ASH AND KEZ ep25

Mr. and Mrs. W are hosting a podcast episode with guests Peach and Snake. They discuss their experiences in the lifestyle and how it has brought them closer as a couple. They talk about their fantasies and desires, as well as the importance of communication and trust in their relationship. They emphasize the importance of friendship and connection in the lifestyle, rather than just pursuing physical encounters. They also mention the challenges of balancing their lifestyle with their roles as parents. This is Mr. and Mrs. W. R. Swingin' Adventures. I am Mr. W. And I am Mrs. W. So if you are not over the age of 18, please do not listen as this contains adult content. So on tonight's episode, we actually have some special guests. So. I don't know about special. That's charming. Absolutely charming. What's special to me then? Well, we did say we'd do a special trip for C&I. So we actually have North Sea and Ice. AKA Peach and Snake on with us tonight. Hello. Hello. I'm a bit scared now. I'm gonna be shy now. No, you're gonna be fine. Don't worry, it's fine. If I can do it, you can do it. No problem. Right, so, tell us a bit about yourselves, what you'd like to share. Yeah, you wanna go first? I can start. Okay. A bit about us. Yeah. I haven't seen you since Sly spread. No. I've got to do so much editing. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Bit about us. We're Ash and Kez, naughty and nice. What you see is what you get with us, really. Genuine Dan's worth. Try to have a good time. Been in the lifestyle, what? Nine months? Nine months. And absolutely rocked for it so far. Haven't stopped, have we? To be honest. No, we did hit it hard the first five weeks. Every week. But going to the socials and the crowd club, you lovely guys. Yeah. Yeah. Got them rid of us now. No, it was at Swindon. It was at Swindon. The Marvellous Social, wasn't it? It was a takeover social, wasn't it? But it wasn't really a takeover. Yeah, it wasn't really a takeover. I mean, to be fair, not as many people supported them as I thought was going to be, but we always will. They're good people. We get on well with them. Yeah, it was at Swindon, wasn't it? How long ago was that? That was September, my bad. Yeah. Really? Is that the first time us guys met? Yeah. Shit, that's a long time, isn't it? It ain't that long. Well, I'll say. It's not actually that long, but it feels like it's been longer. Yeah. Yeah, but we've done a lot in that time. When you think about how many times we've been out, met up. Well, we've got three hour video calls, two hour video calls, Christmas Eve video calls. We live three hours apart, and yet we've seen you more than I've seen my dad, and he lives around the corner. No, I think at first it was sort of space, but now it's actually like, oh, Malcolm saw you, it's Valentine's, but that's not that morning and that long ago. No, that was what, about three weeks, four weeks? About three or four, mate. Oh, that's all right. He doesn't have to listen to me. Yeah, we want to listen to you. He has to listen to me enough at home, so. Right, so, first question. You said about how long you've been in the lifestyle. What brought you into the lifestyle? Well, we've been together, what, 24 years this year, innit? Yeah. But we had- One more year and you'd be coming out with a murder. Yeah, I know. Well, I said I could be doing less time. To be fair, I'm a decent judge. I've been out years ago, but, you know. But no, seriously, yeah, we were together, what, 24 years, and we were going through a rough patch of which I think any couple who's ever been in a long-term relationship will know. We had a lot of stuff going on privately. Yeah, so basically, I'd say we were more mum and dad. That's what we were. Yeah, we lost ourselves, yeah. So, we separated. I had the kids keep me company. Yeah, we separated for nine months, and I thought, if ever, see, it sounds bad, but we talked about it from day one. We'd always had a fantasy about having another girl, weren't we, or another woman involved. Never actually done it. So, when we split, I... Let's not talk about when you got out of the single because we'll hear all night. We've got enough time to go back to that. It's a long story, but basically, I found a way into the lifestyle, found a good friend, and loved it. But then, I wanted Kez the whole time. That's the truth of it. You can say it. You might as well. I was never over you. But when we got back together, we've always had the fantasy of another woman, and I think, him having been in the single lifestyle, he said, well, if we ever wanna try it, you can't just go to a club downtown, can you? Because you know that there's gonna be boys and women. You know that everyone's there for the same reason. And to be honest, when I told you everything, it turned you on, didn't it? It's gone. I made him tell me stories. I'd go, tell me about that one time when you had the freeze, and stuff like that. Yeah. When we got back together, as anyone who's had a ride, split up, been with... You don't really wanna talk about other people you've slept with. In a normal relationship, in the vanilla world, nobody even wants to bring up the thought of bringing another woman in. Now, the more I told her, because I said, if we're getting back together, then it's completely honest, there's no... Because people know, and the last thing I want is for you to find out something that I couldn't have told you, basically. I could have told you, I should say. So yeah, we talked about it, and my good friend, it was her birthday coming up, and I was desperate to go back out into the lifestyle. Not to play, just to be with the people, like yourselves, who I'd met. In that nine months, I've made some great friends. Like, I mean, truly. Really magical friends. Everything's laid bare. You can talk to people. There's no facade, there's no fakeness, because what you see is what you get. So you tell people, and talk to people, and tell them things that you probably wouldn't even tell your next door neighbor, or someone, or your best friend at home, in the vanilla world. That's what I would say. That's what I found. We sold to a vanilla store. Yeah. So basically, my friend's party was at untimed, and I was like, care, look, we've gotta go to this party. And she's like, really? And I was like, look, I don't care if we do anything, we don't have to dress down, we don't have to do nothing, but we need to go. I need to go and be there for my friends. She's like, well, yeah, I'm up for it. I was like, eh? I was expecting half an argument, or at least a question. And that was the first time he went to actually have someone come back with some lingerie for his wear, and he's like a regular in there now. They actually know him. She actually had him yesterday. She actually had him. You know, your Valentine's stuff. I've got more love. How did your Valentine's stuff go? Did she love it all? I was like, yeah. What, post it? I was like, yeah, how the fuck do you remember that? You know, I'm like, you know. You're good, you're already old, but you're all getting there by yourself and going, I mean, this, this, and this, and what? Well, yeah, to be fair, yeah, I do walks around. And because I think when we started as well, we knew, I knew what I wanted, and where we've been together for so long, we're not a new couple, fresh couple. I knew what I wanted, he knew what he wanted. We knew what we wanted out of the lifestyle. So there was, where I find a lot of people don't really know what they want when they first start. Our boundaries have moved slightly, though. Yeah, they have slightly. I know. They've been there. But it was more you wanted, we were looking for females. And that's, I think a lot of the people who come into this, at first, are looking for that male, female, female. That's what we were, weren't it? We were looking for the female. Exactly. But I didn't know what we were called, and then someone told me, just say yourself, pop. Yeah. And then people will know. But that's, that isn't what it was. But that isn't what we are, really, because I don't think, for me, it's more about the getting to know people, the friendship, the connection. I don't think, I don't think we've really, like, go to a club and just have that one-off. It's a bit different to when you've got that, not, I'd say, friendship, because we've got more of a friendship, but we don't have that with anyone else. Yeah, we don't. What we have with you guys, like, we don't have a group chat with other people, because, like, Life's hard, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'd say we make time for you, because in and out, like, you're our friend in and outside of the lifestyle. And it's hard, it is hard, because it is a lifestyle for us, because we do have to have a separate. We don't care if people know, but we're face out on our swing up, and our profile picture's the profile. The difference is we turn it up. Yeah, we have to, because of the kids. As people say, oh, it's our lifestyle, this is our life. This isn't our life, this is fun. This is where I can be Ash and Kez. Not mum and dad, not the dad who's worrying about paying for bill, making sure they're all fed, making sure they got home. So, I'm just worried about, let's play up tonight. Let's literally be naughty and nice, Ash and Kez, and let's have fun with every person I see. We're not pissed, we don't have to play like this. I don't, I don't have to be pissed, I don't have to, don't have to play, just enjoy yourself. We're out. I just want to be fun, and be known as fun. There's, there's, see, my goal is not numbers. I'm not interested in sleeping with women. I'm not even, I'll be happy if, if she says you can't play again. She wants to, she wants to do her thing, which is the truth, isn't it? You love your girls, because you can't have them at home. I do like women. That's what I say, that's like a treat for me, getting to play with a woman, because I don't even, when I'm in the clubs, we're both always looking, most of the time, 8, 9% of the time, we're always looking at the same female. I'll be like, you're looking at a bum, aren't you? Or you're looking, and like, he'll go, yeah. And well, we do it all the time. And the thing for us is that, I know, people say, oh, don't get jealous. The very first time, I never got jealous, because I think it's because I am confident. I know that he's, as everyone, it doesn't matter, I'm the most attractive person in that room to him, to Ash. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I do know what you mean, because we have actually seen the way he looks at you. And it, isn't it? We've always said this, that the way that he looks at you, it's like, that, that there, that's love. Like, you two are your people. I wouldn't, but I love other women. If that makes sense. I love, I love when we're together. There's nothing better. I love, I love other women as well. Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like, when we play, you know what I'm saying? When we play, and we get home, and the reclaim, and we're talking about it. That's something you can't explain to anybody, not in the lifestyle. Reclaim. You know the funny thing? I don't remember. A lot of folks might be like, oh yeah, she was great. She was brilliant. She was, but myself, I'm like, do you remember when we done that? It was so funny, wasn't it? That I remember everything, is a testament that we are in it for what I want, basically. I know that sounds selfish, but if I didn't remember every little detail, if I didn't live off every little detail, what would be the point of us doing it? Because that is why we like, you know, and it does. That's why you do it. And now he knows more, what I get off on, but it turns him on more, because he's like, I can't believe it. Like, you get off on that now, and it's real, opened my eyes. It's made me, Yeah. Like, yeah. Obviously, I won't say names, but obviously, as we talked about earlier, I had to go to a room for the first time recently, on my own. That was a big deal for me, because it took me back to the single. Yeah. And being a single, I will say, if any singles are listening, the hardest thing in the world, about the slow soul, is the come downs, is after, and I mean, don't get me wrong, as a single, I did play a lot, and I did have highs, on a regular basis, but the lows, on your own, not having someone to talk to, having someone to deal with, Oh, I don't know what that feels like. Someone, like, do you know what? Because I feel when a couple, you know, you're worth more. Yeah. I wasn't in the best place mentally, obviously, when I was single anyway, you know, it broke up. So, I didn't, I won't say standards, because I don't view beauty, I don't see, as a person, that's just a vessel. That is just a vessel. It don't mean who you are. You're lucky. You were lucky enough to get that body. You got both legs wicked. You know what I mean? That's the truth of it. Unfortunately, we don't see it that way. That's the truth. But I didn't know my worth. So, every time, the weekend would come a high, the weekdays were such a low. Like, it was so lonely, bad. I was so worried for the single men. And, I think half of them, they give their self a bad rep, because they don't want to put the effort in. They don't want to try. But, my secret was, I was just polite. I could read the room. If they wanted to talk, they would. If couples want to be left alone, I could leave them alone. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I wouldn't chase a single lady around. No. You want to speak to me, I'm here. You know, and that's not being big headed. It's just a way of, I shouldn't be approaching, you're a lady. You're, in a normal world, yeah, I'd go out for it. You are the commodity. You are, you are like, the crown jewel. You have your say. Any single lady, who goes in a club, basically, can walk around a club, and be like, yeah, I'll go with that couple. I'll go with him. They're too, they've got the pick of the bunch. So, I had the respect to just sit back. And, I think that worked for me. If that makes sense. In your favour, yeah. If that makes sense, yeah. So, you were more sitting there going, well, I'll just say back, wait for this couple, or single. Well, I'll talk to, like if I was, I'll talk straight to you. Do you get what I mean? So, out of respect, that's your wife. So, if I just shimmy in, and go, go away, yeah, you're doing alright. That's no respect. You don't, do you get what I mean? Yeah. It's almost, I feel that single men, do that their self. They let their self down. And, it's probably because they send about, 30,000 messages a day, and don't get any response. Yeah. And then, they can't be bothered. And, it gets lazy. It's like, I just can't be bothered. I can't be, whereas, I didn't really send messages. I'm fab. It was, I mean, there are relapses out there. If anyone else is listening. It's not just fab. It's fine. We, have those all the time. Yeah. We talk about them all on here. Yeah. But, yeah. Right, next one. So, yeah. It's fine. So, if you could turn back time, what is something, that you would change, that you have done? Like, do you possibly regret, something you've done? Or, do you wish you'd done something, a lot different? I would say the same, as what I said, about my vanilla life. That, I don't think I would change things. If you change things, you don't learn from them. You learn from your mistakes. Things that you've done, along the way. Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't change, but what I've learned. Yeah. I've learned a lot of different things. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't change anything. But, what I will say, there's a certain lady, who you both know, who we were connected to, for what, three and a half, four months. And, it was amazing. And, what I would change, personally, is, I would have made Kerry, I should have cut it off sooner. When I said, when I, when I, When you're the ones in the relationship. When I had a gut feeling, that things were going. Because, How you felt. How I felt. Personally, how I felt. Because, I can't tell you how she felt. And, I can't tell you how Kerry was feeling. But, personally, how I felt was, this is my wife. And, this is all that matters to me. Yeah. The same with us. But, I let little things creep in. Yeah. I let little comments creep in. I let little decisions creep in. Yeah. And, that shouldn't have happened. Yeah. Does that make sense? Well, I think that, because for us, it is about the quality, and not the quantity. That connection, is, Yeah. Like, you want to have that, because I think every time, I will say one thing, as much as there are little things, I wouldn't have done, but, sexually, we evolved a lot. Like, the sexual chemistry, every time was hotter, and hotter, and hotter. And, I will say, I will say, because of this young lady, I won't mention, I don't want to do names. We don't do names. Yeah. Yeah. But, she knows who she is. Yeah. I've told her this as well. We thank her, massively. Yeah. Because of where we are now, together. Not just, We've had our fantasy, about this, about the fun, about what we're doing now. I would say, it's the way we moved on. Yeah, we have moved on, yeah. Because of the way we played, because of the connection we had, between the three of us. To be fair, I would say, when we come into the lifestyle, we thought it was going to take us, we, everyone's looking for that unicorn, and obviously, being new to it, I've never been, I've never been, I thought, God, it's going to take us months, like, all this, like, Years. Years. Yeah, a lot of people we know, have let them do it, for like a year, and it just happens so quickly, and we, we weren't about, yeah, we weren't about moving on, and like, going on to the next person, we were about, oh, this is a fact, this is amazing, and that, because, that's who we are, we are respectful people, like, and I think, we didn't realise at the time, that we are the ones, in the relationship, so what we feel, yeah, but we also, want to make other person, we don't want to make other person, feel like crap, do you? You don't want to make someone else, feel worthless, because they're not worthless, but at the same time, I can't be responsible, when I'm not in a relationship, with them, does that make sense? Yeah, no, I totally get that. It's hilarious. How would you, have you got anything, you would change? He's a bit, of a perplexer as I am, actually, like, I don't think, I'd specifically, change anything, I think, it's more the fact, of, on, on, odd occasion, I wouldn't have, been in, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have been in a vulnerable, so to speak, situation, where, you're not with me, yes, I totally get, okay, yeah, so, it would be the case of, you know, because I was unattended, something happened, and then, and he found a corner watching, so he can claim that as one, but he, he wasn't there, and I was, I literally, I was like, oh my God, where is he, I need him, like, yeah, I get that, the second I saw him, I was like, oh my God, this just happened, like, don't leave me, I've got, I've got my wingman, so essentially, we have each other, so I don't, I'll never feel vulnerable, because, or, like, if we set out something, and we don't get it, we'll go home, and we go home happy, but we don't chase, we don't want to be no one's second best, we don't want to be our second best, this is a cycle, yeah, you know what I'm saying, we're happy, I'll be honest, so, since we started, what would you say, eight months, nine months, yeah, every time we've gone to a club, and this is going to sound really terrible, because we are, literally, it is quality over quantity, but, we've met so many amazing people, every time, we go away, and it's kind of, did you talk to anybody? like, I thought we weren't going to do this tonight, oh no, look, there we are, again, oh, you know, and in nine months, let's be honest, in nine months, for three and a half of them months, you have to realise who he is, with that one special lady, yeah, you know, she's gorgeous, but, since then, I mean, one before, in nine months, there's six unicorns alone, many people, and that sounds terrible, yeah, and it's not about that, it's just because, we've made nice connections with them, and we still keep in contact, but it's not, it's once a month, maybe a message, but it's not every day, yeah, so that's something I learnt, as well, that being in a group, I mean, I know we group chat through the week, we do, but it wasn't, because you're another couple, so I know, when I'm talking to you about stuff, I know that you know what I'm feeling, yeah, because you're a couple, although, yeah, what I'm saying is though, is that the question was about mistakes, or, have you learnt, and that's what I've learnt, that if we was going to move forward, with another, young lady, or, we wouldn't do it, yeah, we would keep it separate, well, like the other ladies, but, no, that sounds bad, doesn't it, I don't mean it like, you did just say you've had how many unicorns, yeah, but it's my point, my point, it's not, like, because that is our dynamic, wasn't it, it would be like, women, everyone's like, oh, you're just like, they're the still wives, no, not really, like, yes you are, no we're not, yeah, so, in all fairness, no, in all fairness, it was 29 seconds, man, fucking hell, I can't even ring up, and it's still that quick, what are you on about, I just carry it as well, if anyone's listening on me, it was the fact of, you know, there was a rumour, so to say, about the wives matching sort of things, yeah, but, I don't actually think it's been the case of that, because with the four of us, it's always been, the four, no one's been left out, no, you know, we've always, I know, I was left in the background, just taking pictures, offering sweets, no, are you joking, in turn, no, hold on a minute, that was the first time, no, that's the first time, that would not be anywhere, and to be fair, that wasn't even, let's be honest, when we, we've met you, and we become friends, we never actually spoke about sex, no, for weeks, for weeks on end, it wasn't about, it wasn't until, someone else sprung it up, and then it was a case of, and Carrie said, well, they said such and such, regardless, but what was said, and I was like, we never even talked about having sex, what are you on about, what do you mean, no, it wasn't, it wasn't, generally, it wasn't a case of, we're going to come here with you, for sex, it wasn't a case of, otherwise, imagine, it was, yeah, well, we were, we were all, whether it was the three of us, or the three of us, we were friends, before we had sex, and this, this is what we like, we like the whole, you know, friendship, and I think this is why, we've got on with you lot, so well, we are quite the same though, me and Claire are like, we're like that, yeah, similar, we're so similar, same things, yes, but if you leave them in the hotel room together, they just don't crack on with it, yeah, because we're talking, but that's not good, but we're allowed to talk, they're great, yeah, you know, these things take time, you're lucky you don't have to come, you're lucky you don't have to come over, if I was being packed up in the kitchen, sat at the table, drinking coffee, seeing CrossFit, that's what would happen, I'll be honest, if we lived closer, if we lived closer, me and you would never, we'd come home, and just walk straight out the fucking door, I'm telling you, imagine our kids all together, and these two, just like, that's fine, I've got the van, we're just, yeah, with us, the jolly boys outing, can you imagine that, with all those, that'd be epic, I think it'd be quite cool, really, just because, anyone would fit in with my type, one more is nothing, really, we've not just got one more, we've got three, yeah, that's fine, we'll just get them a little pork, and put them outside in the garden, you've got as many as us, we'll drink them, don't worry, yeah, go on, so, coming away from, the swinging side of things, drinks, what is your go to drink, on a night out, I tend to have vodka, just because I don't want to mix my drinks, because it gives me, I'll get bad, to be fair, I don't really drink, one of us is always over driving, because where we go, prefer to go to the clubs, it's just cheaper for us, like, if we go to Bournemouth, it's cheaper for us to just drive, one of us to drive, and go home, so, and it's cheaper, because the lifestyle's not cheap as it is, no, like getting into clubs, so, I find when you've got a field tab, bar, bar tab as well, yeah, so, well, you've got to add in, but mine is vodka, and his is Composé, yeah, yeah, mine's Composé, yeah, so, I'm going to rework one of these, so, on a podcast, that you've listened to, do you know who they are? So, no, so, so listening to a podcast, what is the thing that stood out to you, that you've kept with you, along your journey, if anything? I would say, when I, when I listened, I listened to your podcast, after we knew you, and I said, if I hadn't, if I'd listened to your podcast, before knowing you, it just rang bells, like, so many things, were similar, to us, at the beginning, that I related, that I related more, to it, I wish I'd have listened, to the podcast before, I don't know, if I wish I'd have listened, to the podcast before, or after, because I think it's better, to get to know you, rather than listen to your podcast first, and then, and then, and then, because I texted you, didn't I, when I said, when I'm listening to, oh my God, like so many things, like, I can relate, to what you're saying, I understand, and it's harder, and now, like I say, when I've got something, going over in my brain, I think, am I overthinking this, am I overthinking this, and I'll text you, or I say to you, what I'm saying is, I appreciate that, I love that, oh God, you've been a knobhead, have I, oh shit, I'll think about that, I'll think about that now, because, I didn't see it that way, I didn't see it that way, at the time, and everyone's, someone might say to me, you have your own truth, to a story, there's all, everyone says there's two stories, but there isn't, there's like your truth, and my truth, but just because, they don't, they're not the same, that's how it made you feel, and that's how it made me feel, so that's your truth, and that's my truth, that's what, podcasting, that's, I'm gonna have to come back to that one, so, that's fine, right, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,