Ep. 86 - Maren

Okay, it looks like it's going good, so... Yeah! It's lagging. Yeah! Well, hi, I'm Erin. I'm 24 years old. I'm an actor, and I'm dirt poor. That's who I am. Who isn't, though? Everyone else is so rich, and you know what? The actor's strike told us that, that everyone's rich. Not just, you know, your normal actor who has like 10 other jobs trying to make a living. Wait, shut up! For what? Well, that's awesome, dude. That's so cool. Is it here in Utah? That'd be cool. Yeah, they pay really good, so... You know who doesn't pay good? Live theater. And you know what I love doing? Live theater. So, that's great. Go see live theater. I promise you, your community theater show is better than you think it's going to be. And it's cute. Sometimes there's like... Sometimes it's a kid's theater. Sometimes it's like a Shakespeare theater. Sometimes it's a really bad theater, and sometimes really bad theater is also really fun. So, take a chance. Yeah. And also, what kind of theaters are good? Like, where to go, what to see, where they're auditioning at, stuff like that. Also, another thing is if you have a theater friend, maybe give them a hug. They probably need it. Maybe a hug and a kiss. They just need some attention. Just a little one. I mean, we're hopefully past COVID enough to do that. It's fine. I am. I love Walking Dead. I started watching when I was like... I don't want to say this ages me, because that makes me sound like a millennial, and then I sound like a doof. But I did start watching this back when it actually was airing on Netflix. Actually, this is before AMC. This is when it was on FX. So, it was on every Sunday, and I remember having to wait for the next episode, which no one really ever has to do anymore. Because everybody comes out in seasons. But I remember watching it for the first time. It's in season 3. Sorry, Don's ear pods are literally... He has big ears, so he has big ears. He has big ears. He has big ears. He has big ears. He has big ears. 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He just sits there hacking at his head and then, yeah, like we were talking about earlier, the whole thing with Megan's body coming up, he goes from moment to moment to moment without a beat, just being like, he says fire, he hacks Herschel's head off, he goes and keeps hacking Herschel's head off, he shoots Megan in the face, and then he goes and shoots everybody else, beats the shit out of Rick, and he doesn't have a moment of breath until Michonne stabs him. Like, that man had an agenda, he had a mindset, and there was nothing getting in the way anymore. He didn't care what anybody thought of him anymore. He didn't care about anything but killing Rick. Rick, he needed to hurt, he needed to kill him, he didn't even care about getting to prison anymore. It wasn't about that, it was about Rick. It was about him and Rick and about that death happening. And it was happening hard and slow. He doesn't know how hard they have tried. And it's constantly still a problem for them. It does not matter. And I also love in those moments, you watching Tara watch these things happen, because she's kind of the voice of reason in this moment, she's kind of the humanity figure for us, the one person who's actually looking at all this and being like, oh yeah, wait a minute, this is bad. Everybody's not making right decisions right now. Like, what's going on? We have to be safe. We have to be safe. Right. None of us can have a prison. Yeah. I love that too. The guy on the tank, I don't know if they ever say his name, so RIP to that guy, but when he like Rick is saying that, he's like, either we all live in the prison or none of us do. And he was like, we're taking this place one way or another. And I was like, well yeah, he's got a goddamn tank. They really can take this place because they've got a tank. But I do feel like with that too, they have the ammo, they have the fear factor, but the fear within themselves ultimately would take them down, because they don't actually have the capacity to take down this prison. They just have the capacity to fake it. And that's so much of what The Walking Dead is. So many people are just faking this intimidation. They're faking this fear that they are giving somebody else. They're just making it, making their way until they can make someone do what they want. But the governor genuinely believes he's got that shit. He genuinely believes that Rick saying it's either all of us or none of us, he's like, yeah, you're right, because it's me and I know that I'm going to take this prison because I'm going to take you down. But no one else believes that. There's not a single one of his other members of the governor's side that actually has the belief that they can do this. And it's why they fail. It's why they don't succeed at taking the prison, but it is also why the prison becomes overrun. They messed it up for everybody. They made it so nobody could get that prison. And Rick was right. Nobody got the prison. I think it's so heartbreaking, too, watching the next couple of scenes with Maggie and Bess, not only mourning the death of their father just being chopped in front of them, but then Maggie's like, oh, I've got to go save Glenn. I've got to go. And Bess is like, okay, then I'm coming with you. And she's like, no, we all have jobs to do. You've got to take the bus. You've got to take these kids. The dilemma of family versus someone you've fallen in love with versus your responsibility to everybody else, what a difficult decision to make, not only just to make whenever, but to make right after you have just seen your father get murdered. Go Bess for having that capacity to be able to be like, okay, yes, I do actually have to drive this bus. I do have to do that. But then she leaves. Then she's like, okay, I've gotten everybody on the bus. I'm going to go back and get my sister. And then it fucks everything up again. Every single time, emotions get the better of us. Every single time we will always take the path that our emotions are driven by, not by logic. Every single time. And I do love that moment, even though it is sad and heartbreaking to see Beth and Maggie get separated. It's so real and human of them to go after each other at such different instances and to try and save each other even when they can't. So sad. Wait, I can't hear you. Can you hear me? Hello? Hello? I can't hear you at all. Okay. Okay. Can you hear me? I just can't hear you. No. Okay, wait, talk now. No, I can't hear you. No, I can't hear you. I can hear you. Hello? Can you hear me? No! Sacky boy. I can hear you. I can hear you. Can you hear me? No! Hello? Hello, hello? Okay. Wait, I don't know what happened. Yeah. Okay. We were talking about Maggie and Beth. Yeah. Yeah. Well, except for Beth. Beth doesn't make it to Terminus. Beth ends up at that hospital, but just so, I was actually, before we started this episode, I was talking to my sister about that moment, because me and my sister are really close, and it was just, we were just talking about like, you know, if I was Beth and Maddie chose like her boyfriend in that situation, I would have just been so heartbroken. Like, understanding that, you know, the person that she loves and wants to have a life with is the person that she's going for, but like, I'm right here. Like, don't leave me. Don't leave me behind. But then, again, like Maggie says, we have responsibilities. We have a job to do for these people. We have to do that. Like, that has to come first. And just like, that is such an impossible decision. And again, not everybody is going to feel that way. Not everybody has that relationship with their sibling. Even in the most dire circumstances, they might not feel that way. But like, for me, as someone who is so close to my sibling, having to make that decision is just so heartbreaking. Like, I would not want to leave Dallin for anything in the world, but leaving my sister? Woof. That is so, so hard. Again, especially after seeing your dad's head chopped off. Like, you would just feel so like, okay, this is my last living family member. I need to keep that. Like, I need to keep that blood. Even though that's such a toxic thing. Like, blood, it doesn't necessarily mean much. But in this case, it does. Like, it's your last blood relative. It's your last living, true family member. Not a chosen family. You're given family and you left it. You left it twice. Like, what a hard position to be put in. And everything just happens so fast in this world, too. Like, there's really so little time to actually make these big decisions. And so, a lot of the times you might make the wrong one, but what a gut-wrenching one. So sad. It's the last time they see each other alive. Just so sad. Right. Yeah. Again, like, you know, if you actually had the time to sit and have that moment to think, like, of course everybody's going to choose their partner in life. That's how it works. That's how love works. Deciding that you're going to put this person in front of all the other people in your life. But to be in the circumstance of Maggie and Beth and seeing your father die in front of you and then being together and choosing to separate when you maybe have the opportunity to find Glenn at another time is, like, it's so hard. So, so hard. So sad. And it's even sadder knowing the outcome of Beth. But, like, you don't know. You don't know what's coming. You don't know where Glenn is. You don't know if Glenn is dead or not. You don't know, like, if Glenn is actually coming to you. You don't know anything. So you're making these decisions so blindly that it's got to hurt, but you also have got to understand, like, it's just how we have to do things to survive. Like, Maggie needs Glenn. She needs him. Not just because she loves him. Like, she needs him. And Beth knows that. But Beth doesn't have anyone. Like, she kind of has Daryl later on. But, like, really she doesn't have anybody. And she is so alone now because her dad is gone. Like, she doesn't have someone the way that Maggie does. And to have to choose responsibility over family is nice in the heart. Just so sad. Um, with Daryl, sorry, yeah? Um, with Daryl at the end, like, you know, he's sitting and talking to Carl. And Carl's like, I could kill the governor, like, right now. I could end this whole thing. And Daryl's like, yeah, and you could start something else in the process. Like, don't do that. But right before that, Rick just told Daryl that he basically banished Carol and sent her on her way because she killed Karen and that other guy. But for Daryl to have that clarity of responsibility, of safety in those moments and to be able to, like, tell Carl, like, you can't do that. And then also to shoot that guy that was in the tank right in front of him with the arrow. Like, Daryl is a badass. Daryl is so, so cool because he does make dumb decisions. But most of the time his dumb decisions are for the better. And he is the one that thinks with logic and with strength and with enough emotion that keeps him human. And he's just such, such a good such a good character for that. I love him. He's so cool. Yeah. I'm excited for a spinoff show. I wonder what it's like. Um. I feel like that was kind of it. I feel like, I mean, even though this is, like, such a big episode, it is a little bit, like, that's how it is. That's how it happened. But it is such a good episode and such a good change to the stasis of the Walking Dead world. It's just such good writing and such good acting. Well done to their creators on this one. Play. Great. Hit me. In what capacity? Like, live with them like they're my roommate or like they're my partner or they're my friend or like they're just in my life? Do I know who they're killing and why? Okay. We'll give this. I'll give this. If I knew that they were, like, actively killing bad people, maybe. You know, if I knew that they were, like, out here killing bad people, maybe. I don't know. Out here killing bad people who had no families, maybe. That's so bad! That's so bad of me to say. But if I don't know slash if they're just a bad person, then no. I would feel so disgusted with myself knowing that I was, like, near. Even if I didn't know them. Like, this makes me think of, like, the Dahmer series where, like, the next door neighbor, she kept being like, it feels weird. Like, something smelly going on there. She even told the police but nothing ever happened of it until they found the bodies in his apartment. But to be her, to, like, know that someone was murdering people next door to me or just in the same building, that would eat me up for the rest of my life. I would feel so bad. But again, if they had good reasons that they were doing it for good reasons, I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't Maybe I wouldn't say anything. Yeah! I wouldn't say I'd be okay with it. I'd maybe just, like, try and forget. Like, I mean Yeah, like, for sure it would change if I had kids. I'd say that. If I had, yeah, if it was more than just, like, me or Dallas, like, that would change my perspective. But, yeah, it would be really hard to get past even if they had good intentions because you would always, I think, be feared that were their good intentions actually good intentions? And are they manipulating me to tell me that their intentions were good? And, you know, are they bad society? And ultimately, even if they had good intentions, they are harming other people that are connected to whoever they murdered. And that's shitty. Don't do that. Don't make their moms feel bad. But, like, that would be really hard to live with especially if you knew it. But, I mean, ultimately, no. That would be really, really hard to live with. And, like, if I found that out, if someone in my complex was a serial killer, I would be, I would start my own podcast. I'd be like, this is my life with a serial killer. But I don't know. I don't think he would've. I don't think he would've, though. I feel like Rick would've either been like, we're gonna kill him or he's the one not allowed or put him in, like, one of the cells and locked it and been like, sorry. Like, we'll give you food. We'll give you shelter. But, no. But then that would've created, like, a whole dilemma. Maybe they would've done, like, when Tyrese came and they, like, said you can be in this section and we'll be in this section. Maybe they would've done something like that. But, like, yeah. There's no way Rick could've had the faith and the trust to let someone like the governor actually come live with them, right? Like, well, also, maybe he would've left it up to, like, the council and been like, I'm not a part of this. You guys make that decision. I don't know. But, you know, in this circumstance, you know, Herschel and Michonne would've been fine. But, I don't know. I have a hard time believing that Rick would've let someone like the governor into the prison. That's so untrustworthy. ... Yeah. I'd move. ... Yeah. Oh, I think I would've had to have moved anyway. Just knowing that I was, that would be hard. I feel like I'd be scared all the time. And that's not fun. And that's, again, I feel like that's why they couldn't let the governor in is, like, there would just be constant fear. And they had just finally gotten over that whole virus takeover. Like, they were already in such a fragile place. And to bring someone like the governor into their position? Just crazy. I mean, imagine if you had to do something like that. If you were in Rick's position and you had a group of people that you were trying to protect, would you bring someone like the governor in? Would you do that? Right. I mean, as much as Rick was a changed person, that is an extreme decision to make. ... ... Yeah. Or, like, do something. Like, he just can't be here. ... ... Yeah. Crazy. What if I was a serial killer? I mean, yeah. Yeah. What if you found out I was a serial killer? ... Rock your world? ... ... Yeah. Can I text you? I don't want you to say this out loud, but can I text you someone in our life that I think is slash could be? ... Okay. I just texted you. ... I'm not wrong. ... I mean, I know that being a serial killer is not, like, a very common thing, but, like, odds are you could have had some kind of interaction with someone who was, is, could be, will be, like... ... That's crazy. ... That's insane. ... ... ... My world would be rocked. Like, I, that would be, again, I'd make a podcast and I'd say, this is my life with a serial killer. I would be so shocked. I'd be so, like, you of all people in my life, like, the teddy bear? Like, no! You, like, you just love people and you're so kind and you're so good. Like, why on earth would I ever think that you were a serial killer? Like, no? You're welcome. Aww, that's sweet. But no, like, no way. No... Damn it! That, no, that's a good thing. That's a great thing. That's okay. Maybe someone will. Maybe we can play them, like, someone we know and we'll play them in a biopic or something and then we'll get a lot of money. ... Yeah, it's okay because we're rich and we have money. ... Yeah, right, right, right. ... Thanks for having me. I love this. This is fun. ... Oh, I'd love to. I'd love a good chat. ... ... Ooh, I'm in. ... I'm in. You're making me want to do a rewatch of the entire series. I think I might. ... Thanks for having me, Zach. ... ... ... ... Let us know. ... We won't tell. Yeah, you're good. Safe space. ... Of course. ... Stop this recording.