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Barbie (2023)

Barbie (2023)

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Barbie, directed by the one and only Greta Gerwig, explores concepts of girlhood, womanhood, motherhood, matriarchy, and patriarchy in a hilarious and visually stunning new film. Join us as we discuss the pinkest film of the year! We are also going to briefly talk about Stop Making Sense (1984) because we saw the re-release last night:P

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I was wondering why nobody tells me what to do That's all you need about a reason to want to Cause I've been in love I know what I get and what I give up I'm dying for real It's not another boy who's gonna take you on And on that saddened company I'll be living, probably Although it'd be quite sad You could, you know for me That I can't do I'm my own best friend in company I'll be dancing, probably On the beat I climbed a mountain just for the hype I said it'd just be like riding a bike Knew I could do it and then I was right And I won't look down Take it all to my checklist I'll get to the big thing To the top height If somebody wants to be my height They really gotta be somebody one more time I'm my own best friend in company I'll be living, probably Although it'd be quite sad You could, you know for me That I can't do I'm my own best friend in company I'll be dancing, probably On the beat What is up? Hi guys, it's the MuskaQueer It's the MuskaQueer, happy October Yes indeed, happy October Happy October Completely not on the October theme We're talking about Barbie Yeah, kind of the least indie film we'll talk about Yeah It's just so good though Yeah Very good, very good And I think we're all really excited Barb Sputnik, are we excited? Yeah, yeah Glorbo Barb Barb Barb Yeah Yeah, we also went and saw Stop Making Sense Yes, oh my goodness The Talking Heads Re-release Live concert Yes Directed It was filmed in 83 and released in 1984 Wow And it was in theaters yesterday And we were three of five people in a theater Yeah, pretty much all alone the whole time It was a lot of fun Directed by? Directed by Davey Brim? No Stanley Kubrick What? I don't know No, Jonathan Demme Who also directed Sounds of the Lambs Which is like my favorite movie of all time One of my favorite movies of all time Hannibal Hannibal? Hannibal Oh, oh Is that a phrase? No, I spent I spent Oh no I spent a decent chunk of today Literally just watching some of the press That Talking Heads did for For the movie And I'm like, wow Wow All four of them are in a room together And no knives are coming out The boy who lived No, for real though Time to die No, it was I, myself I, DJ Sputnik I, DJ Sputnik I, myself Have only seen a few clips from the film I had never seen it in its entirety And so getting to see it for the first time Fully last night Was just amazing Talking Heads is I'd have to say they're the group That got me into New Wave And a lot of alternative 80s stuff in general So very special place in my heart I am disappointed though I pointed this out to y'all Last night is that they cut out E. Zimbra from the Restoration And I'm like, I know I've seen it before You know, I pulled up the YouTube clip I'm like, come on, it's right there But we did get to see David Byrne's Excellent dance moves Especially during Life During Wartime And then of course, Girlfriend is Better With the big, beautiful grey suit The big suit It was glorious It was You see his shadow up against the wall And then they pan out And he's in this big boxy suit And it's just perfect It was so fun Peter Freckles and I went in Thinking it was a biopic And then I got extremely worried I was like, oh no It's literally just a taped concert I hope you guys are not mad at me About this as I thought you do I think it was a very, very pleasant surprise I enjoyed it a lot God, imagine being in that audience though I was thinking, if you lived during that time We would have seen you in there I loved all of their outfits Also I know And also another thing that I was surprised Which I can't believe I didn't know this But I don't know I think it's like midway through At some point David Byrne goes off stage To do a costume change And TomTom Club They play Genius of Love So for those of you who don't know So there's David Byrne, the frontman Lead singer There's Jerry Harrison who did Keyboard, he played keyboard Did some guitar stuff And then Tina Weymouth is the bassist With her husband, Chris France, who's a drummer And Tina Weymouth and Chris France Actually have A group of their own called TomTom Club And they played the song Genius of Love Which was cool to hear Also for some reason that song I heard a lot In commercials over the summer And I think you were right There was an artist who did sample it I don't know who I remember watching TV and I was like Wait a minute Let's just pause for a second Yeah It was a lot of fun Super fun experience It was shorter than I thought it would be But I mean Still really enjoyable Nance was dripping in sweat I mean he was literally Running around the stage at one point Doing laps I know, David Byrne American Superstar David Byrne So yeah, Stop Making Sense was great And Now onto the main attraction Yeah, the main attraction being Barbie I almost watched this with my grandparents And then I watched it with my parents And I asked them like, oh do you think My grandparents would have like Enjoyed it, and they're like I think some of the nuance would have been lost on them Yeah I actually did the double feature Oh yeah My friend and I, yeah, we saw Oppenheimer During the morning And then we saw Barbie like during the evening So yeah We did the double feature It was actually an excellent day A wonderful day That's a smart move Because I saw Barbie first and then Oppenheimer Oh man I think seeing Oppenheimer first is the move Because then you got Barbie to cheer you up It's like a dessert Yeah, exactly, like a sweet little dessert I will say The discussion on both sides I hate, like I hate the fact that There are film bros who are dissing Barbie But I also hate How people are just like dismissing Oppenheimer and saying, oh it's boring Don't bother with it, it's dumb and history And I'm like, but it's so cool And it's so well done, and I genuinely Find it fascinating And I mean, come on, the ensemble cast Come on, come on Yeah, no I actually didn't see Oppenheimer, I have yet to It's really good It's so worth the time I've heard good things I don't know, I went to go see Barbie in theaters And I never went to go see Oppenheimer The one thing I didn't like is how they made Robert Downey Jr Like, oh he's the villain Like Strauss Like he was more of a villain Than Oppenheimer was But like There could be some nuance And like morally grayness For both of the characters Yeah But otherwise it was Bomb go brr No, here's the thing Also because we I went and saw it with my Friend Cass, shout out Cass Shout out Yeah, and We kind of got our tickets a bit late So we were like in the second to front row So I was like man, when the bomb goes off We were getting blown Yeah, we were so close And there's just that like 30, 40 seconds of dead silence And you're just waiting Waiting for the sound To come Spoilers guys I didn't know there was a bomb in this movie Just kidding guys, just kidding But um, anyway Should we just dive right into I'm scared P I'm nauseous K Yeah, so actually my first note in here Is that I love Liz's opening song Before I went to go see the movie I listened to the soundtrack And I just think her song is so good My favorite song is of course Speed Drive, Charlie XCX Because yes, un-goth confession here I am quite the Avid enjoyer, well Like from time to time enjoyer of Hyper pop, that kind of thing Um, so it was just Very fun and then the chase scene was also Very fun to watch Yeah Very good, very good Notes about the opening Um No notes about the opening The first note that I have is that every night is Girls night, forever and ever Which I think is lovely Yeah, I have a couple in here Let's see, I said I usually make the Barbies float down the houses Because nobody, when they had kids Sorry, when you have kids with Barbies They never make them walk down the stairs Although I might argue against that Because I think I did make my LPS go down the stairs Oh My Barbie dream house was It was not a store bought one, it was actually one My mom passed down to me Which was made by her dad So I think it had one Little staircase going up to this like Rooftop terrace type thing But other than that You know, there were no stairs between any of the floors So yeah, the whole floating thing Yeah, it makes sense, it tracks The next thing I have in here is Greta Gerwig I love Greta Gerwig Anything created by her is Going to be revolutionary to me Um, I know we have Frances Hall on our list She actually stars in that I don't know if she directed it, but she stars in it Yeah, and then what's the other one Lady Bird, Lady Bird I've seen that, I think I watched it last summer I have not Oh my gosh, oh my gosh Yes, and Timothee Chalamet I actually saw an interview I don't remember him being in it He plays Kyle, he plays like the Wow, I don't remember We'll have to talk about this later, but she's like I don't have a phone, and he goes Good girl It's so weird I think I watched it last summer Before I seriously started like Logging things I know, I know, logging things on Letterboxd And paying a lot more attention, not just watching things To watch them, but, you know So, it was more of a like Okay, I'm just going to watch this real quick for a night But, I don't know We'll talk about that later, the mother-daughter thing Is uncomfortable to watch, but it's Super good, so anyway Greta Gerwig, she directed the film And she did an amazing job doing so Indeed I like that In the intro, they have the Nobel winners And then you have them saying like I worked very hard, so I deserve it Instead of like, later on in the movie Where she's like, I don't know how I got this I'd like to think, Ken And it's like, I don't know Women taking pride in their accomplishments Is not something we see very often Or at least not as directly As we did in the movie Because, oftentimes we see If you have any ounce Of self-confidence, self-assurance You're labeled as narcissistic Yeah You cannot be self-assured You cannot be confident Because then you're just doing too much And you like yourself too much Yeah, and what's a man's job If you care about yourself What is he supposed to do Same thing with Where she's testifying in court Or something, I'm not really sure what that was She says, I have no difficulty holding both emotion And logic at the same time If I use my powers, it makes them stronger That's so good All I want to say is that the whole argument Where like, women, oh they're too emotional To hold power Like, girl, who started every major global conflict Yeah Who started World War I and World War II Yeah It wasn't me, it wasn't us I saw a post that was like, men have succeeded In calling women emotional By making people forget that anger is an emotion Yeah Men get angry all the time But that's not an emotion No, emotion is crying And men never cry Anger is power But crying and sadness is weakness Yeah Naturally I also just love the tacky hair on the mermaid Barbies I heard some people complain about it But like, that's the point Yeah, it was so funny It's like, maybe the best mermaid Barbie I've ever seen It wasn't, yeah No, no, no, no, no Wasn't John Cena He was the mermaid Ken Which I don't think exists I had mermaid Barbies growing up And their hair changed in the water Yes And I think one of them you could fill the tail up with water And it had lights on It'd look all cool Look it up I also thought that the whole scene Between the Kens where they're saying I'm too off right now No, beach Yeah, beach His job is beach But again, even when y'all reacted to the way I said it I was like, that's a little That's a little This is not a kids movie Kids can watch the movie Oh, we looked up the mermaid Barbie Oh, the rainbow lights mermaid Yes, I vividly remember I didn't have it But one of my best friends growing up did And she was the kind of person To make weird Barbies But affectionately She cut off all their hair And they would get executed And it was amazing Cut their heads off, execute? I don't know I remember there being drama and conflict Well, there was drama and conflict Between my Barbies I don't ever remember mutilating any of them Well, one of mine did get mutilated Was not my fault though That dog got the feet Chewed the feet off I was at one of my mom's friend's house And shout out Glinda Wherever you are in the world And her dog accidentally Chewed off this Barbie's feet And this was a This was a special Barbie Oh yes, okay This, relating to what I'm going to be doing On the 15th This was a special Drag racing Especially Force Barbie Who is the daughter of John Force A very respectable Respected racer And also, to clarify When I say drag racing I do not mean the people kind I do not mean drag queens I mean the car kind Where there are two cars going down A straight strip of track Oh my god Yeah, this is That's so sad A little racing jacket And a little helmet, I know I can't for the life of me remember what Barbies I had I'm trying to sit here and think about it, but I just don't know I had a lot of hand-me-downs from my mother as well So a lot of them were older Plus I had a lot of their old clothes And this old case Like a lot of the stuff I got from my mom And then when I hit second grade I transitioned to Monster High dolls I was just about to mention them I love Monster High I still have all mine I think I have my sister's Barbies And then my mom had her Barbies Which her mom would Hand sew clothes for them And she was ever the fashionista But I remember playing Barbie, I didn't play with them that often But when we did I played with my mom And she would be Dr. Barbie because she's a doctor Aww, that's so cute Anyway Yeah, I love that it just brings back Memories I haven't thought about a lot of this in a while I mean really Yeah, and it's so cool It's like, I don't know, relive your childhood in a way Yeah I feel like I definitely went through a phase To skip ahead here Remember, there's a scene in the movie Where when Barbie goes to The real world, spoilers And she tries to find the kid who's playing with her And she goes up to them at the lunch table And she's like Oh, like, do you love Like, I'm Barbie, I solved all your Problems Because The patriarchy is over And women can do anything they want And she's like, um, we hate Barbie And all of the girls are like, yeah, I haven't played with Barbie forever And one of the girls is like, I like Barbie And she's like, oh, never mind But there was a phase where I was like Oh, I don't like Barbie, because that's girly And I'm not like other girls Because, I think Like, little girls see the way That women are treated, like, subconsciously And Learn, like, that femininity Is bad Exactly, so what Barbies were is like, what you weren't supposed to be Yeah, exactly It was like, oh, my favorite color isn't pink I don't like pink at all, that's dumb Or like I don't have a diary, I have a journal Like, for some reason, I would not Call the thing that I write on my secrets in a diary Because that was too girly And being girly was bad, because I internalized, because people are mean to women Just for being feminine I think, for me It was kind of just a natural Progression, like, I I don't think I stopped playing with Barbies Because I had, I mean, I did have the kind of Not like other girls thing, but that came a bit later Um, I don't know I just, I became more interested in Monster High dolls But also, even when I had Barbies and played with them a lot I was able to I guess, syncretize Them with other toys So I, growing up All throughout my childhood, not only did I like Barbie, but I was like The world's biggest fan of Pretty much every Power Rangers generation But especially the original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, which I still firmly believe Is the best generation So, yeah, I would often, like, mix A lot of those action figures and Barbies And then, like, I had some of the Zords, which you could make into a Megazord And Play with those together I kind of mixed them and matched them It was pretty fun I love the Barbie syncretism, like the term that you use Well, because the main use I've heard Like, syncretism is like For religion Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Is it mixing it all together? Huh? Is it like a crossover episode? It's, yeah, mixing things together A syncretic religion mixes elements of different religions together I figured as much Okay, yeah, I just had to clarify Yeah, and the whole, like, girls toys Versus boys toys thing, I don't think that was Mentioned in the movie at all, like Brought up, but No, yeah, because even when they switched the Mojo Jojo Casa houses, it didn't say, like Who their audience was Yeah, exactly, which I guess shows that, like, anyone can play with Barbies And it doesn't really matter You're absolutely right, absolutely right I also, yeah, go ahead Oh, all I have is girlfriend-boyfriend Girlfriend-boyfriend? I just think it's really funny the way Ken says that Because I haven't heard Someone say it like that since I was a kid Where they're like, we're girlfriend-boyfriend We're girlfriend-boyfriend You know, like, exactly like that No, seriously, I want to stay over tonight Why? Because we're girlfriend-boyfriend To do what? I actually don't know I have no idea Yeah, and then that's when you have It's girl's night forever and always This movie is just dredging up all the memories I love that Like, it's Barbie can be stand-alone, but Like, it's and Ken And near the end of the movie He figures out who he is But The girl who's playing with her turns out to be Sasha's mom, who's played by America Forever, so I just call her America Forever And she's like, oh, I never Had a Ken, I was fine just having Barbie And so Barbie doesn't love Ken The way that he loves her And she's just, like, fine being single and all on her own Yeah, I think that's why that she doesn't Like, like, like Ken that way Because the girl who played with her just never had him I don't think It's interesting that we didn't see more lesbian Barbies then I never had a Ken And same for my Monster High dolls I never had, like, um What was his name? Yeah, he was a Gorgon, like, dude or something I never had any of the male dolls either But again, I think I kind of Filled that role With my Power Rangers Oh, yeah, I just Unlocked a memory of me and my childhood best friend In my neighborhood Before she moved away We would take off the Barbies' clothes And draw on their chest Area, like, filling in The parts that weren't anatomically correct Oh, my gosh Like, we would put, like, areolas on them Nice Yeah, and then I was always like Why are they wearing underwear? Like, why don't they have genitalia? Which is addressed in the movie Yeah And then I remember her mom coming in Being like, real women don't look like that Like, real women, like, have curves And, like, more body fat and everything And they have areolas In everything So, I don't know I feel like there's also, like A queer fascination With the woman's body Just like, ooh I think, yeah, there were some times I would literally just, like, play with my Barbies all naked Like, just Take the clothes off and be like, yeah I think if I go back home right now My untouched Barbies Are still lying In their little dream house in a naked pile That is life in the dream house That is life in the dream house I think I also have, like, one Bratz doll Just there She's just there That's okay Did y'all see any discourse About, like, how Ryan Gosling's Ken was getting a lot of attention Some, like, more so than Any of the other Barbies Oh my gosh, Rachel You're so smart Attention And they're like, you know Ken defeats the purpose of the movie If all you care about is Ken Yeah, I feel like I think, I was watching the movie And I was like, here's what I think, right I think the reason we all love, like Little Himbo Ken, really pre-real Like, pre-real world Is that he operates Without, like Like, without patriarchy And so we see that in a man and we're like Whoa, like, this is possible? And they, like, compete for female attention? Like, this is remarkable And I think That's kind of why everybody was so hooked On this character, it's because, like We've never seen I don't think there has been a male character In film that Operates, I guess, under a matriarchy, really Is what it is Maybe I haven't seen it You haven't seen The Emperor's New Groove? Well, I haven't, but I have not, but Wrong letter! He's like, I'm gonna use my knees, my only And he carries her around in a little, like Camper tent backpack And does whatever she says With no regard for The actual king And I would call him the original Himbo Okay, fair Otherwise Ken Yeah, a lot of people, I got really confused When a lot of people were like Oh, this is talking about how women are better than men And men are stupid And we should kill all of them At the end of the movie, Ken has A self-actualization Learning that he's K'naf As he is You know, and Everyone is focusing on him, like you said So I really don't think That's what the movie's about No I've heard people walked out of it because they were so upset I don't What about men? If they're upset about women possibly Being that women are better Somebody either really missed the point of the movie I have some things here about Stuff that probably got lost in translation I think I probably Lost it in translation Oh, okay, well first This isn't lost in translation I just thought it was funny that the entire Mattel Like, CEO planning room Is a bunch of men who are trying to think of how to Empower women And I was like, it kind of just sums up capitalism And patriarchy all at once Exactly And like, oh They get the final say on What female empowerment is like And they keep making excuses Of like I don't know Will Ferrell reminds me He plays the CEO But he's also Lord Business President Business In the Lego movie So they have that same energy But he, when he's describing like Oh, we love women Like this company is made of women We had a woman CEO Two times I'm the son of a mother I'm the mother of a son And then he says some of my best friends are Jewish Which is Which is like Making him like a Nazi sympathizer I don't know man There's a whole allegory Like it's not even about women I can't possibly be Hurtful to these communities Because other people are close to me I have a woman Wait, what did he say? I have an aunt? That's a woman I have a woman aunt So yeah Anyway, I thought that was too funny Did y'all hear all the what was I made for motif stuff In the movie? Yeah, on the rewatch I was like They sprinkle that throughout the whole thing And there's even a jazzy version of it When she meets Ruth Andler Who's the creator of Barbie Yeah So my first loss in translation Is where Ken brings patriarchy Back to Barbie land And Barbie is on her way back With America Ferreira And Sasha the Child The Child Just so we're clear Barbie finds out that he brought patriarchy back She's upset it took over her dream houses All the women are Basically subservient And you have The scene where Ken looks at her And he's like it's not fun is it Basically saying I guess being oppressed isn't fun Yeah I feel like Looking at that If I were a man who really really Missed the point of this movie I'd imagine that they'd almost be relieved That patriarchy was brought into Barbie land I hadn't thought about that See it's not fun But this is the way things should be Because it's how they are in the real world A little breath of relief maybe The last thing you want is women in power Exactly Barbie land is a world in which women are treated like men And men are treated like women And when men finally Experience what Having power is like It's like when women Are actually put in power I think it's a specific guy I think to be like oh I should have had this the whole time But also like That's not sorry oh my god I'm so brainwashed We should have had it the whole time But it's like Even saying that I feel Entitled but Men have had that the whole time So we're also I gotta Think about this You understand what I'm trying to say right I mean it has sprinkled itself into Every single aspect of like Human life at this point And so to say that like I mean I wish it were as easy As just like talking to them And then be like well you don't have to be depressed I mean not depressed You don't have to be oppressed either Like we can all work together like I wish But the fact of the matter is like You're socialized a certain way They're like just I don't even know it's like built into the system It's just it's not that easy And I wish it was And then you have the depression Barbie ad Oh my god Yeah Um It's the bottom of the hour After that I want to talk about Like Barbie experiencing Human feelings for the first time We have some messages from this station over and on We'll be right back More Barbie talk stay tuned Where are we Don't worry Seriously Where are we Hide They smell good music taste Wait I see an entrance over there Almost There Okay We can talk here Welcome to the Belfry Where even you can eavesdrop on a show of the ages With DJ Sputnik on Saturday at 3am We're here Remember It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's on KVRN It's 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