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The transcription is a conversation about CIA mind control conspiracy theories. The speaker discusses the background of mind control programs, the influence of the Cold War, and the plausibility of external mind control. They also mention the role of technology and social media in perpetuating these theories. The speaker believes there is truth behind the theories and mentions credible accounts of victims coming forward. They discuss the impact on human rights and the importance of being informed rather than ignorant. Overall, the conversation explores the psychological draw towards conspiracy theories and the blurring of fiction and reality in media. I can't do the name! You have to. Okay. Hi. We need to get it done. Hi. No, don't stop it, don't stop it, I'll cut it. Okay. Hi, I have Sarah Holloway here with me. Today we're going to be talking about CIA Mind Control Conspiracy Theories. Sarah, what sparked your interest in this topic? I feel like all of my life, my father was kind of a big nut, and he always talked about it and had movies playing about conspiracies and little videos. He's big on YouTube. He likes to, you know, make us watch his conspiracies with him, and that's what made me a conspiracy theorist. So, from your current knowledge, can you give us some background on the best documented mind control programs and how they fit into CIA conspiracy theories? So, one was Project Blue Book, wherein they took people at the Perry Allen Memorial Institute, and they gave them hella psychedelics. They would electroshock their brains and stuff like that. Okay. Interesting. Thank you. Can you make an educated guess on how much truth there is behind these theories? I think there's a lot of truth behind these theories. There are many videos of victims coming forward, talking about their experiences. Okay. And historically, how did the Cold War and the politics of that time contribute to mind control programs? Well, see, way back then, we were in the Cold War with Russia, and the United States was scared because documents were leaked that said, I think, that said that Russia was experimenting with mind control processes, and the U.S. was like, we need to hop on. We need to carry this to the finish line. So, the CIA began to test on individuals without their consent. Okay. And can you give specific actions or events that fuel these theories? I think a big part of it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. It led a lot of people to fear what could happen during the Cold War, and I think that that contributed heavily to the fear that people felt in terms of mind control. Okay. What were the goals or methods of the CIA programs? The goals were simply to mind control. All right. In this age of technology, is it at all plausible that external mind control exists? Meaning, do you believe our minds can be controlled by faraway technology? I personally don't believe that our minds can be – I mean, I think it's very situational. I believe that, you know, if the government were to take us and implant a chip into our brains, then they can mind control us. But I don't think that that's very plausible. We would remember, you know. And so I think that if there were a way, it would be via microchip. But do I think that's plausible? No. Are there specific technologies or methods that often surface in these theories? Microchip. And you don't believe in that? No, but I've heard of the theory. Why don't you believe in that? I just think it's not plausible. They can't cut us open like that, you know, unless they get the doctors to do it, which is a whole other theory within itself. Isn't it correlated to, like, vaccinations? People think the government is putting things into our bodies. The Republicans, yes. So a lot of conservatives like to think that, you know, when you get the COVID vaccine, the government's tracking you. And here's what I say. I don't care if the government's tracking you. Interesting. I feel like I don't do anything interesting enough to warrant a lot of supervision. I understand that, but do you ever think about it from the side of, like, privacy and our right to privacy? Yes, but I suppose I don't have to worry. I don't do illegal things. Okay. Fair point. What if they were using you to study without your consent? Oh. And that's why they were implementing these chips. Well. So that they could better... That sort of almost correlates with how, you know, advertisement works in TikTok and, like, algorithms of social media, which is kind of interesting. Exactly. I didn't have anywhere to go with that, but, like, I was agreeing. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. Social media and any marketing... In a way, like, when we subscribe to social media, we subscribe to being studied. Exactly. Exactly. And do you think that maybe these, like, theorists saying these vaccinations are putting things into our bodies, do you think that could contribute to the mind control programs? Because if you think about it, what if they're studying ourselves and our actions and the way that we interact with each other and our own thought processes to better target, like, marketing things in order to brainwash us? Those two could absolutely correlate 100 percent, because if you think about it, if the government's watching our every move in mind control and mind control in its own aspect, you know, that would make me subscribe to things that I normally wouldn't subscribe to as an individual with my own free will. But at that point, it's free will, I think. Exactly. Think about it. There's a lot we could discuss. Exactly. But we're speaking in a psychological sense, so to segue back, do you think there's a psychological explanation for the draw toward these conspiracies? You know, I believe that a lot of it's curiosity. A lot of it is sort of the what ifs, you know? And I think that we as individuals like to subscribe to the idea that interesting things are happening around us. And I believe that, but also there is proof on this. So I don't speak strictly from like a psychological standpoint, but I think also in the era of the Cold War, where there was so much fear and distrust happening, not only amongst our nation towards our government, but amongst each other. I think that that period was a very rough time for Americans. I would agree. And then what about skeptics? I think that, you know, skeptics, it's difficult, you know, because we want to trust our government and we want to think that people that are higher up than us have good intentions for us and for, you know, the country citizens. And I think that that's a big reason why there's a lot of skeptics. Are you implying like an ignorance is bliss standpoint? I 100% am. I 100% am. I think that a lot of Americans do choose the ignorance is bliss path. A lot of people do choose not to subscribe to news or current events because they don't want to know what's happening. And that's also another big issue within itself. Interesting. And then going back to like marketing and social media, do you believe pop culture like TV and social media and movies have perpetuated these theories? You know, as I said in the opening, my dad subscribes to a lot of, why don't you subscribe? This is crazy. I feel like I'm in a podcast. We are broke before the wall. As I was saying, yeah, my dad watches a lot of that crap, not crap. But he watches a lot of these videos. So I do think, you know, my dad being a nut like that, he didn't do it himself. Social media and the media period. And do you think like fiction and reality have blurred if you're thinking more in the TV movie sense? Oh, 100%. I think that like, you know, when your grandma's watching TV and she's like, I saw that show where the government was trying to trick your brain. People believe what they see. Exactly. And it makes me think specifically of like Inception. Have you ever seen Inception? I have seen Inception. Where he has to go into this guy's consciousness and flip his mindset in order to help this group of people. And it's like fiction like that where people think, oh, this could be possible from a psychological standpoint. It's just like media twists everything. I agree. That's also another thing to tension off on for one quick moment that I would like to address is why we have such a big partisan divide in the United States. The media. Next topic. Next question. Okay. So straight from fiction, are there any credible accounts from victims of these experiments? Yes. There is actually a documentary that I just recently watched on victims from Project Blue Book at the Perry Allen Memorial coming forward and talking about their experiences there. And I think that that's a video that a lot of people should see because it's really hard for victims to come forward when they're not believed. And that goes in terms of many different things, such as sexual assault or even the Holocaust, because there's people who don't believe in the Holocaust, which is crazy. Abstract bias. Next question. Okay. And then how reliable are these accounts? I think they're very reliable. If an old woman told me some horrible, horrible thing she went through, I wouldn't tell her. Are you lying? That's fair. And how do these accounts contribute to the mind control conspiracies? Well, obviously, they feed them and they back them up, you know. Exactly. And people feed off of what the Internet says is true. Exactly. And if it's someone coming forward, especially an older person, because I mean, in a lot of cases, we tend to believe these people have wisdom, especially when it comes to government, politics. Yes. Historical events. We just kind of think, oh, you've experienced this. I have to believe you. No, exactly. I would never doubt the old woman, you know. But I think that it's a really big thing going back, circling back to when we were talking about ignorance. Ignorance is what plays our society the most. And the choice of not knowing and the choice of ignoring is the biggest damage that we can do. Exactly. I agree. Let's see. And then we touched on rights earlier. How do you think the mind control programs affect principles of human rights? Well, I think in terms of the events that I discussed, they were done with no consent. And that really infringes on everything we believe in terms of human rights. Exactly. The autonomy to your decisions. And our right to privacy. Like we have a right to privacy. And like we were talking with the vaccine. Exactly. Like it's an invasion of privacy. But also, there's an ethical standpoint. Oh, 100%. You know, if you're taking someone who's vulnerable, who's just been committed to, you know, who's been institutionalized, whatever the case is, and they're in a vulnerable mental state, and you start to feed them these psychedelic drugs and break down their mental state even further, just to prove whatever theory. Exactly. And so, so much of conspiracy is tied up with psychology and so much of ethics and controversial ethics is seen in psychology. 100%. And it's just, it's crazy what people believe is right and how morally wrong it can be. Crazy. And then to continue with ethics, what ethical concerns surface when talking about government relation to mind control? I think a lot of it, again, is just, you know, having the right to your autonomy and being able to choose what you want to do with your body and not have someone else make that decision for you. And that also, you know, we can see that in many issues such as, you know, abortion in the United States. I think that there's a very big need in the government's eyes for them to control a lot of aspects of our lives that have nothing to do with them. Exactly. It's crazy how much they get away with, too. Exactly. Especially, like, we could go on that Rosie Wade tangent forever and ever. But it's like, to play the devil's advocate in one sense, do you think that the government uses these forms of control because they fully believe, like, it will create order? Honestly, I think that there are a lot of reasons why the government is, I feel like a big part to play here is really the inability for them to separate church and state at times. I think it's important to recognize that the United States is one of the most diverse countries in the world. And we can't abide by religion to choose our laws and to create laws for us because there's tons of atheists that I know. I'm going to fill a whole gymnasium with them. I would agree. And do you think that these theories have any relevance today? I think 100% they do. Media is still being created about these theories. They play a lot of relevance. People still talk about them. There's tons of people who believe in these, like, conspiracy theories who back them. And I think it's important for that to play a role today because in terms, again, of ignorance, we have to, like, remember what's happened so that it doesn't happen again. Yeah, exactly. And, like, so much controversy. It's just within the government today. And it continues to grow with politics. Because we tend to have a mistrust for our government. And that's always sort of been instilled in a lot of people, to mistrust, especially in the younger generation. And especially for reasons like this. And with all the access we have, again, with the social media and TV perpetuating it, as well as, like, accounts of these people who we assume are wise and have experience. Exactly. And just so much access to the internet and false information that people continue to believe. But also, like, think about it in terms of, like, do you remember during the protest, the BLM protest, when Anonymous was really big? When Anonymous was leaking emails left and right of our politicians? There's a lot of reason for us to mistrust the government. Yeah, and then to be more specific, how have these theories shaped the public's current perception of the government practices? Like I said, I think that there's a lot of people who doubt the government, especially in this day and age. I think there's also a lot of people who would die on the Hill if the government is doing their best to, you know, make our lives as good as they can be in the situations that were presented. But, yeah, a lot of it fuels, you know. I would agree. I would fully agree. And I think a lot of it ties into what we were talking about the other day with extremist politics. Oh, 100%. I think extremist politics are really the downfall of our country. The hate that we have for each other, you know, Abraham Lincoln once said, House divides cannot stand. Indeed, he did. It's summarized, I believe. I don't think that's exactly what he said. That was not verbatim. It was implied. It was implied, 100%. It was the intention, his theme. Yeah, no, yeah. Okay, well, do you have anything else to say on this topic? I think that people should take the time to educate themselves on certain things that could have happened or may have happened in our history. And even if they don't believe in the idea, that's completely fine, as long as they're somewhat educated in it. I think that, you know, it's really important to not be ignorant, especially in cases like these, so the same mistakes don't repeat the future and people aren't hurt. Exactly. There's only so long we can avoid the things that we don't want to hear. Exactly. The truth always comes out. Okay, well, I think that about wraps it up. That does wrap it up. This is Sarah Holloway signing off. Okay.