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Nelda Marie Kidd MacPherson is interviewed by Wanda Harley MacPherson in 06-2008. She tells stories of her past and original family and how they came to Utah.
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Nelda Marie Kidd MacPherson is interviewed by Wanda Harley MacPherson in 06-2008. She tells stories of her past and original family and how they came to Utah.
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Nelda Marie Kidd MacPherson is interviewed by Wanda Harley MacPherson in 06-2008. She tells stories of her past and original family and how they came to Utah.
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April 6, 2008, with an elderly person. He always tried and tried hard, and no matter what he did, he did it to the best of his ability. So, when he came out west, my dad, he started herding sheep, and kind of thought that that was the way to get started. If you had a herd of sheep, you could sell the wool at such a price, you know, that you had to live in the mountains all by yourself. So he taught Fern, as Fern grew to herd sheep, and Fern hated it, you know, and so it's hard just hard for them. My two uncles went on a mission back to Tennessee and converted them, and then they sponsored, supposedly sponsored them, you know, to come out, and they built this little one-room shack Oh, you just got to read the history, the grandmother came out, she was the old one, she came, and they all lived just like a bug in a rug, and then she died, passed away. And grandma, that was the great-grandmother, that was my grandfather's mother that came out west. Her name was what? Is that Rachel that was buried up in Avon? April, is it Rachel Lowness? Uh, got to get the history. Mary Lowness is the one that's buried in. I thought it was Rachel. No, that was the next generation. So, we do need to find, need to, I guess, start at day one. My grandfather was a very strong, determined individual. He kind of ran the show. No matter where he was, he ran the show. I always think about, they said he would always take care of people, he belonged to the Ku Klux Klan, and I don't know that he ever went out with them, but they kind of depended on him to be the toughie, to force issues. He had a lot of issues with the way they treated the black people. And he even hid a little black guy that came to the door, and he told him, he wanted, George, I want you to hide me. He said, they're after me. So, he ran them, he said, well, can't hide you in the house, but there is a corn silo out in back, and I guess that's where they just threw, you know, the corn husks and all. And he said, you want to try to hide in there, you can. So, he went out there, and got in that silo, and bored down through all of those husks and everything, got down pretty far, and thought he was safe. Well, they came, and they tracked his footprints to Grandfather's door. And they were pretty hostile. Well, he said, you can just look around, he's not here. So, they looked around, but they still kind of tracked him over to the silo. And he said, they got up, Grandfather said, they got up in that silo, and they took their bayonets, and shoved it way down in, just kept walking in there. And he was worried, because he said, have they been able to get their bayonets down in there, and scarred him and made him bleed? He said, they would have had me, they would have taken me for allowing him to be in there. So, it was kind of touch and go back in those days. And he told us about how they burned... So, what happened, they didn't find him then? No, they didn't. The little guy said he was scared to death. They were going to. But, no, they didn't find him. But, they burned a cross on Grandfather's yard the very next day or two. They wanted him to know that they just didn't quite trust him. So, when he saw the cross being burned, he just took his pistol and stuck it under his pillow and sat there. And they came in, and he was getting ready to go to bed. And he had his little bed in the living room, I guess, where they, however they could fit people in. When he was in the living room, he said that they came in and they pulled, took his feet and legs and pulled him out from the side of the bed. He thought, well, this is it, I'm in trouble. But, he said, he just kept his hand and made up his mind, if they did anything, they were dead. And they must have sensed it, because one of them in the kitchen got a big dishpan and brought it in the living room, put his feet in the dishpan, and then poured honey all over his knees and his feet and his legs and said to him as they left, now, that'll teach you to not go to bed with dirty feet. Now, you've got to go wash them. So, they were just hecklers, you know, anything to keep him stirred up. But, they left, and they never bothered him again. But, he said, they would have been dead men if they had. And then, to show you what he was like, he told his neighbor, his neighbor would let his cow break the fence down and get in and eat his garden, was pulling his carrots out and everything. He went over to his neighbor and told him, you come get your cow, if you don't keep her out of my garden, she's going to be a dead cow. So, the neighbor came over and got his cow and took her home. He fixed the fence. The next day or two, there was the cow back in the garden. And, he went and got his rifle and shot that cow right in the garden. Then, he went over to the neighbor and he said, you better come over and get your cow, she's dead. And, I told you to keep her out. You didn't. She's over there laying on the ground. If you want her, you know where to get her. So, that was the kind of person he was. You know, as all of we kids have been born, grown up, I see that little tendency through some of the boys. They'll take just so much and then they've had it. And so, especially my brother Jack, I see him to be the most patient, long-suffering person you could ever imagine. But, you just shove him too hard. Then, you'll get a repercussion. It may not be a bad one, but you'll know that you've been pushy. And, I even see the hurt sometimes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, I push just so hard. When he's had enough, he has had enough. So, it's going to be interesting. He would tell us kids stories. And, he had a lot of them. I'll tell you, that down south during the Civil War was something to live through. Yeah, it was. And, he lived through it. And, he used to just tell stories and I'd be sitting on the little, I had a little cot in the living room. I'd be sitting with my legs hanging down. I'd get scared because I was afraid something would come out from under the bed and grab my feet. But, he'd tell these stories that would just scare you. He could spin one right after another about Civil War. He always had a strange thing. He would be riding his horse down the road. And, he told about he was riding his horse down the road one night. And, there was just somebody laying there that had been shot. And so, he just kept right on going. He wasn't going to mess around because he said they were everywhere down there. So, I guess all of the boys, you know, were called into the service. And, they'd just run through those trees and those swamps. But... Where are they from? Down in Nashville. And, he said that there was a swamp. And, he always felt there was something strange in there. He said he'd ride his horse through that swamp and there would be a man. And, he didn't know who he was. But, he would jump up on the back of his horse from the ground and sit behind him, you know. And, he said he'd take his hat off and swat at him and he'd jump down on the ground again. He just kept jumping back up and back and forth. But, he said that swamp was haunted. And, he didn't know what was in there. But, he said there was something in there not to deal with. So, he was always kind of a little spooky about everything. That was your grandfather? Uh-huh. Yeah, he was a hard man. The time he came up. But, he was. Once he was convinced of the gospel, he believed it all the way. But, he never deviated from it until the day he died. So, I think back about all of those things that they went through. What a heritage. And, then you sure hoped that you lived. Not the way you should have lived. To credit what they had to live through. That old south was a hard one to live through. I have no idea. Never did write his history. I wish he hadn't. But, you just always heard just little bits and pieces. And, he raised a family of boys. And, he was very strict. Very right down the line. They all turned up to do alright. And, they finally got out here. Then, they spread out. And, they left each other. And, the ones that left and went their way. They all wound up with the money. Because, they knew how to work. The poor little Adeline Lonas. She would work right out in the field with the guys. And, she was pregnant. She just went into labor. Leave the field, go in, have the baby. Go back out in the fields. And, who was that? Adeline. Mary. Mary. And, she was Georgia's wife. My grandmother. She was my grandfather's wife. She's the one that came out. Who was taking care of the family. And, the grandmother that passed away. She's the one that has the headstone up in Haycock Cemetery. She passed away, and they had her buried up there. Steve Avery don't have any of them that well. I don't know that Uncle Lawrence is gone. But, I think he probably is. But, he would be the only one that could ever help his son. What really took place after they left the Horseshoe Ranch. He's the one that left and took his share of the money and went into the racehorse business. He bought himself a couple of little fillies and started racing racehorses. And, then he took, he went out to all of the derbies everywhere. And, he won. So, he's the one that probably could have helped him, but he didn't. He took care of himself. And, he lived to see all of his brothers one after another pass away. So, I don't suppose it was a glorious thing. You know, or bad. To live like that. But, after that kind of stuff, you begin to realize it really counts. What it really is. Thank goodness for the gospel. Well, what is your full name? Why? 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I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. I'm in two. One night the Ku Klux Klan came and he was just getting ready to go to bed and the kind of person that he was was he saw them come and they burned a cross on his front yard. He got his revolver and stuck it under his pillow and he just sat there waiting for them to come in. They came in and they questioned him about a lot of things, but he said, yeah, he was kind of scared. He didn't know what they were going to do, but he decided that if they did anything and even made a move toward him that he'd shoot them, he'd kill them right there. And so they must have sensed that he was angry and was just waiting for somebody to make a move. They went out in the kitchen and they got a big dish pan and they brought it back. They pulled his feet off the bed and stripped him to the knees and they poured honey all over his legs, all over his feet. And they said, they turned around bidding farewell and said, now you'll have to bathe before you can go to bed. That'll teach you to go to bed with dirty feet. And so he let them leave and he did have to clean up before he could go to bed. But he always was wondering if they were going to come back. But the kind of person that he was, so this will help you understand kind of what went on with my father and the boys. They knew their dad and they knew him. He said something, he meant it. But he told his neighbor, the neighbor that they had right next door, he made a wonderful garden and the neighbor would let his cow out and the cow would break the fence down and get in and pull his carrots and eat his potatoes. So one day he just said to, he told his neighbor, he said, keep your cow out of my garden because if you don't, I'll kill her. Well the next two days, he didn't pay any attention to it. He went out, the cow was there eating the garden, he just went back and got his rifle and shot the cow. And he went over to his neighbors, he said, come and get your cow, she's dead. You got into my garden and now if you want her, she's yours but you got to come get her. And that was the last of that, he came and got the cow. But Grandfather was that way, he was one kind of hard man. So when they came from the south out to Idaho, two of the missionaries that came to his home were my uncles. And they went to his home and they, two of my, my mother's brothers, Roy and what was the other one, Roy was one, isn't that funny, I can't remember my uncle's name, I know it as well as Snow Moon, but I can't remember mine. What was Roy's last name? Jackson, they were all Jacksons. And then an uncle from up in Idaho went and his name was Patton, Will Patton. And Will and Roy together taught Grandfather and so one night when he said he didn't want to hear this and he didn't want to hear that from them, they got up and one of them just threw his Book of Mormon on the floor, they were sitting in front of the fireplace eating apples and popcorn and visiting. He just threw his Book of Mormon down like that because he wanted to get up. When he did, Grandfather says, what's in that anyway? He never asked or wanted them to tell him, but he said, what's in that anyway? And Uncle Will Patton said it just hit him that he should say, well, it's just a history of the American Indians. Well, Grandfather said, I'd like to know about that. So he handed him the Book of Mormon and said, it's yours. Well, when he went to bed that night, he and Grandmother went to bed and Grandfather said, Mary, let's just read what's in that book. Now, didn't you tell me that you said that the, uh, didn't they go out to do the laundry and that? Oh yeah, that's, that's a different story, but it's true. I thought that was when he first read the Book of Mormon. No. He left it on his table and he's not reading it while they're gone. Yeah. Well, he told my, told my dad, watch for those boys. They went down to the creek to wash their clothes and watch for them. And had my dad go out and watch for when they started home and then he got the Book of Mormon and was summing all through it. But when he really sat down to read it with a sincere heart, he did with Grandmother because he wasn't as able to read as she was. She was a well-educated lady. So she would read to him and she hadn't read but about five or six pages or chapters, my dad said. And he turned to her and he said, Mary, this book is true. This book is truth. I believe it. And from then on, he stayed with the Book of Mormon until it was finished. They taught him the gospel and he decided, my dad got angry at his dad because Grandfather had promised my dad that if he would help him on the farm, he would see that he got a surrey. Now a surrey is like a little buggy, only a big buggy for men. And they hook their horses to it and they get in this surrey and go to town, you know. And he promised it to my dad and my dad worked one, two, three years, I don't know how many. But Grandfather never came through with the promise. And so my dad left. He was one of the first ones that left home and came west to Idaho because he was angry at his father. Just miffed to think that he didn't keep his word. But when he got here, he had worked hard and had money. So he even helped pay for them to come west. So it was quite a history. He helped to get his parents out here. And where did he live? Well, they lived up in Idaho. They lived in Avon. Yeah, and you'll have to take the kids up to see that sometime. It was just a one-room house. And there were so many of them. And they slept in that little house and you would not believe it. They had an upstairs built just about two-thirds of the way up and they all slept up there on the floor. And that little place is still up there in Avon. We took the kids up to see it two or three years, the golf seats. And who did he live by in Avon? He lived by my mother's folks. My mother's folks even helped build it too. And that's how he met, who was it? My mom. And her name was? Minnie Jackson. And what was cute was they met him in Logan when he got in. And there were two or three fellows that went with him. But they all got in their little Surrey and took off and drove clear out to Avon where the little house was. And the thing that made my mom decide she was going to go for him, for my dad, was she said, you know, she stood in the window and she watched. And all the guys got out and they just kind of walked around and stood. But my dad, and my dad jumped right out of that Surrey, went over, unhooked the horses, unharnessed the horses and turned them out to eat. And she said, when I saw that, I said, now there's a guy that's not lazy. All the rest of them are standing around waiting for somebody to wait on them. But my dad, he just jumped down and took over. And from then on, she said, she had two or three sisters and they all said, I'll go for him. My mom said, no sir, he's mine. So those three girls were all trying to hit with him because they saw he was an ambitious doer. And he always was. So he kind of took his shine to my mom. She had one, two, three sisters. They would all have liked to have gone with him, but he liked my mom and she really liked him. So then they didn't get married. He went, got a job herding sheep and got typhoid fever and was terribly sick. So all of that time, there was just a little thing going on between them. And when he came back from herding sheep, he decided, this is the girl. So they got married and moved up into Idaho. From there, it's history. My grandfather came out with his wife and his mother. And they all lived in that little tiny house until spring. When his mother got so ill, she passed away and she is buried there at the graveyard in Idaho. So when you go up there, you'll see a little headstone sitting up to the side of the other headstone at the cemetery. And that is that little old grandma's headstone. What's her name? You ask me things like that and you forget that I've got short-term memory. I have to get it out. She was a mother of who? She was George W.'s mother. What's the other kid? George's other kid. What's her name? They got married. So he always called her Mary. So was there a girl, Lona, that was Leonard's? Somewhere in there. Something like that. Right. Well, that's the only thing I can kind of hear about her. It's hard to tell it with the books in front of me and get the right names and everything. I was really funny how you tricked him. You remember that story? You know what I'm talking about? Oh, my dad, my dad. Did you hear that one? And he was a ghost and so he ran off. Yeah, and who's going to learn the wild hog hoop? Tell us the story. Tell us the story first. Well, the one thing about it was when everybody kind of got out west and my dad was putting the bishopric and he became very religious. But all the kids in the neighborhood loved my dad. He taught a Sunday school class of young people and they all loved him and you'd be going any place with him and they'd be, hey, brother kid, brother kid. And they all seemed to love him. Well, he got such a kick out of teasing them. He loved to tease them. He loved them. But our place was always just loaded with all the kids in the neighborhood. So one night, is it the one about the one that's still home? He snuck out and ran ahead of them? Well, before that, they all wanted to come to our place and hunt rabbits because just down from our house, probably three or four blocks right straight through the field, we had a haystack and the deer had come in during the winter and had eaten like the deer does. So the haystack was like this. All around the bottom, the deer had eaten out and it was quite shallow. But they were going to hunt rabbits. All these boys brought their guns and they crawled up on this haystack and they figured when the rabbits come in, we'll just be sitting right here. We could pick them off. So my dad got an idea. The moon, I can still see the night. The moon was shining bright and it was cold as it could be. And you could go out and you could see the haystack and you could see all the countryside there. So my dad takes a sheet and he went out where the boys couldn't see. And they all crawled up on this haystack. And they all had guns? And they all had guns. No, but that's why he made sure he blended right in. And he did the wild hog hoop. And this is it. I'm not proud because it's not a ladylike thing to do. But I learned how to do it. And so ever since then, my whole family wants me to pass it to somebody. So anybody that could figure out how to do it. But this is what my dad would do. And he said it called the wild hogs. When they were hunters down in the south, that this, if he did it, would cause the wild hogs to come in. So he always called it the wild hog hoop. And this is the way it goes. I hope I can still do it. I can't do it loud. And he would do that and it would be so loud. And the kids fell off that haystack and just came running to the house as hard as they could run. Well, my dad had to run just as hard as he could run to get in the house. He came in the back door. He threw that thing on the floor and ran in and sat down. He was just sitting there. What did he throw on the floor? The sheet. He was wearing a sheet. He had a sheet on him. And they saw him. And no, they didn't see him. They didn't see him with a sheet? No. They thought he was, they didn't think to see if they saw a ghost or anything? No. And so he ran in the back door and he threw the sheet down. Then he ran into the living room where the boys had all been sitting. And they just came and they hit that door and just fell into the living room. Oh, my dad had to run so hard that he was panting. He was just going. One of the boys that fell in like that, he turned over and he said, boy, there's something out there. Oh, Mr. Kid, I think it's a mountain lion. Then he was going. All of a sudden he just stopped and he said, you son of a gun. What are you panting for? And he was sitting there. He said, that was you. That was you, wasn't it? And dad had to just laugh. But then it was, he had been so scared. He had to harness the horses to take him home. So the one boy said, he just loved to scare them so they didn't walk home alone. But anyway, this one boy said, well, I'm walking home. I'm just going to go right down the street here. I don't need anybody helping me. Well, my dad just took that sheet. Took that sheet and there was a building down below and everybody thought that little building was just a little shed, that it was spooky. Nobody wanted to walk by during the day even. But dad goes down there with that sheet, hurried down there and went around and got right in the doorway of that little shed. And when Jay Hill came by, he jumped out and he went, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, scared Jay to death. Jay had about two blocks to run. He ran all the way home. So my dad was a tease. He just loved to tease his kids. But he was a lot of fun. Anyway, that's kind of the way we lived our lives. One thing I do want you to say before we quit is, um, tell us a poem you want us to say. You want to say it today? Which one? I love my mother. Oh, goodness. Village like Smith. There was another one. And I've always, I've always taught my boys this. The woman was old and ragged and gray and bent with the chill on a winter's day. The streets were wet and covered with snow and the woman's feet was aged in snow. And I can't remember all of it, but I'll do the best I can. She stood at the crossing and waited long. Unloved, uncared for, amid the throng. And then it tells about the boys all coming home from school and kicking the snow right and left. And someday I'm going down to the library and see if I can get it. But there was one boy in the crowd. And this, it rhymes, but it's the story. One boy in the crowd walked up gently by her side. And it reminded me of you. He put his arm through hers and he said, I'll take you across if you wish to go. So he helped her across the street. Then it tells, and that night and the prayer she said, Let God be kind to that noble boy, who is somebody's boy and pride and joy. And it was just a cute Sunday if I can ever find that because it's such a sweet poem that teaches, teaches you to be concerned about people who need your help. And to not hesitate, because what it does for you when you have reached and helped someone who really needed you desperately. Now the village blacksmith boy came up. Why don't you practice that and then we'll do it next time tomorrow? Yeah, I've got. Next time tomorrow, so that's, that'll be fun to practice. Yeah, but how does it even start? Isn't that sad that you can forget? And there, you know, there's others that I would love to do too. Because it was during the, the World War. Because it was during the, the World War. That all of this was going on and they sang so many songs about the boys going off to war. And how the mothers and the fathers just broke their hearts to have their boys go. And one that my mother would always sing was about joining the service, joining the Navy and all these things. So, yeah, I really need to sit down. Maybe it'll come to me. What about the one, I love you, mother? Yeah, I love you, mother, said little. Yeah, I love you, mother, said little. Now, I know I love you better than time can tell. But she teased and pouted through half the day till her mother rejoiced when she went to play. I love you, mother, said little. Nan. Nan. Today I will help you all that I can. So she took the broom and swept the room. Doesn't deplore. And something else. I love you, mother, said little. Gosh, how sad that you forget those. Love you, mother, said little. Now, I love you better than time can tell. Well, let's look at it tomorrow. Have to look it up. You know, the only place I can go. I went down to the Orem library one time when I was giving a lesson. And asked about tour three. And the girl just went right over, knew where to find it. Well, I have a card. Yeah. I can't. Isn't that sad? Ever since I was sick, my short-term memory is just really gone. Yeah. I can't. I can't even remember. I think once you see it there, it'll come. Oh, yeah. Maybe you can go down and get the rest of it for yourself someday. Was another day like this. I ran away from home. The gallant ship was sailing out at sea. A blue-eyed boy stood on the deck with longing, look-full eyes. And he's going away to war. And somebody says, you better stay at home, my boy, until you're old or grown. You say you love the sea, lad, you're not old enough to know. The sea's not always bright and fair, the weather ever fair. You'd better stay at home, my boy, your happiest days are there. Was advised to a sailor. Oh, I just, you know, I wish years ago I had written down these things. All of them are so fun. I might find them in some of the boxes. It'd be interesting. I had all these things in my little keepsakes, and Earl went up to sell the house and burned all of my stuff. It was stored in a shed, and he just went in and cleaned out that shed. So, you know, maybe someday in eternity I'll remember them. But I had a mom that would recite poetry. She was good at it. She used to do it on the stage. She'd get up a pan of mine and, and, you know, she'd recite a poem. Recite her poetry, and so we kids just learned those things from her, you know. She was always singing them, teaching us. She'd teach us a principle like this thing of helping the little old lady across the street. And the village blacksmith was. I cannot believe I had to learn that. And I went to the eighth grade. I never thought I'd ever forget it. Yeah, that'd be kind of fun to see what we could find out. But it's gone, I'm sure. I would like to do all I'm gonna need to just sit down someday with a pencil and paper. If something comes into my mind, just jog it down. Now, let this be a lesson to every one of you. Keep a journal. Had I kept my journal like I should, I probably would have been able to go right back. Keep your journal on little things that will remind you when you really want to remember.
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