N8WUNZ 20230426 (W) Child Grooming For Pedophilia In NZ Schools

The conversation revolves around concerns about the Ministry of Education's curriculum for sex education in schools. The participants discuss the potential dangers and inappropriate content being taught to young children. They express their intention to raise awareness and take action through Section 83, a legal provision that addresses workplace hazards. They also discuss the need for teachers, parents, and the community to unite against the curriculum and protect children's innocence. They emphasize the importance of supporting teachers who refuse to teach the curriculum and highlight the prevalence of sexual misconduct allegations against teachers. The conversation ends with a discussion of the link shared in the chat, which provides information about grooming and the legal issues surrounding it. Just get the recordings going. There we go, that Facebook organised hopefully, and Liz is on her way, beaming down from higher places, as she does. Yeah, what's Nikolai say, yeah, pretty obvious, most parents don't care enough about what is happening in schools, yeah, you'd have to wonder, eh? Hi Andrea, and Ness, hi Emma, I got to meet Liz again yesterday in person, it was so good. Yeah, well, I'm on the mainland now, so, yeah, we'll get together a bit more, Emma. Let's not forget, these are the same people that lined up for boosters. You're talking about the teachers? Well, the parents of the kids. Oh, the parents of the kids, yeah. That still send them along. Yeah, well, we're not going to rely on them. No. We're going to rely on the law. Yeah, awesome. Everything's recording, Liz, so you can tear into it. Okay, very good, thanks very much, Emma. Has Dora managed to get on? I don't think so. I'm just wondering if you need to send her a link. Oh, I can do that. Have you got an email for her? No, I don't. I'll text it to you. What's her surname? Because I don't think I'm even friends with her on Facebook, so I can't even... Sorry, what was that? What's her surname? Smith. I don't think I'm even friends with her on Facebook. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean, this is really important, but I've been thinking all day, Okay, we'll make sure that you send an invitation to Dora. Okay, but I'll send her your... I'll send you her email. Sorry, yeah, her email. I'll do this. So... Sorry, guys, it won't take long. Just cut all the stuff at the beginning of it, if you can, at the beginning. I'll just pause, eh? Okay. Oh, hang on. Here we go. Oh, I'm trying to put it on the down. I'm trying to put it on the mesh. Oh, I know. I know what I do. I don't put that in. Watch what I do. Okay. So, the whole purpose of Section 83, remember, it was to raise a hazard in the workplace. And, yeah, that's right, Rhonda. We want to help the teachers, but we also want to scare the shit out of them. Okay? Because they need both, I think. They get into a helpless situation, and sometimes the only way to get them out of it is to scare them out of it. Right? Now, remember with Section 83 is that you raise a hazard, and you say to the employer, you've got to look at this in the first place and see if you can mitigate it. Okay? The first thing they have to do is actually notice that it's there. Right? That's part of the Health and Safety at Work Act. They wouldn't even consider that the VAX was a danger. That's going to come back and bite them. There were two things, of course, that we raised. One was the vaccine, and the other was the quality of the workplace. They wouldn't even look at testing the work surfaces or anything like that either. Okay? So, yeah, we'll definitely get them. Now, what we're saying in this case, with Section 83, is that the curriculum, the Ministry of Education curriculum for sex education is a hazard. Right? It's a danger to the children, and actually could put the teachers of it themselves in danger. Now, the way that it can be brought up to them that they are in danger, because I'll tell you what, people are completely self-centered. I've come to that conclusion, that they could have accusations raised against them. Right? This idea of teachers teaching sex education to groups of children, and all of these discussions, et cetera, with the aim of the most horrendous stuff, the materials, I haven't seen the actual materials yet. Dora, yeah, they're talking about teaching very young children masturbation. That's one of the most shocking things. Teaching them how to have sex. They do, I notice in the booklet that they've got out at the moment, they do make the note that actually sex under the age of consent in New Zealand is 16. But with this increased sexualization, and we saw what happened with the jab, they're going to try and get the kids to start making a fuss and saying, you know, the age of consent should be lowered. I know what I feel like. I know what I want. Dora has a degree in social work, and she's a special counsellor for sexually abused children. So she knows her stuff. Now, I sent over to you on the Facebook, on our N-A-W-U-N-C-E-N-T, Emma. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm just getting those now. Okay, so the link talks about the sexual grooming and what it involves. Do you want me to screen share? Yeah, screen share if you want. Because I've got the, what's this one? So if you can open the link and then screen share it, that would be really good. Yeah, so this is the Safeguarding Children, yeah. Aotearoa, what is this? Yeah, grooming, vexation, submission, December 2021, Safeguarding Children. Oh, yes, yes. Now, this is one of the submissions that we entered, which is kind of for the... Grooming can happen in a person as well as online. The Crimes Act does not include grooming by someone in an institution, community or family situation. So the Crimes Act 1961, though, Dora has pointed out Section 131B1 of the Crimes Act. Okay. She's also pointed out, because what we're doing is we're putting together, or she's initiated it and I'm helping her with the editing and suggestions for the editing. But she's putting together a notice of concern. And it's going to go out to the Boards of Trustees and Principals and the Parent Teacher Association. Pointing out that under the... Here we go. I think this is it, yeah. I think this is where she's got some of the points that she's putting in. But what she also has in the letter are the numbers of... And I took it out of the letter and sent that over to you, Emma. And that's the numbers about the numbers of teachers. I think there's over 300 allegations currently in the system. There were quite a number of teachers convicted. These are all going before Professional Conduct Committee hearings. They'll be going to the Teachers' Council and they'll hold things. So it's all happening, but it's all kind of undercover, right? And parents will be completely alarmed when they see these figures. So what the notices... Over five years, 20-plus school teachers were struck off after sex crimes convictions. Hang on, can you put that up so I can see it? I'll just put it in the chat. I just put it in the chat, yeah. Okay, let's have a look at the chat. So this was something I took out of the letter. Hi, Alicia. I took out of the letter that's going to go to the Notice of Concern. I shouldn't call it a letter because there's... Dora's pointed out this is to do with... This is the legal problems that they could have. And this is one of the biggest she's put in there. Over five years, 20-plus school teachers have been struck off after sex crime convictions and more than 20 teachers have had their registration cancelled after being convicted of sex offences. More than 330 have had allegations of sexual misconduct made against them. In 2022, five teachers have been struck off and 82 have faced or are facing allegations. So this is an epidemic, an absolute epidemic, and a horrific idea. I mean, it makes my head swim to think of my grandchildren going in. And teachers... And this is what Dora's pointing out in the letter. I'm sorry, we haven't finished editing yet, so I can't see the notice, sorry. This is a goldmine for paedophiles. You could go into teaching... I was talking to a teacher today. And she was telling me, she said, Oh, in the school I was in, two men had come over to teaching from the tech area. Now, they might be absolutely fine. But obviously, it's going to attract paedophiles. If you make it just, you know, this is where children get sex education. I've seen Karen, another of our advocates, also said the year nine, what they've got at the moment. And it's like every aspect, right, of, you know, relationships, et cetera, et cetera. But it's supposed to be, you know, they fill in a form. And I'm not sure what year nine is. Can anybody enlighten me? Because I think... Is it like standard, what used to be standard four? They're sort of around that 11-year-old? Oh, that's intermediate. Yeah, beginning of high school. Yeah, form, yeah, standard. Yeah. Tania, this is terrible stuff. You know, teaching young ones, and this isn't, this isn't, yeah, form three. Yeah. This isn't... First year of college, yeah. You know, they're pointing out to children sexual differences in preschool now. Bloody hell. Because I know that two years ago, two or three years ago, I was warning my daughter about preschool. Because, yes, I said they shouldn't be talking to children about sex in preschool. Gosh, no. In fact, I don't believe that they should be talking to children about sex anywhere, because it's a perfect grooming ground. A perfect grooming ground. And they're telling children that they don't have to tell their parents about it. Okay? They don't have to talk about what's going on in the class. They've done a switcheroo, haven't they, on that? Yeah. So what the notice is going to point out to the Board of Trustees, etc., is that all of these areas of the Crimes Act, there's the Children's Act 2014, Section 14. I haven't had a chance to actually look at these yet, because I feel it's something that we've really got to get stuck into, okay? You guys have got to spread it about. We've got to get teachers, join the union. We can keep an eye on what's going on. They have any pushback from their schools, we can support them. Remember Section 83. We take it two-pronged. We take the criminal warning to the schools under the Children's Act, under the Crimes Act, and under the Oranga Tamariki Act. Okay? The three acts there that we can protect children with. On the civil jurisdiction, like on the, you know, as a PCBU, the Board of Trustees is PCBU, and they have responsibilities as an employer. They are the ones that the, what my plan is, is that we devise a special Section 83 letter for teachers and tell them, okay, you want to protect yourself and protect the children. You refuse to teach this curriculum, because it's a health and safety issue for children. All right? Now, I've spoken of this before. There was a teacher that went before the Teachers' Council, one of their PCC committees, Professional Conduct Committee hearings, and he was the principal of Gloria Vale's school. The teacher, he was principal, was a teacher, got convicted of sexual abuse of a child in the school, a nine-year-old girl, back in 2014. Must have done a couple of years in jail, got out. Then it was found out that this guy called Just, first name Pilgrim, second name, had signed him off as a fit and proper person to teach. So he went before the PCC, the Teachers' Council PCC. They deregistered him, and the reason was that he had to put the health and safety of children first, right? So we've got a precedent, if you like, okay? But we don't want to get to that point where, you know, we've got, you know, pedophiles coming out of our ears because they've already done something. They've started to groom the child in their minds, okay? They might never have touched the child, but this syllabus, this curriculum, is set as a pedophile's paradise, right? Teachers need to wake the hell up. This is shocking that no teachers have yet come out, and I know that it's been in the schools, the start of it anyway, since 2021, in the preschools, right? The children, I mean, I probably would have been a bit embarrassed. I mean, this was back in the day. A bit embarrassed as a child, you know, as a young one. Well, we never had this sort of carry on, but they've produced this leaflet for the kids, but they haven't said, take it home and discuss it with your parents, okay? Karen's son brought it home and was a bit upset, right? Now, there's quite a lot of interesting stuff in terms of relationships. It gives the parent a guide to talk to the child about it, but there's stuff in there that is linked to politics, right? There's questions in it, and this is the one before they've rolled out the whole thing that they want to put out in 2024, which includes teaching masturbation, using sex objects on one's body and other people's bodies, and yeah, unbelievable almost, right? But, you know, it's like, well, should, you know, there's a question for discussion in the school about, well, should we be teaching it? They're already bloody teaching it, and they're asking the kids to make that decision, right? Of course they're going to. Nobody's going to, you know, put their hand up and say no, but they're normalizing that this sort of stuff, which is private, right, private, only between, if it's going to be talked about, it's between the child and the parent. Under 16, it's unlawful to have sex. So, you know, if they taught that, that might be a bloody good start, right? Yeah. If all they said to the kids was, kids under 16, it's against the law to have sex, okay? Anybody over 16 who has sex with you, if you're under 16, breaks the law and can be put in jail. They used to be put in jail. Okay? It can happen. And there's a logical, psychological reason for that, isn't there, Liz, because of how damaging it is to children to be having to make decisions about any of that stuff. Well, they, you know, I mean, excuse me, they're very pressured in groups, of course, to be, oh, yeah, you know, we think it's cool, and, you know, they make it all up, like it's all romantic and cool and stuff like that. Of course children are going to get, I mean, this is going from year one right into the high schools. They're going to teach it right through. And there's questions in there about some parents might want to withdraw, you know, whether it's supposed to be taken home. But, you know, it really doesn't look like it is. Anyway, whether or not, I think that we have got, yeah, carnal knowledge, that's right. I think that it's to do with normalising. Yeah? It's to do with normalising it all. And, yes, sex is normal, but not for children. Okay? Not for children. We have got a very good reason for keeping it at 16, a very good reason. I mean, the kids nowadays probably need to make it 20. They're so dim-witted. But too much fluoride in the water, perhaps. But the poor little devils, yeah? Okay? Yeah. So what I'd really like people, all the members to do, and all of the people who watch this, is start talking about we're going to do Section 83. Okay? And we want teachers to step up and do Section 83. Right? And as a union, we will support them wholeheartedly. Wholeheartedly. They never have to think that even if they're the only teacher in that school, we'll make sure that we get parents and other people who are concerned to support them in that community. Okay? It's hard to believe that a principal of a school would allow this. Having said this, we have a very mixed set of politicians in the Hall of Scum who are normalising all sorts of things to do with sexual orientation. Yeah, I mean, it's part of the curriculum. Well, you know, having little ones, you know, thought, well, you know, you might be a boy, you might be a girl, but you might be, you know, it's not sure. Not sure. So it's all one part of this vicious, horrible thing that they're trying to do. They're trying to take away our children's innocence and their prejudice, their sexual prejudice. There's no other. The fact that the Ministry of Education would even contemplate this, it makes you wonder about these people in power. It really does. Yeah. Also, yeah, what kind of degenerates write this crap? Yes. Now, Cathy, the thing is that that school needs to be, we need to get hold of them because that school needs to reopen and say, well, everybody, Dora sent me a message, and be told this is what's going to happen and we'll support you. You know, we'll, sorry, I'm just going to text you back. Yeah, I've got a friend who's a principal. I'm going to ask her. Yeah. Yeah. And I know what she said because she was appalled at the corrupt history crack that she was supposed to have implemented into the, she said she made a plan, but as to whether the plan was carried out, it's another story. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. You know, let's support the schools who are saying no because, I mean, they can, yeah, in five years, it was his contribution to the WEF, I should think. Sicko. Sicko, Chippo, that's his new name, maybe. Yeah. What a creep, eh? What a creep. Oh, and there was some other information, too, about Hopkins. Oh, here she comes. You know, remember we heard about the young New Zealander of the year who was at the Posey Parker thing, prancing around, screaming at Perth and saying, you know, yeah, that's him, him, that's him. Oh, yeah. He's not a woman. He's not even a, you know, there's no way you can be trans anything. You're man or woman. He was a man, a creep of a man. And he was, he's been writing the bloody policy with Hopkins. That's the deal. Right? Absolutely disgusting. He also consulted on the curriculum. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Vicki. Wow. Yeah. No? Perhaps we need to, yeah, drum up some convictions for them. Yeah, he got young person of the year. Yeah, young it of the year. Horrible. Horrible. Well, I've told Dora, is she there? Yep, she's on. She's, you know, this is her baby. But we're going to do the, what's on his Instagram, Tanya? Tanya says he got young person of the year. Yeah, his Instagram is horrific. Yuckity. Yeah. So, you know, this is somebody else said, Tracy said traumatic to the young ones, they're trying to normalize SRA, Satanic Ritual Abuse in schools. Let's just call it what it is. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was somebody said that, you know, he posts stuff like I'm feeling very promiscuous today. And he's a violent, he's a violent, you know, sort of guy as well. So and so as well. Horrible person. And the image of Baal. Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, take a school near you. Because one of the things that is going to be required is every school gets this notice of concerns. Now, where is our friend Dora? Yeah, she is on. Dora, show your face. She is anyway. She was. She's Julia. Yeah. Well, you know, the Prime Minister of the Ukraine is a very strange man. Very. And I'll get on the laptop. Oh, no. Do. Rhonda's sent us the brochure. So shall I screen share? Screen share that. What have you got in the brochure? Oh, here we go. ERA. Oh, here we go. Let's have a look at that. Yeah, let's have a look at that. In primary schools, information for boards of trustees. Well, we're going to get a bit more information, aren't they? Yeah. That people are going to be making complaints. The more people who make complaints, the better. Okay? I'll make a complaint as a grandparent. Yeah. To the police. Okay? So, you know, we've all got a part to play. Nobody doesn't have to do, you know, everybody's in some sort of situation where they can have a say on this. Yeah. They should cover it. Including identifying body parts. Family structure. Differing family structures, right? So this is all about, well, it's okay to have two mummies and two daddies. I think one of the things in sort of the more detailed one I saw was, you know, what is it, do you think gay men should be allowed to adopt? Right? Well, all gay men are already adopting, aren't they? But this is the thing, you're bringing the questions into children's minds that they have no way of dealing with. No idea. Yeah. In fact, it's damaging to them, isn't it? It's just, yeah. Yeah. I think in one of the kindergartens they were had, could I get copies of what they're showing here, please? Yeah, there is a link. If you can publish that link again. Yeah, it's just in the chat. See, Rhonda's posted it. If you just copy and paste that. Or if you just, if you click on that, so that's, who was that that asked? Oh, Makushla. If you just scroll up a little bit and if you click on that, it'll take, it'll open it on your computer or maybe you're on your phone, which could make it tricky. Yeah, it should download, though. Yeah. But yeah, it should download and then you'll have it. I'm not being difficult, but yeah. Oh, yeah. Cool. Awesome. Yeah, I think we'll put that, we need to put that in Section 83 and make a video about it. Yeah. Another aspect, the New Zealand Human Rights Commission have written school uniform policies for schools. The last page 13 allows for children to cross streets. Students without informing parents. Oh, everywhere. Everywhere. You know, they're really, really pushing it, all of our top. So we've got to start, as we did, with resisting the jab with the workers. Okay. With the workers. You've got to get teachers convinced to do Section 83 on it. Here's Dora. She's made it. I couldn't get the sound to work on my phone. We can hear you now. Yeah. There was just no sound. Well, we wanted to see the big picture. Right. So I first caught wind of it when I spotted WHO's programme, education programme for, sorry, sexualised education programme that they're striving to have delivered by 2024. And it says basically, I should find it. Sorry, Liz. I've had one of those days. No, no, no. I've been explaining as best I can, but, you know, you're more familiar with it. So that they want the introduction of five years. So at preschool is the introduction of cross-dressing. So the boys dress up as girls and the girls are encouraged to dress up as boys. It's not part of the play. It's part of the programme. So there's a bit of a difference. So then at five, the five-year-olds, five to seven, they're introducing masturbation, self-masturbation and oral sex. Nine is penetration, anal sex, vagina sex, oral sex. And it's okay to allow others to touch you if it feels good and it doesn't matter what age. And also through the whole programme is the weaving in of there's no such thing as boys and girls. We're all one. We're all one. And so that's where, you know, if you want to wear a dress or put makeup on, it's okay because we're all one. So that there's a sense of confusion around, well, what am I? Well, who am I? And so it's very clear what they're trying to do. So I did do a draft, which I sent to Liz. And on that draft is the links to the WHO, I believe, the WHO documents and the outline that they have for the sexualised programme. They're calling it education. My view, when I looked at it, is that it's a crime under the Crimes Act, Section 131, because it's a crime to groom children. And I see this as an act of grooming. So I'm actually a qualified child protection practitioner and I used to be a tutor for child protection and social worker and psychologist. So we would talk about grooming. What is grooming? And one of the things of grooming is that you start talking about sexualised behaviour. You encourage them that it's okay to touch themselves, that it's okay for someone else to touch them. And, you know, we just want to make you feel good. These are the types of things that are protected under the act, under the Crimes Act. And it's also in the... So this is in the... So it's in the Vulnerable Children's Act, Section 14, the Oranga Tamariki Act, again, Section 14. But only in the Crimes Act does it actually stipulate grooming. And this is why I say it's a crime. It's not just child abuse. It's grooming. So when we interviewed children, for example, when we did an interview on a child and we interviewed sex offenders and I used to... One of my roles was to go into the prison and assess sex offenders to see if they were safe to go home and whether they still had the grooming tendencies. And so you would look at, listen out for that type of conversation that they would have or that language that would be used. And I can say now that language is being used in the education curriculum. The risk now and the concern that I have now is that perpetrators who spend 90% of their time grooming a child, 10% to 5% is the actual act. The rest of it is grooming the child, the child's siblings, the parents, the extended family, the school. The groomer will go all the way out so that that child is just not believed. Now you have an education system that's doing that role for them. So now you have an education system that's going to say it's okay. You can masturbate in class. You can masturbate your friend. If it makes you all feel good, that's okay. And so that is very much like... It sounds like I'm being extreme, but when you get hold of the WHO sexualized program that they've sent out to all the ministries, that's exactly what's in there. And it's a chart. And so now you've got New Zealander of the Year sitting with Chris Finlayson. No. Sorry. Chipkins, isn't it? Chipkins. Chipkins. I'm quite sure Chris Finlayson. Chris Finlayson's been his for years. They all are. So now you've got Chipkins who's sitting down with someone who's not duly qualified as a teacher, who's not duly qualified in child protection issues, who has no comprehension of assessing risk for a sex offender. Last year, I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, there was over 300 teachers alone who were charged for grooming and child sex offenses. Now you'll have teachers or persons who'll go, oh, I will be a teacher because I'll be paid to groom these children. And if these children want to masturbate in class, who am I to stop them? It is a pedophile's world now. All they need to do is be a teacher. And now what about the teachers who get wrongly accused? Where's their protection? You've already got a mass reduction in male teachers because they don't want to be, and it's already been proven, falsely accused. And so now you've got the risk of the teacher. You've got the risk of the child who was supposed to protect, by the way. And now when little Johnny says, or little Mary says, oh, he touched me. The reason why these things were put in place is that when he went to school and said, my nunu was touched, and immediately you'd do a notification to Oranga Tamariki. Now it's probably going to be on the lines of, and did it make you feel good? Did you feel about that? Yeah. And it's OK if you felt a bit uncomfortable. I think in one of the American or the UK texts for the 9 and 10 year olds, it's got this boy who's having a sleepover with another boy who's had anal sex with him. And the book's basically saying it's OK, it's normal if it hurts the first time. Bloody hell. Yeah. But if you keep doing it and keep practicing it, it will feel really good and you'll feel really good about yourself. That's basically the nature of it. It's a children's book. So there's a number of texts, educational texts that's now been written for schools. So they can, you know, it's part of the school curriculum in as far as what books are to be placed into the library. And the aim is 2024. And so I did draft up a notice of concern, which Liz talked about, I'm sure, highlighting my concern, referring to the legislation that's in place to protect our vulnerable children, our vulnerable youth. You know, it's already very hard in court to prove that you were raped, especially if no one was there. How hard will it be now? When a perpetrator could say, but they asked me to because they thought they would like it. I didn't realise they didn't like it. But we now know. There's going to be a huge blurring. When we get to that, we want to stop them before. Now you'll have, say, a 12-year-old who's gone in and raped a child because it made the 12-year-old feel good and they wanted to express themselves with a child. Now, we know that the child can't be charged for a criminal offence. But how many children will this? Might even be an eight-year-old. It might be a nine-year-old. I investigated a child that was seven years old. They had raped a five-year-old. They didn't know what they were doing. That was one of my cases that I had to investigate. So we can't say children don't do these things because they do, especially when they've been wrongly taught or been exposed to things that they should never have been. Now they're going to be exposed to these things in an environment that's supposed to be safe and secure. And so you'll have all these children. The other concern, which I haven't put in there, Liz, is what about all the young girls? One of my sisters started menstruating when she was eight. Another sister was 10. I was unfortunate or fortunate, you can say. I was 16. You might want to say it was unfortunate. But you will have 10-year-olds becoming pregnant. Yes, of course. And we already know that they've already put in place, if you want to have an abortion, you don't have to. That's the other thing about this program. It's a secret. It's your secret. You don't have to share. Now one of the things we used to do when we did risk assessments was ask, do you have any secrets that you've been asked to not share? Now you've got a teacher saying it's a secret. So you've got an education system that's saying you can have an abortion. It's confidential. We don't have to tell your parents. Then you'll have an escalation of mental health and suicide attempts. I remember the youngest case of suicide, and you can say I don't believe it, but I mean I remember the whole floor at Child Protection were just stunned. They actually had to get a trauma counsellor in for the whole floor. There was a five-year-old who had tried to hang themselves. So we can't say these things don't happen because I know that they do. They do. So what are we going to do? What's going to happen? How are we going to protect our children? They're going to be sent off to an environment that's placing them at significant risk. The probability of them being sexually abused now is extremely high, not in the home, at school. What if there was five children who decided they were going to get little Mary? And have a play with little Mary, but little Mary's only five. She's just started school. She don't know. Well, it's not confidential, but it actually happened to my daughter. She was at school for one month, and five ten-year-olds decided they were going to go in and offend her. We pulled her out straight away, and the school's response was to notify on us. That's exactly what happened. She was only five. I tried to get a notification back on the school. Now, I knew that the kids involved, and she could point to all the kids and name them all. They couldn't do anything because they were only ten. So we can't say these things don't happen. And this is not a personal gang-deta that I have because of what happened to my daughter. This is a real life educational crisis that there's going to be many more children who are going to be put into this situation. So, yeah, that's my concern. Thank you very much, Dora. Yeah, it's harrowing, but we know that we can build groups now who are going to do something about it, right? The union's going to do their bit. All of us are going to make sure that we do something about this. I'm going to take the notice and make sure that the school that my grandchildren go to gets it. And, of course, we're going to do Section 83. I think it also requires, once we get enough knowledge about this out there, is to start demonstrations in front of MOE. Well, I think that the notice needs to be served on the Ministry, and on Chipkins, and the Minister for Children. I'm not sure if we have one. They actually could be arrested. And the Minister for Social Development, who are in charge of Oranga Tamariki, that we need to actually do a notice of concern and notification to Oranga Tamariki. Yes. Because the thing is, it's not going to be the top that are criminally liable. It'll be the teacher that delivers the programme. Yes. So they're all protected. They're all protected. It's the teacher who's delivering the programme. They will be liable. Needs to be served immediately. I agree, Priscilla. Blimey. I mean, everything else just pales into significance, doesn't it, really, compared to this? Holy hell. Yes. Now, I believe that some schools have already been piloted. Egmont Village School. Was it Egmont Village? Yes. A teacher who taught rim jobs to five-year-olds. Taught rim jobs to five-year-olds. Rim jobs. Now, I had to ask. The grandparent had told me. I had to ask the grandparent, what's that? Yes, exactly. Well, people are eating their dinner. I am. I'm not going to explain it. But when she told me, I was like, what? So it started. They were the pilot. I would say that was one of the pilot schools. So that was Egmont Village. So you'd know about the Taranaki schools, I suppose. They will have... So it looks like... That's interesting, that it's not in... That it's a kind of... Well, it's... I mean, Taranaki's got a number of much larger towns than Egmont Village. That's a really... I'd say they're choosing the schools with the low numbers. With low numbers. Okay. Yeah. Well, so it normalises it across the whole school pretty easily. Yeah. And high parent participation. High parent participation? So what the hell are the parents doing at Egmont Village? Agreeing with the programme. Agreeing with the programme. It was the grandparents that came to me concerned. They were mortified that their children didn't think it was wrong. I see. Yeah. Yeah. I can actually understand that, how that comes about. Which is really... You know, because it's the in-between generation, isn't it? Yeah. It's kind of been groomed as well. And now we're really seeing what's coming out. Yeah. Were we that crap at being parents, though? I don't think we realised what was happening. I think, you know, it was subtle. But... Yeah. Yeah. Subtle. Yes. Yes. Okay. So if anybody can find out other ones, that would be really good. Because we want to name and shame them. Yep. Name and shame them. We need that full high court up and going, don't we, Liz? So we can start cranking out... Yep. Yep. Yeah. The person of cultural revolution. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's another of the Marxists. You know, planks, destroy the family, push the... You know, because a child, in the end, will wake up and realise their parent didn't... How were they? Okay. Protected. Yep. Will realise their parent was their first line of protection. Okay. Who should have stepped in. Yep. Should have stepped in. Yeah, my mother was always down the school. Nothing about that, of course, but... You know, I went down myself a couple of times and sorted things out. When my kids were at school. Bullying. Nikki Chippendale. I've been involved in serving a school's notice on conditional acceptance of the VACs. So maybe the same network can serve the notice. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Well, that leaves out the conditional acceptance, though. All you need to say is, send this or take it to them, to their board of trustee meeting. Right? That's what I would say. When we've got it all going on... There has to be a notice of concern. There has to be a notice of concern. Because your conditional... There's a condition there saying that you're willing to apply to a certain level. So it must be a notice, because it's not a letter. A notice, as Liz would know, is a different form of legal... It's a legal specie that says you must take notice and stop and deal with this now. So it's not just a generic, look, I need to negotiate something here with you, which is what that type of form is. And it's not a letter. This is a legal notice. It's a legal notice, and it's being served on the principal, on the PTA, and the board. As well as the ministry, the ministers, and on the prime minister, who's probably in bed right now with the... And the police, the local police, each of those schools should be noticed as well. Yes. Because they're doing their job. Rhonda says Family First might be worth calling. Yeah, I'm making a note of that. We'll get in touch with them, because they have a really good... They do good videos, and they could tell people what we're doing. Yeah. Yep. Well, the fact that there's a, you know, you guys are putting together a letter. I mean, parents will jump on that. A notice. A notice. Beg your pardon. I keep saying letter. Yep. Yeah. Wow. The Hāwera board is government-appointed. Oh, well, all the better. All the better. We can get closer to the... The more they insert themselves into our private lives, the closer that we've got to grasp them by the throat and tear it out. Okay? Yeah. That's the way I see it. Yeah. Good point. Okay. It's a kind of a gruelling Zoom tonight, guys. Has anybody got any more ideas? Or, Dora, did you have more to add to that? We've got some good ideas. We've got get in touch with family first. We've got the notice of concern to be served on PTAs, Principal Board of Trustees. We've got notification of the police. We've got... Social Work doesn't ask us to do the PH. Social workers in schools are contracted in by Oranga Tamariki. Oh, okay. We're serving Oranga Tamariki. We're essentially serving the social worker in school. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Cool. And I guess the principals... They still haven't got that chappy fellow, have they? At the top of Oranga Tamariki. Anyway, maybe Oranga Tamariki will be the first one that we... Oh, there was a good clause, actually, that came up when I was doing the Turner case, right? And it was about... Nurses have got a clause in their MECA, their Multi-Employer... What's it called? Collective Agreement, which says they're allowed to make... Now, because of the interest of the public in health, that they're allowed to... They reserve the right to make public statements about it. Right? Now, we need to... It's got a whole lot of conditions after it about going to talk to your, you know, your nursing counsel first or your boss and all of this crap. No, no, no. We're going to have a straight-out freedom of speech clause in our collectives. Okay? So that's another thing we're going to act. It's got to be official about the collectives that we eventually will negotiate. Yeah. So grey power, yeah, I think so. I think grey power is another good idea, Adrienne. Yep. So, guys, you know, get pen to paper, send it over to Adrienne and she can, you know, anything that you've got ideas about, any ideas about people to serve, put your hand up to send out emails, et cetera, et cetera. You know, you can all do something. Yeah. Thank you, Adrienne. Info at number eight. So Adrienne will start a file and we'll start organising action on it. Winston, yes. Yes, send it to Winston. He's always looking for some point of differentiation. You know, the thing is... You've got to say it. It's not about whoever we might be able to rattle their cage and get them talking about it. OK. Very good. OK. We can post that letter template, beg your pardon, notice template out to all the union members, tutelers when... Yes. Yes. Yep. That'll be done soon, eh? Laura. You're just going to edit it. So where I've sent it to you at the top, you click on that and it'll open it up so that you can edit it. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So you can put the proper addresses and things on for it. Yeah. You were going to amend a part of it, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I've just done a... I've started to do a bit of an edit. Won't take long to get it done. Yeah. Yeah. This is showing all the iron's hot, guys. 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