Ep 33 Stikini & Knox Bldg

The cousins discuss the false alarm of an active shooter at the University of Oklahoma and express their disgust at anyone who would make such a prank. They emphasize the seriousness of the issue and the impact it has on people's lives. They also mention their plans to have fans submit art for potential merchandise. They then discuss the Stikini, a vampiric creature from Seminole lore that takes the form of a human during the day and an owl at night. The Stikini is believed to rip out the hearts of its victims and feed on them to prolong its own life. They discuss the ways to kill a Stikini, such as destroying its entrails or using a special arrow. They also share a story from Seminole folklore about a witch who was discovered through the presence of her entrails near a stump. Hi, I'm Jess and I'm Tiff and we're your Curious Cousins where we talk about everything kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma. Welcome to episode 33. Welcome. How are you? Great. I mean I'm not great. I mean I'm fine. I'm good. It's really funny because we always ask each other how we're doing as if we just didn't spend the last 20-30 minutes before hitting record talking to each other. Yeah, that's true. Really one day what we should do is we should just hit record and then everybody can listen to our thoughts and we could post it on Patreon or something. Oh yeah, that's probably it. Our before show thoughts. Yeah, our before show thoughts. Here we go. So by the time this episode comes out it'll be a week after because we're always a week behind when we talk about things. So we did, Jess and I wanted to address what you all heard on last week's podcast where we literally hit record right after we had both gotten notifications that there was an active shooter on the University of Oklahoma's campus. Yes. And now we know that that was a false alarm. Mm-hmm. And which we are thankful that it was a false alarm but at the same time I believe, I think I could speak for both of us, that we're both very disgusted. Yeah. With that and I, because it's such a hot topic and it's so like in our faces right now. Yeah. As a nation. Like that's just not something to joke about. Yeah, if that was a prank like that's a sick, sick joke. Absolutely. Absolutely not funny and. And if you're thinking that this is the kind of joke that you need to play on people, please reach out to a mental health specialist because that is not a joke that we as a country at this point can take lightly. No, not at all. Because if you think about it like that just, I don't know, it just minimizes all those people that really have lost their lives in those types of situations and you know that's a real concern with so many people in our country and because there are literal people out there whose whole families are in school buildings. Mm-hmm. Or in places like that and I'm not talking about it just because like I have personal, I mean I do, I have personal experience and that's not being a victim of that of like a school shooting but I mean I'm faced with that every day like I know what my role is every day. Right. If that were to ever happen to me or my classroom. So I just have to think about the people whose, I mean there's people, people's babies are there no matter what their age is. Right. Even if they're 22 years old at a university, that's somebody's baby. Yeah. And why do we, we don't want to scare people like that. No. I'm called for it. I'm disgusted with it. Yeah, absolutely. Again like last week you and I don't have the answers but we gotta, we gotta figure something out. Yeah. It's just, it's sad and it's, you know, life isn't a video game. You can't just hit reset. That's a great point, yeah. It's, you know, it's sad that this is something we're faced with weekly it seems like almost. I know. I just, so yeah. But. That's not fun. Let's not do that again, please. Yeah. World. And then we also, last week we mentioned we're reaching out. Oh, yeah. To have our fans like submit art for us to potentially make stickers or t-shirts or wall art for and if you're interested in that, if you have a great ability in that, please. Please reach out. Please reach out to us. I think we've had one person kind of reached out already and I'm really excited to see what their work is. But guys, I mean there is literally, there's no such thing as too much. Right. And I mean we both have ideas but like putting it into paper or. If you're able to put an idea on the paper, please reach out to us because Jess has like this great idea and I just, I don't have the ability to put it down on paper. I don't either. And if somebody did. That would be so awesome. Yeah. So. And if you have your own ideas. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Anything that reflects our podcast. Right. We would love to get that out there. Yeah. We'd love to get your work out there. Yeah. For sure, too. Absolutely. So anyway. So yeah, this week we are talking about some spookies. Spookies. Yeah. Do you mind if I go first? Absolutely not. Okay. So I did a cryptid and I do just want to do kind of like a warning first because it's. Jess is having a warning? Yeah. Only because I know there's little ears that listen. Yes. My niece is one of them. I have. Anna. Love you. And it's just what I'm going to be discussing. It can be creepy and a little disturbing maybe. And so I just want to put it out there. That would be nightmare inducing. Nightmare inducing. So you might want to skip to tips and try to skip to tips. No. So just going to throw that out there. So my sources are Oklahoma Seminal Medicines, Magic and Religion by James H. Howard in collaboration with Lily Lena and Area Oklahoma by Heather Woodward. Sorry about that. Heather Woodward. So my topic is now. Okay. I apologize if I say this wrong. If anyone knows how to say it correctly, please reach out. But this is the Stikini or the Owlman. Oh, I'm excited. So equally freaked out. It was a lot creepier than I bargained for. I'll just say that. So anyway, some people may, I'm going to start that over. Some people may find owls to be adorable or even cute. Yeah. Have you ever seen a little baby owl? And you know, I don't know if I've actually seen a baby owl or not. But I'm just going to say this kind of changed my mind on elves. But you know, our grandmother is one of those people. She, her house is decorated with several owl motifs and whatever you want to. I don't mind owls. Well, you might change your mind too. So however, there might be some people who have quite the opposite opinion. Owls can be somewhat creepy. Okay, I just Googled the pictures of baby owls to show her. Like that one? I found some creepy ones for her too. I was like, oh, okay, that white fluffy one is cute. Everybody just get on Google and just Google baby owls. Anyway, so let's talk about, I'm sorry, let's talk about some creep, creep, creepness. First off, okay, they're nocturnal, right? Therefore, if or when you are out and about in the dark, they're out flying around, making sounds in the night, which if you're paranoid like I am, you're gonna think the worst. Second, they can practically turn their heads all the way around. That's enough said. Third, some owls sleep face down as if they're dead. I didn't know that. That's very strange. I won't lie, that is very strange. Well, if those reasons aren't kooky or spooky enough for you, in some lore, the cry of an owl is seen as an omen of death. I have heard that before, especially if it's like during the day. Mm hmm. And this is where the legend of the Stikini takes owl lore, it takes owl lore to like a whole other level of terror. Anyway, to understand the Stikini lore, we have to talk about the Seminoles and their beliefs, because the legends surrounding the Stikini come from the Seminoles, and their beliefs and the Stikini obviously go hand in hand. Okay. And I briefly touched on this when we collaborated with the Sirens. Oh, yeah. And we talked about when we talked about the witch trials in Oklahoma. So if you haven't checked that out, you should definitely go do that. It's a fun time. The Seminoles are a Native American tribe that originated in Florida, but they were relocated to Oklahoma during the Trail of Tears. Now, there are now there are like tribes in both regions. And the Seminoles, of course, are one of Oklahoma's five civilized tribes. And they are most known for their green corn dance and tobacco rituals. And their nation tribal complex is in Wauwoka, Oklahoma, which you know, is just about like 45 miles outside of Oklahoma City. And the traditional Seminole world is just saturated with witchcraft and magic, and with a type of magic for any and every occasion. So in Seminole culture, witches and the Stikini are very much go hand in hand, or they very much go hand in hand is what I should say. The Seminoles believed that most illness, if not caused by offended animal spirits or ghosts was due to the schemes of witches. And witches can operate along at long distances by magically sending quote, medicine arrows through the air towards their victim. At close range, they can introduce bad medicine into food or drink. And at other times, they accomplish their evil works by shape shifting into animals. And it was said that witches would most often adopt the form of a horned owl. And then they would go on their way to do their monstrous errands. So according to the Seminoles, the Stikini is a vampiric creature that takes, sorry, I'm gonna read that again, because I lost my spot. According to the Seminoles, the Stikini is a vampiric creature that takes the form of a normal human being by day, and then an owl looking for prey at night. And in certain lore, the Stikini is a human witch that grew more terrible and more powerful, the more evil they released into the world upon people and with their damning deeds. Oh my gosh. Okay. So they have a natural super strength, and they can easily rip a person apart without any effort. The Stikini changes form in the most horrendous way. Oh, no. I don't know that I'm ready for this. Here's where the warning comes in. At night. I laugh because I'm uncomfortable. This is so gross. So at night, they vomit up their entrails. I'm out. One source said that they vomit up their souls, their blood and their organs. No, no, no, no, no. And then they leave them hanging high up in a tree. She's waving her arm around. Like a lunatic. They hang these entrails high up in a tree so that, you know, no other animals can eat them. And then that's when they turn into an owl and go in search of an easy victim. Now, now I've heard I've heard where they it's like they turn into an owl and then I've seen where like in pictures and stuff where they look like an owl man like they have, you know, like they're walking on two feet and they're huge and they have these claw hands like so I'm not sure. You know, you look like you want to say something. I'm at a loss for words, which is really unusual. I know. They vomit up. Okay. And they hang in this. Okay. No, no, I'm out. I'm out. It's been nice knowing you. This is now a Jesserific episode. Oh, it gets more fun. So the spikini looks for humans who are asleep or in like some kind of vulnerable. They're asleep or in a vulnerable state. So using black magic, the spikini can put all the people in the household into a deep sleep. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. No. And then they can then go to work on their intended victim. So when they find their prey, the vampiric owl will rip the victim's heart out through their mouth and then leave the bloody body for others to find. And then they reach their hand down your throat, down the gullet and pull your heart out through that with black magic. Yes, that is correct. I was about to say they got a little teeny tiny hands. Well, I mean, that's I mean, some of those pictures that I saw. Let me tell you. So one source said that the heart would later be cooked by the witch slash hooked spikini in a small iron kettle and then devoured. Another source kind of implied that the feeding would happen like immediately. Sorry. I was not expecting that. I'll cut that out later. It was believed that these witches that shapeshifted added to their own lifespans by stealing and eating these hearts. And then each heart stolen and eaten by a witch added like two or three years to their own life. All of Harry Potter. That's all I'm thinking of the unicorn blood. Yes. Yeah. So after the stinkini is done feeding, it will then go back to its entrails, right? That is well, those entrails that they vomited up and hung in the tree. Don't leave them hanging around. Yep. So they'll go back to these entrails, where they will then swallow their entrails. Oh, and then I am calling you. And then they would then return back to their human form. After all of that. I can do spooky. I can't do gory. I can't. I didn't know what I got myself into. I can't. I can tell. So the spikini were so terrible and feared that it was extremely frowned upon to even say the word. So because it was like this fear that just saying the word spikini would summon the creature or even worse, it would be like, you're calling it to curse yourself and then you become one. Do they still believe this? Do you think? I honestly don't know. If someone is of the Seminole Nation, and we are being disrespectful in any way, please let us know. I know that there are some Native American tribes, there are certain entities, I like to refer to them as flesh pedestrians. I got that from another podcast that you don't talk, you don't say their name because it's disrespectful. If owl man is one of them, please let us know because we don't want to be disrespectful. Not at all. Any culture by any means. You can't even say their name. And because of that, the spikini were only talked about through a medicine man or a shaman because these medicine men were able to protect themselves from these supernatural evils. And this is actually really interesting because this fear of the supernatural being, this specific one, it really became prevalent in the 1800s. And this, of course, is right when the Seminole tribe was forced out of Florida and forced to come to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. So that was really when it became prevalent. Well, there's lots of negative energy going around during that. Lots of heartache and anger and abuse and ugliness. Yes. I can imagine the type of forces that could, the energies that just clashing. Okay. Okay. So I know you're dying to know, how do you kill a spikini if you come across one? I know that's what you were going to ask me. I would run it over with my car. Here's what you do. Okay. I will let you know. Okay. If you happen to run into a spikini in its human form, which... How would you know? Exactly. It would be hard to tell them apart. Okay. Except their moral compass might be a little skewed. So that's one sign or indication that you might be dealing with one of these creatures. I might have a lot of friends that are like that. I know. Some of the stuff is like, I feel like they're describing me. Jess's moral compass is off. Not my moral compass is off, but they don't really care about average social norms or traditions. They tend to keep to themselves. Oh no. They'll be kind of like an outsider. They'll live outside of town. Oh. Basically, they're hermits with no social skills, is basically what it is. You have social skills. Some might disagree with that. To kill a spikini... Sorry. It's something really rotten. Oh no. Your mom would say you wouldn't have those social skills with me. Well, can't be mad about that. She would. You can get this part out of here. To kill a spikini, first, you have to find their stinky entrails that are hanging from a tree and destroy them. I mean, probably not hard because they're probably smelly and you'd probably be wondering why your tree was smelly. I mean, trees don't typically smell. I don't imagine that smelling good. I also feel like if you find something like that hanging in trees, you've probably got bigger problems. Right. Well, the stink of the entrails leave behind can be a dead giveaway to the witches or the creatures, if that is what you want to call them, to their base of operations. The base of operations. Oh my gosh. No. No. Once the entrails have been destroyed, the vampiric owl will not be able to shapeshift back into its human form and it will eventually die from exposure to the sun. So I guess that's kind of where the vampiric owl aspect kind of comes in. And also, it never really said how you destroy them, just that you do. But, you know, maybe fire and burn them or, I mean, I'm sure they're with some wooden pegs or something. I mean, if they can't, if they can't have sunlight, maybe you stabbed them with some wooden stakes or something. I mean, leave them out in the sun. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's that too. Huh. Interesting. So another source said that the most effective way to kill a witch slash Stinkini is by using a special arrow clutched with owl feathers and it will have... Real owl feathers or Stinkini? Owl feathers. Owl feathers. And with small grooves cut near the point. And it's thought that these small grooves would contain like herb medicines. Okay. And because I think, I didn't, I didn't include this in my notes, but when I was reading it, I believe it said that they, the points of the arrows didn't contain like stone or like metal for like the arrowhead. I think it was just kind of carved out into the base of the arrow or, you know, just into a point and then shot. So... So it would be of wood, right? Right. The arrow would be made of wood, kind of like a wooden stake through a vampire. Okay. Kind of. Yeah. So to use such an arrow, the witch hunter must remove all their clothes except for their shoes, circle the house counterclockwise once, and then shoot the Stinkini. So you have to have great aim. You better hope it's in the dark. And it's not cold. Right. So... I mean... It's dark. Right? I don't know why I'd be more scared of a Stinkini or a medicine man outside my house with no clothes on. Well, it just said witch hunter. Or yeah, medicine woman. Could be you. I apologize. So I want to read you an excerpt from the Oklahoma Symbols Medicine, Magic, and Religion book from, by James H. Howard, who collaborated with Willie Lena. And Willie Lena was a member of the Seminole tribe. And he was actually the source for this book. Okay. And so I can't remember when it was written. But I guess, I mean, I guess we could probably look at that. Where is it? Where did it go? It was published in 1984. And so during this time, you know, there were still some members of the tribe that believed, believed these beliefs. We've got some storms outside. Storms are heading our way, finally. So this is from Chapter 4, Magic and Witchcraft. And this is a story that Willie told James Howard. So I'm just going to read it to you really quick. Okay. This is a true story about a witch. You know, little boys see lots of things. There are always around. No, I'm going to start that over. Sorry. This is a true story about a witch. You know, little boys see lots of things. They're always around playing and seeing things they're not supposed to. One time, a little boy of this type came and said to his grandpa, I saw an old man when I was out playing. He walked behind a stump. Then I saw a shadow and an owl flew away from the stump. Excuse me. His grandpa told him to keep a close watch on the stump. Later, he saw an owl light on the stump. And shortly the same old man walked out from behind it. Again, he told this to his grandpa. His grandpa said, Did you see him kneeling behind the stump and throwing up? Why? Yes, I did. The grandpa asked, Did you see anything else? Well, I saw a bunch of old guts hanging around the stump. That was a bad man you saw, grandson. The two of them went out to the stump and surely the two of them went out to the stump. And surely enough, there were the guts and other insides of the old witch. Even the heart was there. Still beating. Oh, no. They took all of this stuff down and fed it to their dogs. Later, the little boy saw an owl come to the stump. It flew around and around in an agitated manner. It was seen doing this for four days. At the end of that time, the body of this old witch was found near the stump. Owls were hooting in a nearby tree. So I guess if you don't burn it with fire, you can feed it to your dog. I just feel like that would get like, if it's so evil with it, like, on the who you fed it to or something. I don't know. Anyway, that's, that's the stikini. I don't like that. And like I said, it was very, a lot more creepy and gruesome. Yeah, Jess. So, wow. Um, you're welcome. We have any listeners still left at this point? Oh, I will be the first to tell you I could do spook all day long. Treat me out. That's fine. Blood and guts. I cannot do. I'm not a good horror person. I'm the opposite. Well, I mean, I don't like horror movies. Like that's not my jam. Yeah. But like blood and guts don't bother me. I can watch like a war movie. Nope. All day. Every day. I don't want to see someone's arm get blown off. I don't, I don't that. I just, I can't. That's why I'm not the doctor. It doesn't bother me. But spooky creep things do. Like the Knox building in Enid, Oklahoma. I guess we'll find out. Well, I have, I have a very big friend base from Enid. My best friend, Jenny is from Enid. And then my best friends, Meredith and Jill. And I've got to say, I've got to say mill and try to say Mary. So I apologize for that. Meredith, Mary and Jill are both all three from Enid as well. We were all four sorority sisters at Oklahoma state. Well, and our cousin lives close to Enid. Yes. Miranda lives in Fairview, which is very close to Enid. And of course my husband is from the Woodward area. And so it's about an hour West of Enid. So I have a lot of connections there in Enid. And so I decided that I would do them a solid and cover one of their spooky buildings called the Knox building. Cool. I'm interested. I studied Ghosts and Legends of Oklahoma by Mike Rick Stecker, Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine, Oklahoma Historical Society and oklahomahauntedhouses.com. And I think I've mentioned this before. If you are not a subscriber or a follower of Oklahoma haunted houses.com, you need to do it. Especially if you like to visit haunted houses. Like even if you decide to go during spooky season, like the haunted house trails and stuff. Oh, sorry. If you like to visit the haunted house trails, they will post all about them, but then they actually post about real haunted places. So I really do appreciate using them. So shout out to them. Thanks. So let's do a little background information on the Knox building. Okay. It really, in the scheme of things, is not that old. When you think about it, it was built in 1924. So it's almost 100 years old. It is located at 303 West Broadway in downtown Enid, Oklahoma. It was originally constructed for the Garfield County Masons and named the Enid Masonic Temple. Okay. Currently, though, it is known as the Knox building, and it shares its home with the Enid. Take that out. Currently, it is known as the Knox building and also shares the name of the Enid Symphony Center because it's the home of the Enid Symphony Orchestra. Okay, cool. When it was originally built, like I said, it was the home of the Garfield County Freemasons, and it is now the home of the Enid Symphony Orchestra. You might have to take that before stuff out before I don't know. It was built in the... I will tell you that I put these architecture things in there simply for my cousin Rachel. She's probably the only one who even cares. When it was originally built, it was... I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one that goes through this. Now, you get there and you're like, how am I going to make this? How am I going to reword it? It sounds stupid, but now I'm just going to have to go for it. Just go for it. Here we go. It was built in the Italian Renaissance Revival style, boasting five stories with several meeting halls and ballrooms and office spaces. The Masonic Temple was located on the top two floors of the building while offices were housed in the bottom three floors. Did they rent those out or something? Yes. They're in the top two floors where the Masons met. The main lobby was fashioned. It was called an Egyptian lobby. Picture this in your mind. King Tut's tomb had been opened only two years prior to the building's construction. Egyptian pharaohs, pyramid scheming... not pyramid, that kind of pyramid scheming, but Egyptian pyramid decor was all the rave at that time period. It was wildly popular, so fashionable. If you can just imagine that this is what that lobby looked like you were stepping into. That'd be cool to see. Absolutely. You can go see it. You can go see it because we'll get there, but you can go see it. The floors of this symphony hall mimic those now of a famous French palace or of the famous French palace of Versailles. Not only are the floors replica of Versailles, but many of the wall hangings and murals and 24 karat gold leaf gildings were all copied from that. In the 1920s, this was the place to be. Sounds like it. Roaring 20s, for sure. However, upon the hills of it being finally constructed, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl hit Enid exceptionally hard. Enid is in western Oklahoma where the Dust Bowl did take most of its toll when it hit. The Masons were unable to keep the building up, to keep paying for the building, so they sold it to an oil man by the name of Charles Knox in the 1940s. It's always an oil man. Right. I think they were the only ones who had money at this time in this state. Absolutely. I'm going to point out that in all of my research, there were never any exact dates given. As a type A person, that really drives me crazy, but it is what it is. The Masons did continue to rent out the space, those top two floors, from Knox himself. However, because of the times, he did have to increase rent. Eventually, the Freemasons were unable to meet the rent, so they were forced out of the building. Knox kept the building until 1981 when he sold it, or when somebody from his family, I don't know if it was him or somebody from his family, sold it. After the selling of the building, a $3.2 million renovation started. Again, no exact dates were given. Actually, two of my sources had conflicting dates. One said it was in the 1980s, and one said it was in the 1990s. Somewhere in between that, in the 80s and 90s, the building was renovated into that 18th century French symphony hall from the Palace of Versailles. That is not original. That French symphony style is not original, but the Egyptian is original. In the 1990s, it saw the return of the Freemasons back to this Knox building. There was also the Avenue Thrift Theater, made its home there as well, and the Enid Symphony Orchestra. In the 1990s, the music director, Doug Newell, he actually ended up purchasing the top two floors of the building. He was able to make it into more of that symphony hall. He only purchased the top two floors? Yes. How many floors did you say it had? Five. Let's do it. There are no dolls. Oh, darn. I'm so upset about that. One day, we may have video, and you all can see my face. All right. In 1946, Charles Knox closed the building. He was unable to afford to keep it up. People weren't renting it, so he simply closed it, and it sat vacant. Sat vacant. For how long? Until 1981, when he sold it. Oh, good grief. That looks like 40 years. Right, exactly. It was never stated why, exactly why it was never sold, why it was never utilized for anything. It simply sat empty. That's crazy. Between 1946 and 1981, which you know we said, no one was allowed onto those top two floors of the building when people were allowed to enter it. That's weird. I don't know if it's because maybe the Freemasons left their things there, and they had just asked, like, don't let people in here, and he respected that request, or if it was just like, I don't know what's going on up here. We're just not going to go up there, but it was stated that- Maybe they thought it was unsafe or something? Possibly, possibly, but just no people were ever allowed on those two floors. It makes me want to know why, though. But Knox also refused to sell the building. I don't know if people offered to buy it during time. I mean, it would make me believe that somebody probably came along at some point and was like, hey, let's utilize this building for something else. I mean, it's a pretty neat looking- Oh, yeah. Or no. I've driven- Sorry, I was thinking of something else. I've driven past it several times, and it is a really neat looking building. Is it? And there's lots of pictures. I mean, of course, I'll post them. Yeah, it's really neat. It's a really neat looking building, and there's so many possibilities you could have done with it. Yeah. During the 40 years that the building was vacant, residents often would comment or complain to Knox or even to city officials that Knox was wasting electricity by keeping the lights on in the building. So the building had electricity to it. Mm-hmm. Oftentimes, police and building managers would be called out because they would be like, there shouldn't be any lights on. Mm-hmm. But they often got called about it. And many thought that, oh, maybe it's just a security measure that they put into place to make it look like there was somebody there. But managers often or would always swear that, no, we don't leave the lights on at night. Why would we? There's nothing here anyways. That's crazy. Yeah. Police and managers often made late night trips to investigate those lights. Ooh, kind of like the Overholtzer Mansion. Right. Yes. And the Kill Creeps. Exactly. So they double-checked the locks. They were all locked. They turned all the lights back off. The next day, they would show up, and guess what? We're back on. Oh, man. The lights. The building does have one resident ghost by the name of George. Mm-hmm. Very specific. Yes, very. And I'll tell you why. Oh, okay. George was an elevator repairman. I can see where this is going. There is always a repairman. You know what this means, right? You know what I mean. Yes, I can guess. While working on the elevator. I have a couple of theories. He fell to his death near the elevator shaft. It's either if he falls or decapitated or squash-fied or something. Yeah. But this was quite the norm back in the day, I believe, I feel like. He has been seen several times in the building, most notably by the music director that I mentioned earlier, Newell. Newell saw George and mistook him as an actual elevator repairman. George was wearing blue coveralls, and his name was embroidered on the pocket. Oh, that's convenient. Exactly. And had a cigar hanging out of his mouth. Oh, that's funny. Newell said, hello. George looked at him and then proceeded to walk down the stairs. Newell heard the footsteps going down the stairs, and then they just stopped. Gross. So Newell decided he was going to walk himself down the stairs. Why? Why? And there was nobody there. Oh, man. Okay. Okay. Newell called the elevator repair company that was on George's coveralls, and he told them, thank you for sending someone to look at the elevator. The elevator repair company informed Newell that they had not sent anybody to go look at the elevator. Furthermore, they did not employ anybody by the name of George. Oh, my gosh. The elevators, to this day, are said to never both be working at the same time. Oh, man. That's a nightmare all in itself. One of them is often down, even after repeated repairs. Oh, jeez. And as of 2023, you're like, how can you not get elevators to work at this point? Uh-huh. It is what it is. Oh, man. Further hauntings are attributed to George or even a possible poltergeist. Oh, gosh, this gets better and better. Doors open and close on their own. Nope. Even locked ones. Nope. Sheet music has often been seen being flung across the stage. They've investigated tracks. Is it the HVAC system? Nothing. Oh, my gosh. Disembodied footsteps are often heard. Nope, nope, I'm out. People will often travel in twos just to be safe. And there's often the smell of cigar smoke that people have smelled. And so, yeah. Oh, my goodness. That's the story of the Knox Building. But I highly encourage people to go and catch a show there. I know that the theater company plays there. The symphony still plays there. So, I think it would be a really cool deal. And they also have an event space. So, if anybody's looking for something in Enid, there's an event space there. So, the symphony is where on the top two floors, you said, right? Yes. They actually renovated it. And I feel like I'm missing a page of my notes. I thought you were looking it up. I thought I did look it up, but I can't remember. Anyway, they did renovate it to be like a 340-seat symphony hall. So, that is on the first two floors. I feel like I said that in the last episode. You did. Or the last time we did it came on. So, let me look and I can just, I think we're, I don't know. Did you get distracted, maybe? Probably so. Nope, that was it. Did I skip it somewhere? Yep, I skipped it because I skipped saying it right there. Oh, well, that's okay. That was it then, but wherever you think. So, that is the story of the Knox facility. Well, cool. Well, that's interesting. It wasn't, I mean, it was creepy, but it wasn't as spooky as I was expecting from you. I know, wow. But it was good. It was good. I always like hearing the history of the places. If anybody has any spooky stories about the Knox facility, please email us at curiouscousinsok at gmail.com, or you can reach out to us at curiouscousinsok on Instagram, or at curiouscousinsok podcast on Facebook, or at curiouscousinsok on Twitter, because I opened the Twitter back up. Yay. Kyle, I'm in charge of the Twitter now. She's in charge of all social media. I just chip in everyone. So, you are definitely welcome to... I mean, I check it all the time, but... There you go. You're welcome to reach out to us on there. We would love to hear from you. The storm's, like, really acting up. I don't know if you guys can hear us, but it's in the background. We're both, like, looking out the window. Super tense. Right. We haven't had that much... We haven't had a thunderstorm in forever, so... 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