Mahipal sir podcast recording

In this podcast episode, Dr. Mahipal Jeta is interviewed. He teaches math courses at Mahindra University. He describes himself as positive, energetic, and hungry. He enjoys ordering coffee without sugar and has three favorite songs. He prefers teleportation as a superpower and enjoys playing cricket and talking to random people. He believes that math gives different perspectives and can be applied to various situations. He shares a funny college memory and talks about the challenges he faced coming from a humble background. He advises students to be persistent and consistent in their efforts. He emphasizes the importance of learning from peers and surrounding oneself with positive influences. He was inspired to pursue academia because he wanted to continue learning and contribute to the field of math. Hi everyone, welcome to the MU podcast. So in this episode we will be interviewing Dr. Mahipal Jeta. Now, Mahipal sir teaches two math courses throughout like a year if you are in the Mahindra University. He teaches M1 and he also teaches M2. So, hi sir, how are you doing today? Hi, great so far. I have been doing great. So, how is your day been so far? So far it is fantastic and it will be fantastic. Yeah, I hope so. So, before I start the interview, I would just like to say that I just want you to be as calm as possible, as comfortable as possible. I hope you are not stressed or nervous or anything. I always give stress. Yeah, so before I would like to start the interview, I just want to do like this quick rapid fire so that if there is any ice between us, it will be broken. So, just to get you to like the flow of the questions. Okay, so the first rapid fire I would like to ask is what are three words you would use to describe yourself? Three words, positive, energetic and hungry. Hungry. Have you had your lunch? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay, so the next one is what is your go to order at coffee talk? Go to order, I mean I did not understand the question properly. Yeah, on a random day you are going to coffee talk, what are you ordering? Normally coffee. Coffee? Coffee without sugar. Awesome. Yeah. Okay, what are three songs that you cannot stop listening to? Three songs, one is basically I am a big fan of Ilai Raja and A R Rahman. Okay. So, basically one Telugu song is basically Edhuta Neeve song. Okay. And then we have Sakhi movie, in that Sakhi movie the title song is there. So, I love that song, basically the background music, amazing. Yeah, so the other songs basically comes from this Geetanjali movie. Geetanjali, right. I love the songs of that movie. Yeah. So, I have noticed that you also like music a lot, right? Okay. The last rapid fire question I would like to ask is if you had a choice between three super powers, so power of flight, invisibility or teleportation? Teleportation. Teleportation, you could teleport to any place you want. Like if you think that you want to be in your home right now, you could just go there. Okay. Okay, and there is invisibility. So, you can become invisible to like people. Okay. Or flight, which one would you choose? I will take flight. Flight? Yeah. Why, sir? In the field of mathematics, right? Like you have pursued a lot of research, taught a lot of classes, right? Now, what we want to know is what are your interests outside of academics? So… Outside of academics, I normally play cricket. Okay. And I love playing with kids of, I mean, basically of random age. Okay. I play with a lot of people, actually. I talk to random people on road. I mean, I just can't stop myself from talking, actually. Talking, that's nice. That's really nice. I think that also carries forward your lectures when you are giving a lecture, right? Correct, correct. It's more of an interactive session rather than just a lecture itself. Yes, yes. Right? So, yeah, so you have also been through college. You have also been through a PhD, right, in IIT. And throughout this entire journey, you have explored the field of mathematics to an extent, right? Yes. What is one life lesson that you have learned from this exploration, from mathematics? From life lesson, it is very simple, actually. So, math always gives us different perspective. So, whatever be the situation, so you have to look at it in multiple directions. So, that's what I have learned from mathematics. Whatever situation it is, whether it could be a difficult situation or an enjoyable situation or whatever. So, you try to look at it from different perspectives. Just various perspectives so you can understand the situation and all, right? Exactly, exactly. That's nice. Okay, so let's go back to your college days a little. What is one memory throughout your entire college life that you can't forget? One memory. Memory, yeah, that was fun, actually. So, I hardly attended the classes. I don't recommend students not attending the classes, particularly in my undergraduation. I normally used to spend time in a library instead of classrooms, actually. But one memory is basically, there was a practical exam. Okay. But I never attended that course. But there was one lab, actually. Would you like to reveal what course that was? It was C++ programming. C++ programming, okay. That was the course. But I never attended any of those classes. So, there was a lab exam. So, during that lab exam, one external faculty used to come and take the viva. So, one lady faculty came and she started questioning. So, I answered all the theory questions, actually. So, then she asked one programming-related question. Basically, the question was something like this. So, in which language did you write the program? So, that was the question. Okay. So, my immediate answer was, English. Did you end up grading? No, fortunately, I got a good grade in that course, actually. It was nice. What was the reaction of that? Yeah, because she just kept on laughing, including the other people who were just surrounded by her. It was a memorable experience, particularly in the undergraduate days. I see. So, in today's college life, and in my generation in specific, mental health is a lot more important. So, people take mental health, they value mental health a lot. And because of a lot of awareness created, we have access to a lot of resources. Like, there's this platform called Yorthos. So, we have access to a lot of resources to get mental health support. And students in college days do require that support, that assistance. So, back in those days, I'm assuming that a lot of awareness was in there. There's still this stigma around mental health, that, oh, it's not that important, or it's not that relevant. How did you deal with any crisis, or any sort of issue that you got, or any sort of problem that you had in those days? Basically, there was only one way to get rid of that, basically. So, we were strongly motivated. We were surrounded by bigger problems than what we used to think about ourselves, actually. So, particularly speaking about myself, I came from a very humble family. So, basically, my parents were illiterate for most of the time, actually. So, going to the college itself was a very difficult situation for me, actually. But going to the college, and then building a career, that was a very big challenge. Particularly, I came from a Telugu-medium background. So, there was a lot of stigma. I used to feel that I'm very low compared with others. I never used to speak with other people, actually, thinking that I'm not great, or something like that. So, you still have that complex? Yeah, I have that complex. I did not go away completely, actually. So, still I have that feeling. But I feel that, okay, so being driven, basically, gets out of such kind of stigma. So, we should always be learning the things so that we can suppress that difficulty. That's what I felt. That's what worked for me, actually. A follow-up question I'd like to ask you. We just spoke about the complex that you felt, right? Yeah. And, well, it's kind of hard to say, but the Indian education system kind of enforces comparison on people, because of the comparative examinations. You tend to compare yourself with others who are better than you. So, I'm assuming you also used to do that when you were in your college, right? Yes, yes. You have that complex. So, how did you deal with that as well? Let's say someone did better than you at something, and you didn't really put in all the effort you had. You had this exam, you put in all your effort, but still someone who put minimal effort got more than you. How would you deal with that comparison that was created? That was too difficult to deal with at the beginning, actually, because when we entered into IIT, so we are basically surrounded with very bright people, actually. And until that point of time, we used to feel that, okay, I can top in the class or something like that. But once you enter into a better institution, so basically you are nowhere, actually. You are basically at the bottom when you compare to the others. But dealing with such a kind of situation is very, very difficult. I mean, it takes a big tolerance. It basically puts down our self-confidence a lot. Exactly. Right. So, I mean, the only thing is just be persistent, be consistent in putting the effort. That is the only key to get out of… Just be persistent. Just be persistent and consistent. That is much more important, actually. Okay. So, that's what worked out for me, actually. Okay, thank you. So, in your… Okay. So, if you had to pick one thing from your four years of college, or anyone's college, to be general, what do you think is the most important thing that anyone can learn or anyone can experience in their college life? Anyone can experience in their college life? Basically, the peers, they give a lot of knowledge, actually. Okay. They give lots and lots of knowledge. Basically, how a person should be and how a person should not be. Everything can be learned from the peers, actually, particularly in those four years of college life. That's what I can… So, you just keep learning, surrounding yourself with a group of people that you can constantly learn from. Yeah, exactly. So, basically, you need to take out the positives from the people. Exactly. Okay. So, you should identify what is positive and what is negative and take only positives, okay, to get into a better position, actually. That's what I suggest. Got it. Yeah. Okay. So, you've gotten yourself into academia, right? And I'm not sure how the, like, the norm was back in the day, but you've gotten yourself into academia. So, what exactly inspired you? To not go to a nine-to-five job, to not go into a career with, like, a lot of money, but go into academia? Okay, interesting question, actually. Yeah. So, basically, we… In my childhood, I was surrounded only by three professions. Okay. Basically, farmer. Okay. Kind of truck driver. Okay. Okay. And then some cash-related work, actually. Okay. Right. So, I didn't like farming. And, obviously, I don't like the truck driver. Of course, I'm not demeaning any of those people. No, no. Basically, I wanted to stay away from such kind of things, actually. Yeah, yeah. Got it. And I was surrounded by teachers. Okay. So, among all these people, I found teachers to be a bit respectable in those days, actually. Okay. I don't know the situation now. Yeah. Okay. They still are. I'm sure of it. So, basically, teaching was considered to be a better profession because people used to respect them a lot. That's why I got into teaching. Okay. Right? And, yeah, people… When I start teaching the things, basically, to my friends and all, they used to enjoy. Okay. So, for the season, I wanted to stay in the… So, they used to, like, motivate you and… Exactly. Exactly. That's nice. Yes. So, I'd like to say that, I don't know if you know this, but you have quite an impact on students in this campus. Okay. You have quite an impact. A lot of people are inspired by you, inspired by your teaching. Wow. And, like, the way you live life, essentially. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. So, what do you think about this? Like, what do you think about being a person who's creating an impact as you're going about your life? Like, what are your thoughts about this? I don't think I'm creating an impact, because I'm just living my own life. Yeah. Okay? I don't know whether it is positive or negative for the others, but for me, it is positive. Yeah. And I'm living my life to the fullest. Okay. I don't have any regrets so far. Basically, what I'm doing is, when I try to speak with the people, I always put myself in the other person's perspective. Okay. That's it. That's what I do. Even in my class also, I do the same thing. Okay? So, I don't want to be something random. Okay. Basically, I wanted to motivate the students. I always put myself in the student's shoes. Right? And then think, okay, what would students think if a topic is introduced. Okay. So, then I teach. Okay. So, you always try to put yourself in the other person's shoes. Yes. And only then you will start your thought process. Exactly. Got it. Got it. So, speaking of impact, we all know about the Ayurvedic Antidepressant that you did, right? Okay. So, what's the story behind it? How exactly did it happen? So, I don't know. One student randomly came to me. I think a Vedasthi or someone. Yeah. So, he came and he asked me whether you can work in this particular short film. Basically, they were planning to launch one film from the Master Short Film Club. Master Short, yeah. And they asked, okay, will you be interested? And I said, okay, why not? So, then, I mean, it just happened just like that. Basically, I don't know why they chose me. But one day they came and they asked me to act within one or two shots. I took some time because I did not look at the camera for some time. But, okay, I think in the third shot, they… You got it. Yeah, I got it. Because of that… I can boast of myself as a quick learner. That's a good thing to boast about. I mean, quick learning is always something that I think people should know about, right? Thanks. Yeah. So, because of that, really, I think that was one of the highest posts or something. And that's probably because of you. No, no, no. It is not probably because of me. It is possible because of the concept, actually. Yeah. The concept is really interesting. Yeah. So, it basically… Designated with everybody. Many of the people. That's why it is popular. Not just because of me. Yeah. Okay. So, throughout your academics and even throughout your career, and I am assuming even now, to this day, you are constantly learning math. Math is changing every… Yeah. It is a constantly changing field, right? So, what was one of the biggest challenges or roadblock that you faced in learning a new concept or learning something new? Learning something new. Right. The biggest challenge was the transition from one medium of instruction to the other medium of instruction. That is the biggest hurdle I ever faced. Math was okay. Math, basically, it will have certain set of rules. We just have to follow those rules. That's it. Okay. But coming from one medium of instruction to other medium of instruction was a bit difficult, actually. Okay. That's what I faced in my… By instruction, you mean language instruction, right? Yes, yes. Language, basically. So, in Telugu medium, we used to have different kind of nomenclature, but in English, it is completely different. So, getting along with that transition was a bit difficult. But mathematics is not at all difficult, actually. Math is a universal language. Math is a universal language. So, no matter whichever, what is that, area you pursue, basically, it will be same. Same. Basically, the underlying ideas would be same. But this language to that language is a little difficult, actually. I agree. Okay. So, what is your opinion on AI? Like, you see a lot of development in AI, right? Like, what do you think will happen to the field of math and the field of learning or teaching math when AI is coming into it? Okay. So, let me ask this question. So, if some robot comes and teaches mathematics, will you enjoy that part? Or a person like, let us say, myself or some other person, if that person comes and teaches AI? So, obviously, a human interaction. Basically, you need to… because different students are different, actually. So, they think in different directions, actually. So, we need to understand how a student is feeling about the teaching. Right. So, we have to look into their eyes and see whether they are understanding or not. If they are understanding, okay, then we can proceed further. If the student is stuck at that point of time, so we need to think about ourselves and immediately have to take a decision. Okay. Right. I do not think AI will be able to capture such a kind of nonsense at this point of time. Okay. At this point in time. But what do you think about using it as like a tool to help students learn math better? Yeah. Do you think it will be helpful? Do you think it can create any, like a new way of learning math along with human interaction? Yeah, that could definitely be helpful. For example, if you want to learn a course better, probably you might generate a few questions related to that topic and then try to solve. Then you can definitely get a positive result out of it. Okay. Using AI in that way is better. Okay. But you do not recommend or you do not think that AI will get to a level that human interaction So, basically it is a proof concept and all. I do not think AI will be able to handle that kind of thing at this point of time. Okay. Got it. So, in this university, there is a lot of disciplines that do not exactly directly deal with math, but they also have to take a lot of math courses. They also have to take a lot of math courses and not everyone is excited about that. Like for example, even computer science. A lot of people might not understand at this point in time where will we use calculus or where will we use this differentiation in doing computer science. Okay. So, for example, you can take biotech. Even biotech or computational biology, they also have math courses, right? What do you say to like, so a lot of them are motivated. A lot of them are like, oh, why do I need to do this course? What do you have to say to add like a motivation to them? Like how would you motivate someone to learn math in that perspective, right? Okay. So, basically, yeah, the same kind of situation I faced when I was in BSc. I mean, I used to think like that. Same thing. Why are we studying all this math, physics, chemistry? Where are we going to use all these things? Because we did not see the bigger picture at that point of time. But after going through all these things, so we realized that, okay, all these things are useful. For example, let us take a mobile phone. Okay. Okay. So, it has different components in it. Okay. Basically, the software, the architecture, right? So, different types of materials. So, everything is in it, right? So, now, what kind of math will be involved in designing a chip? Right. Okay. So, basically, we take up anything, right? Or whether you take a mathematical modeling or weather forecasting. Okay. So, whatever you do, so basically you need to think. First of all, the problem must be clearly defined. Okay. Okay. How to put a mathematical problem or any general problem into mathematics. So, you need to have the thinking to at least define the problem properly. Okay. Okay. So, the thinking comes, basically, the solution steps comes later, actually. Okay. Right? So, converting a generic problem into a mathematical problem or basically any solvable problem should be done in a coherent and logical fashion. Okay. So, that logic will come only if you go through these courses. Only if you go through. Yes. So, that course is the main takeaway is the logic that you learn. Exactly. Exactly. Whatever be the problem, right? So, basically, you need to convert that to a solvable problem. Okay. So, basically, that requires a lot of knowledge. Any technical field that you go into. Any technical field. You can convert it into a math problem. Math problem. Okay. Yes. That is nice. So, you have taught a lot of batches, right? Like over your years in this university. Right. So, what do you think is one ideal quality that every student should have? Like one ideal quality. Ideal quality is basically the aptitude towards, attitude towards learning. Okay. Okay. That is sufficient, actually. Okay. So, the student should be hunger enough to learn the things. If that is there, everything will be okay. As long as they are motivated to learn. Yes. Just motivation is the key. Important. Okay. If they are motivated enough to learn, that is it. So, even if they have any challenge or any roadblock, that might. That can be the point. That might like. I am the example. Okay. Yes. You have mentioned earlier. Yes. So, I have a lot of friends and I think I have spoken to a lot of people that want to eventually get into academia. Right. They want to get into research. They want to publish papers. Right. What is one advice that you have learned from being in this field of academia that you would give them? The same thing. So, basically motivated to do the research, actually. Okay. Right. So, basically they wanted to come with new challenges. Okay. So, new problems in the research domain. So, come up with a problem and then try to look for solutions. Right. Only thing is you just have to be consistently looking at the publications or basically the state of the art literature review and then come up with your own problem and try to give your own solution, actually. Now, a lot of people think that going into academia is a little more difficult than just doing a 9 to 5 job and just working under someone. Okay. Like this is a difficult route is what they would think. What do you have to say about that? No. It is completely subjective. Okay. For me, this is the best job. Okay. If you ask me. Yeah. Different people are different. They have different perspectives towards their jobs. Right. So, you can look at that with multiple perspectives. Yeah. Multiple perspectives. Right. So, you just have to look at it in different dimensions and then you pick whichever suits you best. That makes sense. Yeah. So, I have a very interesting question lined up for you. So, we see everyone dealing with the term mathematician or that he was a mathematician, he was a mathematician. Right. Now, in this age of rapid development in the field of mathematics, what would you define a mathematician as? And before you answer that, would you consider yourself as a mathematician? Mathematician, I do not know the definition of mathematician precisely yet. Okay. Okay. In your opinion, like what do you think a mathematician is? Opinion. So, mathematician basically who generates new mathematical ideas which revamp the entire field of math. Okay. Entire field of research. That I will be considering as mathematician. A mathematician. This is the temporary definition which may be contradicting the existing definition. No, no. That makes sense. Okay. Fine. So, the question is basically. Do you consider yourself as a mathematician? Okay. I consider myself as a mathematics teacher. Okay. Okay. I am not mathematician. I am just mapping the complete area based on the definition which I gave just now. Okay. Okay. So, I am not thorough mathematician yet. Okay. I am basically a teacher of mathematicians. A teacher of. I always consider myself as a teacher. Okay. So, you teach students to get like being interested and motivated by mathematics. Exactly. And those students, like what if those students eventually do revamp the field of mathematics. Do you, would you consider yourself a mathematician then? No, I would not consider that as a, I would not consider me to be a mathematician. I consider whoever has revamped it to be a mathematician. Them to be a mathematician. Got it. Got it. Okay. So, you have expressed your interest in music, right? Okay. Right? You have talked about music a little bit. Okay. Do you think that you enjoy music a little bit more after understanding, like analyzing it mathematically? Or do you find any connection between math and music? Is there anything on that topic that you want to touch upon? No, I did not try to connect the mathematics and music. But I think the axioms are same. Okay. Where the, how the mathematics has been built and the axioms of Sarigamapala, basically whatever music is there. So, I think both are in the same, they both are evolved in the similar manner. That is what I can sense. Okay. I do not know whether I am correct or not. No, I just want to know your opinion about it. Okay. I never tried to connect this. I just enjoyed music as a music. I did not connect it with math. Connected with math. That is nice. But some people are there, they have tried to connect it. Yeah, yeah. Some film medalist, I think Manjul Varga or someone. So, they tried to connect music and mathematics. Math and music. Okay, that is nice. So, okay. So, I want to put you in the scenario. Now, let us say you are in a classroom full of 5th grade, like 5th class people. Okay. Okay. And you are given a task to introduce them to the concept of what a derivative is and what an antiderivative is. Okay. And you are given a task to introduce them to the concept of what a derivative is and what an antiderivative is. Okay. How would you approach teaching people in 5th class? Okay. Introducing them to calculus? Difficult question. Do you think that is possible? Yeah. So, kind of derivative, yes. Probably in terms of change. Change. Okay. Change in, what is that? Change in, maybe velocity. Change in how they run. Okay. So, how the change happens. Whenever they ride a bicycle, how that bicycle changes its velocity or speed. Okay. 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