Three Women One Journey ep5

Three women on One Journey is a podcast where the hosts discuss various topics. In this episode, they talk about nostalgia and their favorite childhood toys. They mention toys like space hoppers, diablos, and marbles. They also share their personal experiences and memories associated with these toys. One of the hosts talks about her obsession with Mr. Blobby, a character from the 90s. They also discuss their dislikes, including Mr. Bean. Overall, they have a lighthearted and humorous conversation about their favorite childhood toys and the memories they evoke. Hi, I'm Holly. I'm Gillian. And I'm Emma. You're listening to Three Women on One Journey. Our unfiltered, uncut podcast where we try to navigate this journey we call life. Join us every week for conversations, laughter and witty banter. Hello and welcome to week five of our podcast. This week we're going to be chatting about nostalgia. Holly, you've been having a wee look on Pinterest at some ideas. I have. After I was told that we'd be doing 90s, I was buzzing because I am the 90s chick, I would say. I kind of go back there when I want to listen to any sort of playlist and get my groove on. I'd never say get my groove on. Get your groove on, get your groove on. Anyway, so the first thing that comes up is I've got teen toys, childhood toys. So I'm going to go with childhood toys to start with. So I'm looking down through and there's a space hopper that I definitely had to share with my brother. Have you tried a space hopper recently? I want one. I really, really want to buy one just so that I can relive a bit of my youth but then end up in hospital with like a cracked head or something. No, get it. Wait a minute, are you talking about the space hopper, the one that you sit on and you hold on it and you bounce on it? Yeah, the one that you hold the ears. Yeah, because I always get mixed up between that and then see the one that you stand on and it's like Saturn. Yeah, let me see if that's on my list as well. But I always call that a space hopper as well. I just call the two of them a space hopper. Because it looks good. Yeah, I've had a shot of both recently and in the middle aisle in Lidl, like a few months ago and I nearly killed something there. Bounced right off it and went right into the aisle. So that was an experience. The craziest thing I've been on to a space hopper recently is a pregnancy ball. Yeah, the big gym balls. I nearly fell off that and I thought, no, I don't think it's a space hopper to me anymore. I remember years ago when my oldest had one, so this must have been, I remember about eight years ago and one of my pals was having a party and one of my pals was bouncing on it and it burst and inside was just loads of white powder and it just went absolutely everywhere. Really? Yeah, I don't mean it was, no, I don't mean it was filled with powder. Oh, okay. No, filled with powder. It was just coated, like, the inside was just all this, like, big buffer. Yeah, it was so weird. I was like, what the hell? God, you'd have to stop it and stick in maybe when it's down. Yeah, maybe. I just got this image of, like, a mushroom cloud of white going, poof, all over the house. My pal was just sitting there just covered in white powder the whole week. It was a bit frustrating. But yeah, I've also got, ours is called a wow ball, but it's definitely called a Diablo now. Do you know the one that's run apart? Yeah. Do you remember the thing you used to put round your ankle and then skip over it? Yes. I haven't seen one of them for years. No, I haven't. Do you know what it's called? I know, but when I had one, I used to, like, have bruises all over my legs from doing it. It was, like, macking into your ankle. Yeah, because I was rubbish at it. For me, when I was younger, I was more or less into marbles. I don't even know how you play that. I just remember always having this big, massive marble collection, and you'd go to the front, and you'd go to, like, the stank, and you'd... I don't know how to play it, but that's probably how I got all my marbles taken off me. I was just, like, rolling marbles into the drain. Yeah. But they're back out again. Marbles are back out. I don't know what people are doing right now. I remember I used to collect marbles when I was a kid. I didn't know how to play it, but my mum's still got a vase full of them in her house. Oh, really? From your childhood? Yeah, yeah. She's just got a vase full of marbles in the kitchen, just for no reason. Just because they were mine, and they've just been there for ages. They're still there. It's got, like, a little thing in it that's got, like, a little flower or something on it, so it kind of just looks like a little plastic flower thing, or a wooden flower, sticking out of a vase full of marbles. Isn't there something that's, like, dragon poo or something? They're, like, different colour, round... What? Glass. What's that? Dragon poo. There's a new one on the internet. I'm pretty sure that you would get them. You'd put, like, say, something in, and then put it in a vase, and then put the dragon poo in. You'd be wearing it down. I'm, like, doing this with my hand, and you're like, what the hell is she talking about? It's not actual dragon poo. Oh, clearly. But, yeah. I'm absolutely stumped with that. I have no idea what that is. Is it, like, marble? Is it rocks? Is it putty? Is it gel? Marbles. Marbles, but, like, round ones. No, not round ones. Like, oval-y ones, maybe. Definitely going to have to put it on Instagram, on the story. If anybody's listening that thinks, Holly, what you on about? I will put, this is dragon shit. I think Holly is tripping because I've Googled it. I've Googled it. All that I've got is the poo that belongs to a lizard. Lizard. That's all I've got. I've just got lizard poo all over my face. Yeah, I'm putting that down now. I'll clean that off. Yeah, get rid of that off my history. Holly, what was your favourite growing up? My favourite? Toys. Oh. As a child, not as an adult. Oh. I was, like, saying to Em, before you came on, that my rodent rat, that I don't know if I've ever told you that I had one. Yeah. I've still got one, and he slugged under the bed out the way. And he's gone to hibernate forever. But anyway, my brother had it for his first birthday. Apparently, he didn't take to him. He didn't like it. So when I came along a couple of years later, they brought him out. And I had him right up until I was about 25, 26. And I thought, nah, you have to go away, mate. I didn't want to be alone. So, yeah. And then the other day, I realised that I could do the rodent rat impression. And I thought, oh, no, this is because I spent too long with him growing up. That's great. We need to hear that right now. Yes, we do. I have to come back from the mic a bit. Hey, that's him. It's me, Rowan. And then I come. Oh, wow. There you go. But yeah, that was my favourite. That's so good. I'm tanning. Are you taking them? I think it's your rodents that are actually there. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't filmed all that bit. That's so fun. Let me in. But yeah, that was my favourite toy. Along with my little pony, I had a couple. And trolls. Yeah. What about you, Emma? So, when I was in the 90s, I mean, I was born in 91, so I was quite young. Throughout the whole of... Sorry, guys. All right. But I do remember, like... So, I was thinking about this earlier. So, just thinking about what my twins are obsessive, like kids' characters. And they're all quite cute, aren't they? Mine was Mr. Blobby. I was obsessed with Mr. Blobby. And he is... When I look at pictures of him now, he is the most terrifying creature I've ever seen in my whole life. With those big eyes and that smile. He was, like... He was my whole world. I had, like, bed covers of him, clothes of him, I had teddies of him. Yeah. I loved him so much. I'm trying to hold in my laugh. I'm sorry. You're what? I'm trying to hold in my laugh. You had bed covers of Mr. Blobby. I did, yeah. I'd wake up in the middle of the night being terrified. I'm surprised I didn't. Maybe that's why I have nightmares when I was older. Maybe that's what that was. Just trauma. But, yeah, I was obsessed with him. But then me and my mum showed a video to my nephew, one of my younger nephews, of him. And he was like, I don't like this. And I was like, it's amazing. But actually, the more I look at it, the more he is absolutely terrifying. It was really quite scary. He was, like, my big... He was my whole world. I loved him. I think at the time, probably because, like, the character of him, like, he just bounced about and it was quite, you know, chaotic. Yeah. So that would have been fun as a child to watch. But... Yeah. I don't know about the bed covers. I don't know about the bed covers. Me too. Had I? There would be no landfills somewhere with my bed covers. My porcelain flower ones. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Probably. I don't think I can do an impression of Mr Blobby. He just used to go, Blobby, Blobby, Blobby! That's all he used to do, wasn't it? He couldn't speak. He just said his name. Kind of like a really rubbish Pokemon, wasn't he? Yeah, but he definitely had a number one. He did, obviously. Like a number one hit. Yeah. Yeah, he did. It was at Christmas number one as well, wasn't it? Could have been. Well... So you're to blame for him having a number one. Probably, yeah. It's probably my fault. I had it on cassette, so I remember, like, putting it on that side and then, like, having to put it in on, like, the B side and it was, like, some other random, like, Blobbington stuff. Blobbington? Yeah. Yeah, he was something, wasn't he? I don't think I was allowed to watch him. My mum hated Mr Blobby, so there was a few things, I think, growing up I wasn't allowed to watch. Mr Bean, because my dad absolutely hates him and now I've got, like, an absolute hatred for Mr Bean. Not Rowan Atkinson, just Mr Bean. Yeah. I send you things, don't I, Jill? Yeah. I just can't stand him. He's a good bloke, Mr Bean. He is a good bloke. But I think... I think that you have, like, an obsession with anything. Did I have an obsession? Yeah. That, like, with a toy or, like... Soap. Soap. Soap. Soap. Soap. Like washing soaps. Yeah, so washing soaps. Soaps? Washing soaps. So, like, I had loads of different wee soaps and it was all different kind of, you know, shapes and, like, wee love heart ones and you open them up and there's a wee key inside. Just, like, wee animals and all that. Just all different wee shaped soaps. And I remember one time, this was an absolute uproar, I think I must have been about maybe 10 or 11, maybe, so I had my soap collection all laid out in my bedroom, my chest of drawers, and I had the neighbour down the stairs, she's, like, two years younger than me, so she was up playing and she went away and I was over looking at my soaps and I noticed the key for the inside of the love heart was missing from my soap. And I was like, Mum, she stole the key to the soap. Mum was like, What? Just think this is ridiculous. It's like, why would she do that? Don't be so silly. I was like, Mum, she stole it. She stole it. So it ended up my mum went down the stairs and was like, Look, she stole the key that turned out she did. She stole the wee key soap out of my soap collection. And then I found out later on, because we're still chatting now, and I found out later on, she was like, I was so jealous of your soap collection. It's so strange. It's such a strange thing to have, but it's also strange to be jealous of a soap collection. So was it from the body shop? No. Or just anywhere? I don't even know. I could not even tell you where they were from and just know that I had them. And they were all displayed on the top of my chest of drawers. So yeah, I could not even tell you where they were from. But I remember them vividly, especially the one with the love heart and the key. And Julie stole the key. Yes, Julie, if you're listening. I hope you remember. Called you out. Do you know something, Nostalgia? It's just come to my mind. When it was people's birthdays and you were at school, if they weren't a close friend, like a best friend, and you couldn't afford with your pocket money to get them anything, you would have a look at home and think, I don't like that anymore. Put that in a little bag. And then you'd go to school and you'd be like, happy birthday. And they're like, oh, I love this. And I go, I didn't. That's why you've got it now. And I can remember doing it to a friend and they said, I gave that to you. And I was like, no, you didn't. I think I did. And I was like, oh, well, I hope that you like it. I remember one time we had a birthday party. I think I must have been, again, I think this was maybe nine or ten, when we were back at the same time. And everybody had brought presents. And this one girl, we had this relationship where we'd fight sometimes and we were best pals. And she brought me a Tempe packet of crisps and a chomp and a lollipop. And I was like, what the hell? And I thought that she didn't like me and that's why she gave me a pure shit gift. That's terrible. But as a kid, this is just the kind of thing that you're thinking. And at the time, I was just like, what sort of shit gift is that? And it wasn't until later on, I was sitting thinking back about it. And I was like, and she actually says that, she brought it up a few years ago when we were talking about it. And she's like, we were so poor. She's like, we were like, when we were younger, we were so poor. So I was so embarrassed that my dad didn't have any money to give you or get you a present. And that's why he gave you crisps and a chomp and a lollipop. She was mortified. There was me absolutely raging because I had a birthday party and she brought me Tempe sweeties. But I was thinking back on it and I'm just like, oh my God, twins are bitches. I was pure raging at that. And she brought me sweeties as well. A wee memory popped in there. I was just having a look on my little list that I quickly made. And I remember shag bands. Oh yeah. Shag bands. I used to have them all the time. Let me Google the colours. Yeah, I can't remember the names. Yeah, let's Google it in a minute. Something to clean up. You Google it and I'll explain what it is. It's like these little plastic bracelet things, I guess. And they were just like a plain, really thin bracelet that you would wear. And it was kind of jelly-ish, if that makes sense. And all the different colours mean something. So if you snapped one or somebody snapped yours, I think I'm right, it meant something. That was it, wasn't it? Yeah. I must have either messed this up or it's some English thing. No, I think you were just probably... Too old to write Holly, I get it! You were actually doing it, probably, instead of whatever these mean, pretending that we didn't do it right. So it says, The Shag Band Code. Yellow, hug a boy. Orange, love a boy. Purple, full-on snog. Pink, flash your boobs. Red, lap dance. This is at, like, 14. Blue, oral sex. Black, go all the way. And gold, all of the above. So don't ever break the gold one. So somebody, you're wearing it? So you're wearing this colour? And then somebody snaps the colour that they want you to do? Yeah, so that you could have a wrist full of all of them and then, like, somebody would catch hold of them and try and break it. Yeah. It was bizarre. They were really weird. Really weird. I used to wear them all the time because I was a proper little emo kid. So I always had black ones going all up my arms, black and red usually. And, like, people would say stuff to me all the time, I'd be like, yeah, but I didn't wear them for that. Like, thinking I was all, like, high and mighty because I didn't wear them for that. And then somebody was like, oh, I'm going to snap one. I was like, you don't even think about it. I was fuming about the idea of them doing it. I was like, I'm not having sex with you anyway. It was so bizarre. And you're wearing it to be emo and everybody's just thinking you're a pure slut. Yeah, basically. I had loads. I had a black one. Yeah, I can find a photo of me wearing, like, loads on my arm. I used to have them on both arms all the time. And I'd do, like, funky little designs with them and, like, link them together and it was very weird. Yeah. I do remember. I'd forgotten about them. Yeah. And I've also got down Tamagotchis, which is obviously... I think they've come back around again, haven't they? They have. You can get an app for them on there, I think, as well, on your phone. I would throw my phone as far as I could if I had that app. I would just, like, take the app off, wouldn't I? Yeah, it's silly. I can't go with you now. Yeah, I can remember me and my friend Sophie, who I mentioned last week, that I went to year six camp with, we used to help out in this kind of hippie shop. So the lady was quite mysticky, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Does that make sense? So she had long black hair and me and Sophie just, like, loved to go and help out in this little witchy-ish kind of shop. It was called Visions, I think. When we helped out on this Saturday, this Saturday girl didn't turn up, she said, you can pick anything up to the price of £10. And this Tamagotchi that I picked was, like, £8. I thought, that's a lot of money for something that you could probably buy now for about £2.99. Or maybe not, because it's so nostalgic, it would probably be £55.99. Yeah, probably. But yeah, they're healthy. You would, like, leave it at home for the day while you're at school. And it was like, I need the toilet, I've been to the toilet. And they're, like, it's going to be nearly, like, dying because you didn't let it go to the toilet. Do you know what I mean? They were very dramatic, weren't they? Yeah. I think I just let mine die, because I got bored of it. But you can't do that now. Why? With human things. Oh, no. You have to do them now, don't you? Imagine that, I'm bored of you now, twins. I'm just going to leave you here. Spend time with yourself. Yeah, good luck. At school, they had, like, I don't know if you've done it in sex education or PSE, I think it might have been called. They give you an egg. Well, no, they didn't give you eggs. We had to have our eggs. And you had to look after it for a week to see if you were a nurturing person. But I hard-boiled mine. So it didn't break. I mean, it didn't break. I'm really ready now, I thought. I thought, you're not going to be a fragile little girl. You're going to be our god. Like that. And I think his name was... I know that my brother, when he'd done it, it was his was Egg Sample. And mine was called Sid, because I fancied this lad in my brother's year called Dan. And I thought that Sid would stand for how sexy he is, Dan. That was what, like, fair enough, it was like short for. And their mum had, like, sewn up his day clothes. She made a little duvet for him and finished it with a little vest and a little telly. And then she kept it for when it was my turn. That's so cute. I know, isn't it? Did you have anything like that, Emma? Or did you have a normal school? No, I was quite a normal school. But I feel like if I had done that, I would have probably smashed it against the wall within the first couple of days by accident. Because I'm not the calmest. I'm a little bit chaotic and a bit clumsy. I've never, ever, ever had that in my life. Looking after an egg for a week. No. To see if you can raise it properly. That's a really strange thing to hear. No, we didn't do anything like that. I know there's some places that do it with, like, baby dolls. I know there's some courses and there's some classes. Yeah, I've had that. In my work, was it yesterday, actually? I walked into the office and there was, like, one of the reborn dolls lying there. Did we speak about this the last time? Yeah. That's my fear, reborn dolls. So I walked into the office and there's a reborn doll just lying on the worktop. I was like, what the fuck? Like, why? And it was, like, one of our young people. She's going to have a baby, so they're doing, like, this practice thing with the doll. And I was like, someday I really need to take that out of the office because I cannot. You're going to not want that in your head. But, yeah, no, we never had anything like that. I don't even remember getting sex ed at school. I feel like they just put on this video and locked us in a room. And it was, like, a cartoon. And I remember it being, like, this purple character. I don't remember much else. They just locked us in a room, made us watch this cartoon video for about 30 minutes where everybody was just sniggering and laughing and then, like, that was it. I'm thinking, is it the same one that I watched in year six at primary school? And it goes, and when the man's voice breaks, he goes, hello, like that. I feel like my school was really boring now. Like, I don't remember any of this happening to me. Do we need to take you back to school and, like, have you go through the water we went through? Absolutely not. I don't like school. So, yeah, like, I feel like we did, I don't think we had a sex education lesson, but we had a STI lesson once. That was odd. Because the lady that came in to do it, she'd put, like, three things on the board and she'd say, like, which one is an STI? And there'd be, like, chlamydia, tagliatelle, and then, like, OK. Tavagotchi. Yeah, Tavagotchi. Is it chlamydia, tagliatelle, or Tavagotchi? Which one is an STI? And we'd all be like, well, it's not tagliatelle, is it? Someone has had that for tea last week. What are you talking about? Someone was also, like, comedy last week. Well, yeah, there is that. It was really odd. It was to put in the condom a banana, actually. We did that as well. Maybe it was a sex education lesson then. So, what about when you were at school? Did you have your hair dyed before that you went to secondary school or after? That doesn't make sense. When was the first time that you coloured your hair? That's what I wanted to say. The first time I coloured my hair, in fact, the first thing I ever done to my hair was when I was 12. I absolutely begged my mum. So, this was in 92 then. And I absolutely begged my mum to get a spiral perm. So, for my 12th birthday, me and my cousin Leanne get spiral perms and it was the worst fucking thing ever. See, trying to brush it every morning was just an absolute nightmare because I had to wet it and condition it every morning and try and brush that bitch. I regretted it. And my mum was like, yep, I told you you would regret it, but you had to learn a lesson. So, I was 12, but when I was maybe 13, 14, I started dyeing my hair, just all different colours. I remember I think I was about 14 and I decided it would be pretty cool to dye just my fringe and some side bits blonde. 14? What, the actual full-on fringe? Yeah, full-on blonde fringe and just two wee side bits and the rest was dark. And everybody started to call me Cindy Loper for whatever reason. That's not bad though, is it? There's a picture that I'll send you and it's me, I think, I tried to dye it blonde at another point in the world and it went ginger. And I must have just been caught in the rain. So, it's just like this kind of short ginger haircut and it's just like fucking wild. But, yeah, so I started dyeing my hair when I was 13, 14 and dye it ever since. Every four weeks, because it's great as fuck. So, I remember the first time that I dyed it was the first time I came on my period. I don't know why I say it, but when it's like a naughty word or... I know, why are you whispering? Yeah, when I came on my period, first of all, I was 11. And then I thought, right, I'm a woman now, so I can have my hair dyed. So, there was these toner things you could get in boots, there was a blonde one. I think they were called shaders and toners. They were just little sachets. I had a couple of the red ones. So, that was my first experience of having my hair dyed. And then I kept on doing that until about year nine. So, I was about 13. But my sister was a hairdresser and still is. I wanted my hair cut short and highlights. So, that was the first time I went blonde. And then I hated it, to be unsure. So, then I grew it. And I don't think I had it cut short again until later on in life. But yeah, I was always experimental with my hair at school. I'd have the wackiest hairstyles. I'd come down in the morning, chuck some hair ties at mum, some clips, about 20 clips. I liked that your hair twisted and stuck in. And then tried the diffuser, with disastrous results. Did you have those butterfly clips in the little hair spirals? Yeah, the hair spirals. But you'd put that in if you were going to a school disco, wouldn't you? Yeah. I used to have so many of them. And loads of basket clips. And my hair would just be covered in them. And I'd look mental. Yeah. Yeah, the same. It's so funny looking back there, isn't it? When I look at pictures, I'm like, why am I dressed like that? Or why did I think... Because when I was a teenager, it was early noughties, so that was very questionable as well. I look at pictures, and I'm like, why did I think that looked good? It's like, I've seen things online over the last few weeks, of like, oh, jeans under dresses is coming back. I was like, apparently not. That looks terrible. Do you remember that? And those big disc belts or long skirts or skinny light blue jeans. Have you none? Yeah. I mean, I didn't have any of them, so I was, like I said before, a very emo child. But, yeah, I remember reading about that, and I thought, why? Why is it coming back? Does it need to? I know it's like, not that long ago, like, was that nineties fashion come back? Because, like, she'd come in with something, and I'd be like, oh my God, like, I had that in the nineties, and I was like, what? Like, it's just fashion coming back again? Yeah. I'm such a hoarder. It does, like, go through, like, cycles, doesn't it? Because, flares are coming back as well, aren't they? Flares are like a thing now, and I remember flares, they were like around, in like the nineties, and there was also around before that, in like the seventies, I want to say, or something like that, weren't they? They were like a big thing, and now flares, I mean, I go online, all I want is some skinny jeans, and I go up and find this room flares, and like, when did these come back into fashion? My youngest daughter, she's got a few pairs, she likes them, and I'm sure like, oh, what about these jeans? And she's like, no, they're too tight, and I'm like, what about these? And she's like, no, I like them, and I'm like, sick. Like, you could sweep the room and wear them. But I'm like, do you know what? Here, knock yourself out, get some, and they're actually really nice. But yeah, I had Skechers, Gordon Jacks, and Barcelos, but I had to, I had to save, like, how dare, to be able to have them, and this is, there's no word of a lie, they're, my dad was a tight ass, like, he would, he would say, if I said, dad, I've been to Peacocks, and I got myself a pair of black trousers for school, well, how much did they cost? Uh, eight pounds. What? Like, yeah? Like, eight pounds is cheap. Anyway, so, when it came to having my Skechers, I wanted black, and they were, I want to say, like, 55 quid. My mom said to the guy in the shop, he said, can you put, like, a red mark through them, and put them down to have pride, because my husband was right at the roof. And my dad was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,