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The conversation is about digital addiction and its impact on people's lives. The duo discusses whether digital addiction should be classified similarly to substance abuse disorders and the similarities between the symptoms of addiction to substances and addiction to electronic devices. They also talk about the amount of time spent on cell phones and the negative effects on social interaction and overall productivity. The conversation ends with the duo arguing about their own digital addiction. Hi there! So, for my assignment, I'm going to do a kind of a podcast, I'm going to try to... The theme that I'm going to do is digital addiction. And unfortunately, my duo will be Brenda, my sister. So, Brenda, what is, for you, what is digital addiction? Digital addiction is someone who is hooked at cellphones. So, just that? Like, what kind of thing you have more... Someone who is hooked at Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, games... Yeah, so now we're going to somewhere. So, do you think it can be related to any other addiction? Some psychologists believe that addictions to electronic devices and media should be classified similarly to substance abuse disorders. And do you believe in what the psychologists say? Like, do you think that it can be classified as those? Yes. Why? Like, do you think the consequences are the same, are nearly comparable, if we can say that? Yes, kind of. Like, someone who is addicted to cocaine has some symptoms, and someone who is addicted to electronic devices has some symptoms too. No, so... It looks like. No, you are saying, like, the symptoms are... Similar. They are similar? Yes. Ok, so, taking as an example, people who are addicted to... Drugs. Not to drugs, but let's take, say, cocaine. The example you bring, let's take them. So, people who are addicted to cocaine, when they are, like, impossibility of taking cocaine, of using cocaine... They get mad. Yes, they get mad and aggressive. Do you think... Cell phone is the same thing, yes, I think that. So, if I take your cell phone away, just like that. I will slap you. Yes, that answers my point. But, we are talking too much about you. I don't want to talk about you. I want to, let's talk about, like, Americans, let's say that. Ok. Did you know that Americans check their cell phones an average of 344 times per day? Which is approximately, like, once every 4.4... 5? 5, I'm sorry, my math is bad. 5.5 minutes? I don't think that's a lot, like, I think I spend a lot of time. So, are you crazy? Yes, you spend a lot of time. I don't know. It's an absurd time. It's like, you can't do anything. 5 minutes, like... Yeah, it's a lot of time if you spend 5 minutes looking at my face. No, ew! Yes, so, that's a lot of time. But, like podcast, we are only 3 minutes and 45... That's 30 minutes. No, and 25, 28 now, that's... 30. Yes, 30 minutes, seconds. That's... We have to... We need 10 minutes. Yeah, 10 minutes. We have to cut a lot of errors. We have to think... Error? Yeah, error, bitch. We have to think a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to talk a lot. Yeah. But, like, it's like... We are going to pick, if we had the same data, if we would follow these facts, if I can say that, we would pick our cell phone in about a minute, we would pick our phone. Yeah. But, picking same other data, the average American, because I love Americans, will spend the equivalent of 44 days on their phone in a year. Oh, so, wait. So, that's nearly a month and a half, right? Wow, now that you bring this point, like, we spend a month and a half of 12, 12 months a year. That's not so much. How that isn't much? That's almost 10% of our year, of our life. Bro, how is that not much? No, no. Think with me. Our life is basically the internet. Everything is in the internet. Oh, now we know, like, Google is in the internet. But, Google won't take much time. You just search something, that's done. But, like, Nicki Minaj's life is in the internet. What is Nicki Minaj? It's a singer. Wait. I won't say, just because I'm in assignment. But, bro, that's the point. Instead of you socialize with... Your friends' life are there, too. Yeah, instead of you socialize, speak with them, personal, face to face. No. You are sending messages when they are, like... No. Think with me. Okay. Your friends, like, have a boyfriend. But, you're not, like, close to her. So, you're a sexist talk? Yes. I hate talk. That's a gossip thing. I hate gossip. You hate, but the most person, like, everyone... The majority of person. Yeah, the majority of person. Person doesn't make... No, wait. The majority of people. People, yes. Yeah, I got your point. But, that's not healthy. That's, like, you won't... No. No. Yeah, but think with me. Just like you are saying. Think with me. Okay. If socialize in the internet and face to face, it isn't the same thing. Face to face, you are seeing the person. You are seeing his facial expressions. But, when you go face to face to a person that you are not too close, the person will not tell you everything about your life. And neither the social things. It's so familiar. The social means you are seeing what the person wants you to see. It's not like simulacra and simulacranes. Let me give you an example. Simulations. Yeah, simulation. No, but it does happen. So, my friend was dating someone. And, like, no one in the class was knowing about it. But, she posted on Instagram a video with her kissing her boyfriend. Like, I wouldn't know if it wasn't because of the Instagram. So, you are just saying that me and social media helps to gossip. I got your point. I don't think that's healthy. But, what I'm saying is we are sacrificing all our time of doing chores, doing our homework, our assignments in a good way. Like, not doing this, this. I don't want to say this. It's a bad word. Doing a bad assignment like we are doing. We could develop a good assignment. A basic thing. We are not doing because we have to. We have. We forced it to. No. Yes. Huh? We forced it to. No, we are not forced. We don't do. I'm saying that we are saving our time doing our chores, doing our assignments. Because we forced it to. No. Shut up and do it. No. Nossa senhora. Sister is so... Look. Think with me. Think with me. We are saving our time in chores and in assignments to use more, to play more video games, to use more our cell phone. That isn't healthy. We could be developing ourselves. We could be studying and make such progress in life in general. But we are busy. Busy playing and doing shit in our phones. You gave me this example of a situation like this. Okay. Why you don't do this then? Because it's hard. Because I'm a digital addict. I'm not saying that it's easy. Tomorrow we are going to flip the lever and just be free of cell phone and going to do good things. No. It's good to have our phones, cell phones. If we use our cell phones, we leave so much dopamine to our brain. It's like every time, every second you are here, there, when you are looking at your cell phone, playing games, you are releasing a lot of dopamine. That's why. That's the main thing that causes addiction. A thing that if you use, you release dopamine. And that's like one of the results of digital addiction. It's a kind of anhedonia. That is the... Depression. No. No. It's not depression. No. Anhedonia is like a symptom of depression. It's like when you can't feel pleasure. Depression. It's like you get numb. You got numb. Yeah, you get numb. I'm sorry. You get numb. You just can't feel pleasure. Any kind of... I feel pleasure to make games. With other things. I feel pleasure playing volleyball. Yes. No, but with... Just like every other addiction in the earth. We have levels. You are not in the highest level of digital addiction. But you are a digital addict. I think I kind of get it. Wow. Finally. Fuck you. It isn't a... Oh, sorry about that. It isn't a debate now. It isn't a podcast. Oh, okay. Just to exemplify my point. I got stuck. Just to exemplify my point. We rather play on our cell phones than playing outside and doing exercise. Instead of socialize, socialize with friends, we are playing on our cell phones. Instead of developing interpersonal relationships, what are you doing? Gossiping. Searching and stalking on social media. I think that socialize is not that important. Oh, okay. So, have friends. Because you have online, you have social media. In your job. In your interview job. No, no. Let me talk. Let me talk. When you are on social media like WhatsApp, you are talking to your friend on WhatsApp. You are socializing with him. So, in your interview job, when you are talking to your future boss... Home office. Home office. It is the same thing. Yeah, how do you get your home office? You will send an email to your boss? Yeah. I don't know. No, you have to go there and talk face to face, person to person with him. No, no. That's not necessary. Yeah, you can send an email. No, you can do a video call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like. Ah, yeah. So, you can see that my sister is an example of a digital addict. I'm not that addicted. Yeah, you are. No, I say very well. No, look. One of the symptoms. I like to say very well. One of the symptoms. Shut up. I went out with my friends last night. Yeah, once a year. No, that's a lie. One of the symptoms of digital addiction, according to Safford Hill Academy, is the lack of interest in social interaction. And what did my sister said? No, no, that's a lie. I think socializing with friends isn't that important. So, yeah. No. My sister has a point. No. And one of the other symptoms is unhealthy eating habits. I eat healthy. Shut up. No, she don't. No, I eat. She don't eat vegetables. She's like a kid. No, I study English. Yesterday, she ate like one pound of vegetables. No, no, that's a lie. Stop talking about me. Let's go back to the assignment, please. This is about the assignment. No, it's about me. Let's give other solutions. We added you in my assignment. Add yourself then. I don't have lack of interest in social interaction. You have a strained relationship with me. You don't remember. Nobody is strained. Shut up. I know. What is it? You said it before. Yeah, and you remember? No. But I remember that it's something bad. A bad relationship. Yeah, you remember what I said. I remember that. Okay. And, and, and. Okay, so that's it. That's my assignment. You, you can clearly see that I'm better. No, you're not. And I proved that my sister is digital addict. You're also. Addicted. You don't go out. You stay in me. Vibrant. Yeah, but you are worse than me. No, I'm not. Bye-bye. Fuck you.