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Alrighty, welcome to episode 20 of the LTE podcast, it was meant to be 21, but I had a work up Sunday, it wasn't overly great, so I canned the 20th, so we are now the 20th, but I think this is not too bad considering, because I think you were probably one of the first people to message me when I started off the podcast, so it's probably not a bad thing that you're number 20, I'm probably surprised we've got 20 episodes as well. No, great, great, love it. So, yeah, probably long overdue, just life of being parents, but I would like to welcome or get taken part in to it. Thank you, finally here. I'm good, I'm actually okay. We were just debriefing about hectic parent life, but okay, it's like head above water, crazy underneath as per, but good. That's good, that's what we want to hear. So, obviously for the people that don't know who you are, tell us a bit about yourself. Alright, this is such a stumpy question to hit up with. So, I'm Kagan, I'm a mum of two girls, past life stuff, I was a physio, like I went straight out of school, went to uni, became a physio, very early in that journey, mental illness cropped up for me, and definitely threw in curve balls, probably not a bull, and I worked really hard, like I worked really hard recovery wise to, you know, I guess first attempts were to beat it, and then changed to work with it, but that was some learning. And then I fell into, like physio was just, it was good and I was a good physio, I was a great physio, but it was very obvious that patients would come back to me because I could talk to people. So, I started sort of questioning, like, I don't know that what I'm actually doing physio wise is what's getting, you know, people on board, maybe. But yeah, so then I fell into working as a peer worker, like a peer specialist with SA Health, so I worked at Glenside, and straight off the bat, I sort of got straight cred because I was a physio, and I worked in what's called the PICU, which is the psychiatric ICU, which is the locked ward, so it's the ward that you don't get to leave until you're doing well enough. Right. And... So how'd you end up in there? Work wise? Yeah. Like, it's just a random dazzling sort of thing, like I was back at uni doing a master's looking at mental health, sort of exposed to mental health jobs and roles, and then this sort of lived experience stuff is pretty new, especially for South Australia. Other states have been doing it a lot longer than us. Standard. Yep. And yeah, it just all sort of fell in my lap. Right. Yeah. And I worked in there for like five years, I want to say, six years before having kids, and worked my way up probably pretty quick into management, but realised it's actually working with people that I like. Yep. I don't particularly love the management stuff. Yeah, yeah. And then I went and had babies. Yeah. So, yeah, we had two babies quite close together. Yep. And I went back to work at six months post my second bulb, and I worked in the Perinatal Mental Health Unit, which is where mums go with their babes. Right. Yep. Yep, okay. That's cool. It was awesome. Yeah. But in the six months that I worked there, I got diagnosed with postnatal depression myself. Right. Yep. Right. Was that like a factor? Well, at the time, I didn't think so. When other people around me were like, I don't know, I was like, I don't know, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But potentially, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there was a lot of things happening for me, just the whole return to work. Yep, yep. And what that was like. Seven babies. Yep. Or was it thirteen months? Nineteen. Nineteen months. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it was accumulation of like, at capacity. Yep. And I went back to work early again, stars aligned, and an opportunity came up that I couldn't say no to. But I think I was also sort of running for some sort of purpose, because I was feeling lost in my mother's space. Yep. Yep. And all the energy went into that. Yep. Yep. Right. And then? And then yeah, then I actually had to stop. And by had to stop, I ended up in hospital myself. Okay. Yep. So after, like hospital had been a feature of my early years. Yep. A few times. I had been out of hospital, had not had a hospital admission for seven years. Yep. And I had a ten day stay, and it was a sections day. Yep. Like I was a, it was unique to be here. Yep. Yep. Yep. Coming out of that, where, when that lead, was that a? That one, like it was a ten. Was that a third to last? Or was that a? It was third to last. Yep. Yep. 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