Episode 1

all over that rug in the entryway and that's why there's this giant stain. You know what's really funny? Your face? No, your kid was way more excited to see me yesterday, didn't you? That was really depressing. And that was great. I mean, I'm not surprised. Okay, my kids, like, all the salt on wounds. Your kid's always excited, I get it. It's fine. My kid's always excited to see you, but it's because you offer him advantages of the world that he'll never get. Yeah, it's like chocolate is amazing. Chocolate is amazing, so are those chicken nuggets I just ate. All right, you want to get started? Sure! All right, hello everybody and welcome to Two Dumb Dads. I'm Chris. I'm Nick. And this is our first episode. Yay! We've been talking about doing this for about three months now and, God, I'm excited to finally be doing this. Yeah, me too. We've done this, like, 14 times now. Yeah, I guess we've done this 14 times now and this is the exact same. This literal exact introduction. We're not too good at choosing one and, who knows, you may have even heard of us on the Somewhere in the Sky's podcast over Justice League. Yeah, which we're going to be on again talking about Star Wars. We'll get there. We'll get there. But for now, I just, like, we figured we're going to try and do a thing here. Like, we've been having a lot of conversations around how completely ignorant we are about parenting and we realized it was time to record them. We should slap some microphones in front of our face and document this complete and utter lunacy that we're discussing. It is pretty crazy to think that we have kids because I still feel like I'm, like, 18 most days. Yeah, I feel like I'm a complete juvenile. I feel like I should be sitting in front of the television playing Sonic the Hedgehog. And you're, like, responsible for rearing a small human being that will eventually replace you on this Earth. Yeah, it completely makes me realize how ignorant my dad probably felt. Like, how completely and utterly alone he felt in knowing what he's supposed to be doing. Which is, like, the opposite of my parents. I realize now that after five, they were, like, you're fine. You're all right. Cool. Sure. But so, because we're having these conversations, let's record them. We'll figure out how we're doing. We'll document the journey and let people hear it. I mean, hopefully we're having conversations that other people are having out there and maybe they'll get something out of it. And God forbid somebody has an answer to something we're discussing and they can tell us. Yeah. Please tell us. Answers are great. But not like the cray-cray answers. Like, normal answers. Right. And so, cray-cray answers are never a good thing. No, like, the world is round. What? I mean, the world is definitively round. I think we can come out right now as a pro-science podcast. Science. I'm just gonna, we're just gonna throw that out there right now. Pro-science. So, that being said, come along on this journey with us and we'll see where it takes us figuring out who we are as parents, as men, and as men who happen to be parents. And you'll find out that Chris hates every movie that I love. All of them. Truth. But before we get started, I guess people probably want to know who we are. So, Nick, tell us a little bit about who we are. Oh, who are we? So, we're two fine gentlemen who grew up in the middle of the country in Illinois. I grew up in one single place. Chris, you moved around a lot, right? I moved around a bit as a child. But I think we, I've definitely spent most of my childhood from about third grade up through college in Rock Island, Illinois, in the Quad Cities. A shout out to my hometown. QCA. So, yeah. So, we went, we met in high school. So, we've known each other for, I think, I was doing the math, it's 15 years now. Yeah, something like that. We met first year of high school. I remember I sat right behind you in a freshman religion class. Were you in freshman religion with me? I was in freshman religion with you. Mr. Michael. You wouldn't fucking talk to me. It wasn't until I started working at Whitey's Ice Cream, the most racially named ice cream shop in all of America, that we became friends and you suddenly started talking to me at school as well. Because you still looked intimidating then. I mean, I was a big guy back then. Yeah, it was the gold chains that you wore everywhere. That's true. I did wear a lot of gold. You had a lot of gold. You had gold chains, gold rings. You make me sound like Mr. T. You were kind of Mr. T. I had a gold watch, I had one gold necklace thing, and I think junior year, I had a gold class ring that I think I lost. You also wore, like, flamed collared shirts. Yeah, I went through phases. I know. You did go through phases. I think your graphic tee phase was probably the best. That was the heavy metal phase, right? Oh, no, the flaming shirts and heavy metal phase. The graphic tees was college where you wore a hat all the time. I mean, those were, now, that was my hoodie and Cubs hat phase. That was what college was. There was a Bears hat in there. I mean, there were a few hats. There was a North Carolina hat that my wife stole and would eventually lead to our marriage. That's right. I remember North Carolina hats. So, that's things that we've known each other since high school and at some point, when we were both trying to figure out where to go to college, I was like, hey, Greg, why don't we just go to the college we ended up going to? And you were like, hey, Nick, why don't we room together in that college that we both wanted to go to? Much to the disagreement of someone that was your friend at the time, who still, I guess, may be your friend. No names, but... We'll see how it goes. We're open. So, I snapped you up. I was like a... I, like, robbed you. You were the other woman. To be fair, I was the other woman from your former business. That's true. I mean, to be fair, my wife had a conversation one day where I texted you and you didn't respond to me. And she was like, well, maybe he's talking to his wife. And I said, well, I am his wife. And I meant that. You're like my hetero life mate. Yes. Unfortunately, and I do mean unfortunately, I do have an actual wife as well. And so do I. And they understand the dynamics of this relationship, which is friendship. Yeah. Which, I guess, leads to the fact that we... So, we went to high school together and we went to college together and we have similar majors. I'm an actor and you're a... I'm a fucking everything major. I, god damn it, my background is in psychology and English. And then somewhere along the lines, I said, fuck this. I want to be poor the rest of my life. And I became a playwright. I went to graduate school out here in New York City. Became a... I don't want to say I became a playwright. That suggests I worked or something. But I wrote plays and I didn't give them to anybody. And then I said, fuck it. I'm going to teach instead. So, you decided to still be poor the rest of your life. And so I decided to still be poor the rest of my life. Me too. I mean, I decided to be an actor and go teach and be poor the rest of my life. Right. We decided to live the hashtag poor lifestyle. I just dropped a hashtag. Hashtag millennial. Hashtag poor life. Hashtag... Hashtag... Hashtag Twitter. Hashtag I don't know what my Twitter handle is. Hashtag... Do you even have Twitter? I did. I have two. After we did that podcast with Ryan, I found out that I already had a Twitter handle. It wasn't the one I said on there. And then I created a second one because I didn't know I had a first one until after I'd looked it up. After I'd created the second one. But I now have two Twitter handles, neither of which really have anything posted. That's awesome. Oh yeah. I am super into social media. Clearly. I'm way more into it than you are. But so, okay. So, what's really interesting though is that we kind of covered really quickly just our relationship. We've known each other for a long time. And we've been friends forever. Yeah, we have. And most of the base of our friendship is just yelling at each other because you hate everything. Right. And I like everything. Everything. Great. But more important than that is that we happen to also, not only did we go to high school together, go to college together, go into the same career paths, we also happen to have kids that are the same age. Yeah, roughly. One's a boy and one's a girl. Yeah, my kid, my daughter. There you go. I gotta say, do you have a girl or a boy? I have the mix. She's a girl who thinks that she's a boy sometimes. And who knows? Maybe she is. I don't want to label or do any of those gender politic-y things that I'm not supposed to do. But I'm assuming she's a girl. I don't know. I guess this is the point where we talk a little bit about our kids. Yeah, let's kind of figure it out. I'll do a little bit of the kid thing then. Okay. So, my wife and I had discussed quite a bit the act of getting pregnant. My wife had wanted to have a kid long before I was actually ready. And largely financial reasons, right? We're trying to get settled. We're trying to figure it out. I didn't really have a job for the first few years after I finished school. You could make a mean coffee, though. I mean, I made a great Starbucks coffee. I guess that's the best time of my life. Maybe I shouldn't name... Look, I don't want to say anything too bad about Starbucks. It didn't treat me too terribly. But look, it's still Starbucks, right? Anyway, point is, until I actually got a... I don't want to say an adult job. It's an adult job. It's a grown-up job. Until I started getting a job that I was more satisfied in. I didn't want to start having a family. And subsequently, after a few years of teaching, we decided it was time to start thinking about kids. So, my daughter was very planned. It was very... Look, I don't want to say it was... I don't want to get into the specifics. Let's just say we knew we were doing. And subsequently, we had a really nice easy pregnancy. Everything was great. But you had some challenges getting to the pregnancy, though, didn't you? Did it take a little bit longer than I thought you guys... No, we didn't take us too long. Like, we started kind of nonchalantly trying. And then after, shoot, I don't know, probably three, four months, we were pregnant. We didn't actually like... We didn't do anything like, oh, let's take some shots. Let's do the fertilization treatment. No, no. I just thought it took a little bit longer. It wasn't immediate. It wasn't like you started trying. We got somebody else we know. Yeah, and that's how I... that's how ours worked. How did yours work? So, well, you guys said we're having a baby. And so, and then we held my niece at the time, who was like one. And we were like, look at the baby. And then, you know, we did things that consenting adults do. You did the low-down turnaround. We did low-down turnaround. And basically, we went home for Easter. And my wife was like, I'm going to get a test. Don't think I'm pregnant, but I'm going to get a test. And so, then I was eating a hot wing. And she nodded at me that we were pregnant. And I choked on my hot wing. And we told my whole family. And we had a baby. So, it was much less... It wasn't that it wasn't planned, but it wasn't that it was planned. Sure. And then you guys had a tougher pregnancy than we had. Yeah, we had some complications. So, nothing crazy. I mean... Are you okay telling us a little bit about that? Yeah, oh yeah. It was nothing... I mean, now looking back on it, it's something crazy. But they thought he was like a failure... almost not a failure to thrive baby. An inter-uter... I-U-G-R baby. Inter-utero growth restriction. Basically, he was smaller. He wasn't growing at the rate that they thought that he should be growing at. So, it required us to have to go in twice a week for exams. And we had to get genetic testing done to make sure he didn't have something more serious than him just being small. Right. But my wife and I are both smaller people. So, it ended up being he's just kind of going to be short like me. The only big thing we have is he's got like a peep issue. He's got something that makes his peep a little crooked that we have to get fixed. Which is going to be really traumatizing for me because that's a sensitive area. It's a no-no place as it were. Sure. Sure. Yeah. But it was... I mean, listen. In retrospect, like looking back on it, it didn't seem as hard. But like going through all of it, like it was rough. Especially like trying to be there for every doctor's appointment for my wife. To be supportive and to like keep track of what's going on. And it's funny like the one doctor appointment I missed is the one where they were like, oh, we have to induce you in labor. And it looked like he got smaller. So, like my wife came home was like, this... it wasn't good news. And we had to run to the hospital that night. But we were supposed to deliver the next week. So, to me, I was like, well, this... I'll just stay home. I'll miss this one. Sure. And then that's when it was like one of the second most traumatic of all of them. And I was like, oh, I feel shitty now. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's... that was rough. That was rough. I mean, obviously, I was around for most of it. And so, I remember seeing the panic phases, the exhaustion, the... all of it. I mean, I'm sure that didn't help anything either. Everybody's constantly exhausted and anxious about everything. And it's a little hard. I mean, it's interesting too to watch like with you, you know, having your child who... because you are ahead, right? You have three months that we were there with you when Theo was born. Right. And to see like a really healthy baby being there and being present. And then, you know, so it's like this weird justic... this weird... weird... juxtaposition? Is that the word I'm looking for? Yeah, no, absolutely. Of like, here's this really healthy baby. And then like, in the meantime, you're enjoying that, celebrating that. In the meantime, you're like, and my baby might not be. And so, to see like and that emotional like thing that's happening, right, is... it's really... you're really torn. It's like, wow. And I mean, but the good news is that everything turned out fine. Miles was born. He was born healthy. He was born happy. He was born screaming with a mouth the size of the Grand Canyon. He has a big mouth and a big head. You know, these things... I want... so, there's a place where we grew up where you can get heads measured. I want to make... I want them to make a burrito the size of his head. And that would be fine. I still wouldn't be able to eat it. His head today is still too big for most people to use as a bowling ball. Yeah, it's a pretty big head. It's most of his weight. So, have you guys had any... how's the first year been? You guys doing well? Yeah, it's been really good. So, you know, Miles was... I don't want to say he's... I think he was a normal baby. You know, like he was fussy a little bit. And so, that was definitely challenging at times just with sleep deprivation. He threw up a lot. That was a weird thing that he had. Yeah, do you guys ever figure out what that was? No, I think it's just normal. I had it as a kid. I think some of those things you freak out as a parent. The doctors were like, eh, he'll outgrow it. He'll outgrow it. It was a bigger deal for the daycare we had at the time because I think it was hard for them to deal with. But he's pretty much outgrown it. That's actually a worthwhile thing to discuss a little bit. When did you guys start daycare? Four months? No, three months. Three months old. So, as soon as... like my wife had 12 weeks maturity leave. Oh, that's nice. It was great. And so, then it was in February. So, he went to daycare. I went back to work and my wife went back to work. And so, you know, that was an interesting transition. I think it was probably harder. I was teaching when my wife's not maternity leave. So, I never really had that. I was at home with him a lot. So, it was a way harder transition for her than for me. So, anyway, but yeah. So, he threw up a lot. But it's funny because now that he's like past that phase, he's way more chill. I mean, yeah, he goes to... I think like any kid, he goes to phases where he wants to be held or he'll want something. But for the most part, he just wants to move all the time. He doesn't want to be... he's not a real cuddle baby. He'll be like, yo, what's up? And then he's like, I'm gonna go try to find the cat. Right. And the thing is just the opposite. My daughter just wants nothing more than to snuggle up with you and to like be held. Like, if she wakes up in the middle of the night, which god damn it, she does too freaking often. She just wants to be snuggled. Like, just lay with me for a couple minutes. Maybe give me a bottle. Maybe give me a hug. Give me a kiss and I'll go back to sleep with you. I just want to snuggle though. Yeah, he just... if he wakes up, he just kind of wants the bottle and we've got a poem. We just kind of give it to him. We're like, all right, I'll see you in the morning. Sure. Which, it's funny. Like, uh... You have to throw it in the screen from time to time. Yeah, pretty much. Like, he wakes up and I'm like, all right, I'll go get the bottle. I like give it to him and he takes it. And then he goes back to sleep and I'm like, well... Be honest, a little bit of bourbon? No. That's for me to go back to sleep. That's right. That's daddy's night time My glass is empty right now. Not that I drink while we do this podcast. But yeah, I mean, it's funny when you think about that. Like, it's such a, like, catch-22, right? Because I'm really happy that we get to sleep and he's self-sufficient in a lot of ways. But I guess I can miss the cuddling a little bit. Then I'm like, I don't know what I'd rather have. Because I kind of like the fact that I can give him a bottle. He goes back to sleep and I can sleep. So, Theo's first year has been great. My kid is awesome. She's amazing. She's kind of the super baby. She, like, she came out, like, warm and snuggly. She didn't have any health problems. We had some hard times just getting used to sleep patterns, as I think most people do. It's legit, right? It is legit. Oh my god. I mean, look, I'll be honest. It wasn't as bad for me because we did the whole breastfeeding thing. And we, of course, I very certainly mean she did the whole breastfeeding thing. I did nothing but, like, wiggle once in a while when my daughter cried at night. Because at the end of the day, it's like, all right, it's been two hours. This kid needs to eat. Down comes my wife with the boobs of wonder. Because we tried to do the, like, we tried to do everything by the book. Like, that's that's the parents we've been. We've been, like, the, okay, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, so I'm going to follow every instruction anybody has ever told me you're supposed to do. And so, I mean, I have so many parenting podcasts. I decided to start one. I know. Like, I didn't do any of that. This is the aggregate of those podcasts. This is me saying, all right, so they said this one. They said this. This is my take of what's best, not it's bullshit. But so, like, because of all of that, I wasn't able to to get up a lot to to be with my daughter, because my wife was doing it, and I would go to work. And so, as we were doing all of this, my daughter is just amazed. Like, she got so snugly and cuddly with with my wife. And I'd say for the first six or seven months, she just wasn't that way with me. That doesn't help the fact that my wife works at a preschool. She's with her all the time. Yeah, she is. So, my wife works at a preschool who found out right around the time we had kids that they could have babies six weeks or older in the school. And subsequently, they kind of let my daughter be the test case. So, since my daughter was six weeks old, she's been in this preschool or daycare, however you want to look at it, with my wife. And so, that was tough the first several months. Which is really funny, because as much as we have, like, untraditional schedules, you have a much more, I think, how do I say this? You have a much more, like, traditional, like, parenting role in that way. Yeah, definitely. Which I'm not. Like, I'm home with my son. Like, my wife works her hours are way longer than mine. Right. Because she's awesome. So, like, I have him twice a week. And so, it's funny that he's much more, kind of, dually attached. He doesn't really favor... Yeah. Like, it depends on the day, right? Depends on the day and the hour. And he doesn't favor either parent. He definitely doesn't have, like, the super attachment to one of us. Sure. I think because he gets more equal time, lack of a better word. Yeah, definitely. And it's gotten better for us. The longer Thea has been in school, and the older she gets, and especially now that, you know, she's off the breast milk, she's off of all... Like, she's... We're at a point now where we're still doing all of the things that we're supposed to, or that we're supposed to think we're supposed to. Like, all of those things, right? Like, you're supposed to give the breastfeed a baby straight from the boob because of attachment or whatever. And we said, okay, well, that's what you're supposed to do. Well, that's what you're supposed to do. We're going to do that. You're supposed to stay at home with your kid for the first x number of weeks. And, okay, well, we're going to stay home with her six weeks because that's what... Do you see that's, like, six months lasting, I read? Yeah. I like something like the French way of doing it or something as opposed to... Like, every country that's not ours. Basically, the non-American way. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, of course. And so it seems like we did the best we could with that one. We tried the hardest we could. You could have, though, if you went to work with your wife. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. And now, like, as I said, she's older, she's off of all those things, and we're slowly starting to realize... Like, we're running out of the known things that are best. Like, there's no more boob milk straight from the boob. It's like, all right, get food in your kid. Wait, what? How do I do that? I'm a fucking feeder. Wait, wait, but where... I need a book. I need a book. I need a... I need a scientific study that formally explains to me the best way of getting spinach in a fucking kid with no molars. It's so weird because we didn't... I mean, maybe it's, like, you're talking about... We didn't do any of that. Like, we just kind of were, like... I guess I relied a lot on, like, my mom. Be like, what'd you do? You had a mom who had, what, four kids? So there's five of us. Yeah, five of you include me, but they were also foster parents for, like, three to five babies. So, I mean, I think at one point my dad said that there was probably upwards of 30 kids that came through our house until they adopted me. Yeah, you just said the word adopted. We'd have to go through the diagram that we did in high school. So I'm adopted by my grandparents. So my mom and my dad are my grandparents. My biological father is their son. I have... Okay, I have five siblings. I actually have a lot of siblings. Yeah, I do a lot of siblings. I have two siblings. That's really not an important number. No, no. I have two siblings that weren't adopted. I have three siblings that are... Four siblings that are siblings based upon adoption. One of them being my dad. Twelve siblings who were found in the street. Thirteen in a basket. Sure, and thirty-seven that were foster babies. There's one that was a cat, but because they were found by your parents, then they became human. Sure. I mean, we had a lot of animals in our house, too, but I think that's a real difference between, like, your figuring out how to raise a kid and mine. I come from a big family. I come from a big family, so a lot of my, like, what do we do, how do we do this, came from, like, me asking my sister-in-law or my mom, my brother-in-law, two kids who are pretty well-adjusted kids right now, to be honest. I mean, they're, like, straight-A students and they're cool and they're happy. So, I didn't, I didn't turn to the books a lot. I also, I know this sounds weird, like, listening to, like, the books in a podcast, as we do a podcast, not, like, it freaks me out. I'm just, like, I don't, like, just because this is how you did it doesn't mean it's how I'm going to do it, and, like, I just, then it makes me feel weird. See, we, I had just the opposite response because, for me, I'm, I'm an only child, so I have my parents who I'm incredibly different than. I, I love them dearly, but I'm just incredibly different than them. I have my grandparents who are just, like, eh, it's going to be fine. Oh my gosh, I'll be honest. They're, like, you're fine. And then we had my wife's family who, it's just an awkward situation there. We love them very much, but I don't think they've ever really been the type of people, like, well, here's what you do. And you don't have nieces or nephews, either, right? Yeah. But your wife isn't, so, I mean, so, for us, it was, like, well, we don't really trust the information we're getting from everywhere else because we feel like it's either outdated or just not the way we want to do things, and so the only place we had to turn was books and podcasts and the doctor's office. And so, when they said, you do this, we said, fucking yeah, we do. And you like that, though. Lift the ice. I, I like feeling like I'm doing things the correct way. Yeah. Like, this is, like, like, that there is, like, that if something fucks up, I'm, like, all right, this wasn't my fault. It's not me. It's, this is the system. But isn't that funny that, I, I don't know how you feel about that, but I feel like that's totally not, the stuff I did read and where it does help, I feel like a lot of it, you kind of, like, bling flip out the window because shit changes. It's, like, I get this great analogy when I was an actor, right, where they're, like, you do all this training, right? You change your voice and you train, like, how to listen to your instincts and you do paper stuff and then, like, just throw it away. Sure. Just throw it away. I feel like that's some of the parenting stuff. Like, here's all the stuff you do. Aside from don't give your kid honey till they're a year old, just throw it away. They'll be fine. Yeah, I mean, that's, I, I will say my daughter is 15, 16 months old now and we are still looking at that crib and going, like, oh, can we give her a blanket? And it's funny because we were, like, so again, he has, like, three blankets and a crib full of stuffed animals. You guys just throw him into, like, a stuffed playpen. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Fucking kid. You guys loved it. He makes pillows out of his blankets. Pull up next to something soft. I don't give a shit. I'm going to bed. Yeah. And he's, like, we did, so we had a, well, he was small enough that when he was little, like, we had some stuffed animals in his crib, but he was so little that you could, like, move him far away that he couldn't, when he couldn't move, he couldn't touch them. And then when he got old enough and he was rolling, he still, it was, that's, we got a point where, like, well, he can have one or two of these. And then he started sleeping with them. So we're, like, okay. And then we put a blanket on him. It's something that we just, we didn't have that. Once he could roll, once I read that it was okay, that we were, like, all right, we'll give him some blankets. So, and then, like, now he has two blankets in there because he likes to sleep on one and cover up with the other one. Sure. But again, I'm sure if you read the parenting blogs, they'd be, like, no, don't do it. And yeah, and that's just, and that's just the way it works, right? Everybody says something different. And like I said, now that's not, not a thing that there's a lot of anymore that now there's, like, all right, there's no definitive, you will kill your kid by doing this. We're kind of figuring it out, going day by day. Like I said, my wife is a preschool teacher, a director of a preschool slash daycare. She had a sibling who's 10 years younger than her. She was an elementary education degree. She's trained to be a teacher. I mean. She's been working in a preschool for 10 plus years at this point. She went, she's a social worker. Like if there's anybody who is prepared to be a parent, it's my wife. And then there's me who was an only child, didn't, like, hated kids everywhere. And like, I'm the person on the subway who sees somebody walk in with a crying baby, like, oh, son of a bitch. Yeah, you are that guy. Yeah, I am like the crabby asshole. Are you still that guy now that you have a kid though? No, I am like the fucking sap now. Like I said, I scope out the people with a stroller or something. I'll sit right across from them. I will stare into that stroller with like, oh, look how cute the baby, and just creep the shit out of the parents. It's terrible. It's crazy how that changes, right? Like you go from like being annoyed by little kids and being like, well, no, I get it. I totally get it. You know, you're doing the best you can do on the subway right now. Oh, yeah. I agree with you. Yeah, and you look over at the parents and they're like, you know, one of two things is happening. Either they give you that look of like, I'm sorry, and I just kind of like, how am I? I got you. It's all good. I got you. Or they look at you with disdain, like, don't fucking look at me. Is this your problem? They're not looking at you that way. It is crazy how like, I've always said, and I'm sure we'll talk about more like, I mean, I'm sappy and emotional anyway, but like me watching movies now, I'll be like, look at the snowman that made me think of my kid. And then I cry. Right. So, yeah, I mean, I guess that's, I don't know what else to say. That's us. That's who we are. And that's where we're at. And that's kind of what we're going to discuss moving forward is figuring out how are we going to do this? How are we going to come up with those answers to the questions we don't have? And that's what we hope you're going to help us. So that brings us to a segment we're going to try and make regular on this show. Most shows like to do an email segment, but we're going to try and do an answer segment. If you have an answer for us, if you have something that you just think is the solution to our problems, for the love of God, please email us at twodumbdads at gmail.com. We're hopefully going to switch this up as we get our website going and everything designed. But for now, we're just going to use a good old fashioned Gmail. That's twodumbdads, t-w-o-dumbdads at gmail.com. And we'll read out some of your answers. We'll discuss them. And heck, maybe as we get a little bit fancier here, we'll even have some people on the show. And of course, if you have a question for us or just some stupid question, like what's better, horses or unicorns? All the fun email stuff. All right. That being said, we don't have anything today. So we're just going to close out with a fun little recommendation section we're going to try and tack on. So Nick, do you have any recommendations for people out there? Or for me? Scott, please tell me you have a recommendation for me. I do, but you're going to get angry if I tell it to you. That sounds right. Watch Rogue One. You haven't seen it yet. I'm working on it. And go see The Last Jedi. The Last Jedi? I'm working on it. I know. That's my recommendation. Go see it. That's your recommendation. Go see the movie. Any reason? Any pitch you want to make that I should shut my ears for? No, I think it's really good. You just want to be part of the public zeitgeist? Yeah. You realize this is going to air after Rogue One. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Or after all the shows. That doesn't mean everyone's seen Rogue One. That's fine. Have you seen Rogue One yet? I haven't. How long ago did it come out? A long time. Last year, right? Is it on Netflix? Yes. And you haven't watched it yet? My point is through them. That's another issue we'll be talking about on Two Dumb Dads is watching movies with a kid. Go watch the movie. We're going to do that one of these days. All right. Well, my recommendation is something much more simple. My recommendation is to tune in to the Somewhere in the Skies podcast coming up soon. Nick and I are actually going to be reviewing The Last Jedi. And so that's another good reason for all of us to go see The Last Jedi. You can find Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague anywhere that you can find your usual podcast. And I think it's a great show about the weird, the paranormal, the aliens, and has great interviews with people who are experts in that field. It's a really fun thing to listen to. So if you have the time, you have the ability, give it a listen. It's really fun. Definitely. All right. I think that's going to do it for us this week. We have a nice short episode, kind of easing us in, trying to figure out how we're doing this. And thank you all for listening. This is going to be a fun journey. Thanks. All right. Be well.