Q&A with new CEO Lance Bradley

The podcast features an interview with Lance Bradley, the new CEO of Ospreys. He discusses his background in the automotive industry and his experience turning around Gloucester Rugby. He talks about the challenges of running a Welsh region and the importance of success on the pitch. He also mentions the financial challenges facing Ospreys and his plans to address them. Bradley expresses confidence in the WRU and discusses the importance of a strong team culture. He mentions the success of the Brewery Field game and hints at the possibility of using alternate venues for future games. The interview concludes with Bradley discussing the upcoming announcement of the venue for the Sale games. Hello and welcome back to the Ospreys Irie podcast, the very special podcast this week actually. We are, well let's get right into it, we've been hyping it up for the last week now. We are joined this week by brand new Ospreys CEO Lance Bradley, welcome Lance, how are we? Thank you very much. Hello guys, hello everybody. And as usual I'm joined by the regular crew, the man who seems to be covering every sport at the minute, Yestin, and Robbie the video wizard, how are we boys? Yeah, I'm all good and I'm sure Robbie's been probably more busier than me in terms of finding content. But yeah. Oh, I don't know about that. You've been covering football. Yeah, I've been covering women's football this afternoon, seeing the university win the league in quite spectacular fashion, so that was quite interesting. But I'm still here and that's a good thing. I've been mixing my drinks just on the rugby. So Lance, you've been busy today as well, where have you been? Yeah, I have. This morning I went down to our Ospreys in the Community team, who I have to say do an absolutely super job for us. We're hosting a girls rugby camp and there were 280 girls at this camp, which was just fantastic to see, all kind of so excited about being involved in a camp with the Ospreys. And actually it gives me great hope that there's a really good future for rugby in this area when you see so many youngsters enjoying it like that. And then they formed the kind of welcome party and the parade party for the Swansea University girls' match this afternoon, which they won as well, so yeah, it was a brilliant day. That's brilliant. I have a feeling that's going to lead into a certain question later on, that someone here wants to ask. So before we head into sort of the questioning, I think a great summary that I saw on Twitter was from the guys at TIFF Creative, based in Bridgend, who wrote in to say, you know, it's great to see such interaction and transparency with those clubs already. It might not please all of them all the time, and by God, we know it doesn't please all of them all the time, but all you can be is honest and outline what priorities are and act on it. It's exciting times for Ospreys fans and the Ospreyan community. So I think I speak for everyone when we say, you know, your honesty and integrity from the beginning has been a breath of fresh air in not just Ospreys, but Welsh rugby in general. Yeah, so it's something I believe passionately in. Brilliant. Yes, then. Take us away. Yeah. So the first question comes from Twitter, from Rodri underscore Anke, obviously a follower of the pod, and he asks, what are the notable differences between running an English club and a Welsh region? Obviously, you haven't been here very long, but is there maybe a difference compared to your time at Gloucester compared to now with the Ospreys? There's a difference because there's different challenges here than there was at Gloucester, but a lot of the challenges are very similar. When I went to Gloucester, it was losing a lot of money, and you'll have seen recently some of the English clubs have posted their accounts from last season, and some of them are still losing a lot of money. But my background, for the people who don't know, is I was 30 years in the automotive industry before I came into Gloucester five and a bit years ago, and that's an industry that has lots of turnover, but very low margins, which means that you've got to look at absolutely every expense and every revenue opportunity, otherwise you dip into loss, and that's obviously no good. So that was a really useful background to go and run Gloucester Rugby, and I had a good team there, and we were able to turn it around so that we were making a profit, and that's quite unusual in the English premiership, so that was pleasing to be able to do that. We also invested heavily in the women's team, who won the league last year, and we did invest a lot in the men's team as well. The results there haven't been quite as good as we would have liked, but the basis at Gloucester is really strong, and the thing with any organisation, including a sporting organisation, it's really hard to do things that have an immediate and sustainable difference. If you want sustainable success, there's no substitute for hard work, putting all the building blocks in, and working towards that happening, and actually that's the same here. So it's no secret that the club's losing quite a lot of money each year, and there's a number of reasons for that, and I've been brought in to stop that, and I've done it before, and hopefully I can do it again. How aware were you of, before you came in, the kind of madness that is Welsh rugby as a whole? Because I think we've seen some people come in in the past, to positions within the Welsh region, and they've gone, blimey, it's different to elsewhere, the amount going on. How closely do you follow that? How much do you kind of remember what was going on in Wales? I've seen it, and although I was working in English rugby, you do have contact with Welsh rugby, and the other thing that I should mention, first of all, I've been talking about the revenue, actually the most important thing is success on the pitch, so that's the reason that we're all here. It has to be a business, off the pitch, but the only reason that the commercial side is there is to get us success on the pitch, so that's a clear focus. So I was aware of the issues, obviously I did a lot of research about Ospreys before I came over, this wasn't the only job that I was offered, but the set-up with Y11, and what their plans are, and you're aware that they have relationships with other clubs around the world, and that's really interesting, and actually really clever, so it's one of the things that I'm looking forward to explaining a bit more about when I can, and I'm afraid tonight's not the night I can do that, but it's exciting, so I was pretty aware of it. I also think, and I know there's a lot of scepticism around the WRU, and there's been some decisions made in the past that you wonder how they were made, but I met with Abby Tierney, the new CEO there last week, and I feel really confident, she's a breath of fresh air, she understands the problems, she understands that you can't work against the pro clubs, you've got to work with them, and that we're much more powerful if we all work together, because a lot of our objectives are the same, we want Welsh Rugby to be successful, and we want the national team to be successful, but there's a recognition that to do that, you've got to have the pro clubs being successful. So yeah, I was aware of it, but some of it I know that I can do, some of the problems that Osprey's, and it's not a club riddled with problems, but the financial side of it in particular, I've got a pretty good idea of how we can fix that. It's difficult to do it without your governing body supporting what you're trying to do, but I really have complete confidence that the WRU are on board with making the pro teams a success. Yeah, I just want to quickly move on to the team culture side of things. How would you measure the ways of measuring an effective team culture, and was there any particular example of a side maybe, for the past day, you thought of a good team culture that you want to maybe embed into the Ospreys? Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting question. You don't actually see the culture of a club unless you're inside it. So clubs can put statements about, you know, our boys clean the changing rooms themselves, or, you know, everybody does that. But it's only when you're inside the club that you see the culture. The first time I went to Flandarcy, and Toby was showing me around, you know, we went into the players' room, and at the time the players were still out training, but a couple of the players came in and took their shoes off before they came in, and came over and introduced themselves and shook hands. Nobody told them to do that. That's just because it's a tight group, and they have respect for their teammates and other colleagues. So that kind of thing is really telling in what's happening. And you can kind of see it in the games. You know, if you look at our team on paper on Sunday, a lot of youngsters in there, a lot of players who haven't played a lot, and they're all playing a mile above sea level, which pretty much nobody's ever done before, against a very strong South African team. You know, on paper, you would have said that's an easy victory for Lions, and that's what the bookmaker said. The bookmaker said that Lions would win by, I think, 10 points. But luckily, we don't play on paper. We play on grass. And it was the spirit of the team, you know, and skill and coaching and all the rest of it. But that level of togetherness, I thought, really shone through. And it's hard to measure it. You just know it when it's there. Absolutely. This is from Fitz Tony on Twitter, who asks about the, given the success of the Brewery Field game on New Year's Day, will you be considering alternate venues for the last 16 games? I think generally as well, those games being moved around the region, looking at, you know, Bridgend, Neath as well, looking around there. Well, the venue for the sale and time for the sale games is going to be announced tomorrow morning. Brilliant. But I'm afraid you'll have to wait for that. And look, I recognise how good the atmosphere was on New Year's Day. I wasn't able to make the game myself, but I watched it. I watched most of it on BBC. So I could see that, you know, and it wasn't perfect conditions for a fabulous atmosphere, but it didn't make any difference. So, you know, and actually, that's one of the reasons that we want to move to a smaller stadium, is to regenerate that kind of atmosphere. We have a good relationship with Swansea City. I went and spoke to the chairman and COO before saying anything to anybody else, and they were very supportive of what we want to do. They were quite focused on doing the right thing for the area, not just for themselves. So that was very encouraging. But we do have to be mindful that we have a contract with them, and that contract requires us to play games at the swansea.com stadium. So we do have to obviously respect that, and we're working with them to find a new venue. So it's important that we do the right thing, and actually, regardless of what the contract says, that we do the right thing by them. So I understand the attraction, and there may be some games at other venues, especially when there's fixture clashes, obviously, with Swansea City, but most of our games will continue to be at the swansea.com. So I've got a question from atron swanson145 on X, and he's more focused on sort of the play-in budget issue. He says, Are you optimistic that revenues for play-in budgets can increase, and would there be any hope of any of the four clubs signing in more established in-club as world-class players in the future to supplement the young academy squads that we have? Yeah, it's something that we talked about when I had the meeting at the WIU, and there's general recognition that a salary cap of 4.5 is, let's say, challenging. We're in a good place because our academy pathway has been strong for a number of years, so we've got a lot of talented youngsters coming through, and the coaches that they've got working with them are really good coaches. So that actually, I think, puts us in the best position of any of the four pro clubs in Wales. But there is a recognition that if we want to be fully competitive, that that budget will have to increase. When that will happen, I don't know, but that was one of the major topics of discussion with the WIU, and everybody recognised that it needed to happen. That's a brilliant answer. We have a question from G Tomkins. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but just to pick up on that, it's not necessarily to sign in world-class players. Our philosophy will still be to develop local players where we can, and having an increased budget will hopefully mean that we can hang on to them longer, and perhaps for their whole careers. That's the real benefit of it. Our strategy will still be to develop local talent. Our question from G Tomkins on X leads on to that about developing younger players. What are the ambitions on the pitch for the next three to five years for the Ospreys? Yeah, I need to sit down with Toby and go through that, and I've mentioned it to him when we've been talking, but we've not had a lot of time together yet because he's been in South Africa for a couple of weeks, and then there's a couple of weeks' break now. But it's one of the things that we will sit down and agree what we're aiming for. One of the things that I particularly like, the first time I met Toby, he said, look, my rugby philosophy is we do want to win games, but we're in the entertainment business. I think that shows in the way that we're playing. We're the best in the world. You can't win every game. Nobody wins every game, so we need to have an experience for fans that when they come to watch us, even if we don't win, they still have a good day out. I know that we all have a much better day out if we win. That solves everything, but we want it to be a great experience. If you've watched a really entertaining game, and for whatever reason the other side is just better than you, you can still enjoy it. So success is obviously measured in things you win, but it is measured in other things too, like how entertaining the game is. Our game is actually really entertaining at the moment. Somebody said to me on Twitter today, I'd come, but I expect you to win 60% of your games and 80% of your home games. We've won 62% of our games and 86% of our home games. So we are an entertaining side and we are a successful side. I'm surprised that there's a group of people, and I know it's ex, and that's not necessarily representative, who just seem to think that that isn't the case, that we're not playing exciting rugby and that we're not winning when neither of those are true. Just to quickly follow up on that, and this is probably a question you can't answer, what is the situation with Toby's contract? I would never talk about an individual's contract. Obviously. Is that something that's ongoing? As I say, I would never talk about it. That's fair enough. That was a pay and escape question. So just to pick up on the points you're making about fan experience, this is from Sydney Squash on Twitter again. What, in your opinion, are the three most crucial attributes for the new stadium when it comes down the line? In terms of fan experience or in terms of... Yes, primarily for supporters, but also anything else from any angles. Yeah, I think we need to be able to generate a great atmosphere. So that means that it needs to be the right size. And what I would actually like is a stadium of... And we haven't fixed on numbers, but we're kind of thinking around 6,000 because I want it to sell out. At the moment, nobody buys a ticket early because you know you can walk up on the day. And then if it's raining, people don't come. So we need to get away from that. And people always want what you can't have. So if we start to sell out, we'll get more people wanting to come. But when the fans do come, it needs to be a good stadium. It needs to be easy to get in and out of. There needs to be pre- and post-match entertainment of some kind. The food and drink needs to be of a decent quality and at prices that people think are reasonable. And food and drink prices in the stadium are never going to be as cheap as you can get in Wetherspoons. That's not how it works. But you can get the quality up to a level that people find good. For hospitality fans, we need to have good hospitality facilities. We actually do have that at the swansea.com stadium. The quality hospitality is good there. But we need to make sure that we've still got that as well. And if we want to attract children to games, which we do, because they're the next generation of fans, we need to have things that are attractive to children. So we need to have a kids' meal deal that the parents look at and think, actually, yeah, that's fair enough. And we've got the Ospreys mascot that goes around. Anything to engage different groups of people. I could turn that question around to you and say, as fans, what would you expect to see? I think as a fan who's been a season ticket holder for many years now, I'm a big, yes and no, big frequenters of the Riverside. Not necessarily big drinkers, but we enjoy the atmosphere in there. The sports club do great things. Obviously, I don't hang around with something. There's a lot of time for the kids and things like that. A lot has been talked about a fan zone, like a proper fan zone. And that's something that I know David Butcher has talked about with the Cabbage Patch. They've got a Rodney Parade and sort of developing that into a proper fan zone. The Scarletts have got the barn, I think. And then, I mean, Cardiff is one big fan zone. Let's not beat around the bush there. It is just one big pub. So having just an area where everything's localised, everything's centralised, I just think lends more to a better atmosphere. No, I agree. And that's absolutely part of the plan. We want to have a good fan zone. Not to butt you up, but something like what gloss to have. I'm very close to a couple of fans. The entrance for players to come in is through the fan zone, essentially. Stuff like that lends itself a long way to fan interaction. It does. The players are our biggest assets. It's the thing that we all get most excited about. Game day is difficult because, you know, certainly before the match, you can't ask players to do very much because they're preparing for the game. But there's no reason why, if there's injured players, you can't have them in the fan zone having photos taken or whatever. The players don't want to do it. You can't force people to do things they don't want to do. But there'll be players here who love interacting with fans. So why wouldn't we do that? That would be a great thing to do. I believe it's my question. I apologize. So this one's talking about the youth, you know, the region. So obviously, our regional age grade team is doing very well at the minute. We're sitting top of the league. But Catherine on Facebook has asked, other than the college pathway, what is in place to spot potential talent for those players who aren't academic? So those who maybe choose to go down the apprenticeship route and only play for their local clubs? Yeah, that's a question I can't answer at the moment because I don't know. I've got a meeting with the academy guys, Gareth and the others, literally tomorrow morning, where I'm going to be talking to them about, you know, what do we do and how do we do it? So I'm happy to answer that question at a later date. But at the moment, I can't tell you what we do. No, no, absolutely. I believe it is now Justin. Yeah, it's a question from Steve on X. Obviously, you've mentioned the local interaction with supporters and local businesses. And the question really is about the option of taking a home game to London every year. Obviously, there was a big uproar back when it was first announced. So I just want to maybe get your views on that, you know, what your thoughts are on maybe having a game in London every year? Yeah, I mean, it's something that we're still considering. We haven't made a final decision on it. But we are still considering it. The game last year against, I forget which South African team it was. Sharks. Sharks, that's right. You know, a lot of people have said to me, we're not interested in watching South African rugby here, which slightly surprises me that people don't want to watch the world champions, because you'd think they would. But if that's a genuine thing, then if we take a game to London, where there is a big South African base, or perhaps a big Irish base, if we if we had a game against an Irish team, then the likelihood is that we will get a much bigger crowd than we would get here. And that was certainly the case at the Stoop in November, I think it was, before I joined. And prices are much higher in West London than they are here. So from a revenue point of view, it was massively better than playing it at home. But if we get fans filling our stadium here, then that would be a much different decision to make as to whether we wanted to do that. You know, it's partly promoting the URC to a different audience by taking it to London. And it's partly because it's and promoting Ospreys to a different audience. And it's partly a revenue consideration, because we we did make much more money from the game in London than we than we do here. So we are looking at it, I would love to play every game here to a full house. And if we get that, then that's the perfect solution. But if we're not getting that, then we have to look at what other opportunities there are. I just pick up on, I mean, it's kind of a million dollar question. The big one that Dybish on Facebook has asked. On the new ground, he asks, when are we likely to see firm plans or firm suggestions on the new ground on location and other details? Well, what we're, what we're currently doing is feasibility studies for a number of options. And a few people have said to me, yeah, but you've already decided to go, you know, here, here, you know, and it's always somewhere different, depending on where they don't live. No decision has been made, we haven't signed anything, we've had some really good conversations with the appropriate people in a couple of locations, and I've got other meetings next week. As soon as we're able to have something definite, we will tell fans, and I want to keep people informed. As for timescale, it's going to take a little while, you know, I've said that I want to hear from fans, and we're setting up a meeting at the game against Ulster on February the 18th, I think it is. So, because that's important, I want to hear what what people think. At the moment, it seems that everybody from Swansea thinks we should stay in Swansea, everybody from Neath thinks we should go to Neath, thinks we should go to Bridgend. But it's, and I get that. But it would be interesting to hear the views of people who actually come to games as to what they think. We're also going to talk to our business partners about what they think and their views on it. And we're going to take into account the views of people who don't come to games, but might if we did something different. So, to answer you, it's a rather long winded way of saying I don't know yet. But it takes a while, it takes a while to plan it. And we have to make sure that we get it right. We do also need to see some indication from fans that they're willing to support the club, because the current level of support that we're getting isn't enough to justify a new stadium. So, we need to see that, you know, and I've been very lucky, I've had a lot of interaction on X and, you know, in the press and what have you, we do need to see that translate into ticket sales, just to say, yeah, actually, they are engaged and interested in what we're doing. And therefore, it's worth pursuing this. But I would think that it's probably three months before we'll be able to give you a much better indication. So, what you're saying is we won't be merging with Ealing anytime soon? No, we won't. We're not going to be merging with anybody anytime soon. No, absolutely. Sort of on that, announcing the sort of time frame type thing, it's getting to the time where re-signings, especially in the climate that we're in, happening. Cardiff have started to announce theirs. Dragons have started to announce, you know, their re-signings. Are we likely to see any re-signings in the near future? I certainly hope so. Good, that's good. We're just, I think, fans that have a real affinity to this squad. Yeah. More so than maybe the Galactico years in the past, because of just how relatable this squad is. So, you're so keen to make sure that, you know, especially your local boys are sticking around. And that's really important. And it's one of the things we're working on is, you know, the squad has a lot of local boys in it. And we need to make sure that there's the connection from where they are now to where they came from. And we've got a few things planned to emphasise that. I can't give you details of the re-signings at this time, but you won't be disappointed. Brilliant. That's what we like to hear. Speaking of, you mentioned at the start, both, you know, everything you've been up to today and when you were at Gloucester, the role you had in Gloucester Hartbury and building that up and building that to the point at which, you know, as you said, they won the league last year, which was amazing. And in that first interview you gave for the Ospreys YouTube channel when your first announcement came in, you mentioned wanting both little boys and little girls in the future to be, you know, building towards dreaming of playing for the Ospreys. Is a full fledged senior women's team something that you have as a target? Something you have in mind? Something that's in any way in the conversations? Or is it kind of just a pipe dream for one day? No, it's absolutely in our plans. And it was something that when I was talking to the Y11 guys before I joined, there were a couple of things that I needed to understand. One of them was the commitment to move stadium. But the other one was, we need a women's team. And, you know, they're in complete agreement with that. It's essential for us to have a women's team. The only question at the moment is what league would they play in? And how soon can we do it? Because as you know, there are a couple of women's teams in Wales now. So we just need to understand where our team would fit into it. That's really exciting. Yeah, I think so. You know, it's really important, not just because it's the right thing to do. And why would you exclude half the population from playing for your club? But, you know, it's really, if you look at what's happened in particularly English football, women's football, it's exploded. You know, and actually Rugby's doing the same. At Gloucester, we hosted the England v Wales Six Nations game a couple of seasons ago. And it was a world record crowd at that time. You know, and it was I think it was 15 something thousand. You know, the record now two years later is 50 something thousand. That's how quickly it's growing. You know, you ignore it at your peril. And from a financial point of view, you know, the sponsors, when we started doing the proper investment into Gloucester Hartbury, you know, I went to the Gloucester men's team sponsors and said, you'll do the women as well, won't you? And you know, good news is it's only this percent of and everybody said yes, because why would you not? When I was just before I left, we were talking to a very big sponsor, who was saying, we'd like to sponsor your women's team. And if we have to sponsor the men's team as well, we will. That's amazing. You know, so that's the way it's going. You know, and, you know, I don't know if any of you guys watch women's rugby, but it's different to men's rugby, because it's not as much into big hit. So there's actually, you know, and the men are going to kill me for this, but there's kind of more skill in it. It's a bit more like rugby was like 10 years ago or 20 years ago. So there's the balls in play for a lot longer. And it's just a slightly different game. But it's a really entertaining game. It's the biggest area of growth in, you know, rugby right now, but sports in general. Yeah, it's been enormously growing up. It's really exciting. Yeah, I believe it might be one of the final questions. Obviously, someone's coming from a Gallagher Premiership background, and I'm pretty sure you had a couple of debates with people online about the topic, but I just want to get your thoughts on the URC as a league, as a competition. Obviously, what's your thoughts on the inclusion of the South African sides coming in? Just your general thoughts on the URC. Yeah, it's, you know, I'm aware of the feelings of some Welsh fans about it, but it's actually a really good league. And there's, I've been obviously looking at some statistics and reports and stuff since I've been here. And there's one of them that shows what fans think of the league from each of the countries that they're from. Literally every country apart from Wales has a very positive perception of the league. Even England, English fans have a better perception of the league than Welsh fans do, and they're not even in it. So it's, you know, and somebody said to me today, are you blaming us? I'm not blaming Welsh fans, that's not the point at all. But somewhere the message has got lost about what a good league is. And the South African teams coming in, you know, I know that that makes it difficult to go to an away game. I understand that. But the reality is, even in England, most fans don't go to away games. They mostly only go for their home games. So the fact that it's in South Africa means that it's difficult for anybody to go. But even then, it's not all that normal for there to be huge swathes of travelling away fans. And what the South Africans bring is something new. It brings World Cup winners into our stadium. And from a financial point of view, their media value, so the number of people who watch them either on TV or in the stadiums is massive. It's five times as much as the Welsh clubs get. So the South Africans have brought a huge amount into the competition. And it's our challenge to demonstrate to fans in Wales what a good league is. And that's what we have to do. And that probably isn't something that we at Ospreys will be able to do alone. So that's something that I think the WRU and the four regions will need to do together. Because Welsh rugby fans are, you know, and my stepfather was Welsh and a massive rugby fan. So I do know a little bit. We've scored a lot of games together. I do know a bit about Welsh rugby fans. And everybody thinks they're uniquely passionate and all the rest of it. And the Welsh fans might be right in that respect. But in terms of what they like and don't like, they're not really any different from a South African fan or an English fan or a Scottish fan. You know, and when you go to, you know, when Wales go up and play in Edinburgh or whatever, everybody mixes together. Because basically, we're all the same. And we've all got a common love. And we all like rugby to be particularly like this or particularly like that. But it's all quite similar. So it's quite odd that so many Welsh fans don't seem to appreciate the URC. And I don't understand it. But we need to understand it because we've got to. We've got to overcome that. You know, there's everybody talks about everything be solved if there was an Anglo Welsh League. There isn't an Anglo Welsh League. So it's no good saying, Oh, well, that's what we need. There isn't one. And there isn't going to be one. So we have to make the URC work. And the thing is, it's not it shouldn't be difficult because it is a really good league. It's just that there's a number of people here who don't think that. Do you think it comes down to a lack of success from the Welsh teams as well? Is that part of it, do you think? Because no one complains when they're winning. No, I know everything's right when you when you're winning. But it's, there might be something of that. And, you know, the overall challenges that Welsh rugby's had over the last few years have probably made everybody a bit miserable. And that just, you know, that impacts on everything. So it's possibly that. But, you know, I think with the new management of the WIU, we do have a positive future. And we've been talking about how do we signal that because we don't want to go out, you know, it'd be easy to issue a statement from the WIU and all the regions saying, yeah, it's great. We're all working together. But actually, that's just that's just words. So we want to do something that fans can see, demonstrate that this has changed to make people think, oh, actually, maybe we are in a new era because because I believe we are. And I think that will, I think that will cheer people up and make people fall in love with the game again, where perhaps they've fallen a bit out of love with it. Oh, absolutely. Just to sort of on that, then, you know, a bit of a bit of a, you know, tangent, I suppose. But what attracted you to the Ospreys? Like, what was it? Was it simply they contacted you and you thought this was a really good opportunity? Or did you see the potential? What was it about us? It's a club that's obviously got, you know, and I know that it's 20 years old. So it's not necessarily the history of some of the the longer established clubs. But, you know, it's had a it's had a successful past in its time. But there were a couple of things that particularly attracted me. One was, one was the challenge of turning it round. But but the other was the support of the Y11 group. And that doesn't mean the financial support, although they are supporting the club heavily. It's the multi club plan. And you know that we've had players in from Cheetahs, and you know that we've got a relationship with the Hurricanes in New Zealand. And I can't I can't tell you what all the plans are yet. But, you know, I'd be happy to come back on and tell you when I when I can. Please do. No, no, I'll do that. But it's a really innovative approach. And nobody else is doing it. And I don't think anybody else will be able to do it. So that's actually going to give us quite quite a unique advantage. And making the most of that advantage is is is really exciting. Yeah, that's, that's, that's really exciting to hear that as not only as the podcast, but as a fan. And that's almost what we are. Yeah, I'm excited. This wasn't the only job that I was offered. So it's, it was a big part in, in my decision to come here. And, you know, I know, in the past, there's been talk about, you know, we're going to be a global powerhouse. Nobody's talking about that. We don't want to be a global powerhouse. We want to be the hub of our community. That's, that's what we want to do. And, you know, the hub for bands, the hub for local businesses, the hub for the other clubs in our area. But having these relationships with other clubs around the world is hugely advantageous. And people haven't seen just how big that is yet. But it's going to be, it's going to be really exciting. You know, when we might start to see the sort of things you're teething come through and chase up. Yeah, not, not very long in the future. Okay. Interesting. But we've got, we've got a comms plan around it. And so we'll, we'll stick to that. Do you gents have any more questions for Lance before we, you know, we don't want to take up too much of his time? I've got one, I've got one fine, maybe a bit off topic. How did it, how much, how much of the last 10 minutes did you think from Sunday's game? Did you think there's a real chance that we might win this? Yeah, I mean, that was an amazing performance. It's, you know, I spoke to Toby on Friday when, when he was down there. And I said, you know, how's it going? And he said, well, training's been interested because most of the boys haven't been a mile above sea level before. So it's, you know, it's been, that's been different. And, you know, you run out of oxygen. So it's pushing against the South African pack for 80 minutes is hard work at sea level, but a mile above sea levels, like even, even harder. But yeah, I'd like to say I thought it was never in doubt and that I was sure right from the beginning that we were going to win. But as we said at the start, I believe in integrity and honesty. So it was, you know, it was, it was a, it was a very exciting finale to the game. And actually just shows how tight the boys are because, you know, they're, they're all exhausted. There's no oxygen in the air. They were, what was it, 11 points down with seven minutes to go, something like that. And they didn't roll over, even though there was a load of youngsters on the pitch. And they scored three tries and won the game. And, you know, what a fabulous result. Do you have a favourite player that you, you, you've got? Of course not. I like all of them equally. That's, that's, that's the boss's answer. That's, that's, that's what my boss says about his employees. And then, yeah, brilliant. Well, Kieran Williams though. Yeah. My, my, my boss is, is one of my bosses. It's a big lens stuffer. And he told me the other day that he, his coach at university was a certain Mr. Toby Booth. So when he found out I was an Ostrich, he was quite excited about that. He was reminiscing on his university days. But even then, you know, that, I think that's the type of thing that endears to Toby a lot is that life experience as well as being, you know, this, this rugby man with, with a philosophy that certainly us three share deeply, but having that, that life experience as well as, you know, being. Yeah, no doubt. He's a great sense of the club. He's fantastic. Well, Lance, we don't want to take up any more of your time. Thank you so much for definitely. We will hope to get you back on the pod and hopefully as well that we'll, we'll come down to you and maybe do some stuff, do some work as well. Because I think as a pod, we're keen to, to meet, to meet up and, and get involved, get involved with the club as much as you can. And, you know, you've been, you've been so active on Twitter, just in case people, you know, don't know where you are on social media, how can they, how can they tweet you your, their ideas about Anglo-Welshies? I haven't had enough of those yet. So that would be, that would be good. So I'm on X at Lance underscore Bradley underscore. But if you search for my name, there's another guy who's a surgeon in America, who's also called Lance Bradley, who keeps writing to me saying, I keep getting a lot of people talking to me about rugby, what is rugby? So make sure you get the second underscore at the end, but that's, that's where you find me. We could send them a shirt, converting maybe. Yeah, I might do. I've ended up having some quite good chats with him. But yeah, make sure you do that. So absolutely brilliant, Lance. Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you once again. No worries. My pleasure. I will see you again soon. So, we haven't spoken for weeks now. You've just heard the Lance Bradley interview, which was surreal and huge thanks to Lance. It was, it was amazing to have that sort of conversation with, let's be fair, the godfather of the thing we support, and we're just three blokes who really love the Ospreys. And we've got that. So that's amazing. If you want to hear the news, just rewind about half an hour. That is the news. There is virtually no news. A lot of the news is that we're going to get news soon. Yeah, that news sounds really exciting. I just remain calm. Be patient. It is coming. Trust me. You know, if you can get to the Q&A in the Ulster game on the 18th, please do. We're going to have our man on the ground there. Aren't we? Yes, then. Are you going to be our little mole or are you in the prawn sandwich suits? No, I think if all is well, I'll be, I won't be having any prawn sandwiches in the press box. Well, actually, I don't know what food they provide in the press box. I've never eaten there on my two visits. What do they serve in the press box? I actually don't know. Because every time I've gone in there, I've just gone in there and opened my laptop and just done a bit of preparation for the game. So I'll never know. So I have right next to me, speaking of press box food, right, this is either a pack of biscuits from Wayne Pivack's last press conference as Wales coach that was left out for Pivack and he didn't eat. And then they were just left afterwards. I just noticed no one was looking at them. So I stole a packet of biscuits sitting on my desk now. So for our audio listeners, what biscuits are they? So they are, good point, Walker's gluten-free pure butter chocolate chip shortbread. Honestly, they look lovely and I wish I'd eaten them. But I thought it was a fascinating thing. For me, that sums up what Pivack did to Wales. So if Gatlin's Wales thing's a biscuit, it's a digestive or like a rich tea. It has a purpose. You know what it's going to do. It doesn't disappoint you. Wayne Pivack comes in and puts all butter cream, chocolate chips. It's got all this added shit that doesn't need to be added. And somehow Johnny Williams plays. That's what happens. Josh McLeod gets a cap. Josh McLeod is in that biscuit somehow. That's how he got injured. His knee is in that biscuit. That's therapy for me. Why is Josh Turnbull in this? Why is he going to come against Canada? There's an absurd stat. Not to divulge on Josh Turnbull too much. There's an absurd stat that he's got a Grand Slam for like, or at least a Six Nations Championship for like every four and a half caps. Josh Turnbull is the only person who's won the Six Nations twice without playing a minute. That is like, that is something you'd be on like Rugby Connect or that's a Salmahna. That's a Salmahna stat. I'd be all over that. For some reason we've gone off on a tangent. We've got like one of our best wins since Oprah, but this is so Ospreys. We're not used to this shit. All right. Um, boys, we won in South Africa on the weekend. I would just like to preface this. It is not our first ever win in South Africa. I mentioned this on the rap pod on Monday. It's our first ever win against good teams. I love you cheaters. You gave me Daniel Cassandre, right? But unfortunately you were not a serious team. Southern Kings, you don't exist anymore. The Southern Kings, that game was actually the first ever time Adam Beard produced a mispass. So, um, yeah, that is like, you know, that's something that we should all basically remember. When you've got Adam Beard throwing mispasses and Dan Evans scoring hat tricks. Yeah. But the strange thing about it, Bradley Davis is out on the wing receiving that mispass and scoring in the corner. As he should be. I would expect nothing less. So it was our first ever win in South Africa. This is our first ever time beating the Lions. We have been agonizingly close before. Curse you Jack Walsh, Miss Kicks. I love that. I do love you. And that Reese Webb giveaway once. Yeah. That was more annoying than the Walsh Miss Kicks. Yeah. I think I blocked that out of my mind. We, so we, I'm still wrapping my head around this because we won in South Africa when, so let's rewind. We spent the week talking about the permutation and we even spent the last chunk on the pod talking about, oh, well, do you know what? If we just play well and then the dragons don't do shit, we'll get a good draw. We won't get sharks away. Yeah. We kind of, I mean, this is the thing, right? I rediscovered last year during the lead up to that, particularly afterwards, how much I used to enjoy, which I completely forgotten European permutations for such a long time. So you've got out on group and like a pig in shit all week. Bothering and irritating you both about this is who we could be playing. It's everything that's happened. Oh, well, you know, Harrison's has scored 14 points rather than 13, I guess. So this is coming here. This is going to change now. The thing we said was like, well, if we win, we get a home draw, but that's not going to happen. So let's leave it out. And then the thing is, anytime we think they're not going to find a way, Toby Booth steps up and pulls out his little notebook that says signed away and out of nowhere, they produce that final 10 minutes. I found him as I've already watched. I mean, how many times have we all watched the final 10 minutes back? Cause I'm quite so I, I, I will admit I have not watched the final 10 minutes back. I, so I've got the full game and I said, I provided you both with the full game as well. Probably. I know you already had it. It's one of them ones. I'm still in disbelief. I can't, I couldn't watch the last game back. I remember, so I remember that if you go off recently, right? The ones I've been able to watch back is the one we put 50 points in the Scarlet cause that's just a fun and serious game that it was essentially fast. Like Michael Collins throwing like out the back spin passes and somehow it coming off. That game was farcical. The, the Montpelier Christmas one out there, because again, I'm just sort of like jaw on the floor. What has just happened? And then the Lester one, like the, the Lester one took me a good three weeks to watch back because I was like, was watched that last 20 minutes. And I'm just thinking, Oh my God, we're going to knock it off. You know, you know, it was somehow we're going to kick the ball back to our own goal and Joe Hayes or some have school like that's, that's what I feel. No one even knows. I knew that Jack Morgan went over. I got in from Walford road and put it straight on again and watched it through in full. First whistle to last having, you know, look, you just met. Yes. Then put me in the mood. Yeah. That was like, and I have watched that so many times. I've watched last, um, last 10 minutes, just on YouTube. I'll just watch them. Um, you know, if I ever, I'm tired to go back to the last one, it was just a constant disappointment of Austin. He means twice every time the Osprey scored. I think that's it. We mean, yes. And didn't have that. Yeah. If you watch it back, if you watch it back, especially that child score, it's a bit like a shit. What do I do now? Yeah. That's doing good. Or, or you've got, um, the Michael Collins try, save a tackle and you're like, he so wants to be like, that's a penalty trays. Oh no, actually that's a really good tackle. Shit. What do I do now? You know, that's what it felt like. And he just said by the end of it, cause this is in the middle of your field as well. If I remember right, this is where this was the week after he wanted to fight me out for a fight. And I was that right behind the commentary box. Oh, this is to relate it back to this game. Yeah. I got to that 73rd minute and we're at 28, 17 down. And you just like, I even messaged you by saying, do you know what? This is a good performance though. I'm not unhappy with this. And I'm actually going to, I was looking back at the conversation and I'm going to look back at it. Wow. So it was just, Oh, this is brilliant. Go on. I have to, well, I have to, so Keelan Charles calls that, you know, the third try, I guess, um, the tribe that starts at all. And I said, really stupidly, we just need to try and either direction, you know, either we win or we concede an extra point and we get Gloucester away rather than a trip back to South Africa. And sort of like there's a, no, that's how I'm just, I'm not going to go on a tangent. I was about to go on a very long tangent and we've had enough of those already. Um, and then when it turns around and Cameron Jones makes that kind of half break, one of the Cameron Jones's makes that kind of half break off the kickoff. And I just had this weird faith they were going to do it. It just felt like this game is broken up enough. And I felt like the way in which they timed and paste the breaking out and breaking into that style of rugby was brilliant. That game always felt really open, but we didn't get many chances to do anything with that. And then in that final quarter, when Jack Walsh came home and the moment they started to get thought and they started to play a bit more, it was phenomenal. And you had, you know, Dan Edwards is a really good job of kind of managing and controlling that game a bit during the first hour. Jack Walsh comes on and gets to do the thing that he does, which is running a lot, making a lot of half breaks from speculative offloads that Adam Beard can't get low enough to kick it out. Cause you know, it was like a human head height and creating everything that goes on there. It was a brilliant kind of team performance of kids who didn't know they weren't allowed to do this and weren't supposed to do this and should be afraid to do this doing it. It was incredible. So for context, I sent a message to our group chat at 14 and 37, which was about three or four minutes before Kevin Giles scored his try saying, thing is, this isn't a bad performance. It's exactly what you expect from some 12 year olds, because that's what it was. And we were like, yeah, it's just difficult in the red zone. You were saying, oh yeah, this could give us Gloucester away. This is great. Four minutes later, you just get all cat messages saying, uh, you start with the, the, the Kevin Giles try, which we were like, well, yeah, we scored, you know, we're making a game of it. And then yes, thing goes, uh, Cameron Jones is on. No, not that one, which is our silly little joke. And then literally two minutes later, it's, oh my God, Cameron Jones, we've just scored this outstanding try. And it, and it was actually, it was a really nice half break. We played that bit wider, which is what we've been doing down Edwards, just not with the same effects. You know, Cameron Jones hits this really nice, uh, you know, weak shoulder and goes around the hooker and then has the wherewithal to give a really good pass to what kid who had a storm. I think the benefit of having kids in, right. This is like his, that was like his third touch of professional rugby. He doesn't know he's not supposed to try and take the South African hooker. Who's a, you know, grizzled professional. He doesn't know he's not supposed to try and take him on the outside. He's been kind of in this environment expected to play for a few days after the injury crisis, he is coming on and playing his first game. He's given a chance and he goes for it because that kind of thing works at a low level. You're the biggest kid, right? And he goes, I think comes off against that size of pack in that kind of environment. It's amazing. And it again, goes to the kind of value of everything that Bruce has been doing, bringing free these kids and, uh, Oh, and Watkins touch as well. Fantastic. And just coming in, delivering the past really crisply, but just phenomenal. And you say there's been kind of awareness to draw and get back to work. And then yesterday, what happened to you in the last 10 minutes? Right. So, um, there's about three and a half minutes to go. Cam Jones has just made the break for Cam Jones to score a try. And then, um, you're thinking, right, just don't give the ball away and make sure everything goes to plan, you know, just do what the Ospreys don't do and close up the game. And, um, and, and Cam Jones does a very good job that is in the scrum half who exits the touch and does a really good touch finder and they play phases and I'm thinking, right, they're keeping this tight. It's not that bad. There's an old offload going in here and there, but the defence is coping. And then one phase that there's an offload that goes in and the Lions go out wide and I'm thinking, Oh, right. But there's enough, you know, there's enough, uh, enough protection there. Giles makes a really good defensive does slip off a tackle, but it's all covered up. Owen Watkin makes a brilliant counter-attack and disrupts everything. And then my TV thinks it's a really funny idea. Lost connection to the satellite signal. And, um, next thing is I'm frantically trying to make sure to get my TV back in working order. Well, in some sort of working order, it was messing up for the rest of the evening. And, um, so I'm trying to get my TV up and working all day and I got my phone goes rather ballistic and in many ways. And, uh, it turns out from, from what I didn't see was a 50 meter intercept from a 19 year old Morgan Moss. Your mate, Morgan Moss, but yeah, your friend, like, you know, your actual real life friend, yeah. Comfortably message after the game and get a reply, which is very rare when I'm watching any sort of rugby match, but, um, yeah. And one part of me was absolutely delighted because, you know, when I was trying to get a home draw, what more do you want? And the slight inkling of me was absolutely devastated because I missed out on the intercept, which was brilliant. The dive, which was, I think a couple of boys that I know were debating that and calling it a bit questionable, but I think that'll be up for debate. And then all the celebrations, they were going around down to the touchline where you see like Luke Morgan's a traveling reserve, just jumping up and down like a wild thing. George North was one arm just high-fiving people. So on one hand it was brilliant, but I couldn't watch the last two and a half minutes, which is bitterly disappointing. What was great about it was, so he made the interception try, he scored it, but I loved every time they panned to the Osprey sidelines because it just looked like some sort of neat little Swansea boys going out for a lad's holiday. Because rather than wearing like their normal kit, they're all in vests. And I'm really surprised that Luke Davis wasn't like tops off for the beer, because that would be what Luke Davis would do. Like chucking a beer up in the air or like, you know, Rhys Henry's got like a wet towel on his head and he's just tops off like he's a dad at like an all-inclusive holiday he's taking his kids to. It was just that he scored that try and Robbie and I are like, we've lost our voice. I am delirious. Yeah, I was hoarse for like two days. I just, I don't remember the 73 minutes that preceded that match, like the bits before. Like, so I get a message at the start after Owen Watkins scores his first try from, and I will call that because it's playful banter from Hugh Griffin, who has this theory that Osprey scored tries by accident. And I was like, okay. And I messaged him at the end in all caps, I said, does that one count? We didn't get a reply. But it was just the permutation, just everything that led up to that game, the context of it, you know, we messaged in the week saying, who have we actually taken out like to South Africa? Like genuinely know who, we were counting Instagram stories just to see if we took 28 players out. That's dangerous. You know, and we came out with virtually no injuries, you know, and we won, you know, I'm not asked about the stats either. Like I'm normally like first one to go and watch stats and be like, what was our scrim percentage? Was it a line out? What was our defense? I don't care. All that matters is we won 28-38 out in South Africa. And don't give me this, they're the dragons of South Africa or whatever. They're not a bloody good team. Right. The lions you've got to remember have been the where South African stars come from when they go to the big South African teams. You know, there was a piece on a field essay rugby blog or one of the South African rugby websites, like a month ago saying we need to admit the lions are our best and most exciting team. And, you know, because they were the ones overflowing with the shots were underwhelming and obviously balls and stompers of all the persons who got the box back. But like, this is a good team. And these are really difficult conditions. This is one of the most difficult places in the world to go. They have a brilliant home record. You know, I don't think they've lost to a non-South African team since they joined the URC at home. I might probably I'm wrong on that, but I believe they've got like, yeah, an amazing record at home. I know because I did this show with Stephen Gaisley, the South African comedian, last year and the year before, and he was always very up on their record at home. And to go away and in that fashion, in that style, as you say, nothing else really matters. It's the most find a way win ever imaginable. You kind of it's a sort of game where you can't really analyse it. You just need to be superlative about how great it was, what it meant, how it felt. We all went in figuring this was a lost cause. This was a game, you know, it was kind of like a fun little like goodbye to the this nightmare 13 week block that Toby has mentioned endless times was the most difficult block of games he's experienced as a coach. And, you know, right from his days coaching university rugby with your boss. And to come to the end of that block and pull off that win in that style with that team, which, as you said, during the week, we weren't sure we'd get 23 players out. Just up there with the best Ospreys wins that I have ever experienced. Yes, it is that the best win for the Ospreys full stop or recently? It's up there, isn't it? And as I was speaking to someone, and there's a bit of chatter about doing, you know, some Facebook saying, you know, what's the most impressive performance of the depleted side? Comparing that performance of the one against Leinster in 2021. And yeah, you think there's a lot of a lot of things that are quite similar there in those in those two games, you know, a charge down trade, you know, who doesn't love them? And, and, and, yeah, and I think it's definitely up there. I can't really rank them all at the moment. Because I still think the way gaming on Pelly was, is somewhere in the mix. But I also think the home game was brilliant as well, in terms of the actual standard of the rugby and the performance that the Ospreys have put in. No, because that game included Carl Dixon, and that's never in my top games. Might be removed, or maybe down the pecking order a little bit. You've got games against Leinster, you know, the recent example of last year, when I spent the rest of the weekend working out European permutations. Thinking, don't send us to Durban. Might be a small chance of Edinburgh. Saracen's okay, but we might lose. And then Edinburgh do whatever Edinburgh do and kick the ball out. I couldn't watch the game live, and I was keeping updated on my phone, scrolling through Twitter, and all I could see was everyone erupting laughter, thinking, what's he doing? Why did he kick that ball out? But I think, you know, that Lions win is certainly up there. And I think it's, well, the Tottenham Booth era is probably, I drank it top, in terms of the circumstances that went on, you know, the mental 13-week block that we all know about now. And, yeah, in terms of all time, I still think Leinster 2012 probably should go edges there. Yeah, Leinster will never beat Leinster 2012. The crazy thing is, right, if this win happened this time last year, we'd be saying it's our best win in a decade. Now there's argument whether it's, where is it top three from the last year? Because I think there's two Montpellier games and Leinster away for me, you know, I have special circumstances around Leinster away, having grown up in the East Midlands, during the era where they played each other constantly. I'd been to Walford Road like a dozen times and only ever seen them lose, sometimes by 40 points in pre-season friendlies. So that game has like, you know, bonus points for me. That was like us beating the Scarlets for the first time ever, but, you know, in my local neck of the woods. But yeah, you have Leinster away, you have the two Montpellier games, and then now you have this. Just like, we do the God bless you, Toby Booth chat every week, but the way they fight for each other, the way they feel like a team, the way that you can drop these kids in, these actual actual proper children in, and like people born in like, after the Nintendo DS came out, and they're now playing for the Ospreys and beating South African teams away from home. It's just like, properly amazing as a thing to witness. And you can do all the analysis you want, you know, I think Owen Walker was absolutely phenomenal. I think he and Harry Dees were like, some distance ahead of the pack on like, the man of the match standings. You kind of had those two and then you had like a, you know, then you had people called Cameron Joes across the board, including some just watching in pubs. And then you had, you know, everyone else. But it kind of, it's kind of like a bit of a magic to try and analyze it. Because you're just like, well, no, I loved it. I loved, I loved, not every second of that. I loved every second of the last seven minutes. That's seven minutes. Um, yeah, that 13 week block, you're just like, what has just happened? Like, what has, you know, so let's have a look at that 13 week block, right? I don't think there's much more to talk about the game. It was, Lyon's discipline was awful. PJ Boat has been cited. I'm not sure if he's been banned, but he's definitely been cited for what I assume is the elbow to Harry Deeves, which again is the second time it's happened this season to Harry Deeves. I'm starting to think it's personal. It might just be the color of his cap. Maybe he doesn't like the color yellow. Yeah. They want him to be blind so he can fit on his man. Um, yeah. So let's talk about the 13 week block then. So you can probably include preseason in that as well. So going into preseason, I was very skeptical. So I was like, what are we going to do? We live in a post Adam and Jones world. Um, you know, how do we come back from this? We, I was really gutted about losing Mikey Collins, um, Sharon, Sharon, Michael Collins, one of the best inputs you've had in years. Um, we'd love, we, you know, we'd sort of been, we were sort of a lull in the judgment day game, sort of had everyone a bit of a sour taste in everyone's mouth because kind of unbearable. Um, so I was a bit like, and then you have that first, so you have the dragons game and the Cardiff game and both the dragons games or how every game at Rodney parade goes for us. Awful. And you're thinking Dan Edwards didn't play well. Ooh, what, you know, it's just an, it's just an omen. Then we go to the Liberty, we'd play Cardiff. It was sort of like a bit of a, again, just farcical, you know, then the season starts. So what were your thoughts going in? You saw his 30 week block. What are your thoughts going into the season? What's your aspirations? Um, I, I just hope that we managed to just, you know, play every game. If we could sneak it when you're in there, you know, maybe much, you know, some games that we, they might've, you know, maybe might've lost not really last season, maybe fixed them. It had been, you know, maybe a bit of a successful season. I always thought with, with the budget cuts and everything, uh, probably one of the biggest things that I pointed out was probably winning the park of Scarlett. Cause obviously, you know, I haven't been done for such a long time, but from an Ospreys perspective, you know, since 2015 and you thought, you know, everyone's kind of on the same playing level, but the budget cuts, you know, squads are a bit tight and you still thought, you know, if you had your first team, first 15 out, you know, that, that pack is still quite strong. You know, the box look quite tidy and, and you thought, you know, there's a real good chance that we could, you know, end that duck. And then obviously I think I was working at Pontypool against Pontypridd in the Welsh Prem with my laptop, not really working. My, um, my laptop not really working on SLC clicks, seeing Kieran Williams drop the ball at the first catch of the season. And you're thinking, right, this is going to be interesting. Cause I, cause it was so the, the screen quality of my laptop was, was that bad that day cause of, cause of signal. I thought he just caught the ball and kicked it out. And then it eventually reloads and refreshes up. And I see it's like seven nil at the corner. I thought, I thought he just kicked the ball out. How have they scored so quickly? And then obviously you see a halftime and you're thinking this could be a long, long season. But then I think what summed it up for me was that second half performance in Galway might have not been the result they were looking for, but they might have positive shoots that came out of that game, kind of spurred it on for the rest of the season. Then you have the zebra game, which was like the Lorenzo Pani in court show, which was brilliant. I really, I really enjoyed that game. And then it just kind of built on from there in a way with the odd flip, like we've seen against Glasgow Dragons and, and Benetton. But on the whole, it's been, I feel it's been really positive and I certainly didn't expect it to be this positive at this final of the season. No. Yeah. I mean, speaking of first team week blocks, I was coming towards the end of an 11 week block in France for the World Cup where I lost my mind about 16 times. Turns out, right. Obviously amazing to be over there. Amazing everything at, you know, 11 weeks is too long to go away from home for one solid block. And so, yeah, I was like penultimate week of that when the season started again. And I went for a walk around Paris before that corner. Okay. Cause I'd listened all week to the, you know, the Toby of press conferences, very excited to have him back and the Scrum Five pod I listened to and, you know, any other sources of kind of Osprey stuff around there. And everyone was talking about the challenges of the budget and the squad size and the fact that realistically we can't expect anything here. And you looked at the previous season and you looked at the names that left and I went for a walk where I had to kind of walk around this neighborhood of Paris and convince myself and kind of tell myself that really with where they're standing, if you compare the relative budgets of all the clubs in the URC of the offer against that resources, et cetera, you know, even the other Welsh clubs have got more subversive internationals across the board and kind of better backings and what have you. Every position we finish off the bottom is an achievement in itself. And you kind of need to look at it as that. And the real challenge is the Derby's. And really you want to be building towards the Derby's and how you're doing those is the season and everything else is kind of its own, like Everest that you kind of watch these young kids climb and see how close they get and just kind of take whatever you have out there because previous seasons of the Toby Booth, they've really fought and scrapped everything. And I knew we could kind of take that for granted that they will fight and there'll be worth watching for that. I wasn't really expecting anything more than, you know, I kind of convinced myself, right, we'll win maybe like three or four games this year. Yeah. That's the number I had in my head. Yeah. Like probably all Derby's, probably all Derby's and maybe that's ever a game that's not the season at home. And then for it to, as you said, you know, the halftime turnaround in Conor that kind of gave you the belief and then it just kept rolling from there. The Sharks game was fantastic out in London. And by that point I got back to see it. And then the Glasgow game was agonizing obviously later on, but I think also showed that they can compete with the very best in the league. And yeah, you have the, the, the dragons game is kind of, dragons and Montpelier are kind of the only two blips where they, the standards dropped. Like even that Benetton game, it was that group of kids that eventually go away and beat the Lions on the whole, you know, very similar teams. That was their kind of first hit out together. And a lot of them playing their first start and they built from there into something that's really special. This is even, I think, remember for a long time, no matter how the second half of it goes. Yeah, I just think that, and there's been a lot said this week about our, actually we're probably underperforming because of who we've got on our team sheets. That's, you know, with the, with probably the exception of the dragons and this is no way to disparage the dragons. If you look across the team sheets, our squads in general, why, why aren't Cardiff or Scarlet's competing? You know, Scarlet's, if you put their best backline out or even their most experienced backline out, that could compete with anyone in the league. That's, that's, that's a full Welsh backline. You know, yes, Osprey's have got a great pack, but as we've explained this week, they're all, you know, 90% of them are homegrown. Most of them weren't internationals when Toby Booth came in. And also Dave, you know, Adam Beard was dropped very early on into the Toby Booth era. Jack Morgan was dropped for some reason. Derry Lakes come under so much scrutiny. Rhys Davis has not been given a fair shot. Sam Parry got given a shot, did very well and has performed consistently since, hasn't been given a shot since. Nicky Smith, prime example of what more can that man do? You know, he, if he was Scottish and Scotland, he'd end your cap international for Scotland by now. Nicky McSmith, who else? I'm sure they've got top of my head. You know, Morgan Morris hasn't been given a shot, but the most consistent performer, homegrown. If you look past the Welsh stats thing, it's a homegrown squad. What more do you want? You know, we field a high yield of Welsh qualified players, whatever. I don't think we're underperforming or where we should be. I think generally we are exceeding expectations in the context of where Welsh rugby is. And it's okay to celebrate their Wales online, but don't set us up for failure. Doing the double over the Scarlets is something that we've had so many big moments this season. We did the double and we won the Scarlets in quite convincing fashion. And it was quite funny because obviously the Scarlets are a bit rubbish at the minute and it is quite sad, but we still did the double. I was like you Robbie, I was like, you know what, climb this with three or four wins, sneak a win in Europe, at least be competitive in Europe. Maybe we sneak a win at home against Perpignan and then we'll push Benetton far. I wasn't expecting eight out of 13. And with the backdrop of, and again, this is not me disparaging Cardiff because they can't control what the media say about it, is when you've got the media spin of Cardiff being the darlings of Welsh rugby at the minute because they throw some passes and they play sexy rugby. They still only won three games, two of them with the Dragons. Was it the Dragons twice? Dragons once? Do you know what I mean? Dragons with two of them. And the other one was a Stormers win, which is very good, but the Stormers win awful. And it's not to disparage Cardiff, they can't control what the media says, but we've definitely flown under the radar until now where they're like, oh shit, they've actually won eight out of 13. The same as Edinburgh and Glasgow, who are regarded as high flyers in the league. So, you know, look, we're doing very well. We're in a position where injuries are starting to come back. You know, we, I think we're up to 50 players used there. Wow. We hit, I think we were on 45 very recently. We were second to Leinster the other week. We were second to Leinster's crotchless AI generated humans. And speaking of AI, I have to share this. I was watching the regional age grade, the Dragons versus Scarlet. Scarlet's 162, 70. I said, by the way, they look very good this season. The Dragons have a player called Buster Bodkin. I'm sorry. That is the most AI generated person I've ever met. Buster Bodkin is an MLR stalwart that plays for like the Freejacks or, not even like the Freejacks, he plays for Houston Sabercats. No, he's like an alternate ego to Mr. Tumble. Like he's a children's TV character. Do you want to play another game of good player? Oh, always. Because speaking of the Leinster one has got me thinking, right, let's do the EDF final squads. Oh, which year? 2008. The year we lost. Yeah, the one we won. I'm not going back. So first off, do you remember the referee that day? Um, was it Barnes? Chris White? Barnes. No, because it couldn't have been an Englishman. But it'd been an Irishman in Alain Roland, everyone's favourite. It was Alain Roland. It was that Irishman. The semi-final before this was my first Osprey game I attended. So what a lovely story. Attendance that day, it must have been held at Sardis Row because the attendance was 65,000. So the attendance at Sardis Row was 65,000. So I'll start with the Leinster team. And if you ask me to say a Leinster, this is the Leinster team. Like one of the Leinster teams. Anthony Allentine? So at fullback was Geordie Murphy. Yes. Good player. Good player. Good player. Vintage. Er, Olly Smith. Oh, solid. Solid player. Lions Bolter. Dan Hipkiss. Dan Hipkiss. Scourge of the Ospreys for a brief period. Aaron Major. Good player. Good player. Dropped the bat in that game in the Liberty where Tommy Boe scored. He did. He did. Wood has scored. Dropped the ball to his toes. Ben Young's threw it in. Uncapped at the time, Ben Young. Er, Mr. Henry Tuolaghi. Good player. Oh, I want, I've got a Henry Tuolaghi story but that's for another day. The Scourge of Shane Horgan's Dreams, that man. Erm, Andy Good. Oh boy. Oh, okay. Good, good, right. I'm going to say good player. Yeah, fair, fair. I assume this is Andy Ellis. Oh, yeah, yeah. Lion. Harry Ellis. Yeah. Harry Ellis, not Andy Ellis. Harry Ellis. Andy Ellis was a different player. Andy Ellis was a Kiwis come off. Yeah, Andy Ellis. I'm thinking of MLR Andy Ellis. Harry Ellis got on the 2009 Lions Tour and then got injured before the first game. Harry Ellis retired far too early. No, he didn't. No, he went. He did go. No, so he did. Yeah, he, yeah. Yeah, it was 10 months before you got injured. But he retired far too early. Yeah, yeah. I did the podcast before the, um, the thing, the game last year. Yeah, last year. And, uh, they said Harry Ellis, everyone talks about him, he's the hardest scrum off you'll ever meet. Like, impossibly tough guy. Would just pick fights for forwards for no reason. Like, on his own team, in training sessions. He was like the only scrum off welcome in the ABC club, as they call it up in Leicester. They're kind of like, club for the hardest players. So then you go into forwards, Boris Stankovic. Oh, yes. Good player. Good player. Uh, George Shooter, I believe this is. Good, good player. Good player, George Shooter. Yeah. Martin Castro Giovanni. Oh, hero. Good player. Then you get into, like, the, like, Louis Deacon. Good player. Good player. Martin, uh, Ben Kay. Good player. Good player. Also John Pass. Good pundit. I like Ben Kay. Yeah. Uh, Martin Corrie. Good player. Five-year-old Martin Corrie. Um, angler for a lion's toe, no doubt. Um, Herring. Not that, I can't remember Herring. Richard Herring, maybe? And then, and then a young Jordan Crane. No, Richard Herring is the comedian. Richard Herring is the comedian. Right, well thank you Richard Herring is the comedian. Yeah. Yeah. On the bench, you had a young Tom Van Bell, soon to be a Scarlet. Julian White was still knocking around. Young Tom Croft, who'd clearly come back from injury, was trying to get onto a lion's toe. Um, Benjamin Kaiser. And not used, weirdly, was Richard Blaise and Sam Vestman. Oh. Good players. Good player. But never, then we go into the, the Magnus League dominators. Okay, so, right. I'll start with the backs. Lee Byrne. He's a good player. When I was growing up, actually, Lee Byrne. Johnny Vaught, Johnny Vaughton. Oh, I remember Johnny Vaughton. He, he built a career out of the fact he was faster than Shane Williams. That was the only thing anyone ever said about him. Like, oh, he's faster than Shane Williams. Uh, A player. Uh, Sonny Parker. Good player. Probably was, after this, was his downfall. I think after this, it was like, he was like, on his way out. Uh, young Andrew Bishop. Good player, man. Missed it. So good. He's probably just tackled me now. Just, if you say, if you say his name three times in the mirror, he tackles you. Solid, defensively solid, chin strap. What more can you want? Shane, Shane Williams. Good player. Uh, James Hook. Okay, let's move on. A player. No, no, this was good James Hook. This was good James Hook. This was peak of his powers. Justin Marshall. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yes. Bumfer. Uh, Paul James. Good player. Great player. Vodka underrated, I think. Yeah. Especially in last year. Um, Richard Hibbard. Young Richard Hibbard, this would have been. Very young Richard Hibbard. He, he went on the Wales tour to South Africa, I believe this year. Yeah. And immediately got into a fight. Um, if I remember rightly. Um, Adam Jones. The period where Richard Hibbard was sneaking off and playing rugby league on the side. Yes. So I, I know the story of this, right? Okay. He was playing for Aberavon Fighters Irish, right? Under a fake name. But a fake name that was so obvious that I think they just let him do it. Richard Hibbard. It, I genuinely think it was something like that. It was Richard Hibbard. And it's not like Richard Hibbard is a man you can't spot. It's not like, if, if, if you told me that Finn Smith was going to go play rugby league, you have to tell me to pick him out of a line out. I could not tell you what Finn Smith looks like. Right. If you told me to pick Richard Hibbard, like a young Richard Hibbard out of a line out. Right. I'd be able to. No offense, Richard. I love you. You know, um, uh, Adam Jones. Good player. Yeah. Was this, this wasn't called, this was, this was Cornrow's Adam Jones. 2008. Oh yeah, it was then. Yeah. Yeah. This was racially ambiguous, Adam Jones. Um, a young man called Wynne Jones, apparently. Oh no. Yeah. So Wynne Jones, a Scarlet's prop. I haven't been with him. Uh, Ian Evans. My favorite. Good player. Good player. 2013. Ian Evans is one of the best, most underrated second rows ever. Uh, who else have we got? Evans? Oh no, no, we've just done Evans. Ryan Jones. Ryan Jones. Oh man, childhood hero. Yeah. Hair sticking out the scrum cap. Oh, uh, Marty Holler. Yes. Brilliant player. And then my favorite player of all time. One probably is Filo Teotia. The first man I ever followed on LinkedIn was Filo Teotia. I'm not even joking. Just, why isn't Filo Teotia coming up every week? Good player. I remember him being referred to as capital T, capital L, the legend around like Osprey's fan site stuff back in the day. He was just, just a great hard-nosed Kiwi bastard. The thought, we just don't get anymore. It's the fact that they were, he was about 53 when he signed for us. And you're just like, do you want fair enough? Um, on the bench, I think, go on. He was linked with, um, the Osprey's job once. It was either, it was either the, um, the, the global search to bring in the best head coach ever, or was it after Alan Carpenter dismissed? No, I think it was the global search because I think that's what people were like, they're shorter, they're talking about Teotia, right? Yeah. After Tandy, and you know, Teotia's the man for the job. You know, he's, that's it. Done deal. Because he was coaching the Hurricanes at that point. Or he was in the Hurricanes. Oh yeah, lots of Sun World. Yeah. Yes. So, so on the bench, then you had a brew. I don't know which one it was. I probably have the owl. Yeah, it was. He came off for Johnny Vaughton at 78 minutes. Bit of a waste. Like, no offence. I'm starting brew. I have no clue. Said no one ever. Jonathan Spratt, the six out of 10. The most average player to ever exist. The man epitomised the possibles versus probables game. Which, which, right. By the way, I was reminded of this, because I've got a programme, like somewhere in my next room with that game. We are going over that game soon. Because that game was a fever dream, right? That was the best game I think I've ever watched. This episode started as the most professional we've ever been, and descended into the most in a pub we've ever been. Well, we've got the rugby to talk about next. Yeah. Um, Owen, uh, so what was the other one? Owen for Huck. So who would that be? Is that Gareth Owen? Gareth Owen. Yeah, the other Gareth. Because Gareth Rees-Owen now is Gareth Rees-Owen, because there's a player Gareth Owen at the time. Who is the Gareth Owen, yeah. Primarily if you want to play 10 a bit, then move from centre when you went to left. Duncan, Duncan Jones. Oh, yes. The Mohawk. Yes, of course. Yeah, Duncan shaved off his hair. He looks good. Weirdly, Paul James played 73 minutes this game. Wow. Hugh Bennett came on. Good player. Good, good player. Yeah, by the end, you know, one of those players who had the best form of the career right before he retired. Yes, Ian Gough. Ian Gough, good. This was pre-Gatham. So he wouldn't have had, this is where he was about to get his Wales resurgence, where Gatham basically said, your job is to hit rucks and do nothing else. And he was amazing then. And then, of course, Jonathan Thomas. Oh, standard, yeah. It was the best team in that era. Playing every single position. Possibly one of the best teams in that era. Because who else was playing in that era that wouldn't have been playing that game? Henson would have gone, wouldn't he? No, Henson. Oh, sorry. Henson would have come into that team. Probably for Jonathan, not for Jonathan Spratt, but... Nicky Walker missing. Nicky Walker, yeah. He was trying to run along somewhere. Tommy Bowe signed the following season, I think. Tommy Bowe did, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much the best, probably the best team we could have put, because that was only for six subs. Hmm. That was pre-seven subs, wasn't it? So I think this should be our little thing now, where we just, we do good player every week. And we go through a random Ospreys game. I think we need some interaction on social media, just people just check random Ospreys games from nowhere. Yeah. Yeah, find us the most obscure Ospreys games from regionalization, and we'll play a good player. It could even be a time from when Tom Harbourfield scored a brace, like against Northampton, or... Oh, the ones I'm thinking of are that Northampton game, where Hannah Dixon puts George North on his arse, if you remember that. That's right, that's the video. And I always remember it, because I know Jamal Ford Robinson well, and there's a bit where Dan Evans just skins him. The other one I'm thinking of is the Ospreys X, the game that Josh Matavese see, Interception Try, the slowest Interception Try that's ever existed. What else am I thinking? See, we could be really obvious and do the Lens of the Final, which I think would be a good one to revisit. That's like an end of season treat for us. That is, so we should do, we could do, actually, we could do the Lens of the Josh Thomas game. Yes! That would be a great one to do, because it would just be like Josh Thomas, best player to ever have existed in the history of the Ospreys, and I love him dearly. And then Sam Cross. Sam Cross, good at opening Aldi's. Great opening Aldi's, so good at it. He opened the Aldi near me right after I moved. That's such a Welsh rugby thing. But it was an Olympic thing, because they clearly signed this Olympic contract, and then Sam Cross was clearly like, shit, they've got to open like 12 Aldi's around the whole of the UK. Why can't they all be in like, Trim Saron? Do you think that's why he's gone to Newcastle? So he can open Aldi's in the North Sea? Yeah, do you think it's like he's gone up as a regional manager? He's not actually playing Aldi. He's an Aldi regional manager. He, I love that. He will always be remembered for, weirdly winning the Wales Cup against New Zealand, and the gas and air clipped, that sail, where he got the whistle. So yeah, absolutely. One game against Arisons, they got him in the Welsh squad, and it's still the thing we can talk about. Yeah, which he wasn't supposed to play. Yeah, he came in, ended up playing like 10 minutes on the wing, and they were like, we need that lad in the Welsh squad. Because he does the Eastern routes thing, where he hits Farrell like three times. There's a bit where he rubs Farrell's face in the ground, in the 4G, and Farrell gets up and starts like squaring up to him. And you're like, oh my God, you are everything I've been looking for since Jerry Collin left. So yeah, I think definitely, I think good players should be our new thing, because these are great. The Gloucester one was a fantastic one last week. That was a really good one. Gents, any other business before we... Well, it's funny you should ask. The Department Q franchise, all of them are on Viaplay. I've only seen the first one, The Keeper of Lost Causes, which came out in 2013, and this has become Sweden's biggest film franchise now. There are about two detectives who go back through the archives and solve unsolved cases. What's it called? The Department Q franchise, Sweden's biggest film franchise. All of them are on Viaplay, I think there's like six of them. I've seen the first one, and I remember thinking, that's all right. And then it kind of sets up for a franchise. I'm like, yeah, fine, I'll watch more of those. I haven't. So yeah, they're all on Viaplay. I'm running out of films on Viaplay that I've seen. I didn't expect to go on this podcast this often, I think, when I started. You're essentially like, I remember getting the message from yesterday, because obviously I joined this in the second episode, that yesterday was like, oh, well, Robbie might come on semi-regularly if he has time. And every time I messaged, you're like, yeah, I've just sort of made time, and now I'm just here, and we love you for it. The thing is, the only person I get to talk rugby with regularly is my brother, and he isn't like, he just sort of generically supports the regions, and I'm hardline. He supports London, and that's it. That's it, yeah. I've watched Osprey Scarlet games with him, where he's supporting the Scarlets, and then people throw him in whenever the Ospreys win, and it's like, oh, you must be delighted by association with me. And I'm like, no, no, no, he doesn't get this. He doesn't think, he isn't allowed this. I'm not having it. He doesn't know what Johnny Vaughton is. He can't find a way, he can't find a way. He can't play good player with us. So I'm just delighted to talk about the Ospreys, for like an hour, or four every evening, if it ends up being five months a week. Department Q, by the way, has 7.2 on IMDb. This might be my watch tonight. Yeah, you'll look, they are like very solid, I mean, when you see the first one, very solid, like, just crime thriller movies. Yeah, Keeper of Lost Causes was the first one, and I thought it was solid, and then they kept making them, but they weren't putting them in cinemas over here. I think they were going straight to- So when the URC moves back to Premier Sports, do Premier Sports have like weird Nordic stuff as well? I don't think they do, but I hope so. I hope they add it, because otherwise I'm making a football documentary that I've seen. Our USP is going to be like Denver Pan. What happens then? What happens then? Speaking of rugby-related media, have you watched Full Contact yet? Not yet, not yet. That's my job. That's what I'm going to be doing after this. I'm sort of hesitant to watch it because it's not what I want to see, but I genuinely want to see like the weird players, like give me an hour on Jonathan Spratt and what he's doing there. That's what I want to see. I'd love to see Ellis Gaines, but his story has been done to death. Like the ones I'm interested in looking at are like Sam Negri, but that's a genuinely interesting story. But it also gives me like the little tidbits of like the pre-Scrum 5 interviews that like Sarah Eldon, or like Cassie Henderson do, where they take like Morgan Morris on a Christmas tree farm. That's what I want to see. Like Kieran Williams and Scott Gibbs, like, you know, comparing biceps in Miss Rugby Club. That's what I want to see, not, you know, Livery, Sandwick, Walker and Clendalf. So what I'm saying is, if there's anyone out there who wants to make alternative rugby media, and I'm not talking about like deeply right-wing rugby media, like proper alternative rugby media. I mean, I'm giving it a go. Well, yeah, you're not following No, I know what you mean, yeah, yeah. That's what I want to see. I'm not filming it. No, I once met Dimitri Arheb in the club shop where he was sending like kit back to Moldova. And I'm like, that's what the documentary I want to see is Dimitri Arheb just going about his day. And he just like walking through that town and seeing like, what would Dimitri Arheb do if he had to go into the works? Like something like that. How would Dimitri Arheb react to going into the works? You know, like, this is what we need to see rugby media. Is like, especially like the import players. Like Jack Walsh, what can we send Jack Walsh to? What was Jack Walsh's reaction to the pitch in Regend? Like a behind the scenes? Well, like, like we send like Jack Walsh to like a Lovestone factory and see what he sends. This is what we need to do. Send them to like, one of those quite depressing cafes on Swansea Beach. And just have him compare it. Compare all of that experience of what he grew up with. We can send like Will Hickey to, oh, I don't know. Where can we send Will Hickey? That would be, Will Hickey and his Sam Davis lookalike friend on like a buddy cop series that they did. That, yeah. You see, I'm listing off literal gold here. I think so. I think we should have asked Lance. Nevermind about where we're moving stadiums. Can I get a camera on to make sure I don't go into the woods? Can we, can we bring back Tyler Ardron and Jeff Adler? Not to play rugby, but just to send around a CEX into Swansea. Oh, yes. I want to know what they're drawn to. Yeah. Yeah. You've got a secret camera and they're like, whatever they're drawn to. I feel like Jeff Haskell would go straight for like the, he's over like the PS5 games, where like Ardron's going, like Ardron's going over to like the 50p world film section and he's picking out like Department Q, The City of Lost Kids. Tyler Ardron does have the energy of someone that still only uses physical media. Yes. He's hanging on to his Blu-ray collection. Yeah. He will glance as, hey, he wouldn't be alone doing this. He'll glance behind the glass cabinets that like the old Game Boy Colors and just look up longingly thinking maybe one day I'll bring up the courage to ask for one. He, he's got, he's, he, he, he's, he got into the same CEX in, in, in, or their equivalent in, in Cast and he's looked at a sealed copy of James Pond on the, on the Game Boy and he's like, one day that will be mine because I'll have the courage to get it. That's what, that's what he's doing. I feel like when he went to New Zealand, he was introduced to a collector and that started his love again and he got thrust away too quickly. But this, oh my God, we could write a novella. Tyler Ardron, own an analog pocket is what we're after. I feel like Jeff Haslett would like, look at the Tamagotchi and I would be confuddled. I was like, what is this? I feel like I need to have one. Oh, this is brilliant. I'm going to be thinking of these all night. Jeff Haslett is a trade in the previous year's FIFA kind of guy in CEX. Yes. Where Tyler Ardron is a go around and look for like treasure trove bits that you might not expect to find kind of guy. We have the CEO, the Osprey's on like an hour ago. Yeah. Tyler Ardron, Tyler Ardron has gone and bought season three of Gilmore Girls. That's what he's, not the boxer. He's like, he's got the rest. He's just like, do you know what? I've really let the box out. Season three of Gilmore Girls. I'm going to buy season three. Like that's what, that's the type of energy I get from him. It just lies on his coffee table for months. He doesn't properly stack it away. I feel like he would have been the worst person in the clubhouse to talk to. He's like, Laura, like man, like, you know, he's going off like some deep rants about like the motivations of characters and sex in the city in Gilmore Girls. This is why I feel like, oh, if Osprey's players went to CEX, what would they be drawn to? Right. And that's my new thread for this week. There's no rugby on. I am going to do a thread of if Osprey's players went to CEX. That's going to be the thread and what they're drawn to. Right. We need to bring this episode to a close because as Robbie said, we literally had the CEO on talking about really serious topics. And now we've talked about, we've played good play and now we've gone off on a tangent again. Harley Worthy is going to message me saying, what have you done? You've done it again. Because he messaged me the other week when I made my comments about we had Gloucester didn't have a pot to piss in. And then they ended with a pot to piss in at Adam Hastings. He was like, I can't get this image out of my head now. So yeah, right. Huge thank you for the support you've given us. The numbers are just blowing up my mind every week. As the boys as well, you know, our little community, our little pocket. Huge thank you to everyone's sponsors on Twitter. Obviously this weekend was huge for us in terms of having Lance on, but the WinXF Africa as well. You know, it's starting to pick up traction with the players as well. They're liking the post, getting involved. Yeah, brilliant. You can find the boys in their regular socials. Yestin underscore Thomas 21. Robbie at Squish Rugby. Good NFL video, by the way. I'm halfway through it. That's very different. Them type of videos are great. Your Six Nations stuff coming up this week? Yeah, yeah. There's something hopefully early next week. There's two things up early next week on, I guess, challenges teams trying to solve in the Six Nations coming up. Wales is being shit. We've got these. What is this they've got in here? Oh, I got halfway through writing one in Wales and changed my mind to write one on Ireland because I hate them, apparently. But that's a whole other thing for another day. Right, but brilliant. We can't wait for them. We have not got a game now until the 18th of February. It is Ulster at home, where there will be the Lance Bradley Q&A. So anything or the news that we get that near the time, we will post on the socials. Please leave us feedback. Lance is very keen to get back on the pod, especially when more and more stuff comes out. We appreciate that. Maybe not everyone's questions are answered because he simply can't answer them. He's been in the job literally two weeks. But we're really keen. We'll definitely try and catch up with him when we're back down the stadium. We play Salem in the last 16. I feel like we've lost over this. It's a very winnable game. A tough one, but winnable. It's tough, but winnable. I'm looking at maybe from, if we were looking to more solidify a win, Connock sort of in the better draw, or Bayon, but Exeter decided to be shit. So yeah, still a winnable game. Looking forward to that. We'll talk more about that in sort of the follow weeks. We haven't decided if we're going to be part of the Six Nations. It's a busy time for all of us, and there's just not much to talk about. But actually, we might do good player for an hour. So if that's something that we decide to do, we'll let you guys know. But if we don't have a beautiful Six Nations, it is the best time of the year, and we'll see you in two weeks' time to preview the Osprey as we always do. Thank you all. Max Nagy would go around buying Xbox One games in great quantity, but hasn't upgraded to an Xbox Series X yet. Oh, good. He's a follower of the Pods as well, so he might actually go buy every one. If he'd been selling that for us, that'd be superb. Thank you for listening to the Osprey Dari podcast. We hope you enjoyed the show. Please subscribe, rate and review wherever you listen to us, as it really helps to spread the word. You can find us on all the usual social media channels or email us on welshregionalrugbypod at gmail.com. And remember, whatever the question, rugby is always the answer.