fact that he didn't even take him off for HIA, I think is absolutely shocking. You know, when you're looking at player welfare and everything that goes on. I'd like Gareth Thomas to come back in. As it looks like, I think, you know, I think Cody Neate should have a couple of weeks to make sure he's all right, obviously, more than anything. Eddie Dee brought a lot more energy, but I don't know whether that was, he thought, this is my chance to go for it, as opposed to, I'm a better player than Elias. It was one of those situations where the players come into the bench, it was either win or draw. Like, can't be worse than the guy that you're replacing. So it's just on and just kind of throw it around. It's like nothing to lose kind of thing. So I think in that game, it was easier to come off the bench and start. The way it ended up. I think, Paul, something we've learned, attempted, is that you need a lot more minutes under your belt in a season. That being the Natal round, it did not happen to us. And, you know, Azzurrati. I think the line-out wasn't great. Azzurrati was better. We still need another level up. We don't have that at the minute. So I probably just want to start Azzurrati and probably give Archie Griffin a chance off the bench. Will Mullins is going to come back in. I'd like to keep that with Jenkins in the squad. You've got that position. You're in that position now where you've got a Gatlin favourite in Adam Beard, and then Teddy Williams. I like Teddy Williams. I like the way he plays. I think he's developed massively. I didn't think that much of both of them, if I'm honest. I expected a lot more of him in the quiet areas. Hitting the rucks, you know, defensively and attacking. I think he could have... I think Alex Mann had a bit more of an impact when he came on. If you go into the match, then... I want to see Robert... Would you have started Alex Mann, then? No. I want to see Wainwright at six, Ravel and Mackenzie Martin at eight. I'd like to see that. No, you can't change Aaron Wainwright for me. It's the only thing that went well. You can't go changing it. I agree that Tommy Ruffell was excellent. Yeah, with Alex Mann. He played how I think a lot of us imagine how we would play on our first Wales Cup. Just the... I'm going to play this like I'm never going to play another rugby match again in my life. So, third place we go. Which is the way it should be. That is the way you should play every single game, whether it's national team or coaching or whatever. I'm giving everything. And this may be my last game. Nobody knows when their last game of rugby is going to be. There are very, very few people who know that's going to be my last game of rugby. And you have to work really, really hard to get to that stage where you know that's going to be your last game of rugby, where you do get to pick and choose it. So, yeah, you know, you look at some of the most talented people in the world that have a stupid injury. Morgan Stoddart is the one that sticks out for me. He should have been an absolutely amazing full-back. He would have kept Liam Williams and Halfpenny out of that side for a long, long time. One nasty injury. It was his international debut. He lasted about 10 minutes. Went over on his ankle, gone. And that was his career ended. And he was one of the most talented all-round full-backs that I've seen for a long, long time. I love Marks. I loved him at Florkie. I loved him at Pontypridd. Loved him at the Scarlet. He was outstanding. And, I mean, he worked his arse off to come back and play that one game against the Dragons, got the score sheet, and then that was it. You know, he knew he couldn't play anymore. And it was important to say, I've seen him a few times, but when he had the full leg cast and it was just, it was hard. You know, you try to keep appearances when you're injured, but when you think no one's looking and you can just see it on your face, it just doesn't look good. If we go back to the backs, I don't know if Brad Costello is going to be fit for this week. You know, another HIA. I mean, I'm assuming he wouldn't even be available for some game time with the Scarlets on the 7th, I think it's the 17th. So, he's probably looking at round three now. So, we're looking at Lloyd starting, and as bang average or poor as you might say a player might be, he's got to start with Gareth Davies for that connection that he's got at the club. He needs that more than anything. The only thing I'd change in the back line, if Adams is fit, I'd probably put Brady on there. And I want to see Roberts in the Welsh Crisis. And that's all I want to see. I don't care how good anyone plays at 30. I want to see Roberts give them a run. Well, Watkin didn't do anything in this game. He had four carries for eight metres, one pass, and that was it. Now, there's no stats for defensive positioning. I will acknowledge that. Scotland didn't make a ton of line breaks. And he made, I think he made most of his tackles. That's not a perfect stat either, especially not for a 13. But yeah, Watkin did not set the world alight. I think the only reason that he got the nod over Roberts is A, his ability to cover 12, if worse comes to worse. Because at the moment, it's Tompkins or nothing for Wales. And Tompkins is getting ragdolled every week. That guy is made of rubber because the amount of... It's like someone... You know when you watch a Marvel film and Hulk is there and Hulk is just... And just everyone's like that with Tompkins. And he gets up and goes... He actually distributed more than he carries in this game. He had six carries, 21 passes, and three offloads. Where did they go then? Because they didn't go to Watkin. They did not go to Watkin. I'm going to drop a stats thing tomorrow where if you compare Watkin's stats to other centres in the URC, he's not a standout player, unfortunately, at the moment. So I think probably if George knows his bit, I think he'll be back in. I think the reason that they didn't go for Joe Roberts is because they didn't want to do a new centre partnership. They didn't want to go Costello, Tompkins, Roberts. They just didn't want to go there and take that risk. That's the point I'm saying. So, but even in the mad PIVAC era, PIVAC managed to pick Tompkins and Watkin the correct way around three times. So I think that's what got it. I think that's as simple as it was. Well, yeah, okay. Let's not dwell too much on... So, Joe Roberts at 13. If you put Joe Roberts at 13, right, and you put Tompkins inside him, who do you go to? And then you're annoyed inside that. One, it looks like an under-18s line-up until you get to Grady playing the Hulk on the wing. So who do you, you know, who do you go to 10-metre man? Because there isn't one. Yeah, Tompkins takes a battering, but he doesn't make massive amounts of yards. He takes the ball into contact, and he ties up the defenders, and then the ball comes back. But you're going to have offset plays. You're going to have to bring Grady off his wing. Or you bring a flanker in. I know, but who are the flankers doing it? You're going to have to be Wainwright. You're going to have to have Wainwright to do that. Wainwright would love... If he plays like that in his second half, he'd love that position as a second receiver, back up. You might see Basham brought back in, because Basham could do that. But then I don't think he'd put Basham at six. Genuinely don't. I think that the side will remain largely as it was against Scotland. The starting 15. Only injury changes. Yeah, there'll be Costolo. I think Josh Adams will probably be not fit. One way or another, Josh Adams will be not fit. And that will be the excuse for him not to play this weekend. I think Rio Dier and Mason Grady is an incredible wing pairing to do that. It's what you want, though. You want your skinny, lightning fast guy and your big guy on the other side. It's a good combination. We used to have a move where I used to move both of my wings to full back, so they'd stand either side of the full back and then all three of them would hit in between the centres. It would just come up and all three of them would fly up and hit in between inside and outside centre. And ball one was inside centre, ball two was full back, ball three was outside centre. Ball one was one wing, ball two was the full back in the middle and ball three was the winger on the other side. Of course, it's chaos. And if you drop a ball, you're completely fucked. You've got no defence at all. But the amount of times that the ball for the full back in the middle just cut people open was unworthy. It's risky. If you've got two proper speedsters and you've got Roberts who has got top end pace in there as well, I think you can do stuff like that because you do have a scramble defence with the pace to cover. We would look weird on the pitch if we had... If our line-up was Jo and Lloyd, for people on audio listening, I'm doing this with my hand. If you had Jo and Lloyd, Tompkins, Joe Roberts and then Grady on the wing, the speedsters stood in the wrong order. Yeah, it does count. It is a very small back line. And that's, you know, my thoughts on George North's defence. It's not exactly half decent. It's just not. And I don't care. You can shout at me and scream and tell me, oh yeah, he's lovely going forward. There's no problem with him going forward. Half the time, it's going backwards. And he's not even going backwards. That's the issue. We just stand in space and watch his people run past him. But I fear he will be back on the pitch. I mean, we're talking about trucking it up. We have seen Roberts do a fair bit of that as well. I mean, even last season as well, we saw him share the receiver role from kick-off when Calum McBoney wasn't there. So he does truck the ball up a fair bit. He might look a small boy, but he's quite wild. He can't punch up if you need to. He's not going to need, like you said, your 10 metre, 5 metre every single time over the game, but he will do it and he will work his arse off. So here's an idea that I floated last week. Almost as a joke, but actually, I think it would work. And when people think about it, they go, yeah, actually, that would work. Is George North at 12? He's never played 12 in his career. Well, he's shit at 13. I imagine that has stopped him. Is his insight stronger then? Because, obviously, Sam can tackle. We know Sam can tackle. We've seen his stats and we've watched him play for well over a year. We know what that boy can tackle. Ioan Lloyd is a different type of defensive player. And if you put North at 12, that 10-12 channel is going to get rammed and it is going to get exposed time and time again. I don't think there's any possibility of it happening. Well, Tom Shankly wants fucking Ioan Lloyd on the wing, boys. So, do you know what I mean? Oh, he must have seen a random clip from his Bristol days where he had number 14 on his band or something. I was like, oh, he's a great winger. They put him there. I, I... He dropped 3-0 Dyer. Yeah, exactly. I think that if we're going to beat England, yeah, so looking to how we beat England, we have to confuse them. We have to do things that they're not ready for. We have to take quick-tap penalties. We have to look to switch-kick across midfield. You know, we have to, little grubber kicks, little dinks over the top, you know, fancy moves off a scrum and all of this kind of stuff because they're well set up when they're rigid, but when you start to break that down and you go, you know, let's be a little bit crazy, they just fall to pieces. And I think that's the way to beat them. Well, that's how they ended up with against Italy. They slowed the game down massively and they just kicked it off the park essentially. I think given the ball, I actually, I think, ironically, the first half game plan probably works better against England because England don't want the ball. So if you say, have the ball, lads, they go, uh, we haven't practiced this. And I think it probably works quite well against them. I think that's why Gatland has had reasonably good success against England. But then when you've got two sides that go, I don't want the ball, here, you have it. No, I don't want the ball. No, it's not going to be a good thing. You know, it... Well, you never know because she can't win it. She's always a tactic player. We've got Grady and Diane on the wings as well. I mean, imagine the possibilities. That will see Johan Lloyd likely to be a 10. We've got both four that are going to be covering the backfield. It's probably going to be a lot of kicks getting in. But one of them locks up and brings a gap. But it's going to be sort of fun to watch when they actually hit the ball up in hand. So, yeah, when they're doing their research on Mason Grady and they're going, he's like Duane Van Der Merwe, but bigger and faster. Jesus. So, yeah, um, so Gatland has made a point multiple times in the press now of saying he thinks England are shit. Yeah. Every time he gets asked about England, he goes, we're not scared of them. Yeah, they're overrated. So, who do you put at nine? Who do you start at nine? Who do you bring on? Gareth Davies has got to start if he's Johan Lloyd. He needs that confidence, that team combination. And I don't even think Thomas Williams was that good at the start of the second half. I think it's not until the game broke up. Well, he was playing nine and ten. That was Thomas Williams's wet dream of a game. That was like how most Cardiff games go, because he's got like a ten who doesn't want to. OK, fine. And then he just was picking up. By the way, people said like, oh, Thomas Williams kicked away less than Gareth Davies. No, he didn't. Thomas Williams kicked the ball nine times. Gareth Davies kicked it six times. So there you go. But yeah, so we went through this with PIVAC for about two years. The nine that came off the bench, everyone said he's got to start next week. And then they did swap them around. And then next week, they said, oh, no, they've got to go back and play it. So Thomas Williams always looks great off the bench. On RAP last week, he said Thomas Williams is always better off the bench. He was good off the bench. So keep him on the bench. Keep him on the bench. I wouldn't mind seeing Hardy if we're keeping his idea in plan, because his dropkick is better. And perhaps it is better than Crowdore and Thomas. You know, when he does actually put his finger out, and generally for Wales he does, it's kicking his shit hot. And, you know, that's probably something that we'll be really, really putting into Gareth's practice this week. And that's what I think we need to do. We need to almost ignore what happened last week and pick a side that's going to beat England. Not worry about what happened in Scotland. We've seen, you know, we've got a few clues there about who can play an expansive game, who's got a bit of an ounce about them. But you're going to play England and you're not going to have the opportunities. You're not. It's going to be a much more controlled game unless we break it up. Unless we go, this is how we're going to play this game. Do you know what I mean? It's not going to, they're not going to. Scotland quite like throwing the ball around and let's do some crazy stuff because they've got Finn Russell. England have just got misery torn throughout the side. Just a whole bunch of miserable players throughout the side. So what have England got? Who's England's best player at the moment? What's the chap that's injured? Marcus, what's his face? Smith. Marcus Smith. Faster boy. Yeah, him. I can't even remember his name. He's injured. Who else is good? Oh, a winger, a new winger. Freeman. Yeah, he was his son. He literally plays for Northampton Saints, which in my mind means that he is an absolute, like just taking up space, like what is a Northampton Saint? I mean that comes from where he lives now. I think he's going somewhere. No, it's not that. They just do nothing. Why are they here? So, but who's that new guy that got a 12? Dingwall? Did he do anything? Oh, Henry Slade. Henry Slade is England's best player. You think? Yeah, I think so. I think he's a class act. Well, that's what I'd say to him if he is. They told you he was good against Sicily. So, let's make a couple of, let's make some predictions and then wrap it all up. So, first of all, prediction for Scarlett's under-18s against Ospreys. Let's get some score predictions out of you two. So, Huw? No, I want Martin to go first. No, come on, I've always won. Your turn. I tell you what, I'll go first. I'll sort the pair of you, OK? I'll go first. So, I'm going to go Scarlett's third. So, Scarlett's 30 and Ospreys 18. Oh, that's lower than I thought. I'm going for a rather high scoring game. Scarlett's 54, Ospreys 33. I'm going to Scarlett's 25, Ospreys 12. OK, yeah, OK, I see that. Right, so Wales and England, or England and Wales to do it properly. Martin? Yeah, I don't think we're going to see much free flow in rugby unless, you know, the game breaks up. You know, it's not going to be from such a glance, I know that much. Let's go, it's going to be more pecking, probably two tries. 23-19 Wales. 23-19. OK, Hugh? I don't think either side is scoring more than 20 points. 19-17 to Wales. 19-17, OK. I'm going to go for an absolutely turgid affair, and Wales will once again come victorious 10-9. Wales by one. You should have won by one, because you lost on the 10. No, I mean, do you remember the 10-9 game where, yeah, Iain Evans scored right in front of me? When he touched that ball down and he stood up, he was looking right at me, like that, right in front. If you look at it from the far end, he scores right in front of a British Gas board. I'm right behind the British Gas board with my big brown leather jacket on. Are you taller than the board at this point? Because, you know, we are talking a long time ago. What is it with you lot, Iain? They did this on the wrap, right? Someone spoke about Barry John, and they were like, oh, are you old enough to see Barry John? Fuck off! Bastards. This has been my thing. I've been doing this for almost two years now. Come on. I know! You're older, just because you were there. I mean, great. You played with Barry John's grandfather, didn't you? I give up. My dad played against Barry John in training, but yeah, it was weird. It was different back then. A lot of the bigger sides used to come down to West Wales for a weekend of rest and recovery, and they'd go on the piss in Tenby. My dad reckons he saw Phil Bennett playing in Gateshead, but we can't figure out why he would be there. Did he go to London? No, I wouldn't be London. Wales is too far, isn't it? It's in the north-east, Mark. What am I thinking of? I don't know. But Gateshead is near Newcastle. Yeah. I don't think it's something else. I've got the stuff in my head now. He thinks it might have been a Barbarians game, but we can't think who it would have been against. Yeah, it wouldn't have been Newcastle. No. Sale? No. No, it's the other way. Yeah, it's the other way, isn't it? No. I met Phil Bennett once. All right. So, I used to go to the gym lunchtime every day in school. Even when we had a game after school, I'd still go to the gym at lunchtime. And our sports centre had some squash courts. And I was coming out of the gym one day, and this little diddy fellow walked past me, and I looked at him and went, that's, I'm sure that's Phil Bennett. And he walked into one of the squash courts. And I was on my way out, and I said to the receptionist, I said, was that Phil Bennett? It's Phil Bennett. Just gone to play squash in Pembroke. And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, he comes down a lot. He comes down a lot. He plays with Phil, who's the sports manager. They're good friends. Good friends. Been good friends. He comes down at least once a week to play squash with Phil. And Phil Bennett, one of the greatest rugby players on the planet, has been coming to Pembroke to play squash with a guy that I used to play rugby with. And he's here, and nobody's told me, and I didn't get an autograph or anything. What the fuck's going on? It was really weird. I was like hanging around outside the squash courts, just in case I could see him before I went back to lessons. It was really bizarre. Anyway, we've gone off on a tangent again. Who's predicting scores for England and Wales? We all have. We've all done it. Oh, yeah, we have, haven't we? Yeah, I said 10, now. OK, right, there we go. That must be the end, then. I think that's the end. I've got another one. I've got one more Scarlett Steven Pollard. We don't really talk about the Scarlett team. We've done well. Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, exit it. Well, it's the 17th, isn't it? Oh, OK, let's get it, then. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, it's the 17th, isn't it? It's the 17th. Yeah, it's the 17th. Yeah, February 10th. So we've got no idea who's going to play in this game. No, everyone was available. It's going to be like a 35, well. Charlie Thicke and Matthew Glass incoming. Yes. Should have been paying for the quiz the last couple of weeks. I don't know why he wasn't allowed to play last week of January. We didn't know. I'm wrapped in a cotton wool. Yeah. Could have had a fourth win for the Quins. I've been trying to predict the Quins' wins throughout the season. I've been working out, OK, when's Scarlett going to give them back? You know, it's going to be the 23rd or 30th of March, I'm not too sure. So, yeah, there aren't actually that many players that aren't injured or tied up somewhere else. OK, let's try and guess the team, then. Go on, then. Props. Sam Conn... Sam O'Connor? Stefan Thomas and Wynne Jones report to be available. Oh, I keep forgetting about Wynne Jones. I've actually made a team app already, so I'm well-prepared for this. Oh, come on, then. Well, it'll be Sean Evans or Edwin... What's his name? Swart. Yeah. Harry O'Connor? Or... Sam... Sam Wainwright. That's him. OK, so we've got all our first choice titles. That's a relief. Um... Sam Lousey? If he's fit. Alex Craig, who I'm outraged wasn't picked for Scotland. Yeah, we did. Why? You get to keep him, he's fine. I think we've got all of our... Respectful. I think all... I don't think we've got a second row with anyone, so that's... Morgan Jones. We've got all our second rows, haven't we? Jack Price, as well. Imagine BFA FISA played in this. Well, so back row has got to be, uh, the animal, uh, on the blind side. Ben. Yeah, um... Have we talked about the TikTok thing with him on the pod? No, I don't think so. No, because we had the... TikTok. TikTok. ...Daniel's last week. It was too much. So we put, we put, uh, a clip of Ben Williams' hits against Edinburgh on TikTok, so we put a clip of Ben Williams' hits against Edinburgh on TikTok. So we put it on YouTube and Twitter, so a lot of people have seen it. And we put it on TikTok, and TikTok took it down for being violent and graphic content. And I tagged Ben Williams in it and said, you want to frame this, mate? And put it on the wall, and he liked that. He liked the tweet. So... It is weird. It's just a rugby tackle. It was a really good rugby tackle. They put a little disclaimer, because for a while it kept, it just kept it up. Yeah. But with a disclaimer, and the disclaimer said, this is being done by trained professionals, do not try to copy us. Yeah. I thought that was better. I thought that was a better way of doing it. Um, okay, so... He copped really good in that video, didn't he? He did, yeah. Yeah. So Animal at six. Uh, who have we got at seven? Dan Davies. Dan Davies might be, we don't know his condition, but I reckon Leatherbarrow. Yeah, Leatherbarrow at seven. Eight. Let's assume that we're going to wrap Fofita in cotton wool, and not play him in a friendly against Exeter. So, who are you going to put at eight? Hopefully, Carrawayn would be great. Really? I thought he was out for like, all of the season. No, the only ones who we've got out for the season, I think is... Penn and McLeod. I think they're the only ones who are season-long. No. They're both number eight options as well. They are, probably. Oh, we could play Ben Williams at eight, and play someone else at six. Nah, I think... Who have we got at... We've only got to do one Shenton, then, really, I think. Ben Williams started the first game of the season at eight, so it is must. No, I'd keep him at six. I would keep him there, because... Once you get into the rhythm of playing six, you really start to hit your rhythm. And the way you look through the scrum, the way you bind on a scrum, where you hit the scrum half off a line out, all of that kind of stuff. It just kind of... When it starts to work, it really starts to work. And if he can dominate being six, that's what we need. There are plenty six and eights. There are plenty six and fives, six four-and-a-halfs, and all that kind of stuff. Six and seven. We need an out-and-out six. And he's... Down that one? Well... Will be an eight. Nah. I can't hear you. He's got six. He's got six in the library. No, eight. Anyway, scrum out. Archie. Archie? How fast is Archie and Charlie? Could be three to what, that would be. Can you come up with a name for that? The half-back? Archie? No. Well, it's Archie and Costolo. They're the Milky Bar kids. So that's definitely those two. In my head, Archie Hughes and Charlie Tickham are best friends, even though they probably only met each other in September. But in my head, they're best friends. I don't want anyone to ruin that. So please don't. They're best friends. There we go. I think once... If you can start getting them to work together against people like Exeter, then the future stuff becomes... You know, you start... Yeah, so that's the takeaway for this week, then. We need to think of a name for Archie and Charlie as a combination. Okay. Twelve? Charchie. Eddie. Eddie Fitney. Is Eddie Fitney? Okay. We don't know the status of any of our players. That's where we are. Well, we had a promise last week that communication would improve. And, you know, things are going to change. I can feel it. So that's... It might be Foxy, then. Yeah, if it's not Eddie, we're genuinely down to Foxy or... Scott. It might be Foxy and Scott. I think Eoghan's going to be given an odd of 13. Who? Do you think? Eoghan Ifas. Eoghan Ifas. That's disgraceful. Sorry, sorry. I thought Eoghan's with Wales. Yeah, he's on Welsh duty. What do you want of us? Sorry. So, uh, Wings, then? We've got a lot of Wings, haven't we? Yeah. See, now that is a combination on Wings that I would like to see. I think that's a genuine, balanced combination. And sending both of those two down the centre channel together, that gives me, you know, time to change the plans for us, because that's exciting stuff. Fullback? Hoping the G-Mac is back. And if he's not? Then Tommy Lewis has to switch to fullback and we bring in Seb Evans or Callum Williams for the win. Blimey. Yeah, we are getting down to it, aren't we? Okay. We're not making a big fuss about it, unlike other people. No, we're not saying, oh, we've only got 12 players, we can't do this. But to be fair, I think we've done that a couple of seasons ago, you know, when we had like a 25, 30 man injury list. Yeah, but now we've grown up. Well, no, it's part of where we are now. We've got to find ways to go forward with what we've got. You know, as much as we want to stand on a street corner and go, I don't want to start walking from here. When you're standing on a street corner, when you want to get somewhere, you have to start walking. So, you know, as a team, we've got to start walking together. So let's just take that as Lee's philosophy. We haven't even named a bench yet. Use me on the bench for the back. Well, let's not even go for a fucking back line on the bench, because let's go with an eight man bench, forwards only bench. Every single player that's available, other than probably Petita and Lowes here, possibly even Craig, are going to be down there for this. Yeah. So we might have a 23 man squad, might. Yeah, but you'd be allowed a 25 man, because it's friendly. Yeah, but we've got enough players. Exactly, yeah. So who will Exeter got that next? They were missing. They'll have all their Welsh boys. Apart from, they were both obviously. So who are they Welsh boys? And Daff Jenkins, obviously. So they'll have Joe Hawkins. Exeter have got a really forgettable team. They just happen to be very good. Not even, they're not, really. They don't have many internationals, but they've got massive, big European side standard players that are just outside of the England national team, which is perfect for Exeter. Yeah, that's just what you need. No, I've googled this one, it's no good. This could be a fake Exeter side, I wouldn't know the difference. No, go on then, pick a team. Will Beckinsale. Oscar Bekelegg. That sounds good. Richard Catstick. I've heard that. Toby Clinch. Anyway. Are you going? I didn't know you. Oh, cool. I got one thing left. Oh my God, one's actually called Ian Gentry. Gentry as in landed. Okay, so we're just going to assume that Exeter have got a whole lot of people with funny names that we've never heard of. We've got Tick Cump. Louie Gully. He's going through the whole sodding squad, Mark. I'm only picking out the funny ones. Will Hayden at Wood. Will do what? Will Hayden Wood. Sounds like a nice chap. Will Hayden Wood. Jack Innard. Jack Innard is a real one. No, I thought I saw, no, I found some things with a funny name capsule as well. This one's got his name the wrong way around. Kane James. Should be James Kane, I think I'd find. They've got a lot of Welsh in there. Ewan Jenkins. I'm bored now, so. Right, okay, right. So I said last week, when I finished last week, I did my joke of the week and I had it from a joke book, right? So this week, so I said that I had dad's jokes cards as well, right? So completely random. I've not even started these. So I'm going to do that and you're going to say Scott, right? And then I'm going to read the joke. Before, can we compare this? So let's see what is funnier. Lee's joke or the name Patrick Shinkerling. I'm not going to say this is my joke. This is my joke that I'm reading off a card, right? So who's Lee's joke? Right, go on, you call it, ready? That was shit, Martin. That was absolutely fucking awful. Right, you can't trust it. Nobody stopped. Right, okay, so I'm going to do that one then. Right, did you hear about the man who misspelled the name on a headstone? He'd made a grave mistake. Oh, very good. We'll do one more, ready? I've got that one. I've got that one on it. All right, Martin, you get to pick on this one. Don't be a knob. What do you call a fish wearing a bow tie? Sophisticated. Right, on that. Zach Wimbush. All right, it's time to go. It's time to go. 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