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Wow this was an awesome zoom! Liz explains Orders in Council, lack there of for C19 legislation and Governor General input Imperials Laws Application and Legislation Act Liz goes to Federated Farmers meeting in Ohinewai about the Waimarino wetlands. A big turnout.
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Wow this was an awesome zoom! Liz explains Orders in Council, lack there of for C19 legislation and Governor General input Imperials Laws Application and Legislation Act Liz goes to Federated Farmers meeting in Ohinewai about the Waimarino wetlands. A big turnout.
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The speaker begins by discussing the idea of orders in council and their validity under the Imperial Laws Application Act. They then delve into the details of the act and its implications for subordinate legislation and regulations. The speaker also mentions their intention to bring a case to the High Court on behalf of their union members. They later attend a meeting organized by Federated Farmers and discuss the issue of wetlands and the costs associated with opposing the council. They suggest an alternative solution to the legal costs and highlight the concept of allodial ownership of land. The speaker concludes by sharing their experience at the meeting and the discussions that took place regarding land ownership and legal matters. That's that out of the way, and that's all done. Yeah. Have you got, is it online? Just about. The Facebook thing takes a minute to crank itself up. There we go. There's Facebook. Good evening, Facebook. We don't always say hello, but we know you were there. We know you're there. We know you're there. Yeah, so thanks to everybody that tuned in on there. We appreciate it. Very good. OK. Well, it always seems that we think that we've picked up everything. Something else comes along. Hi, Joanne. Something else comes along. One more thing to shackle the state, and it's not just in the workplace this time. This is another matter that I touched on probably when we started to look at the notifications that have to be in the New Zealand Gazette. Do you remember me saying, Emma, that somebody had come up with the idea of, some lawyer had come up with the idea that there could be a, that all of the orders, and I'm not just talking about the VACs orders, I'm talking about the lockdowns, etc., could be covered by an order in council. And I had said, no, there were no orders in council. And how I knew that was because I checked. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yep. And it's funny, actually. I was looking at a document that I really didn't expect to find any mention of the Imperial Laws Application Act. We've got to go back to the Imperial Laws Application Act, Section 6. Do you happen to have that there? I can soon get it. Great. Now, this, I hope you guys won't find this too lawyerly, because it's what's called, it's definitely public law. It's going to be something that, you know how I said behind the situations with the vaccines in the workplace was that there can't have been a justification for them because the, here we go, we can't have had justification for them because the, there is, you know, it's not, COVID-19 is not a workplace hazard. I'll just pick that up so we can see all that. Okay, this is kind of, it is such a kind of a startling thing that when you think about it logically, you can't help but say, well, then they must have done it wrong. And we found all of the ways they did it wrong. And why they twisted themselves in knots, devising a new act, etc, etc. Going to the point of saying they were going to ignore anything inconsistent with the Health Act, which would, of course, be the act that you would have used if you were playing a straight hand. And there had been such a thing as a, you know, something that was, you could do something about. What is the act for Section 6B? So this is the, I've talked about this act before. This is the basis of our unencoded constitution. Okay, this is the, this is the Imperial Laws Application Act 1988. Now, we're going to look at 6 and 6A. So, you know, you can make some, make some jottings down and then tell me what, you know, tell me what you understand and what you don't understand about this. So remember, we've always said, I've always said that the order is what's called subordinate legislation or secondary legislation. That's the other word for it, which means it is, doesn't hold the power of an act. It's usually made under an act, right? So there's a power to make subordinate legislation under Imperial enactments part of laws of New Zealand. Okay, so the Imperial enactment parts of laws of New Zealand are very limited. So where are they? So we go to Subsection 1. Where after the commencement of this act, so that's 1988, any Imperial enactment that is part of the laws of New Zealand confers power on the sovereign to make subordinate legislation. Okay, so any subordinate legislation that is made after the commencement of this act pursuant to that power and that purports to have effect as part of the laws of New Zealand shall have such effect in, and this gives you good situations, in the case of subordinate legislation that relates to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. Now the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council is something that exists in England, okay? So in the case of subordinate legislation that relates to the Committee of the Privy Council, other than any such subordinate legislation that relates solely to New Zealand, okay, so they're making a distinction between something that's happening in New Zealand and something that's happening in England. If it is made by the sovereign in his or her Privy Council or by the sovereign acting by and with the advice of the consent of the Executive Council. Now the Executive Council in this case is a little bit unclear who they are because it's excluding what's in brackets there, okay? So if we just read it through, in the case of subordinate legislation that relates to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, if it is made by the sovereign, which one would imagine would be now King, what's his name, King Charles, in his Privy Council or by the sovereign, King Charles, acting by and with the advice of the consent of the Executive Council. Now this, because we are part of the Commonwealth and all of these imperial laws that exist, and we can kind of get a feel for them when we look at the schedule, which we'll do soon. Sometimes things are going to happen in England and they'll change something that has been inherited by, say, Australia and Canada and ourselves, right? So that seems to be what A1 stands for. A2, in any other case, if it is made by the sovereign in right of New Zealand, so the sovereign and the sovereign in right of New Zealand are two different things. Also, we don't get any, if we get, yeah, that's right, if we get, we have a look at the interpretation, we can't find anything in here about what is the sovereign in right of New Zealand and what is the sovereign, acting by and with the advice and consent of the Executive Council. Now, is the Executive Council they're talking about in England or is it in New Zealand? It's unclear from here. B, now here's something that is entirely within New Zealand. B, 6.1.B, the Governor-General in Council shall have and may exercise that power for the purpose of making subordinate legislation that has effect as part of the laws of New Zealand. Now, I'd say 6.1.B allows the New Zealand Government to make regulations. Regulations under an Act are subordinate legislation and they have effect as part of the laws of New Zealand. Orders, like we had with the order for lockdowns and the orders for this and the orders for that and the orders for everything else, also are part of this subordinate legislation. So, the Governor-General in Council shall have and may exercise that power, which is the email, for the purpose of making subordinate legislation that has effect as part of the laws of New Zealand. I'd say that's to make orders and regulations. And the level of those regulations and the status of them is the same for regulations or for the orders that were made. But they have to be made by the Governor-General in Council. So, then it says, except as provided by subsection 1, which will be taken 1.B, no imperial subordinate legislation made after the commencement of this Act shall have effect as part of the laws of New Zealand. Right, let's go to 6A, if we can, please. That's the next section down. So, just click to the next section. Okay, Application of Legislation Act 2019. Now, this section of the Act sort of tells you how to. This is a bit of a how-to section. Now, we've talked about the Legislation Act 2019 before because we talked about how under there you can find the sections of the Legislation Act 2019 that say you can't make legislation retrospective. So, you can't say, well, it's against the law today, but it wasn't at the time you did it, but we're still going to go ahead and sue you or do whatever and make it act. For example, if we look at the 7A exemption that people got before, I think it was the 8th of November 2021, if they got that before the 8th of November, they were entitled to not have to get a vaccination. It had to be from a registered medical practitioner, which that's quite a wide range of people as well. It's not always, you know, a GP, right, even though, you know, when you really look at 7A, and I studied it really well because I had to use it in the case that I was arguing, and, yeah, the judge agreed with me. So, let's get back to, you know, what it means for these things called regulations and orders that had to be made by Order in Council. What does that mean in terms of the Legislation Act 2019? So, 6A1, for the purpose of the Legislation Act 2019 and all other legislation, an imperial enactment that is part of the laws of New Zealand is an act, as if it were an act enacted by the Parliament of New Zealand. For the purposes of the Legislation Act 2019 and all other legislation, imperial subordinate legislation, so we're looking at 6A2, this is the one we're focusing on, that is part of the laws of New Zealand is secondary legislation. C, Legislation Act 2019 for publication requirements. Okay. Now, we can find out what the publication requirements are for secondary legislation by looking at section 191, I believe it is, of the Health and Safety Act. And that's where, yeah, Health and Safety at Work Act. No, not Health Act, Health and Safety at Work Act. Oh, this looks like it, yep. Let's have a look at 191. I'm pretty sure it's underneath. Yeah, Designated Agencies. Okay. Right. Yeah, there we go. 1914. A designation under this section is secondary legislation. See Part 3 of the Legislation Act for publication requirements. So, can you click on Part 3 there, please? Okay. Part 3. So, it has to be in the, here we go, D, 67D. Any secondary legislation made by Ordering Council. So, we know that it's, that it's secondary legislation. No, next one. That's an interesting one. One day we'll look at that one. Okay. Here we go. Section 69 of this. Okay. 69. And Emma's already pointed it out to you. Okay. 69. 2. Okay. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 69. 2. The PCO, which is the, what are they called, Parliamentary Council Office, and those are the people who stay up until 4 o'clock in the morning moving around dots and dashes and putting things in alphabetical order. The PCO must notify the making of that secondary legislation by publishing the information required by regulations in the Gazette. Okay. Which includes, as we know from Section 67, I think it is, that an Order in Council is secondary legislation that must be published in the Gazette. The Order in Council was the way that every order that came out during those two years had to be notified and published. That is the law. So an Order, so what is that process, Liz, an Order in Council? What is that? It's basically the Governor-General signing off in that part of her role. Okay. Now, if you look at the Orders as they were published in the Gazette, they weren't published by the, they weren't published as Orders in Council because, and how I know they were weren't, and we didn't miss them, because if you put an Order in Council into, as the searching of the Gazette, you'll find that the last Orders in Council that were actually gazetted were quite sparse, actually. It's not used all that often. It's interesting that it's used in, if they're starting a new state highway. Now, this is going to be one of the things I'm going to be investigating, because one of the things I was going to do when I went down to Ohinewai today, as well as go to the Federated Farmers Meeting there, was to meet the people from the Bird Park, the Hamilton Bird Park, because when, I just came across this section, as I say, it just popped up last night. They were threatened that they would be moved within 10 days, the bulldozers were coming in to bulldoze everything down in the park under the public, what's it called, the Public Works Act 1928. So they were coming in to do that. Now, they're going to put a road in. Okay. And yeah, look at that. It's imperial legislation. Oh, hang on, that might be England's one. Put in Public Works Act New Zealand. Anyway, under the Public Works Act, they were going to take the land. 1981. For a road, 1981. Okay. Now, this seems to be, when they start off, they seem to need to publish an order in council because this is what I could see from the orders in council that had been published. They don't seem to be published very often. It seems to be that, because, you know, you've got, not every Act has a whole set of regulations under it, for example. So you won't be getting sets of regulations put in there as much either. So I'm going to cheek on that. Yeah, only land required for... See, they've repealed a whole lot of stuff as well. Notice of intention to take land. And, you know, they can have an objection heard in the Environment Court. So I believe that, you know, probably not much has been done in terms of looking at this Act and the people getting too much advice, etc. But what I was going to say, but this has got a bit of a tragic end, this story. The people from the park didn't show up in anyway. Anyway, I finally was able to track down somebody who might have known what was going on. Apparently, the police came this morning and escorted them out of the park. They can't even do that. Arrested them and put them to the police station. They can't even do that. They seriously can't. Under the policing Act, they can't do that. This is such bad stuff. This is such bad stuff. I couldn't really get too much information. They are so upset. They've euthanised a whole lot of birds. Apparently, they even euthanised, what's it called? Ruru? Was it Ruru? Oh, the one winged warthog, was it? Yeah, it might be more pork, or was it? That's duck for you. It might have been kaka, the green parrot. What's that, kaka? Anyway, it was a protected bird. Apparently, a lot of other people, bird sanctuaries, have said, we'll take it. We'll take it. This is why we must defeat them. We must defeat them. They are running completely lawlessly. It's not just the gangs ram raiding that we've got to worry about. It's the lawlessness of the people who are supposed to uphold the law. This is dreadful. Anyway, so what we will do with this information, anyway, in terms of the union, we're going to be taking, on behalf of our members, a case, probably in the High Court. We'll try it in the High Court. Because this has got to be brought to the attention of the people of New Zealand. This was pushing a poison jab on the behest of God knows who. Certainly not people in this country, I wouldn't have thought. These are the tow rags of people in another country who are doing this. Okay, more cheerful stuff. Why did I go down to Ohinewai and what happened there? So there was a meeting. Somebody put up on Facebook, and it was on a message, a meeting to be held by the Federated Farmers down at the Ohinewai Hall today. And it was about, I thought it was about SNAs. But when I got there, it turned out to be about the Waimarino, I think it's called the Waimarino, what I'd call swamp, wetlands. Okay. They, and when I saw it was Federated Farmers, I thought, you know, because you know what they're like. Well, they had quite a long, they had a full hall. There must have been maybe 150 people there. It was amazing. This is midday on a Wednesday, right? Fantastic. And, you know, the farmers, it was a great feeling to see, you know, the heartland going, you know, engaging with this. But really what they got lectured on by Federated Farmers was, let's raise some more money. We've spent hundreds of thousands on this already, but we have to oppose the council and we've tried mediation and, you know, there's all of these things that you have to comply with and we've made submissions on this and the council won't consider it and Iwi won't and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it just went on for half an hour and everybody sat there very quietly and then we had a couple of people ask questions and I thought, what sort of question am I going to ask you because I want to talk to you about elodium. Come on, Lord, put some words in my mouth, please. So anyway, half of the spiel was about how much money they were going to need. It was going to take six weeks of court hearings. What? Six weeks of court hearing. You know, we know how much it costs for court hearings. And, of course, they had their woman, their lawyer, who was sort of handling the mediation and stuff and then they had their barrister who was, you know, going to take all of these investigations and everything and take them to the court, to the environment court and argue and da, da, da, da. Anyway, I said, put my hand up, would you like to know how you can cut your costs to nothing? Hang on. I'll get it. I'll get it and read it to you. Oh my gosh, sorry. I wanted to drive. Yeah, the lawyers would be rubbing their hands. I think we might be able to find the bag. What am I going to do with it when I say that? There's it. Hi. Right, so I put myself up beside the presenter and I said, this is what you need to know. I said, this is from 1992, Reform of the Doctrine of Tenure. The Doctrine of Tenure is now a legal fiction. In particular, many New Zealanders have difficulty in comprehending that they are not the owner of the plot of land on which they have resided for many years and for which they have, with effort, paid off the mortgage. The New Zealand Law Commission and NZLCPP 20, Tenures and Estates and Land 1992, recommends the virtual elimination of the remnants of the Doctrine of Tenure. The holders of estates and land would hold the land as absolute owners. The owners of estates and fee simple would thus become the owners, the allodial owners of the land. That is, they would hold the land free of any rights of an overlord. So I said, what that means is, what's happening now is the council and the state, through the state, say they own your land. They're your overlord. And they went, hmm, hmm, hmm. So it was like, yeah, yeah, that's right. And I said, did you know that under Te Turi Whenua Māori Land Act, Māori don't pay rates? Māori freehold land, Māori general land doesn't pay rates? Oh, just a bit of that. And I said, also under the Act, the land cannot be taken for debt. Which means that, you know, I said you'll have heard, you know, that you can't get mortgages. I said, but I'll tell you now, they can get mortgages. They're called no recourse loans. And that means that the land can still not be taken for debt. And, hang on a minute, Wayne, still cannot be taken for debt. And the loans have come from a country outside of New Zealand. I didn't say who it was. I said, the thing is, you need to go allodial. You want to find out how to do it. You know, we'll tell you that. But I said, generally, you should, you own your land legally. I said, it's actually come out this way because there never has been a conquest of New Zealand. I said, I made the submission to the Maori Select Committee on the seabed and foreshore, which then became the Marine Foreshore, whatever it was, Act 2011, and told them that, in actual fact, Sea Simple should not exist in New Zealand because we've never had a conquest because it comes about as a result of the, it's a feudal title. And you have to have a conquest before you can have a feudal title. You have to have a feud first. So at that stage, the guy was saying, oh, you know, it's sort of gotten up time. I said, OK, fair enough, sat down. So then people started to ask questions. There were people there who were saying, you know, we're not, well, we're not going to do it. We're not, you know, we're just going to tell them we can't. We're not going to make a plan. Somebody started to say to the lawyers, we want the lawyers to answer this. What happened? You know, what about this? Because, you know, I said to the farmers, you cannot, because we were hearing how much it was costing to get all of these consents off local government. It was hundreds of thousands of dollars to comply with all of this stuff. They want to de-stock. They want two beef instead of 18 and all of this stuff about the slope of the land and absolutely a total ripoff of farmers. Absolutely. They're trying to drive farmers out of business. They're trying to destroy, to absolutely destroy our country. And this is the Marxist plan, right? This is communism on its way. Central planning that has gone a long way to destroy a lot of the work already, right? A lot of the productivity out of the land already. They won't let them fertilise the land. They won't let them put nitrogen on it. All this rubbish. Yes, now there was somebody talked about this. We had one of the people of Section 83 was there today. And she stood up and said, and what about in the Netherlands? She said they've lost 3,000 farms. And, you know, the presenter was looking quite bemused and everything. So anyway, then people started to question the lawyer. But basically all he did was say, well, if you don't do it, you know, you're going to get fined $1,000. And he basically threatened them. That's what he did. Wow. If those people go ahead and give that blasted federated farmers one more cent, they deserve everything they get. Yeah. But I'm hopeful that, and then somebody else called Gary stood up and said, and talked about SNAs. And he said, have you ever heard of Wahitapu? He said, there's a secret agenda of the Runanga. There's some sort of Runanga agreement where basically they'll take all of the land, they'll put it on the Wahitapu, and it won't be allowed to be farmed. It's one form of SNA. Significant natural areas. Right. Okay. So, and he talked about, where was he? He was talking about Rikatanai, I think. Something like 104,000 acres in the past year. You know. Far out. Is that right? Yeah. Huge swathes of the land. This is pretty much what's happened with that case decided by churchmen, where they took all of the, all down the coast of Whakatane there. And they've shut out everybody else. Right. They've shut out everybody else off those lands there. Right. Right. Now, Maori took up what I said with a vengeance in 2011. Yeah. And they don't own the land either. Okay, guys? Absolutely. We've got all of the proof of exactly how the doctrine of conquest works. We've got all of the proof about how they were paid twice in many cases. They have no moral or legal basis, probably, for any of those settlements that they've got. It's going to be a bloodbath for them eventually. I'm talking figuratively here, guys. Of course, I'll always fight with legal weapons. I inflict hurt and humiliation and money back, etc. But, you know, never would touch anybody. No. Carers of the whenua only? No, they don't care for the whenua any bloody differently from anybody else. Forget all the spiritual bullshit. It's an absolute bullshit that has been pushed about, you know, well, you can't look after the land properly because you're not Maori. What a load of rubbish. What a load of rubbish. These people who were there today, the farmers who were there today, they were looking after their land so well. They were trying to do everything just to keep on farming. How any of them make any money out of it? I'm darned if I know. And, of course, it hurts all of us because every time they have to spend that, any business that has to spend so much on compliance with all of this rubbish then has to pass it on to us, right? So, people, we are going to talk about Elodio on, Kelvin was the one who told me about this meeting happening actually. Kelvin is going to do some interview on, I'm going to record it on Friday night, so about nine o'clock I'm going to record that. I don't know when that will be out, that will be on Television Media, but we'll talk more about what's, you know, the kickstart that we've given, given the Elodio, down in Ohinewai. The, what do you call it, the, I was going to say, sorry, it slipped my mind now. But, yeah, we will, oh, that's right, territorial. The state or the Crown has got no territorial authority in this country. You only get territorial authority through a conquest, right? They've got administrative authority, that means they administer the law, that means they set up the courts, they appoint judges, yeah, to administer the law of the land. The law of the land requires, this is why I say these political settlements that have been made, which are known as the, you know, settlement, the same Ngāti Whātua Claims Settlement Act, et cetera, et cetera. They're all made on verbal recommendations, right? Yep, yep, nothing to do with the Treaty. Nothing, well, the thing is, yeah, they call it the Treaty, they call it the Waitangi Tribunal. It's actually got nothing to do with land law whatsoever. It's political expediency to grab the land, to grab the land, right? And, yeah, what the whole country, not going to have it on our watch, eh, guys? This is, I'm not talking about, you know, I'm talking about elites here. I'm talking about iwi, I'm talking about, you know, the people who get the settlements and then nothing happens with the ordinary people because, of course, they haven't got the whakapapa. No, they get nothing. Haven't got the bloodline. Yeah, yeah. Haven't got the bloodline. Okay, so that's what I've been doing today. I'm going to talk a little bit also, because people will be interested, in the case of Toms, Sue Toms. She is the lady who's legally blind, who won a case against, what was it, low vision limited, I think we called it. A couple of things out of there. It was another Schedule 3A case about how the bosses were supposed to exhaust every option. It's moved a further, it's moved a further notch down, you know, notch up the ladder if you like. But what I made a note of was they, she had, oh yeah, the authority found, because what happened about the exemption, right, she has MS, this poor lady, and she went to the doctors and they said, no, you shouldn't get it. She said, oh, you know, they must have said to her, wait until something else comes out. And anyway, so she went and said that. So she didn't get what they called the medical exemption under 7A. On the 15th of, so after that time was passed, the bosses suddenly decided, oh well, she has to get it anyway. So I would say, reading between the lines, they were going to try, you know, they were going to have to try their best. And then when they discovered she was under the schedule, okay, I'm talking about Schedule 2 of the order, it was like, oh no, we can't find you anything. So they used the order to just basically do what they didn't, they didn't really even thought they didn't have to take notice of 3A. Now what the authority member said was if she'd had an exemption, they would have had to have, what was it, they would have had to, you know, accept that and they would have had to found something for her. So basically all those people who went and got 7A exemptions have the right, you know, have the unjustified dismissal because they were not allowed to, if you had a 7A exemption, they were not allowed to dismiss you. So it's a step up there. It's awesome. There was, she also argued, they also argued on her behalf, discrimination for a medical reason. The authority didn't accept that, yeah, they didn't accept it because Section 105 did not include what they seemed to think the medical condition was. They said, you know, I don't know if they looked under, they had a really good look at the Human Rights Act, which is where it actually lists what those medical exemptions are and they can be quite a number of things. But the test is, would it have been applied to other workers over the same job? Okay, so they seem to sort of be sidetracked a bit by the fact that she's legally blind and said, oh no, she wasn't discriminated against because, you know, any other legally blind person would have been treated in the same way if she didn't have the vaccination. Whereas we're saying the vaccination, the fact that she's unvaccinated is where the discrimination lies because the vaccination is supposed to, was supposed to make you be better than your own natural immunity, right? Which it wasn't, you know, it wasn't. And so basically what they're doing is they're discriminating against the unvaccinated for the medical reason of their belief that the vaccination conferred some sort of superior immunity that's, well, in terms of the purposes of the Act, the only way that you could justify that was to say people who were vaccinated were less likely to pass the COVID on to somebody else. It didn't make any difference. Because, of course, when they got vaccinated, if they were healthy beforehand, then they got a dose of the bug and then they started spreading it to everybody. So, you know, vaccination is to give you a small dose of the disease. And, you know, they're saying, oh no, no, it wasn't, it wasn't a small dose of disease. Well, yes, it was, actually. It was, it caused the, it caused you to have exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19. And you would spread it all over the place to everybody. So people who were healthy before they got it, you know, then became disease factories. And, you know, so we're not going to give up on discrimination in the case. We've sent a whole lot of those over to the Human Rights Commission, though, to sort of get some stuff done. But, you know, of course, I've spoken on previous Zooms about we've got six years to take all of this stuff now anyway. What else was there about that case? It's scribbled. Oh, yeah. They said that low vision health limited, or whatever they're called, could have gone for an exemption from the Director General of Health. So remember, the only exemption that you could go for yourself was 7A. Everything else, the employer had to go for you. So I think that one might have been 10. I'd have to have a look back on clause 10. But I know that 12A was for, you know, because we need to keep the business running. That was another thing I talked a little bit about anyway today. I did go and speak to the lawyer and said, because her arrogant sidekick, the barrister, took off somewhere by the time I, because I had to go out and take a phone call. By the time I came back, I think he'd sort of been, he'd off somewhere. Oh, shit, that low vision. You know, look, I'm very familiar with the Health and Safety at Work Act, and I said, you know, in terms of risk, you know, farmers should be able to take those same sorts of principles that are in the Health and Safety at Work Act. And if it's too expensive to do all of this stuff, you shouldn't have to do it. You've only got to mitigate to what is reasonable to keep your business running. And she said, oh, yes, yes, we know that. And that's what we'll argue in the Environment Court. Well, I said, well, I said, that's good. I said, but the thing is, the farmers own their land. It's a different ballgame. I said, you go in there, because she'd been sort of rolling her eyes about all the mediation busts that she was having to go through. The Greens are giving the farmers a hell of a hard time as well, of course. The Greens and Iwi, so they've got three lots against them. They've got the Greens, they've got Iwi, and they've got the councils, right? I'd say the councils are the least of their enemies, because the councils, you know, I mean, it gives them a lot of work, but they're struggling to meet all of the requirements of central government. And so I said, you know, but it's a different ballgame. I said, you go in there and tell them, because I think the farmers are going to tell you now. We own it. We want to have nice, healthy farms and treat the land well. And, you know, Resource Management Act is supposed to be, what's that supposed to go, the principles of the treaty? What the hell that means, I don't know. Right, but, you know, it's their ballgame now. So you don't have to, you don't have to kowtow to them. Say, this is what we'll do, like a little lump it. So whether she will or not, she said, oh, thank you. I mean, more compliance, more compliance doesn't lead to less compliance, does it? No, well, this is the thing, and this is what the people mostly had, who were the dissatisfied ones, who were, you know, putting the barrister on the mat when I had to leave for a few minutes. We're not going to comply. And then he was like, you know, we'll get fined then, you know, we're doing our best. Yeah, of course, it's death milking. And my friend who was driving me back said, the only people getting milked in the Waikato are the farmers. The only thing getting milked in the Waikato are the farmers, yeah. Yeah, they've got themselves into a bit of a... By the lawyers. Yeah. By the lawyers, who should bloody know better. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, why don't they, and the thing is, I said, here's what, here's the thing that you should do. And I, this was sort of, I was talking to some of the people later, I said, just ask them this question. I'm not going to pay rates. Māori don't pay them. Tell me the reason why they don't and I have to. Right? Yeah. And that's it. Yeah. I mean, if you want to, under the Māori Housing Act, we can all be Māori. We can actually... No, thank you. Why the hell should you? No, I know, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that's a play. To, you know, because we're not going to play that game. If you're Māori and if you're not Māori, why are you doing that? It's dishonest. Yeah, but that's what I mean. Like, why is it, if you've been here for three years, you can become Māori. So, what the hell is that all about? Oh, really? If you've been here three years, is that right? If you've been in New Zealand for three years, it doesn't matter what nationality you are, you can become Māori. Where's that? The Māori Housing Act, 1935. Oh, yeah. I think that's an interpretation that's got to be tested in court. I don't believe that'll stand up. I've had a look at that Māori Housing Act. It says people of Pacific Islanders, I think. No, maybe it's Pacific Islanders. But anyway, it's definitely people of Māori ancestry. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think that that will run in court. I think, you know, colonial is unassailable. Unassailable. Māori have done a bloody good job because they've shown us the way, OK? Now, all you have to do is copy. Right? Oh, yeah. You're right, Liz. It's for the purpose of this Act, the term Māori shall be deemed to include any Polynesian who is a native of any island of the South Pacific Ocean and any person who is a descendant of such Polynesian, if in either case he is a citizen of New Zealand or has lived in New Zealand for three years and is a permanently... Yeah, but that's for the purposes of housing. That's not for the purposes of saying this land, you know, they might have a house, but they'll still pay rates on it. This is for everybody. This is not just for farmers. This is for everybody. And the reason I say don't pay the rates is because this is the way we will starve the beast. Right? We've got to do that. Because look at what they did to those. Look at, and I'm talking about the beast, including the so-called police. Right? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? Which part, Wayne? Maybe it's addressed to somebody else. Oh, the Māori Housing Act, 1935. But disregard that. It doesn't exist because under the 1947 Māori Purposes Act, they changed everything. They're going back 16 years to 1931. Native Land Court and Native Lands is now to be known as Māori Land Court and Māori Lands, 1947. So whatever happens before that is bullshit. Look it up. Yeah. No, I don't know much about it. I've been on a few Zooms where they talked about it. Yeah, yeah. No, no. People have tried hard. I mean, you've got to give it to them. They have tried hard. But sometimes the simple thing is that. Right? The simple thing is that. So I talked to quite a number of people, and we will see. It's like a stone dropped in a pond. A very, very, very, very, very large pond, though. So it might take a while to reach the outer limits, and you might not see much on the very, very outer limits, but it's going to happen. Okay? They can't unhear what they heard. And it's a simple thing to refuse your rights and say, well, no, I don't pay them. No, exactly. Yeah. It's hard. You know, like if people have got mortgages and commitments to Fonterra and cows that have to be milked and milk that needs to be sold. Now, if you haven't got a mortgage, of course, it's a very simple matter. If you have got a mortgage, we have a way. We have a way because what they do is they go after the payment of the rights to your bank. Okay? There is a way to stop that, but we won't talk about that too much tonight because in the first instance, we get it moving. And, you know, I'm testing it with the person up north. Yeah. That sort of comes down to 1649 and all of the stuff, eh, Liz? It's not just... Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the... I think that's why England became an administrative empire. If you look at, there's a case in the letter that I wrote to the Governor-General at the time that Kelvin and I established New Freeland, made the colonial claim on New Freeland. And it doesn't mention Elodio, but it gives the whole history. It's called Ngati Apa versus the Attorney-General, I think. And Sean Elias, who was the Chief Justice at the time, goes through all of the administrative history in different parts of the world. And, you know, out of that case, I drew a Nigerian case, which shows that the British always only held administrative jurisdiction, not territorial jurisdiction. Because territorial jurisdiction requires a, you know, jurisdiction, I'm talking about the right to have a say on the sale and purchase of your land, if you're going to charge any taxes, et cetera, et cetera. What about Hong Kong and India? Hong Kong is a really interesting one, right? India was always an administrative... The British never said they owned any land in India. Because they didn't do a conquest of India. They didn't do... I can't think of any way they did a conquest. And I think it's probably because of 1649, because they didn't have a legitimate royal. You know, they used charters, even in the U.S. But, yeah, what's the other one? Hong Kong, right. But Hong Kong, they won the opium war that the Chinese were fighting against. And the Chinese were trying to stop the British from using Hong Kong as their staging post for opium from India. So they were exchanging opium for tea and silk, I think. It was called the triangle trade. And then they'd resell those commodities. So opium and heroin was legal. But the Chinese populace was so... I mean, the society was getting wrecked by the opium. And so they tried to stop the British. The British beat them and took Hong Kong off them on a 99-year lease. Now, the thing is, that's interesting, too, because why didn't they just say, OK, it's ours now. We beat you in a war, and we'll occupy it, and it's ours. And we'll sell, you know, we'll take... I don't know if they took rent. They probably did take rent as the leaseholder. OK, so they had the lease. And then in 1997, that was the end of it. So then it went back to China. But China, OK, so there'd been a sort of a conquest of Hong Kong, but not of China. Before 19... Oh, yeah, I think it's 1947, China too. They had... That's when it became... Oh, hang on, Chiang Kai-shek. That's more in your 20s, I think. So China had a time when they threw off the emperor. OK, so they threw off their feudal system. They had a republic. And then Mao and the Long March, they chucked out Chiang Kai-shek. They went to Taiwan. That's where the government is there, right? The Chinese have got basically another feudal system, right? So they've re-established a feudal system. But while that was going on, Hong Kong was under British lease. In 1997, it didn't actually then become part of China. It's got a separate thing. Hong Kong's a load of them. Oh, true. The way I see it. Because no conquest. Yeah. Because the British gave it up freely. They would have been the conquerors of Hong Kong, if you'd seen it in terms of the law of conquest. Yeah. Because when they gave up the lease, they took their administration out of there. Same with India, right? So with India, they did a deal with the... And see, here we go again with the bloody elites. With the Rajahs, they gave them loads of money and said, we'll take over the administration. They were in a feudal society. We'll take your peasants and they'll pay the rent to us. And we'll give you, you know, you go and live in London or wherever. You don't even have to look at these dirty peasants anymore. How did India get free of them? They starved the beast. Well, they showed an inclination to, right? It was called the Salt March. They went... Gandhi refused to encourage people not to pay the salt tax. And the writing was on the wall. Yeah. Wow. So the British thought, no, no, no. This isn't going to make us any money. We're going to have to spend money here rather than get out of here. So they pissed off. Yeah. I can't think of anywhere where they took, after 1649, that they went anywhere and fought. But they were never into discovery. But discovery doesn't give you any rights of possession. But even the wars weren't about that. The wars weren't about... What's that? The wars weren't about claiming land, really. No, no. Oh, no. You know, those wars that were fought by the Imperial troops who came here, they were about Maori's refusal to honour, mostly about... not about Article 2, but refusal to accept that they had signed a treaty, that they had, you know, that basically, you know, they had started to attack settlers. This is great because we only get that about the 1860s, right? So this is about 20 years after those wars are. And the Imperial troops came to protect the settlers. And this was because, of course, here we go back to land again. We know that they kicked off in Taranaki, in Waitara, because there was, you know, somebody who didn't have the right to sell land, sold land. Settlers got on there. Then, no, they didn't get there. Surveyors went and wanted to, you know, survey up the land. And the pigs got pulled up. And then settlers got attacked where they actually were living, and that's why they brought in the troops. So, you know, of course, it's always overkill, isn't it? So then they, you know, anybody who showed signs of supporting, you know, their cousins or something, you know, the land was confiscated. Most of the land went back, okay? Most of the land went back. It went back under lease on the Taranaki, okay? And, of course, there were claims made. But, you know, a whole lot was settled by 1840 because it was, you know, all written down about who had done what because, you know, the British crown was like the Nazis. They write everything down. So, yeah, but the claims after 1940 are spurious because they've got it. And you can see there's going to be one at the moment. I think Ngati Whatua are going to – they had a choice of going to – I think they're claiming a whole lot of the islands of the Gulf. They're going to – they had a choice to go to the court or to the Waitangi Tribunal. Well, guess what? I don't think they're going to the Waitangi Tribunal. I think they were just going to do a talk with the crown. Have a talk with the crown. Who has no legal jurisdiction whatsoever. It has nothing to do with land. No. Nothing to do with land. Far out. This shows you people should stick to their knitting, eh, and then they wouldn't have got themselves into so much hassle. But then it was too much money to pay. Yeah, yeah. So, interesting times ahead. I'll say. Wow. Well, hopefully those farmers will get what the programme lives or some of them anyway. Yeah, well, you know, as I say, the other thing that I want to do is the Hamilton Common Law Group had bought the old Huntly Courthouse. Yeah. And I've said, I'll odialise the land and stop paying the rates and we'll take on the state. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. Have we got any questions? People got any thoughts about such a wide range of topics tonight? Yeah, it has been kind of wide ranging. Super interesting. Yeah. Yeah, we got all of the really difficult stuff off first. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, Lynette. Yes, Lynette. Hi, Liz. Hiya. Welcome back from Aussie. Thank you. Yeah, still recovering, but I went to my hairdresser yesterday and she is a South African woman who came here. It's nearly seven months now. And she was so excited to tell me yesterday that she was nearly through her immigration, which may I say cost them thousands of dollars, to get to New Zealand. And she said, I'm so excited, Lynette. She said, I'm so happy to see you. She said, I wanted to tell you. She said, I've had my third juice. And she says, and now they have my process for my New Zealand residency is going to be probably 10 days away. And I said to her, I said, you didn't have to do that. And she said, yes, I did. Otherwise, they wouldn't let me get my residency. And honestly, I felt so damn sick since. And she said that she's never had her children done. First of all, to get to this country, she had to have two. And then for her to actually get her final stage of a New Zealand residency, because she's from South Africa and she said that country was shocking. She said, I had to do it. And I was like, oh, I'm so sad. It's like, what is this frigging corporation doing to people? No wonder they don't want to come to this frigging country. God forsaken country. Oh. I came home on the Emirates, and I've been flying Emirates for 15 years. And that plane has 800 people it can take. And I'm not kidding you. If there was 200 people on there, I would be surprised. And most of the people were Kiwis returning who had been to Europe or on their OAs. And I thought, good lord. When is everyone just going to goddamn wake up? So disheartening, because Wendy is such a wonderful person. She thinks she's in God's heaven. But she's not in God's heaven. You're in the hellhole. Hellhole of the Pacific. That's what they used to call us. Oh, no. Just come back. Sad. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know if you were on the Zooms when we talked about the fact that people from Afghanistan didn't have to get the vaccine to come in here. I know. The people from the Ukraine didn't have to get the vaccine. I know. And they were supposed to be. And also, for the travel in here, the people who had claims in for residence, they weren't supposed to either. Yeah. Man. But even to get here, she had to have two, and she was quite happy with that. She was so happy yesterday telling me that, you know. And I'm thinking, oh, I said to her, you didn't have to do that. And she said, yes, I did. And it's like, oh, no, you didn't. Yeah. That's just shocking. What would you call that? Immigration in New Zealand are still doing these things, as I say. That's why we have to serve the beast, you know. Yeah, I know. We have to serve the beast. I mean, this girl's 47. That's just like blackmail, isn't it? Exactly. Exactly, Emma. Just disgusting. I'm sick of it. God, it would be interesting for her to take a case against them somehow, but I don't know how that would work. Oh, but eventually, you know, eventually, these things must happen because, of course, you know, every day we get closer to it. But the way is paved with death and destruction. Yeah. Yeah, and my sister came over last weekend for my niece's 50th birthday, and she's had everything, and she had a stroke, and I think I've told you about this before, but, my God, now she can hardly breathe. It's like, there you go. Wounded people, but she still doesn't believe it, you know. I listen to the doctors. Getting to the stage where it's, I don't know. Keep your chin up. Yeah. It is all trying to weaken, destroy the human spirit. So the more they try, the more you have to turn to the Savior, the more you have to rely on that. I know. That's the only thing that will make these guys back down. Yeah. The good news is, though, Karleen was in court today for the last time with that, I'm sure you'll watch Sunday on Sunday, that case. I haven't heard how it went, but. Sorry, what's she in there for, Lynette? For the, you know, for that child sex trafficking. Oh, right, so. The last court case today. Right. I hadn't heard from her. So is she supporting? She's a witness. I mean, the 15 year old girl. Oh, God. Okay. Very good. Very good. Yeah. So it'd be really good if she gets someone to come on and tell us about her experience in the court. Yeah, yeah. Because there's going to be a lot more court cases on all sorts of aspects, but, you know, the children and what's going on with them is, of course, is closest to our hearts. She broke her phone a while ago, and I paid for a new phone for her today, so she'll come back on more. Oh, good. Yeah. Amy's not very good at sharing her phone. Oh, Alicia's put up it's sold for six, 15 year old, exploited it, paid two euros. That was over three years ago, remember? Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because was that the one up north that involved the businessman? Yeah, with all the Willie Jacksons and Calvin Davies and all that bullshit. Yeah. Did you watch it? I didn't watch it. We don't have TV here, but... I made a point of watching it. Did I send it to you? I should have sent it to you. All right. I couldn't believe it. I actually couldn't believe that TVNZ was advertising it on the Muppet Show, and I thought, no, that can't be true. And then Carleen put that post out about Aidan Thomas Poha Pata from the Canes Bay here. Whoa. She put out a post about what? Oh, when she was down here six months ago, she always plays down at Madeira, and she invited this creature from the Canes Bay. We hadn't met him until, like, our little fuddy here, you know, us four struggling people in Akaroa, and he basically called her a Freemason. Whoa. That went down like a dose of salt. Oh, I bet. Wow. So she put a post up, and I thought, oh, okay, I better watch this. I can send it to you. Don't worry. I thought I had, actually. So he called her a Freemason. A Freemason. Some people just throw labels around. They don't know what the hell they're talking about. Yeah, well, anyone who lived in the Canes Bay in the Banks Peninsula is a dodgy anyway. Oh, true. Anyway, and he basically insinuated that me, Janine, Susan, Lisa and that had confirmed that she was a Freemason. Yeah. Wow. You do that in your sleep or something? I think he's a nutter. He's got mental issues probably. Sounds like it. So what did he have to do with the 15-year-old? No, no, when Karleen just put up, she actually put up advertising on her page that Sunday was going to actually air, because this has been happening for like eight months. You know, TDNZ said they were going to do it. And Karleen just posted, you know, to her group that to watch it. And he came in on her post. Oh, I see. And basically said she's a Freemason. And Lynette, Lisa, Janine, Susan had said yes, had agreed with him that night and said, yeah, she's a Freemason. So what? Are you feeling all right, you lunatic? He got the rundown, just like she did with Derek Tate, Mr. Late. Oh, Derek Tate. Oh, of course. He's one of the best in the churches, isn't he? Yeah. He's the one down here in Christchurch. Yeah. Yeah. Susan couldn't stop laughing. She watched it twice. I just see her comment. But it was like so insane. He was like, he's not the full clip, man. Yeah. He was passing one of the young guys here at it that night. That's when I told him what I thought of him. You know, don't you dare do that to this boy who's already got, you know, issues. You don't need people like you. But he's not really old. He works at the Canes Bay Museum. And he's just like, Steve, be careful what you say, sonny. She's got a big following. I'll send it to you. So I'm just looking at Alicia's comment there about it's rather interesting that Michael Woods gets airtime on that news story, Waste of Space at MP. What? To do with the 15-year-old, Alicia? Are you referring to that? I totally agree, Alicia. He's full of crap. But what's Michael Woods got to do with the trafficking? Put your microphone on, Alicia. Are you there, Liz? Can you hear me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm just trying to refresh. But, yeah, he got quite a lot of airtime on that thing. I think he's the Minister of Workplace Relations, isn't he? And they were tying it all in. It wasn't just the 15-year-old story. It was sort of also talking about, well, there was a touch of migrant exploitation as well in all of the trafficking side of things. So they sort of tied it all in, and then that's how Michael Woods sort of got into the news. So what are you going to do about it? The key question is basically what are you going to do about it, I mean, in simple terms, you know. But he did the double-speak thing and actually said a whole lot of nothing. So he took it as an opportunity to push about, you know, what they're going to do, you know, for the unions, because he's going to keep them on side. That's his main thing at the moment, to keep them as trained lapdogs. Yeah. He's such a little dweeb, isn't he? Yeah. What is it, short-sounding syndrome? Yeah. He is a little guy. Sorry, Liz, but it does say here in the article that they refer to him as the Immigration Minister. Oh, he is. Oh, I see. He's the Immigration Minister. Who is in charge of ushering in unions. Yes, they have a number of portfolios. I mean, they can't even do one properly. I don't know why they give them any more than one. They need to concentrate on stop jabbing people for the third time to actually get their residency, Alicia. That is shocking. That is shocking. Yes. You can see that this jabbing people is part of everything. Like, is there any chance they can get their, you know, any more news on the notice to send schools the day pride week? Oh, Lord. Okay. People should be able to keep the kids away for a week. You know, but this is the thing. This is the thing. I mean, parents have got to get to work. They do. They can adapt your submission. Hey, Liz. If they want to send something or just, yeah. Let's just hope there's about 3 million. People could go and demonstrate. People could go and say, this is disgusting. I mean, let's see. Let's test freedom of speech. Because there is no hate speech law in this country. No. They've said, you know, oh, we're going to keep trying for, you're not allowed to speak badly about somebody else's religion. Right? But everything else is off the table. So they're not going to try it, you know. Well, Christ is. Because, you know, these young ones need to know that the elders think it's disgusting. Yeah. 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