barbie_episode

The hosts of the podcast "Coffee Plus Discipline" discuss their opinions on the movie Barbie. They have mixed feelings about it and disagree on its depth and meaning. One host found the movie shallow and inconsistent, while the other felt it was nuanced and impactful. They discuss the portrayal of a world where women are in power and the significance of the color pink. They also debate the director's intentions and the relatability of the main character. Overall, they have differing views on the movie's cultural significance and its ability to empower women. Hello and welcome to our podcast Coffee Plus Discipline. I am your host Sanjana and with me is my friend and co-host Varnika. Hey Varnika, how are you today? Mixed feelings, mixed feelings my friend. Is it because I kind of forced you to watch Barbie and now you are like... Yes! So this episode is going to be about Barbie. The cultural phenomena that is Barbie. And we might disagree on it or agree on it. And this is not a review of the movie. Even though we do have very different opinions about the movie. So, spoiler alert that there are going to be a bunch of spoilers in this episode about the movie. And yeah, if you plan to watch the movie, don't listen to the episode yet. Listen to it later on. Listen to my views please. Actually, if you don't intend to watch it, listen to it because I think the excitement is sort of contagious about this movie. So you might be convinced to watch it. Yes, you might be convinced to watch it. Because Sanjana convinced me to watch it in a theatre which I normally don't do. I would have waited for it to come on Netflix. And I would have fast forwarded through all the music and dance sequences. We didn't go to watch a Bollywood movie. The music and dance sequences were so good, Varnika. They were so well choreographed. It was so aesthetic. The colours were so pretty. They were coming out so well. It was a joy watching it. I thought there was a pink bubble inside of me bursting with happiness watching all of that. I think I went to find some meaning and dance and song sequence didn't have any meaning. But that song, I'm just 10, that was so meaningful. See, okay. Let's cut to the start. So yesterday, I walk into the office and we share the office with this one man. He is part of the Information and Broadcasting Ministry and his work involves a lot of movie stuff. He even went to Cannes. Yeah, he went to Cannes Film Festival. I'm not sure he's reviewing movies but he works a lot with directors and producers and sort of figuring out that landscape in India. My point is, he's watched shit tons of movies. So I walk in and I'm raving about Baabi. Everyone should watch the movie. Oh my god, just watch it. And he goes like, oh, are you talking about the Baabi movie? Everyone is wearing pink and going to watch the movie. And I'm like, yeah, because one of the facets of the movie is that pink is supposed to be an empowering color. There's a dialogue in the movie, pink goes with everything. They're just trying to empower it. Pink is not a stereotypical color of a woman. It is a great color. Empowering thing. And he's like, yeah, yeah, women are wearing pink, but even men are wearing pink and going to watch the movie. And I'm like, is there a rule that men can't wear pink? And that's the whole point, right? Why is the color so stereotyped? It's such a shock to this guy that men are wearing pink and going and watching the movie. First of all, men should watch this movie. In my opinion, they should. And yeah, wear pink. It's a beautiful color. Yeah, but I think men now wear pink. It's not a stereotyped color. But the way the guy said that, I got so triggered. I was like, hello, excuse me. The function of our office is to get us triggered all the time. That is so true, Anika. Just one fact. I mean, I think you mentioned this. Our podcast is basically, what do we call it? No, we call our office, the podcast gold. Because the amount of stories we get out of our office for our podcast is just hilariously preposterous. So yeah, that. What I feel about the movie is that it's a cultural phenomenon, right? Even the fact that everyone is so excited to go watch the movie. I agree with that. I just feel that... What do you feel, Anika? That for how much of a cultural phenomenon it is, I expected to take something back home from it. And I did not. It seemed to be very shallow, very hollow. There did not seem to be any conclusion to it. It did not feel well tied together. There were so many inconsistencies in it that I just couldn't find the meaning. Even with the showing of what patriarchy is and how it makes women feel constantly judged, observed and second fiddle. Even that point I did not feel came across that well. You know, I think for me... And it did not come across that well because it was not nuanced. Everything was on the You know, my views are polar opposite than yours because I felt the movie was very nuanced and the point it was trying to convey, it was very hard hitting. At one point, I think I cried during the movie. I think I laughed once or twice. I was laughing for sure. I was laughing for sure. But see, in the first 20 minutes of the movie, the first thought that came to my head was like, this world where if I wake up in the morning, it's a normal day where I walk into an office where it's all women mostly, like 90% women, let's say. The president, prime minister, the whole cabinet, the parliament is mostly women. It's Sweden. You're born in Sweden. And, you know, exactly. But imagine the whole world like that, right? Not just one small country. The whole world is like that. I'm like, it would have been so amazing. But it's so inconsistent. The whole world can be like that only in Babylon. The real world can never be that because... I don't... That's what I'm saying. It's not about if the world can be like that or cannot be like that. The fact that in the first 20 minutes, I could imagine the world like that. That the movie sort of gave me that idea that how amazing would it be for... See, I'm not some sort of proponent for a matriarchal society or anything of that sort. No, it's not matriarchal. It's just magic. She doesn't even have to cook her food. See, again, not going in the nitty gritties of those things. What I mean is that after watching the 20 minutes, I was like, I felt like I do feel like I'm the main character. I had the main character energy. Like how you would feel if you were not encumbered by men and their expectations. Exactly. Like, I wake up and I go to my office. Everyone's a woman mostly. All of them are supportive. You know, everyone's just like, oh, you are the best. And, you know, you look so pretty. And I'm like, yeah. And the starting part... That can only happen in Babylon, my friend. You know, as soon as anybody, any human, including women, get that level of... You know, women are only sisterhood because they have a common enemy. Patriarchy. As soon as that common enemy goes away, women will turn against each other. Who said? I think so. Because humans are like that. And women are human. Don't you think you're overthinking the movie? That's what I'm saying. It's a very simple view. Think about it. Life is like that. It would be so... It's never going to happen in life. Okay, so then it's a magic land. Yeah, I mean, it's never going to happen that, you know, I'll walk into an office full of women. The parliament is full of women. You know, wherever I walk, it's mostly women. And men are just second fiddles to me. That's never going to happen. And what was the beginning with the little girls smashing their boring baby dolls? I think that was... And then how does it tie in with the ending where Barbie, when she's imagining, she sees a montage of babies... Again, you're overthinking this because... Why did the director, Greta Gerwig, I would like you to answer, why did you put that montage? It was so out of place in that movie. Please, I want to know, does Barbie want to be a mom? I think mine... It's not a bad thing. She can be. I want an answer. I think the montage is to show human emotions, honestly. Then why did it have no men? Why were all the, the entire montage was mothers and babies? Ask Greta Gerwig. I am asking you, Greta Gerwig, I'm asking you on a public platform. I'll tell you, it might be because of this. Greta Gerwig just gave birth last year. Birth to a baby, yeah. Maybe she's full on those emotions. She wants to show that's emotions, man. That's her prerogative. If she can do that, it's her movie. Like, why are we questioning, why didn't she show anything else? Why did she show that only? Because it feels a little bit like she's giving an interpretation on patriarchy and feminism that is not just her own, but she's trying to universalise, globalise that phenomena. Okay, Varnika, neither is it. I'll tell you what I loved about the movie is the fact I could imagine that world. That gave me a lot of happiness. Just imagining it also, I've never imagined a world like that. I didn't think it was possible to imagine a world like that. Like, that thought never came into my head because it's an absolute, unrealistic expectation to have. But even for two minutes, just by watching something, if I could imagine it, it felt great. It's representation. But, somehow, I didn't feel great. So, that's one part. The second part that I'll tell you about... Maybe I was missing all the testosterone. This has to be cut out, please, whoever is editing this. Thomas, cut out the testosterone part, please. So, the second thing that I loved about the movie is its relatability. I think, you know, Barbie is a stereotypical Barbie. It's very evident, she's saying it also, that she's stereotypical. She doesn't have her own identity at that point. She is just a stereotype. And by the end of the movie, she does have an identity. She does have a character arc. And mostly for me, Varnika, like I was saying this earlier, you know, I want to be the main character and I'm the main character of my own life. But, you know, somehow or the other, especially after watching the movie, I realized that, you know, no matter how much I try, I do feel, like you said, encumbered by certain expectations. And if I were the same person I am, but I was a guy, if I just had a bloody dick, you know things would be so much more different for me. Yeah. And that's when I realized that, you know, no matter how assertive I am, no matter how highly I think of myself in that sense, I am a second fiddle somewhere or the other. That's the only part I liked about the film. When the human, America Ferrera's character, rants about this. And she rants that it's always too much and then it's too little. Yeah. Anything women do will be criticized. It's so difficult to be a woman. And don't you think that's the point of the entire movie, that women struggle so much to find their identity. Because we, see, the way that we perceive identity has changed over the centuries, right? And mostly, okay, one more thing I loved about the movie is that, in most movies, most, 99% of the movies, women are shown as second fiddles. In this universe, everything was reversed in that sense. Ken was, you know, trying to go with Barbie. He was the one who was upset when Barbie's not giving him attention. He's the one fighting with other men for, and he's getting jealous. And he's that stereotypical idiot. And women are usually shown as that stereotypical idiot in movies. And in this movie, he was the stereotypical idiot. But he was still the kind of stereotypical idiot who could come back in one day and institute patriarchy in Barbie land. Yes, but that was an analogy to smallpox and Native Americans and Christopher Columbus. And if they hadn't mentioned that analogy, I would say, what is this nonsense? But they mentioned that analogy just to put across the point, that's what they're trying to show. Just like it took Christopher Columbus, one guy, to, you know, annihilate an entire tribe of Native Americans. It takes one man to go and brainwash an entire society. And then it takes everyone to come together, it took all the women to come together and fight for their rights and get that autonomy. Isn't that the point, that we as women need to come together right now and fight for our autonomy. We don't have to attend to a man in our life. We don't have to tie our identity to that man. And you know how stereotypically or so casually they showed that, you know, women were so easily brainwashed and they're so happy doing things for men. Isn't that what happens in real life? That women are so easily brainwashed and we have spoken to those women who feel that they need to fix their man. Or, you know, it's okay to, you know, you make excuses for what you're doing, right? Isn't that what the point of the movie was? And it's just so glaringly obvious. I just felt that when they were sisterhooding, there was just so much sisterhood. When they were brainwashed, they were just so completely brainwashed. There was a nuance. There was them feeling conflicted like you and I do. But that's Barbie land, no? That's not real life. So what should I take out of it? So if I watch it as a toy world where funny things are happening, that's fine. But I cannot take any lessons or understanding or I cannot look at it as a critique of patriarchy. See, I don't think it's supposed to be a movie that's teaching you a lesson. For me, like I said, it doesn't even feel like a reflection of patriarchy or an understanding of Greta Gerwig's sense of patriarchy. I do think it's her sense of, you know, her understanding of it because the way she portrays male gaze, the second Barbie enters real world, the way that they showed male gaze, you know, she's, Barbie's having difficulty understanding what she's feeling and what she's feeling. Yeah, and that's because of the male gaze. That's how I feel every day of my life. That's how I felt every day of my life in college. No, I know. And it took me so long to figure out that the male gaze is what's making me feel so weird about myself. Of course, they showed it within one minute because they can't spend one hour showing that male gaze ki paise problem hoon usko. It can't be that deep also, but they're showing it in a way that, theek hai, this is what happened. And I love that part where Ken goes and, you know, someone asks him what time and he feels so important, right? Doesn't that just go to show how disgruntled Ken was feeling as a second fiddle? So, Ken was not this supportive boyfriend forever cheering Barbie on. He was not that. He was always disgruntled and angry and he just needed an outlet. He was not disgruntled and angry, he was questioning his identity because Ken was made as a doll who was Barbie's boyfriend. His role is to serve Barbie, right? And now the nuance is that because just like how women were taught that they're just raised or they're born to serve men in their life, that's what Ken was taught. But Ken was not really serving Barbie, was he? No, he was taught. He was not even taught that. He was not even taught to serve Barbie or support Barbie. Even in the Barbie world, his entire focus is self-centered. Why is Barbie not looking at me? I am feeling jealous. Me, me, me. Barbie is rejecting me. In the real world also, that only happens, Sanjana. The only thing is, in the real world, men are violent. So, in Barbie land, Barbie is able to reject Ken. Gently. That's the only thing. So, women have made a tiny little bit of effort. In no way is it reversal. I don't think they're showing a reversal. They are showing a reversal when she comes to the real world. And she finds out how jarring it is and how Ken feels completely at ease and Barbie feels so much uneasy. But, Varnika, that's what I am saying. I felt this all my life that, okay, you know, what I drew the parallel was that women are raised to serve men. They're taught. If they serve or not is a separate question. But at least, they have been brainwashed into thinking that your identity should be tied to that of a man. Maybe not in today's society at large but that's the historical context, right? And that's why we get jealous. That's why we get so envious. That's why we want so much attention from our man. But patriarchal designing, men also get jealous and envious when they think of women historically. Wait, let me finish my thought. So, women are doing this, right? That's why, you know, the emotions of anxiety, jealousy, not getting attention because that's all you have in your life, a man. So, you want all of it from the man, right? That's what Ken is in the movie. He's questioning it and the way men handle things is different. But Babi was like, no, you have to find your identity. It's a way of saying to all women that find your identity. You are enough. You are enough. You don't have to be serving someone else all your life. But Ken is not serving Babi in the way that women serve men in the real world. They haven't drawn like a complete A to B parallel. It's just, that's the idea they're trying to show which I understood the idea. I felt that even if that's the idea they're trying to show, they are underplaying it so much that the only disgruntlement that comes out of it is that they were not giving Ken enough space. I know you said that the movie doesn't have to cover everything but it kind of tries to cover everything. It even tries to cover violence against women that, you know, as soon as Babi comes into the real world, a cat pinches her butt. Nowhere in the movie we show Ken or the rest of the Kens, the men, having the same issue in Babi Land. I think that could be Greta Gerwig's interpretation that she doesn't want to show women as violent people. And I think it's her interpretation. I'm not saying that women cannot be violent or are violent or any of those things. I think it's Greta Gerwig's interpretation. And if I were the director, I'm pretty sure I'd do the same thing. I don't want to show women as violent. I feel like the biggest lesson out of this for me is that this idea that patriarchy can largely be counter... The feeling I got was that patriarchy can largely be counteracted by sisterhood. That, you know, you're a great Barbie and you're a great Barbie and everybody's supporting each other. And do you think that is true? No, that's kind of making me feel a sense of pressure now that since a woman has made this movie and it's largely led by women, I have to support it because it's about this cause. Like, if I don't support it, then, you know, I'm... I think... not kin of. You cannot like the movie. You can understand what patriarchy and feminism... what they're trying to talk about. It's okay for you not to like the movie. Maybe it had just too much of an American perspective. And I did not relate to it. I thought Barbie was... You are... You are born in the wrong country. Like, everything. Like, when I'm depressed, I watch BBC's Pride and Prejudice. I eat a tub of ice cream. I love The Godfather. And, you know, I can totally imagine if I'm watching The Guide, like, let me explain the movie to you as if I'm an idiot. And I've read the book. So, like, I usually know more than all the men who think they are experts on The Godfather. And in general, Oh, I love the fact when they're accepting the Nobel Prize. Yes, I deserve it. I did all the work. Like, you know, and I love the fact when Ruth Hander tells Barbie, Are you self-effacing, Barbie? Because, you know, I love the fact in the movie how women are taking credit for whatever they're doing. That's one thing I loved. Because women don't in general. They're like... You're always so thankful to everyone. But don't you think it was all still a bit too simplistic? Your podcast doesn't have more nuance than that. Sorry for appreciating myself. But it happens. Appreciate, that's what Barbie's saying. Appreciate yourself. Go appreciate yourself, Annika. Yes. I don't know. I mean, I related to Barbie in that sense also because you know, not falling prey to, you know, not being sympathetic to like a guy sort of groveling, you know, that I really like you and, you know, I am someone who melts like that and I try to be really nice. But still, the Barbies are very sweet to Ken. You know, they immediately tend to him when he's injured and, you know, they constantly try to tell him it's okay, it's okay, Ken. You'll be fine, you'll be fine in like two minutes and things like that which is what women actually do in the real world also. Constantly pandering to men. Annika, the woman should have been nice if he was injured. That's all. But are men ever nice to women like that? Are they? You're overthinking this movie. Maybe I went in with too many expectations. The real world is shit, man. The real world is shit for women. Barbie line is... I don't think so. And, you know, I also felt that the male characters had more nuance because of Alan and that guy. Dadar Ken? No. Aaron. The Adam from Text Education. That's what I was thinking of him as. The guy who comes in and tells the CEOs that, you know, a Barbie is good. There, we were seeing a sense of power struggle. Not power struggle. We were seeing like the difference in power. It doesn't matter if you're a man only. It also matters like the hierarchy matters. They were dismissing him just as they would dismiss a woman which they do. He really is very callous towards his assistant, America Ferrera. And then with the Alan guy who is not very happy in Barbie line. He's not very happy with Ken. He's not very happy with Barbies. He just wants to escape. There is more emotion and nuance in the male characters than in the female characters who are just so single-toned. Only Beard Barbie was a little bit different. Which reminds me of the joke when Alan says that NSYNC was all Alans. I died laughing at that joke. NSYNC Justin Timberlake was part of NSYNC. That is also something I liked. I liked all the cultural references. I liked breaking the fourth wall and saying that they shouldn't have cast Margot Robbie if they wanted to make this point. I do think women were nuanced. Barbie had a whole angle. She was stereotypical Barbie. At the end of the movie, she was not a stereotypical Barbie. I still feel she was stereotypical Barbie. She found her emotions. She made a decision. She said, I don't want to be an idea. I want to be the one making the idea. She does that. Then what she does after that? What idea is she making? A baby? This is what we disagree on. Why she goes to the Gainac is not because she wants a baby. It's because Barbies don't have genitals. I'm pretty sure she's going and getting genitals for herself. Something like that. But it's not about a baby. I don't think so. Then this movie has to be taken as a mix of social commentary. But largely, it's a toy land. I have to go along with the nuances. It's a toy land. After all, I can just argue how are they breaking the wall between the real world and the Barbie land. You can't take it too seriously. I love that dialogue. At the end of the movie, when the Kemps come to the President, they're like, can you be part of the Supreme Court now? The President says, not so fast. We'll start you somewhere lower. That's the dialogue women get. In that sense, it was such a reversal. See, it was a reversal. In that sense of a reversal, I wish I could see those dialogues. I wish that I was the one in power. I know I'm going to be sounding like this person who wants all the power. But no, I want the same power a white man has. Or an upper caste Indian man has. Because people think that it's an equal society right now. It's not. Definitely, it's not an equal society. My complaint with the movie is, it fails to show how much of an unequal society it is. I don't know for me, I think it just showed enough. It just showed enough to make me think how amazing it would be if it was a society where I had more power than I do have right now. If I wasn't catering, even subconsciously, unconsciously catering to some man. Or, you know, I was just surrounded by a bunch of amazing women who are all supportive. It's very imaginative. It's not going to happen in reality. It's a very imaginative thing. It's the same thing as saying Varnika, for example, when Bridgerton came, and they were reimagining the society with black aristocrats, right? That wasn't reality. But I think how when people commented that it's so amazing being able to watch representation. Just the feeling of that. That's what I felt. The feeling of watching that representation of a woman character not being an idiot in the movie like they are in every other movie. And other than, in movies they are not idiots, it's usually that female-driven movie, you know. Yeah, or then she's like extraordinary and so exceptional that she deserves the movie. Exactly. The stereotypical one never deserves a movie. Exactly. She gets a movie of her own. Isn't that amazing in itself? That's why I think this movie I feel is a cultural phenomenon for that reason. People should be making more movies like that. Why are we so hard on a movie that is just showing stereotypical bhabhi? I understand. Maybe that is my fault that I want to see more nuance, more excellence. I want it to be without any flaws because it's a movie. It's a social commentary on patriarchy. So I think that is my fault. I'm imposing the same level of burden of excellence on a movie just because it's about that topic. Maybe. I did find the movie excellent. Also, one more point I really liked is lately for a couple of years I've been feeling a little jittery using the word patriarchy out in the open because the amount of backlash one gets you know that very well. And the way the movie just uses the word patriarchy so outrightly. I really hope that people are inspired by that and understand that patriarchy is there. You have to talk about it. Also, I didn't understand how Ken took why did he make patriarchy out to be what he made it out to be in Babylon. Especially when in the real world nobody was actually pandering to him just because he was a guy. They were respectful to him but they were not really pandering to him that way. Yeah. He said, Ken, this is too unappendectomy. I like that. It was a very funny take on it. Ken was an idiot. This was a very funny take. Especially, I loved the dialogue. He said, Oh, I thought patriarchy was about horses. Once I found out it was not I was not even interested in that. It was a very funny take on it. And I think, you know Vandanka, I think what I felt the conclusion was that at least for me the word patriarchy is not something taboo. It's not taboo. It's not you talk about it in the open. You have a discourse about it. That movie normalizes the word patriarchy for me at least because I used to feel a little jittery talking about it. Now I feel like, no, this is a real thing. Even though I know it's a real thing, I just felt that people don't react very well to it. So in that way, of course, I think the movie does do a lot of good. And yeah, I mean, like I said to you, I think it's our generation's pride and prejudice. And I know a lot of people won't agree with me and will probably want to slap me for this. No. But it is. You can have your opinion. And of course, if it's comforting to you, then it is your pride and prejudice. Yeah, it is very comforting to me. It is comforting to me. It just makes me overthink things in a way that's not comforting. So maybe it's more political, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me, it was a simple angle that I could relate. And you felt happy and comforted. Yeah. Like I said, I felt like there was a huge pink bubble heart thing in my inside my stomach which burst open with happiness after watching the movie. So that is it's a heart. I mean, you can also agree to that even if you didn't like the movie. It is a commentary. It's a social commentary on our society. Yeah, definitely. And I think everyone should watch it. You can like it, hate it, be neutral towards it. Yeah. I do feel everyone Yes, definitely. It will give rise to a lot of conversation. Yeah. A lot of conversation. And maybe just for that reason, everyone should watch it. Especially men. Because it will help you evaluate your own thoughts about patriarchy and feminism and how men and women are treated. Yeah. Like I told you or should be treated. Like I told you after working out that now if I ever date anyone, that person should have watched Barbie and I need to know their thoughts. I don't know how Noah's the movie is in general just because I found it Noah's doesn't mean it has to be. But I don't know. It felt like it shows in whatever superficial way even that how women feel. Because you are seeing it from Ken's eyes being a second fiddle. So do men realize this is how we feel all the time? I feel that I love the social phenomena part of it. It's whole marketing and the fact that you know women are going in large groups wearing pink. It brings out that sense of sisterhood. So that was that is interesting to see the kinds of emotions and conversations the movie is inspiring. Even though independently I may not have loved the film. But I think you love the film when guys tell you Oh my God! Who watches Barbie? Then you love the film. Then I'll defend it with all my heart and soul. Exactly. Lot of men are saying Oh! We will not watch Barbie. As if you know just because if the name was Kendam they'd all go watch it. Oh! They would love it. Because they think Barbie is some girlish phenomena. We like to watch a film even if it's called God, Father. But men think that's what there was a comment in the movie Oh! I'll explain what God, Father is to you as if you're stupid people who don't understand what a story is. So you know men think that God, Father is a very manly movie because it's about mafia and everything and it's a stereotype. What a manly movie versus a girly movie. I think I would overthink God, Father also. Because you know if we think about it in terms of mafia being a manly thing from my observation things we read in news also not just things we read in books and see in television and cinema in all these kind of manly things you know what is the main weapon like main bargaining chip most of these men have? A woman, Sanjana. That's the value of woman. A woman is not second fiddle. A woman is a property. A woman is a weapon of assault. I think in God, Father there was no woman the weapon of assault. It has its own flaws but trying to remember now. I am just saying you know if we talk about current news there is violence in Manipur between two communities but who is getting caught in the crossfire? Women. Women get caught in the crossfire first. If one community wants to harm another community they rape and kill the women of that other community. That's the historical context wars everything happens even when you talk about wars and myths women are sex slaves they are captivated and everything. That's a separate topic. I feel like the starting point is not that women are second fiddle. The starting point is that women live in constant fear of violence not just male gaze like that fear of strange fear of violence. We may not acknowledge it in our day to day but for some for some community for some people you and I might be property. For sure. But Vanika I think violence is something that is actually outright. That is something that you can make a serious movie about. What a lot of women don't understand is that we are accustomed and attuned to behaving the way we've been taught all our lives. I like this argument more than any other argument yet. It's true. Why should we only raise eyebrows when it's violence? This is a nuance. We don't even question that. We just go along. For example the way Ken is. One day I loved how Babi held her ground. No, I don't like you. Just no. The way that Ken responds to it is different. I'm just talking about from Babi's POV that she stands her ground. The movie would have been a disservice if Babi would have eventually relented. But she didn't. I love that fact. That's what we have to question. Who are we? What are we doing? What do we want in our lives? And also Varnika, imagine if all the Nobel Prize winners were women. It would have been so amazing. They could have been. It's not like women have not done things worth being awarded for. It's just this strange patriarchy which doesn't let women shine. Imagine if it was the reality that all the Nobel Prize winners were women. I mean, imagining that world is, for the lack of better words, giving me an orgasm right now. Not literally, but you get my point. Like a mental orgasm. You want to say something else also, just in case you want that portion cut out? It's giving me a mental orgasm. Amazing. So that is our take on the movie and the cultural phenomena that Babi is. Yes. If it doesn't give you a lot of joy, it will give you a lot to think about. A lot to think about, definitely. And, well, not highly recommend, but go watch it anyway. Highly recommend movie. Go watch it. It's like a cultural phenomenon. It's our generation's culture. So, definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. 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