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We discuss the badass and legendary Bull Nakano. Everything from her styles, innovation and her whooping ass.
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We discuss the badass and legendary Bull Nakano. Everything from her styles, innovation and her whooping ass.
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We discuss the badass and legendary Bull Nakano. Everything from her styles, innovation and her whooping ass.
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Welcome to Vocal Vignette. This is Episode 2. We are getting started, finally, with what we love to talk about, which is wrestling, people that brought us to the show, to the industry, to where we are today, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to go, to where we want to 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watching bull in 92 and i'm like yo like they're eating like they are eating like they're leaving no crumbs for nobody i have to say i like that you brought up that toyota match because i didn't get a chance to read or watch any of it for this like review episode but i remember looking through a few of her other matches and like a few other opponents and like toyota had such a crazy presence because like she had the the frills everything the the red belt like the gold tassels with it it made them look like wrestling belt not like wrestling belts like boxing belts like actual world championship belts and that that's a big part of why i feel like so much of a japanese uh women's pro wrestling project and like all japan um all uh japan women's wrestling like made so much sense is that they made sure that they had the respect and like the class and the attention they needed because a lot of the way those shows work like um they just ran them like straight wrestling shows like there were no gimmicks there were no like oh little sponsorship there no they did sketches you know like the way that people do promos and segments but like they were this was a show where people were going to be watching like 80 straight wrestling they were like um what was the match i was i was nakano and and kong they were a tag team against akira and um what is it uh what's her name shinobu kandori kandori yeah it was like a tag match yeah it was it was brilliant because i'm like yo bull and kong like they really put their beef aside because they was whooping ass like that match like first of all like both of them um like what i just like about bull and really just all those other girls like there was no wasted motion in the ring like it was like it was like bull mcconnell it was ass whooping time from the get-go like yeah you were getting like yeah and launch you getting stomped on you were like dude like it was she was beating you up and she was just a perfect like the heel like her attitude her her character and she had she had the matches that people talk about now and they're like i wish i could have that like a lot of the women especially you know because even before like live morgan and like becky were trying to like really get these gimmicks over on like mainstream everybody's talking about like i want to do a hardcore match i want to do a hardcore match like one of the matches i watched i had i was re-watching it in the last hour before we recorded um bull mcconnell and uh kayoko ino versus azuka kong and bison kimura yeah in the tag match yeah in the tag match and they end the match if it first of all it's a really good match bull just gets a lot of stuff off bison kimura too i wasn't as familiar with they're really cool they get to the end of the match and they're sitting in the ring and like it's just like there are no cuts like in a way you know when they do tv wrestling in any promotion now like there's cuts there's all these reactions there's all the other people they they are barely cutting from bison and aja getting their head shaved and bison's crying you see bull and uh kayoko like they haven't left the ring and this is like you know there's blood and guts and all these different things in wrestling but like this is really like what adds that mystique like they were just doing everything like any trope in wrestling chain there's a chain match too that we could talk about for sure that bull mcconnell had against uh shinobu kandori and like you're you're seeing um bull wrap the chain around her neck and her chest and then she's climbing up to the rope and then she comes down on her and she's screaming and yelling in pain and i'm like this is it like they're not hamming up the wrong parts this is the it's the wrestling that we're focusing on here it's just all like i yeah i saw that match like a couple days ago i was watching that and then she had um uh it was bison and aja this with uh bull mcconnell and monster ripper that were in a in a cage match essentially this was when i think they they both did a dive and i think obviously asia kong like they it was like the match like it was awkward towards the end because obviously she had it she's like injured or had an injury or whatever maybe um and then they're they're rolling her out so like the ending was pretty awkward but the the lead-up to it like they were they were hitting like it did they it did yo like i said earlier it was bull mcconnell it's bust ass central when you get in the ring with her whooping ass like and i was like you know what made me realize that i really do like her a lot is that she wrestled she wrestles with no shoes on she has her toes out and i don't know if i ever told you this i fucking hate wrestlers with their toes out like that always disturbed me with matt riddle like i could never like i fucking hate that same thing with solo like i get it put some shoes on bro like umaga like when he was wrestling like that was one of the things that really bothered me because i'm like yo like what if you jam your toe what if you stub your like that shit don't hurt like it don't hurt it like it was immediately one of the reasons i knew i liked bull was when i saw her with no shoes on i was like that's the cool like that's so cool well see you got that i i noticed i was like damn she got no shoes on but i was like look that don't even bother me that's how i know bull is a 1000 percent official because i fucking hate i really that's not real i do not like put on some shoes put on some put on some socks put on something on your feet when you're wrestling i do not like that i don't like your toes out i don't i don't so i hope so you know i hope solo with his new shit with his new bloodline you know what they need to do find some shoes for him too find some shoes for him yeah he has the suit on he has all the nice clothing on but you know when it's time to do his business he doesn't need shoes he doesn't need anything i was like only bull only bull can roll that when she's the only one who can do that i fucking hate it oh my gosh i hate that i hate that but like i was saying like her gear like she fits like she would have fit in like the 2000s like y2k like can you imagine like she's coming into that era and it's like it's obviously she was there with luna when she's in wwe so she had a luna vachon with her but i mean as you're creeping in into that like like can you imagine her just tagging up like the hardys and like her gear would fucking fit she would actually fit with that with the blue hair green hair like she would fit um and then even now it's crazy because like she would fit with gen z too like just her fucking aura her style like she it's man yeah it's crazy because like you see when we get to the attitude era like a lot of different wrestlers made a point especially on the men's side to like have your hair you gotta have like your fishnet or like something or the other or you have a really clean cut like you know like borderline like wcw look like just black trunks like you know short sleeve shirt but bull and a lot of people from that era like they made a point their hair their gear the patterning of her gear because bull had the um i forget the the name of it it's like a type of um japanese like gold hair name for that sugi have you ever seen that like where they use gold to repair very expensive pieces they're like ancient and like that's the crack that you see in her face paint like that is deeply inspired people don't do or weren't doing stuff like that in the i3 era a lot of women weren't because it was just kind of boiled down to like you know you got like skimpy gear you have your long hair like whatever we i we did say earlier that i've been fucking killed oh yeah of course division oh yeah that's what i'm saying like yeah they couldn't yeah i mean what realistically what did they have um until sable came along and brought that back but like what did they really have to do so it it it feels so like we were really obviously she retired in like 97 like because of injuries and so so it's like you know i've got who knows what we would have gotten anyway if like if the wrestling living cut off and like we could still see it like at home like we we'd see shell of her anyway but like it's just going back and just looking at how fly she was like like everything that you want like everything sometimes the things that i beg from wrestlers now she just had it it just oozed off her like she is just she you know it was there like you know what i mean like i gave it it's a rapidness too yeah like she was like not yeah she she just had this real head like the match i want to talk about uh a bit was um from japanese uh women's pro wrestling project april 18 1993 is a match with devil masami and i wasn't as like into she has 800 is on cage match she wrestled around the same time um she primarily in japan for jw but she had like a couple of standing feuds you know pretty high stakes with bull um this this match specifically 40 minutes like from the very moment they start bull is just like layering it or her in the head they're running into each other they're hard selling and like the match goes about 37 ish minutes and bull wins but well always remember it is like it's it's 32 minutes into the match they're just going and going and like you think that they're both like like gasped but bull just she's like kind of head into devil's chest and like a stomach like on top of her but they're both on the floor she just picks her up by her legs full standing power bomb and just power bombs right and then gets up picks her up puts her in a finisher puts her in a hold takes her over like she just has this it is unreal does it you know forget like guys girls whoever whatever like this is about just this like deep deep intensity and a lot of the times like you know not that you'll see like wrestling you just see i feel like you just i'm more used to seeing wrestlers like get like gassed or like it feeling more of like a work when they get get gassed but like there's just something so desperate about those later stages of the bull matches i was able to watch earlier this week and today i was like damn like she's just work she was working out there yeah like with her and um like the tag match i was talking about earlier with her when uh her and kong got the team up against um kendori and hokuto um like that was just brilliant storytelling on both sides like you know bull and in asia have to pull put their beef aside and well and you know just be the big badasses that they are against akira and kendori who are like who were also beefing and was like yo can we coexist and it's like well at this moment we're getting our ass beat so we we have to coexist right now because we're because they're whooping our ass and like we got like we have nothing there's nothing else we can do other than like let's rock it together for now i'll screw up with you later but i gotta i gotta get bull and kong out of here and i just love that match i just think it's kind of crazy how bull was just in the fold of like so many other legendary wrestlers like it's real crazy how obviously not our time and obviously a lot of those matches in japan so people if they know they know if they don't they don't but it's like in the wrestling world or lexicon it's like yo she's so fucking important and yeah she was right in her hall of fame speech when she's like it took you long enough to acknowledge me because it's like yo for real like she should have been been in the hall of fame been inducted because it's like you like there's never going to be another bull like you can't duplicate that you can't duplicate that swagger that style that nothing and it's just i guess it just so happens to be you know just the era that she was in and it's like you look at the influences now obviously with asuka eosukai kairi saint just all the japanese girls and by the way i think wwe i think they're planning to do a ple in japan which is going to be dope um but it's like sick yeah it's just like yo like bull like and i'm in all like i can't i might i wanted to ask you this actually too is like it who are a couple matches that you'd like to like if you could pluck bull mcconnell whatever 1991 1992 version of bull bringer in 2024 who would you like to see her face because i was thinking of that i was like yo yeah i was like there's a lot of there's like i was like bull yo put bull against fucking chris statlander i was like yo that's a match janey hater that's all against chris that's a match bull against shana baszler i feel like they would get so much out of each other they would get busy they get busy her against absolutely i was like we getting um you know what would be cool too um yeah her against mercedes like basler base is actually a real good one too i didn't want to go to a good one i didn't want to go the obvious of eosukai or asuka because i think that's people haven't discussed that yeah that should be automatic a little but i was just even thinking just you know what i just for just for how brutal she was i'd like to see her against bianca like i'd love to see that like that'd be a nice strong i would love to see her yeah absolutely and i i would be interesting to see what that that that type of match like that would require bianca to bring out some other things and then obviously be super athletic and stuff but i'd be curious to see that and then i was like a low-key sleeper that would hit is bull mcconnell versus trish stratus i was like bull mcconnell versus trish bull versus trish i always said because this was from my preferences back when you know everybody loves trish really bull versus mickey james you get bull mcconnell 1992 versus mickey james summer 2007 places on the building is on fire we're eating good we're eating very good we're eating like that sounds like i was like damn that's so many dream matches right there alone and we didn't even get to like ria and i'd be interested i'd be curious to see how that'd work because they have they have sort of similar styles it's just in terms of gear and presentation almost very obviously the language barrier is a thing but like bull is menacing in her way and ria is menacing and like they're both menacing and powerhouses in their own way and they bring that same thing to the table and they're you know they're dark gear they're eccentric like bria has all the tattoos and the chains and obviously bull has her face her hair like you know they have they have different um very notable things about them that they bring visually like not we're not even getting to the ring yet and i'm like it'd be interesting to see how they'd work in the ring and i obviously i think they they would do well because i ria to me she seems like someone who rises to the occasion of her moments whenever she has big moments she rises to the occasion and then that's partly also why i wanted to see a bull in trish match because to me trish has always been a person who on the bright lights whatever it may be she trish has an interesting quality to me where she can raise the it's like in basketball where certain players can raise the floor of their team so it's like they're not going to be really bad like they're when you bring them on the team they're going to be they're going to be all right but they can't necessarily raise the ceiling where they're not going to necessarily give you the championship or even you know bring you to the finals but you know they'll raise the floor on you you know so yeah you'll excel to a certain extent but they're not necessarily going to push the ceiling trish to me yeah trish to me can do can do both at the same sometimes at the same time where like she'll raise the floor in her match yes but also she can really push the ceiling too like she's an odd like she's odd in that way where it works for her and i noticed that for her like i really know for her and becky and that still cage match i was like okay like she would really like like imagine her and bull in a still cage match yeah that would that would go ultra hard i like that idea too because i think i think somebody like trish has that ability and i think that that's a big hallmark of why i became such a big fan of like some of the the newer women now like bianca like eo where it's like they can operate inside of the space in a manner where they're they're elevating everything around them and even if it's not the 10 out of 10 you're not getting a dud you're not getting yourself into a pinch and i i think that is something that that's like a big thing that people will remember about bull right is like everything she incorporate herself into like the intensity immediately conveyed the seriousness the aura the presence um the environment was a big part of that too i think that's what they're really getting right about the booking now as opposed to the booking over the last 20 years with the women it's a reason why bull would succeed so extremely in this environment is because you don't have to talk you don't have to make a catchphrase you don't have to do something like bull would come out she would come out with like stitches she'd have a broken tooth i'm sure her hair would still be like matted in blood from the night before and she would barely cut a promo and i'm talking about like if this was like next week on raw like and that would be it or like on you know dynamite or wherever and and i think that that is what makes a wrestler truly great it's not just like all the promotion everything around it like when trish walks into the ring you immediately feel the weight of her presence when when oscar walks in the ring you immediately feel the stakes of what a win or a loss is going to mean like you know when wrestlers can portray that or and actually could make that uh easy to sense for a fan or a non-fan like you've already done so much work i think what would make bull like she'd be she'd exist sort of in the same space as oscar where oscar is just so fucking cool that like unless she does something really really crazy like you don't really boo her right you don't like in fact like if oscar like really put on an ass whooping you're gonna cheer like you're gonna cheer if she's really put it on like a clinical ass whooping you're gonna cheer for oscar and i find that bill mcconnell like in today's space she'd be a fusion of like an oscar and nia jax like if you were to fuse the two together like just with the heelish mentality and it's like and oscar doesn't like if if oscar never showed she could never talk but she's just like yo i'm showing up i'm whooping your ass and i'm leaving like she means business like that's all oscar needs and that's similar to a bull would always need and it's like what nia jax does now right like she doesn't necessarily need to talk that when she talks if she talks that's what it is but if nia jax didn't talk and she's like yo i'm gonna beat your ass in the back i'm gonna beat your i'm gonna interfere in your match and i'm beating your ass what are you gonna do about it what are you gonna do like bull mcconnell and and then on top of that she would do that and then look fly as hell look so fucking fly like what are you gonna say to her look fly and what are you gonna say like what do you like the ultimate presentation right there like how what are you gonna say to her oh i would say people like it would be almost similar to how asuka when she was kind of still like that is something about uh asuka i remember learning about and i was like damn she was so good that like she was basically like people were actively trying you know some people would either try really try to wrestle her like to prove something or people be like i'm not wrestling her i'm about to ruin my entire career getting in the room with her like i'm about to look like i don't want to do that to myself because you see the way bull just puts it on go like she's not waiting around for anybody either you you gotta follow her like i'm dragging you with me like i don't i don't know about you but we got to get this going and i just love how she just whooped just whooped your ass like all day long um i was like because the the first time i discovered bull was obviously the infamous leg drop like off the fucking cage and it's like you saw edge like two weeks ago do some elbow drop and like completely shatter his fucking leg and it's like i'm watching bull and mind you this is like the end of the match like she climbs up she like does a little prayer thing and she's like and she just jumps and then she hits asia con yeah just hits asia con with her leg drop and then like literally bounces back up and then climbs up because it was a stipulation was a still cage and you had escaped to win and i'm like yo the fact that she just like popped up like that like i know she was she had been dying after that match but like you know fucking cool that look like you ate that like you ate that all the way but that's where i first discovered yeah but that's where i first discovered bull because i'm like yo who the fuck is that like you just ledge off the top like that and not even not even like a cell of like oh like not it was an immediate boom boom up and just let me hurry up and get out and then like come on i was like you can't you see so many pictures of her like i remember like something i was just so curious was when i was younger getting into wrestling i would just she's you know you watch enough wrestling and i watched like a decent bit of like ring of honor and like dna and it would bleed all the time and i genuinely was just like thinking in my head i was like a 12 year old like do they ever let the women bleed and i remember googling like women wrestlers blood in match or like bleeding in match and one of the only things that came up was bull in one of her matches with aja and like she is standing in the middle of the ring i'm sure it was like a chain like match like it's the occasion she's just like it's not even like a little bit or like a cut like it's just like yeah and i was like holy what the hell is that who's that i just love her rival reasons again like the kong like toyota like she i cannot believe during that time like those those are your rivals like those are the fucking people like who are now like certified legends legends right and i mean to my move and i mean toyota could be probably like if you say she's the best she's a goat then she's a like you know what i mean like it's tough to be like no she's not because if you say she's a goat yeah like i'm not gonna argue with you that she's not but i'm like thinking about bull had to face her and face her when she was young too like just coming up like when she's like a she was like maybe a teenager maybe like 20 or something like that when she first faced her um but like look how young she was when she's in there with bull to see to like obviously hindsight 2020 we're looking at her career in totality that's like yo bull for the red bell bull was like that's you she was there for that like bull like i it's just such a golden age and i'm really mad that that like promotion doesn't exist really anymore um but it's just like insane to kind of watch those matches back and be like yo like did she was she aware of like how fly she was and like did she realize that like these people are going to change like the industry with me like i'm going to talk about these matches like that leg job is infamous like did like you know what i mean it's just like did she think that like oh this is gonna get like live in infamy this is all my match is going to be like out of like in japan like the fact that like people in wrestling revere her and revere them in such a way in 2024 like it's crazy like it's really cool to know that like and you know like in they're doing this in you know the early 90s so they're just doing it for the love of the game and the check whatever comes with it but like they're really like who was doing this before them to be like oh i want to like like how you mentioned earlier about how all the women are like i want a hardcore match i want to do you know like the brick breakers on the road so like they're reaching for a match like that meanwhile bullying them girls they're like yo it's tuesday night let's get it cracking yeah like let's do like there's 2 000 people in there like we gotta get this done let's cook that was it like that was enough but yeah we're cooking like there was no i mean i want to try to like no we're gonna cook tonight like we're gonna cook we're gonna do our own put our fucking foot in it and you're gonna remember our match and on top of that like every match she had that i saw was like 35 minute 40 minute match like they were going are long yeah he is working there he goes to work she's working she's like nah i'm getting my full cardio in tonight full cardio and lifting i'm pulling these bitches out like i when i was um um just reviewing it was her and alondra blaze i believe that was summer slam like 94 i think but like the match the match starts and like the first 10 seconds she took alondra and just swung her by there and you heard the crowd like oh like you hear you hear an audible like from the crowd like and then bull did it again and the crowd was like oh like does alondra landed so nasty like she landed nasty in that i'm like nah like she's really like it's it's crazy like i can't believe like as a long time wrestling fan yeah she didn't care yeah she didn't care like a long time wrestling fan i feel so like annoyed that so much of women's wrestling was robbed from like me for such a long long long long time because obviously just being a young man and watching wrestling like i was like only four years old in 97 so it's not like i could sit here and watch like wcw and all that stuff and but even in wcw was like what was three like by the time i was like watching wrestling like with the memory of like oh last week this at that it's like 2000 so i'm like seven years old so by that time like what wcw is pretty much done like you got a year left or so but you're you're done so like growing up all i had was really wwe right like rufus aggression i mean i started watching during attitude era but rufus aggression is really my era and then so on and so forth and it's just like throughout like think about like so i remember like trish lita and all that stuff and then really after they kind of retired i didn't really have anything to look at other than like michelle mccool and layla it was like um lay cool and them and then that's right around like you know the the diva search and then you get like the bella twins are coming in and naomi and like all those things it's happening but it's like that you know the divas championship and i'm like i like okay and it's like you don't get the full you don't get the full and this is yeah you don't get the full like whatever's going on so i'm just like when when i when you when you did radio and i was like oh let me jump back into wrestling like i didn't know charlotte flair was wrestling at the time and that's the reason why i took even a look in and that's why i stayed like i i looked at wrestling and the reason why i stayed was because the woman i'm like oh yeah y'all really working y'all really moving and i think like a few years earlier that's when i had discovered um bull had i been like 2009 10 like when i really was like let me do my googles and like really just look like take advantage of the internet and see what the fuck's up on youtube um and seeing what's out there um um but yeah that's when i discovered bull and i'm like i'm so happy that you know i i discovered her because through that it was a vessel through japan because i was aware there was wrestling in japan because china was my favorite wrestler and when she left wwe i was like yo where the fuck is she and then she's in japan so i look i was like okay so it's wrestling out there but i didn't until i really like looked at bull i was like oh y'all was really it was graphs it was real graphs out there yeah you know like i i remember when you first joined my show and it was around the time that like nxt was still like black and gold like you know the four horse women they were really trying to get their feet onto them and as a product like i think a lot of people were of the opinion that work rate in wwe was going down and it was men and women you know women had been in a certain place for a long time via circumstance and men had been trending down because some of the guys were getting older and some of the guys that were younger just weren't getting shine and they weren't getting time out there to you know do business and i think what happened is that when the matches for women started getting longer because there had been attempts to more make them more gimmicky and more extreme or flashy but when they started letting them do more traditional 18 to 22 minute like tv main eventers or like you know house show main events and then they eventually graduated to like half hour classics and like iron man matches like with sasha and bailey that's still my my favorite or it's my site and one of my favorite matches just all time in general but um it it really does show like how that influence can run really deep when you have a figure like this because like with bull a lot of you know we look at the back half of her career or at the very least the last 100 matches last year she came to america to work mainly live shows for wwf in 94 and then when she dropped the title to a launcher blaze in poughkeepsie new york uh april 3rd 1995 she did a couple of wc she did some wcw stuff and then she was done and you know it really is just everything getting isolated around what is is a nice thought which is like you know u.s and japan like reaching across there's this this clash of worlds but nothing actually materialized in the greater context of the feud what i do appreciate is that people are getting a lot of people like alundra and bold respect but when you talk about someone like bull mcconnell it's so much deeper than it was a trailblazer for international no she was one of the best wrestlers in the concentration of her prime ever like she did everything you could ask a wrestler to do she was out there working like you know brian danielson's unborn ghost out there like just doing crazy stuff like she was just hitting people hard slamming people bladed like what what do you want you know her fifth match fifth to last match so mind you she did the 2012 match for um kyoko ino's 25th anniversary and then her official last match was minami toyota's retirement match in 2017 for uh her 30th anniversary um the last three matches bulleted with wcw where a loser smashes the opponent smashes the opponent's bike match at the uh rally and race in south dakota they did a saturday night at wcw at wcw hog wild 96 it is a racing themed pay-per-view that they ran i'm assuming is what this is yes that is what the main event of course guess guess who's in the main event well it's not hogan yet right you said no the main event talk cooking's defeating the giant the wcw championship it has a full two all of the worst matches on the show yeah that's the point this is the point is like a lot of this woman's uh twilight in the american conscious and the wrestling conscious was spent on the back of a lot of nonsense and that is that's truly where the crime begins you know obviously there was all the time in between to honor her and respect her which i think wrestlers have done like oscar like eo but it's everything in between where you know you just see somebody fall off the consciousness and eventually we're here yeah i was happy uh obviously when she got her induction we were in philly for wrestlemania i was so fucking pissed there was no like specific shirts of her like that i could find no like if there was let me know because i didn't see anything i was so mad like they gave us a whole hall of fame no i was like no i want a bull nakano shirt that's why i'm here i wanted like i was so bad i disrespected her too yeah i didn't like that yeah that was that was crazy to do that for someone for someone obviously we do an episode on her but so legend like to have matches like that like like on record and then for to do that like in a hall of fame like that was real whack um but that's just american audiences for you right because you know but yeah that was real whack for someone who has such like a crazy bag of matches where you're like you pull out a few and it's like a like hey you know what i mean um so i didn't i didn't yeah i really didn't like that um i mean obviously they wanted paul heyman but to just leave and ditch after yeah yeah i didn't i didn't appreciate that it was very yeah but i mean listen even the people i stayed could have like could have had a little more to say like people could have cheered and made a noise like i did see people leave which um you know i mean we were not watching the hall of fame after bull was done we also stopped watching uh but like yeah yeah we had we had a show to go to that a wrestling show to go to which we'll talk about yeah we're doing a lot of stuff yeah we will talk about actually um uh yeah it was just a lot of stuff going on but um speaking of like when we're watching the bull the hall of fame i believe where did we have to go was it was that the gcw night it was for the culture three yeah it was for the culture three so um this is actually a great segue because uh our upcoming episodes will be on uh one rising star in the industry jada stone who we saw at at gcw and then we saw her again at swv uh or svw suplex vintage wrestling at svw um suplex vintage wrestling for those of you in philadelphia who want like wrestling gear vintage shit go there it's in philly um but she was wrestling there too so we got to see her back-to-back days and we didn't even realize that but she's such an incredible fucking wrestler just talented so the these next episode this next episode uh you're gonna see her we're gonna talk about her just our excitement for her what we saw we might post some clips of what we have of her from mania weekend and then your boy chuck taylor chuck taylor you know it's it is very apropos because unfortunately chuck had to retire he just had an interview with renee paquette formerly known as ray young um and i love something that chuck said because it does give all of us you know long-standing chicara pwg and now aw fans some hope you know he he said something along the lines of you know i'm gonna heal i'm gonna take some time off and you know there's surgeries you can get and get the surgery and if i heal you know there have been other people who have wrestled again after telling after getting told that they had a career ending injury so you know the story is over for now but it's a story that's very long it's very influential chuck has touched so many of the favorites that people's has careers candace lauray to talk about a woman like cedric alexander to talk about a man who gets uh not nearly enough credit for some of the stuff he was doing uh before uh he started his wwe tv career uh kevin owens sammy zane in the box roger strong adam cole the list goes on we will go down the list when we get to him in our next episodes he also my favorite part about him he seems to be a fuck them kids specialist so that's what i do like about him too so we'll uh give him a guy it's working so yeah so that's what you could look forward to in our upcoming our next few episodes featuring uh we're gonna talk about jay stone chuck taylor and then uh we will also give you just a recap of our manual weekend and like how that went so stay tuned for those episodes so i want you guys to know thank you guys for listening obviously we enjoy talking about bull and how raw she is and we're going to get to some of these other people that we mentioned too as we're talking about bull in this episode um but like for me bull just opened up my wrestling and to look into japan and just realized no it's not only wwe it's not only us it is really worldwide so she definitely opened it up for me to explore and take a look and see what's out there yeah and for me you know bull was just somebody that very early on i i could gain a deeper appreciation for wrestling for and she's somebody who i realized like you know if i hadn't had that exposure to someone like her to someone like asia kong so early on in my time watching wrestling like i don't know that i've been as interested or as um you know ready to accept the onboarding of the women's uh you know uptick in wrestling exposure and i think she's someone who's so necessary to laying that groundwork down and just as far as hard nose true graphs goes like she embodies it she's hardcore to the max yes all the way she is we uh sometimes trip you know people throw around words but cheryl blazer fits her all the way um and she she definitely blazed it like i said in her own style her own hair with her toes out with her toes out i was out exposed but she stayed fly and she stayed ruthless and she let us know a ain't nobody fucking with bull mcconnell so thank you guys for listening to this episode once again we have more in store for you and we are really excited so thank you guys once again have a good night
