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Talk: 20020209-Larry_Rosenberg-IMSRC-the_bhaddekarrata_sutta_reflections_on_true_solitude_4-8727 Leandra Tejedor.json Start_time: 00:40:10 Display_question: Can you speak more about letting go, aversion, and attachment? Keyword_search: letting go, masochism, suffering, aversion, fire, pain, Buddha, Adam’s hat, reflective insight, clear seeing, attachment Question_content: Questioner: I have question related to what she asked about…it seems to me letting go... Larry: Yeah, that's not real letting go. Questioner: No that’s my question… Larry: Oh okay Questioner: If we sit and meditate (inaudible) Larry: Suffering is suffering. Now, if you then attach to it, by trying to push it away, or some people get delight. There are extreme states of masochism, where people love to suffer. That's not what I'm talking about. It's not complicated. Questioner: That’s my question-in relation to aversion… Larry: No, aversion is different. If you're a masochist, I'm making this up. I don't know where... let's say you're doing it, because the reason you're not stopping, is because it isn't fire to you. Is there some kind of… but when you look at, how would a masochist get free? There's probably a huge price they're paying for being that way, in terms of other aspects of life. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe it's a great way to live. I rather doubt it, because we heard it. Aversion is an attitude towards it. Fire is like a form of pain. And you can learn from your pain or not. Some people… now you can learn from fire. That's an easy one. Many people don't learn how. We're here to learn how to live. Break_line: The Buddha, in my words, is saying human race, you don't know how to live. You need to learn how to live. You really don't. Even those of you are called adults. You don't know what you're doing, and you're bringing up children, without even knowing what you're doing. And then you're… feels in my generation, if you put on an Adam's hat, that meant you were an adult. And women, I go for a man who wears an Adam's hat, people are now more mature. They’re just an immature person wearing an Adam's hat. Break_line: What I'm talking about is that you learn from life, that what is harmful for you, and for others. And there are two ways. One is this immediate, direct experience, of being burned by the fire. And finally, you get it. There's another kind of learning, and it varies with what the activity is. Sometimes through reflective insight. Not direct insight, direct, clear, direct seeing. The fire would be that, through reflective insight. And usually those aren't so tightly held. You put two and two together, and realize by intelligent reflection, using reason and, oh, look, I spend so much time going into the future, and that's because I really don't want to face what's happening to me, right now. And you hear the talks, and then you decide it's so obviously true, and something weakens, and it starts to fall away. And then you're better able to look at the present. So sometimes things happen that simply, but you were talking about something that wasn't…it was a fruit that didn't want to fall off the tree. Aversion is something else. That's an attachment. Again, that's another attachment. Then it's this kind of thing. Pain is just pain. And then it can be followed by whatever, holding on, or pushing away. Do you see… good. End_time: 00:43:24
