It's not Teleportation, It's Astral Projection

The two millennials, Amy and Rachel, are discussing their passion for the creepy, true crime, and their favorite spirits. They introduce their theme for the day, astral projection, and discuss a cocktail they will call a cosmic Cosmo. They then provide a definition of astral projection as an intentional out-of-body experience. They mention its ancient origins in Egyptian and Hindu cultures, as well as its existence in Inuit and Japanese mythology. They also touch on the spiritual boom of the 19th and 20th centuries and the belief in multiple bodies of man. They acknowledge the lack of scientific evidence for astral projection but note that many people claim to have had similar experiences. Hello, I'm Amy and I'm Rachel, and we're just two millennials who share a passion for the creepy and the spooky, harbor a true love for true crime, and share our favorite spirits. So sit back and have a cocktail with two creepy ghouls. Oh my god, I totally memorized that. That was really good. You did a fantastic job. I know, and I thought I was going to get distracted because I just put a salted caramel in my mouth. No, I think it helped start you off on the right track. Okay, going forward, note each three salted caramels before we start. I mean, that sounds like a plan to me. I'm not even kidding. I just, like, did it all, and then I went, shut the front door, I got it right. That's amazing. I know! You should be an actor. You know what? It's not too late. It's never too late. I will get discovered. What's our theme today, our discussion today, and the drink to go with it? So we're going to be discussing astral projection. Lovely. And we'll go into more of the fine details on what that is exactly. I knew very little about that, to be honest. I only knew it from Insidious. Oh, of course. So that's where I got the whole idea for this. But we're going to go into our cocktail, and you know what? We could call it a cosmic Cosmo. Get out! We are going to call it that. Yeah. Yeah, as we should. So I'm going to read the ingredients off of one recipe I found. Okay. And I feel like a Cosmo, there's going to be different variations on how people do it. So for this one, I found it was basically one ounce of vodka, one ounce of cranberry juice, and they say unsweetened, and then a half ounce of Cointreau, the orange liqueur that we used, I believe, at the last episode for our pomegranate martini. And then you also use a half ounce of lime juice, a lime wedge, one teaspoon of simple syrup, and a lime wheel to garnish. Now, here's where I'm going to flip the script. So I'm going to do vodka. Okay. And I'm going to do a cranberry juice blend. So maybe a cranberry pineapple or a cranberry watermelon, just one of the cranberries that has, like, maybe another flavor in it to give it some extra oomph. Okay. The Cointreau. And I'm going to use, actually, instead of just, like, regular lime juice, do sweetened lime juice. And I do not have limes. I bought lemons. That's all right. Yeah, so I'm going to flip the script and do, like, maybe throw in, like, a lemon, like, rim the glass with, like, some lemon, maybe. Maybe even do, like, put a little sugar rim on it with the lemon. I like it. And then throw in the lemon to garnish, like, lemon peel to garnish. And then just maybe add, I don't even know, maybe just a teeny bit of simple syrup just because I already used the lime by the Rose's Lime Juice, and it's already sweetened. Okay. So you don't want it to be, like, too, too sweet when you're drinking syrup. No, that's gross. And that way it's out of this world and will take you to another plane. Another dimension, if you will. Another dimension. So that will help. Did you know that Cosmo was the first alcoholic drink I ever ordered? I did not know that. Was it good? It was good. I remember I got tipsy at a Cheddar's. Cheddar's? Like, two drinks. Because I think that in any kind of restaurant, like a Cheddar's or an Applebee's, I think you have maybe a two to three drink minimum. Like, that's all you can order. You can't get, like, shit face. But I remember I had a Cosmo. It was the first drink I ordered because I was doing that as an ode to Sex and the City. Oh, okay. I see that. So that is why I ordered that. And I remember I ordered a painkiller, and I remember I was feeling groovy that night. I bet you were. My young 21-year-old self. I'm still learning it, though. I'm still learning. But just a little fun factor. A new learning. You know, you learn something every day. You do. You do. So can you give me a definition for gastral projection? Yeah. And I got this off of Wikipedia because I think it described it in the most succinct way. Like an astral projection for dummies kind of way? Yes. Because it's also known as astral travel, which kind of helped me kind of figure it out. It's a term used in esotericism to describe an intentional out-of-body experience that assumes the existence of a subtle body known as an astral body or body of light, through which consciousness can function separately from the physical body, i.e., the astral plane. So I think about it when the best way I think to describe it is like say someone dies on an operating table, and then they float above and they see themselves down being operated on. That plane where they see themselves floating above their bodies is the best way to describe what an astral plane is. Does that help? Astral projection? Even though that wasn't intentional, but we'll say intentionally. I mean, I can see that as another example. I always just think of it as like you're sleeping or you're in a relaxed state in your body. You go out of your body for an out-of-body experience. Yes. So another thing I have is the idea of astral travel is ancient and occurs in actual multiple cultures. It was coined and promoted by the 19th century theists, which are kind of like an off-brand of Buddhists, I believe, and is sometimes associated with dreams and forms of meditation. So that's why they're like when you've come to like full nirvana, you can astral project in like Buddhism. But, sorry, where was I? Some individuals have reported perceptions similar to descriptions of astral projection that were induced through various hallucinogenic or hypnotic means. There is no scientific evidence that there is a consciousness whose embodied functions are separate from the normal neural activity or that one can consciously leave the body and make observations. It's known as a pseudoscience because it's kind of hard to collaborate, if you will. But then I kind of like what they did further in Wikipedia. They talked about different cultures or like places. So I was going to talk about that a little bit. I do know. I did see that. Did you know astral projection has been documented dating back as far as the ancient Egyptian times and the astral body was referred to as the Ka, which I remember you spoke about. Yeah. I wanted to say that little tidbit. It's a little callback. Because you touched on it whenever we discussed mummies. I remember the Ka and the Ba. Yeah. So the first thing they talked about is ancient Egypt, which you were saying. The ancient Egypt's teachings present the soul Ba as having the ability to hover outside a physical body via the Ka, K-A, or the subtle body. Because they were all about that afterlife and everything. Mm-hmm. And then in some Inuit groups, individuals with special capabilities known as, I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's A-N-G-A-K-K-U-Q. Anakun? Yeah. Are said to be able to travel to mythological, remote places and report their experiences and important matters back to their community. Like the wizarding world? Kind of, yeah. Those abilities would be unavailable to individuals with normal capabilities. Normies, if you will. Muggles. And then these people were said to have the ability to stop bad hunting luck. Or heal a sick person, which I love. Then you have the Hindus. Similar to the ideas found in ancient Hindu scriptures. Modern Indians who have vouched for astral projection include someone's name who witnessed someone else doing a miracle through a possible astral projection. But then they didn't want to go and describe what it was, so I was a little upset about that. Come on, Wikipedia, get together. And then in Japanese mythology, an Ikiryo, I-K-I-R-Y-O, is a manifestation of the soul of a living person separately from their body. Traditionally, someone who holds a sufficient grudge against another person is believed that a part of the whole of their soul can temporarily leave their body and appear before the target of their hate in order to curse or otherwise harm them. Similar to an evil eye. Souls are also believed to leave a living body when the body is extremely sick or comatose. Hence the, like, on the deathbed thing. But these such Ikiryo, I'm so sorry, non-production, are not malevolent, so they're not evil. So that's really all I have for, like, the description of astral projection. Cool. I do have a little, some tidbits that I got for a little backstory kind of thing. And so I was going to say, I saw that a survey suggests that 8 to 20% of people claim to have had something akin to an out-of-body experience, a sensation of the consciousness, spirit, or astral body leaving the physical body. And most occur during sleep or in a meditative state. And in the spiritual boom of the 19th and 20th century, the idea came from a 19th century mystical system called Theosy, which claims that we have seven bodies from the lowest physical to the highest spiritual mental bodies. The Theosysical Society was founded in New York in 1875 by Helena Blotowski, who claimed to have traveled the world, studied with Tibetan gurus, contacted the dead, and learned to reach higher planes, which Hindus and, as you discussed, Buddhists have done. And Theosy teaches that there are seven bodies of man. The third is the astral body, which can leave the physical. And this was originally a private, quasi-religious meditative practice, like many New Age beliefs. And practitioners and those that claim to have astral traveled insist it is real due to how vivid their experiences are. And the experiences tend to be very similar for everyone. And it is thought that this is due to guided imagery, when an authority, for example, a psychologist, tells a person what they should expect from the experience. So the issue we seem to encounter is that there is no scientific way to measure when a person's soul leaves or enters their body. Many believe these experiences are due to imagination and dreaming, since there is no scientific evidence that the consciousness can exist outside of the brain. So I do have, like, that's kind of like the scientific way of it. So, let's see. I was just going to touch on some more. Did you know that many psychiatric disorders, brain dysfunctions, and altered psychological states are associated with the phenomenon of out-of-body experiences? No. But an out-of-body experience has been linked to various brain lesions, especially in the parietal and temporal regions of the brain. Psychiatric disorders, severe emotional states, such as near-death experience, substance use, migraine, epilepsy. And a few have been reported in dissociative identity disorder, which I'm not sure if we want to, like, I can go ahead and talk about this briefcase I have on dissociative identity disorder. And it is the case of a 15-year-old male patient who described an experience where he found himself floating outside his own body while he visualized his own body from a third-person perspective. And upon further inspection, it was found that the patient was diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder and dissociative fugue. The patient improved after undergoing, let's see, hypnosis and relaxation, training with psychotherapy. And the dissociative disorders occur due to an internal conflict between ego and self when a person is unable to successfully repress a traumatic experience memory, leading to an altered state of perception and described by a patient as an out-of-body experience. And I do have a more detailed story regarding the 15-year-old. Yeah. So I took screenshots because I just didn't feel like doing it. That's what you do. Yeah, that is what you do. It's the lazy girl's way of taking notes. Please. So the patient was a 16-year-old male child belonging to an urban middle socioeconomic class who was living with his father. His mother had abandoned him as a child. He presented to the Department of Psychiatry with his father, who reported that the child had frequently run away from home in the past three to four years. He had started behaving differently and had shown decreased social interest, irritability, and persistent sadness of mood for the past two to three months. The father reported that after the patient's most recent disappearance from home, he had been contacted by police officials of another state. One month after the patient had run away, they had informed him that the patient was at a child care facility and could be picked up there. The patient described after he had run away, he would assume the identity of an 18-year-old Mr. S who was an electrician. During interviews, the patient described an unusual experience where he had found himself to be floating outside his own body while he visualized his own body from a third-person perspective. This incident occurred during one of the few states in another city. He described being inside a hospital room with doctors who were questioning him about his current state. Later, he felt someone else had occupied his body and had left his body and floated up to the ceiling and was completely detached from his body. From his angle, he had been able to visualize his own body, which had been very clear, while the parasympathetic body had not been well-defined and he could only see its hands. He had tried tirelessly to reach back to his original self, but had been unable to do so. So, let's see, the patient's past history revealed, let's see, and the episode had only lasted for a short period of time, about 10-15 minutes, and as estimated by the patient, during which he had remained in the air observing his original self and in very little control of the parasympathetic body, the original self had been replying briefly to the interviewers, as for the patient, as he described it, was not him. He was in control of his original self. The patient's, you know, given his past history revealed he had fled from his residence on three occasions, but he did not remember the reason for fleeing. His medical history was negative for symptoms of epilepsy, migraine, syncope, cerebral vascular accident, neurological deficit, and there was no history of episodes of hyperorexia warranting admission. No psychiatric illness or substance dependence was present in the family, and his mother had left home when he had been a year old. His upbringing was done by his father. He was living with a joint family, and as per the patient, the relationship between family members were not conjugal. Also, as per the patient, his father was very aggressive, short-tempered, and frequently hit him brutally, and he had been sustained multiple injuries as well. This was why he frequently ran away, according to the patient. So, as we've discussed, you know, he was – that's a very traumatic upbringing for a child, you know, memory leading to an altered state of perception. So, that makes out and that checks out with his, you know, out-of-body experience kind of why he had that dissociative identity disorder, just because of dealing with very tragic or traumatic experience and then kind of dissociating with it. Yeah. That's a good story. Yeah, it's interesting, and I was like, oh, but I know that you have a doozy of a story, too. It's easy to leave it. I got this from, like, I never ever go on Reddit, but I thought it was the best Reddit story or, like, the best place to find this story. So, I had to give credit to Crimes from the East. That's the name of the Reddit thread or the person. I don't really know how Reddit works. I'll be real honest. I don't really – I think people can just post their story. Yeah, yeah. It's everywhere, yeah. But I think – so, this takes place in India, and I think this person, like, helped translate it and stuff. Mm-hmm. Because all the other articles I saw were kind of short and little snippets. This one, I think, gave the best synopsis or – not synopsis, but kind of what happened, if you will. Mm-hmm. So, let's go all the way back to April 8th, 2017. So, not too long ago. Yeah, not at all. Neighbors of a quiet, mysterious, dark home in Nantankode, Kerala – I'm so sorry. It's in the southern tip of India. Okay. So, neighbors spotted smoke spilling out of the closed doors and windows. Alarmed by this, the fire department was called out once, and when the first responders broke into the home, they came upon the burning bodies of four people in the home. They had all been hacked to death, were in various stages of decomposition, and had been hacked into multiple pieces. The deceased were ID'd as Raja, who was 60, a retired college professor, his wife, Dr. Jean Padma, 58, a retired cardiologist, daughter Caroline, 26, a medical student, and a visually impaired relative, Lalitha, who was 70, who was living at the home with the family at this time. Conspicuously missing from the home was the 30-year-old son of the couple, Kadel. That's how I pronounce it, but I hope it's not – any of those were mispronounced. Be on the lookout, or bolos, if you will, were put out for Kadel as a person of interest. Well, duh, because he's the only remaining, like, family member left and missing. They almost immediately suspected that Kadel had something to do with this horrific crime spree. The cops felt that they had their person of interest, except he was nowhere to be found. His phone was switched off for two days, so he kind of knew what he was doing, while the Corolla Crime Branch looked for him and inquired around to get more information about the family. The neighbors, or various relatives of the family, had come forward to share their thoughts and speculations with the investigation. They said the family was a quiet one that kept to themselves. They lived in an ominous-looking dark home, where the doors and windows were often shut, and the shrubs all unkept, overgrown. The family didn't socialize too much, especially Kadel, with whom nobody seemed to know much about. Kadel, who lived at home with his parents, never came out or talked to anyone. Many people had hardly seen him in years. He was a total recluse who lived in his room, perpetually playing and allegedly developing violent video games. Video games have been blamed for many criminal acts in young teenagers and youth in most cases, and justly so. This is in India, but it's also very prevalent in America. In this case, the violence seemed to be lurking within Kadel, and just waiting to be played out in the worst way. Game over. Kadel suffered from academic failure throughout his life, but he was 30 at this time, so I don't know. Despite which, his parents pushed him into medical school and engineering college in Australia, both of which he dropped out of rather promptly. It is possible that he had some kind of learning disorder, is possibly neurodivergent in some way, and did not seem to have received critical specialized support in his early years. So after two days of his phone being off, it was switched back on, and to the cop's surprise, he was heading from somewhere, Chennai, I believe, back to the scene of night crime, his house. They caught him with no restraint. In fact, he was grinning from ear to ear, nonstop. Then began his shocking confession. Kadel was calm and cool as he relayed his horrifying tale to Smilin's face. He claimed to be an advanced master of astral projection, who could leave his body whenever he wanted. He had wished to liberate his family from their physical bodies so they could astral travel as well, and so he planned their murders months in advance. That's chilling. He bought an axe online a month prior. Then he purchased a machete from the local market. A week before the murders, he purchased a can of gasoline, and then practiced smashing boulders with the hatchet in his backyard. You wouldn't have thought that was suspicious? Nope. On April 5th, he called his mother up to his room by lying to her about having made a new video game. Because he also made video games too. Like designed them? Yeah. They didn't go into too much detail about that. As soon as she sat down, he struck her with the hatchet, rained down multiple blows to ensure she was dead, wiped the blood, and dragged the body to the bathroom. When his father and sister got back home from the market, he called them up one by one using the same ruse, same technique, and the same devastating result. Death. He then stayed in his room for the next three days, sleeping, playing games, and ordering food from the local restaurants, making sure to order for five people so as to avoid suspicion. I mean, that... See, he's thinking it through. He did that. He turned off his phone. After three days, he suddenly remembered his aunt was left helpless with no one to care for her. So he had her have the same cruel fate as they did. How the fuck do you forget about her for three days? Jeez Louise. So the place where they live in India, in the southernmost tip, is hot and humid, and soon the bodies began to decompose. Yeah. Flies and the sense of death pervaded the upper floors of the home. Cadell decided he had to move on to phase two of his plan, which was to burn the bodies, and just as he did so, the smoke alerted the neighbors, who called the fire department ASAP. He fled with just his phone in his hand. Strangely enough, Cadell had built a shoddy effigy of himself, of junk, metal, and old clothes, and left that in the fire next to the bodies. He said the family's souls would enter into his dummy and make him supremely powerful. He was returning to his home because he felt his family's souls would be free by now, and waiting for him delightful and joyous. After a few days, Cadell pivoted his confession and said he was a Satan worshipper, and had killed his family to please him. His mind was not sound, and the police weren't sure if he was fit to stand trial. That wasn't the end of it. He also relayed a tale of his miserable life being the failure of a son of such successful parents. He said his parents were humiliated and embarrassed of him, and wanted to keep him out of public view. He felt unwanted and unloved. So there's like all these excuses, I really like the astral projection one, obviously. We can't say if any of that is true. Police consulted psychologists and doctors, who concluded that Cadell displayed schizoid personality and was in deep psychosis due to uncontrolled, uncontreated mental illness for so long. However, the decision whether to exempt him from criminal court cases still not fully made public. He was kept in custody in a mental asylum, and was heard talking to himself all the time. He was found in his room having a seizure in 2018. There are no more updates about him in the media. It is highly likely that Cadell had been suffering from mental illness his whole life and never received the care he needed. Mental illness carries a lot of stigma, especially in Asia. It's seen as a sign of weakness and seeking help is shameful. Thankfully, with the new generation, there's growing efforts to de-stigmatize seeking therapy and medical care for all forms of mental health. So it's kind of depressing. Yeah, that is. And unfortunately, this was the one that had all, like, the most information, and it really only talks a little bit about astral projection, because I don't think they released too much about, like, what he said he experienced with that, how he did it, things along those lines, unfortunately. Gotcha. But seriously, there's not too many... No, there really isn't a lot of cases. I thought we would find more, like, stories. No, I did too, but I'm excited about your movie suggestions when we get to that, because I'm pretty sure that will be plenty. Yeah, I do have some. And I know one in particular you've seen, and I'm sure you're going to have some take on that. But I do have directions on how to astral project. Oh, please do. So this is one article I read, and so they explain it in seven steps, and they make it seem more like a very relaxing, meditative state, like I would have mentioned earlier, with, like, a new age kind of spiritual practice. So approach the practice with openness, intention, and an easeful mind. So just being kind of open to it and just having intentions, and that's a good thing. But step one, set your intention. And call upon your spirit guides, depending on your belief system, and protect you and your energy on this journey. You can also envision a protective circle of white light if spiritual guides do not resonate with you, but you must have an intention. That's the first and foremost thing. So number two, relax your body. Lay down, sit in a comfy position, put on white noise or any sounds that put you in a meditative state. They have plenty of those, I know, on Spotify, for instance, because I've tried meditating, and it's hard. You wouldn't think it is, but it's hard to shut your mind off and not think about anything. It's so hard. I don't know how to do that. A few times I've tried to do it, one time I think I was pretty successful, and it was like, oh, that was nice, but it was work. And number three is to meditate and align your energy points. Focus on each part of your body. Start with your feet and end with your head. Each part of your body is associated with a different energy point, and each time you exhale, just tell yourself, my body is relaxing, and allow the sensation to cover you. Number four, visualize the room you're in. Picture where you are with as much detail and fixate on one point. Allow the visual of yourself to appear in the room. Okay. And here's another method, so I know that's kind of like, that's a little too open-ended for me. Give me more direction here. So try the rope method. Visualize a rope hanging from the ceiling and using this to pull yourself out of your body so you can see yourself beneath you. So I think that's probably if you're going to start anywhere, start there. Explore the astral plane. Allow yourself to explore over time. You can start to set plans on where you would like to travel. So once you're, I guess, in that state. Number six, return to your body. When you are ready, bring your intention back to your body and notice the sensation of your sit bones, your fingers, back, laying on the surface or anything else that you can call your body back. Think or say, I call back my energy. Seven, wake up and reflect. Journal on your experiences or just mull over and just think about how it was for you to try to astral project. And with practice, you'll be able to astral project at will. So kind of more of an intensive meditation, if you will. It's crazy. It is cray cray. I don't want to astral project. I'm fine being in my own body. What about you? I've watched Insidious, so hell no. Oh, okay. Well, all right. So that has to be one of your movie recommendations, right? Yes. So I'm going to go into it. I know I've mentioned it twice now and people are probably like, okay, well, I think everybody is, you've at least heard of Insidious. Am I right? I've heard of it, but I. Well, I'm going to, because I just watched. Hold on, let me count how many, because there's the first, I guess. There's like five now, I think. Five or possibly six. And the first two are what I'm going to recommend. Those are the best ones. And so the first one takes place, it's from 2010, and it is a family who looks to prevent evil spirits from trapping their comatose child in a realm called the Further. Ew. So, and this has Patrick Wilson, Rose Brine, director James Wan. I think there are lots of big names. Yeah, and writer Lee Wynal, and, or Wynal, I apologize. Lynn Shay is in it. So, and James Wan and Lee Wynal, they actually came up with the Saw series. Ugh. That took off, but no, Insidious is actually really good, but it goes in the whole thing because the son being in a comatose state, you find out that he can astral project while he's sleeping. And so you find out that the father can too, but, and it goes into a whole much storyline. Storyline, but the first and second one, they go together so well because there's questions in the first one that you have even after the movie that are answered by the second one. Because then the second one, it actually, I shall read, it's Insidious chapter two. Chapter two? Chapter three? Or is there a chapter three? Yes, dear, I just said there's like six of these. Oh, six. Oh, but you said the first two go well together. Yeah, that's my recommendation is the first two. Okay. And this one came out in 2013, and it's, you know, the family believes that they have defeated the spirits, that they have haunted their family, but soon discover that evil is not beaten so easily. So it kind of goes back into it, and there's more of a mystery, going more into like the father's astral projection experience, and so I highly recommend those two movies. Those are really good ones. Okay. And then the other one I'm going to say is one that you really enjoy, Doctor Strange. I love Doctor Strange. I was thinking about that when I was talking about like, yeah, he astral projects. Yeah, so I think you see a lot more of it in the second one. You do. So, because I've read that in one of the articles I was reading is because, let's read Doctor Strange two. I mean, Doctor Strange one, I think, because you get into the, but, yeah, so when we go into the multiverse of madness, you see he teams up with a mysterious teenage girl from his dreams who can travel across multiverses to battle multiple threats, including other universe versions of himself. So that is actually really, that's actually a fun one to watch because I did really like that. And that one was from 2022. And is it Sam Raimi who directed it? Yeah, director Sam Raimi. So that's also another fun one. Those were the big two I kept coming across with astral projection. But do you have anything else or any? No, I couldn't think of anything. And I love Doctor Strange. I can't believe I didn't think of that. The only reason, honestly, I think the only reason I thought I would see him. Because he does go to different dimensions. Yeah. And he does go to different astral planes. So I think that's why, honestly, they pointed out in the article. I was like, oh, yeah, that's what he was doing. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh, yeah. It ain't good for me. Yeah. But the insidious ones are more into going the further is another astral plane, if you will. But more of like seeing death and dead and destruction, and evil entities, and a fun, fun, fun thing. And if you do watch those movies, I recommend you do it in a dark room just because it's filmed really weird. Absolutely. It's really dark. Well, it's just it's filmed, so you don't. It's so dark, like those Game of Thrones episodes where you can hardly see anything. Yeah. Like some of those things. Get me off. Because that happened. Actually, funny story. Me and Caitlyn, because she's like, oh, let's watch this movie. It's really creepy and stuff. And so we had to like, we were watching inner room. We had to black out curtains up and everything. I hate it when they make it so dark you can't see it. And I was like, I would be more afraid, but I can't, I can't tell what the hell's even going on. Yeah. And she was like, I know, I know. But then it got, but I did create a really spooky atmosphere. It did, I bet. And then we saw the second one in theaters. I remember that. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. And then we kept feeling like someone was watching us. Eh. Fun times. Absolutely not. Hard pass. Yeah. Yeah. Fun, fun stuff to talk about. Yeah. Experience. I know. Well, I mean, I'm glad we talked about it. At least we know a little bit more about it. Yeah. I've always been curious about it. I know. Yeah. Ugh. But would you believe someone if they told you they've astral projected? I don't think I would. Maybe that depends on the person. I think it does depend on the person. Like if it's just somebody on the street telling me, I'd be like, absolutely not. Yeah. Okay, guy. But. Yeah, it really depends on the situation and the person. What if your sister said she did? I would be like, I think you just had a really vivid dream. I could get that. I think you just had a vivid dream, buddy. I don't know. Go back to bed. I'm like, go back to bed. Like the other night, she was like, there was a weird reflection because there was like a trailer behind, like a trailer for like horses and stuff. Yeah. And there was a light behind where I live. And it was the light from a lamppost was reflecting really where it says, it looks like there's somebody in there in a door. And it was really bothering her. And I was like, it's not bothering me. And it's right outside my window. Yeah. So a lot, some things that like chill someone off. I'm like, eh, it's nothing. Mm-hmm. Eh. Nothing. Eh. We'll see. But yeah, I have mixed emotions on astral projection. Yeah, me too. I don't ever, I don't want to do it. Absolutely. I'm never going to strive for it. That's for sure. I mean, meditating is work enough. Yeah. Good for you. In manifesto, which I love doing. But it's work. You gotta have that vision board. Yeah. You have to have like a nice vision board, positive intentions. And I think I love the whole quantum jumping, quantum leaping to your reality, desire itself. I love that. I think it's great. And I do believe it's power in those things. But. So not astral projection. That's for sure. I don't want to go to a realm of dead people. I'm dead. I'm fine. I have Netflix. I read. I've worked multiple jobs. I'm great. Yeah. We're good to go. It's not too much on my plate as it is. But. Anywho. Anywho. We would like to take this time to thank you for listening to us. And please give us a follow on Instagram to check out updates and cocktail recipes. We appreciate you. And remember, our handle on Instagram is at the end of this video. And we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. 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