EP4 -The-ham-and-cheese-Podcast-Road-Trip

The Ham and Cheese podcast hosts discuss the topic of sharing your location with your significant other. They both agree that it is generally not a helpful idea, except in specific circumstances such as feeling unsafe. They believe it can create strife in a relationship and invasion of privacy. They also discuss the Snapchat geolocation feature and have mixed opinions about it. Moving on, they discuss whether dating becomes harder as you age. They agree that the dating pool may feel narrower because people tend to socialize less and only interact with coworkers and close circles. They mention that as people get older, they often want something serious and this can affect the dating experience. Alright, people of America, this is episode 4 of the Ham and Cheese podcast. I am with Javier again today. We are heading back to Houston from Victoria. This is obviously a very raw episode. We are in the car driving, so you'll probably hear the driving noise. But I felt like the timing was right for the episode, so I'm in. Happy one. Yeah, so we've got a couple of topics lined up, but you can go ahead and hit that first one. Alright, so the first one is going to be significant other, Javier, location. Okay, so I guess we'll start here by saying what you think about it in a very simple sense, and then we'll explain why. Okay, you go. For me personally, I don't think it's generally a helpful idea, except in very specific circumstances. For me, it's not helpful. Okay. Just like a very basic opinion. For me, I don't think it's something that's necessary, something that you should have. I don't think it should be a thing. Yeah. Personally, like going both ways, you know? Yeah. I just don't really believe there's a need for that. Yeah, me personally. So I guess on my part, to really reiterate on why I feel that way is I'll go ahead and be the other side of the perspective, and be like, you know, why some people think you should do that with your partner. And really the only instance that I can possibly really justify it is, for say, one of you goes out, right? And, you know, you're out late or you're out somewhere, maybe even if you feel unsafe, and I get the security behind sharing your location with your partner or with somebody else or just friends in general. But that's a little bit apart from, you know, consistently sharing, you know, your location, right? Like that's something that you can do for a couple of hours and then you can turn it off. And I actually like to bring this one up because I've seen other people do it. And at least personally in the relationships that I've seen, it was never a good thing, you know? All it did was create strife in the relationship. For one thing, it's a little bit of an invasion of privacy, in my opinion. Like there's no reason for somebody to know where you're at always, you know? Like I said, apart from the whole, you know, maybe I don't feel secure or safe right now, I'm going to share it with you, fine. But consistently, like I said, it didn't really bring anything good, you know? Like, you know, for example, I mean, you're just somewhere and then, or somebody's expecting you to be somewhere and then you're like, you know, you're far away or something like that, you know? So that's why I think it really didn't bring anything helpful because you should be able to just send somebody a text. Be like, hey, you know, I am at this place or I might not be able to make it or I'm still at work. Something like that, you know, versus checking people's location. And, you know, I like to go into like Snapchat, right? So you know how they have that, you know, geolocation thing? Yeah. Where, you know, you can essentially share where you're at all the time. And it might have been, I thought that was such a, you know, dumbest idea because, yeah, of course you can do it with your friends, but why do you want your friends knowing where you're at all the time, you know? Like that, it just seems like an invasion of privacy to me. Yeah. I don't know what you, how do you feel about that? Yeah, I can kind of see both ways, I mean, but I feel like most people, what I see is kind of what people use it for most of the time is for security. Right. Other than that, I mean, no one's really like, I mean, there's very rare locations where like people will be like, send me your location just to make sure you're safe. You're going on a date with some guy, right? Right, exactly. Like the girlfriend or whatever. Exactly. Like their best friends, like, hey, I don't feel safe. Yeah, they'll do that or like, you know, stuff like that. Like you said, like, oh, you don't really feel safe, you're going to share real quick, you know? I get that, you know? I've never done it personally, obviously. I'm not, I feel like it's mostly for females, but. Right. In relationships, I've never seen like a benefit in it. So I personally have never done it. I've never asked for it. So. I don't know. It seems very, that is just really just that. It's an insecurity that I feel like has to be addressed personally. Sorry about that, you know, like it was an accident. Let's just move to the side. All right. So I just, I feel like it's an insecurity. So a real form of insecurity is what you're saying, right? This is what I feel like, yeah. I don't really see a benefit to it. Because, I mean, like you said, like there's really, it's nothing, it doesn't contribute anything but more insecurity. Like it just meets the insecurity and it kind of makes you like, oh, well, yeah, you're always checking it constantly. Like it doesn't help you in any way. It doesn't help the relationship in any way. You know, and that, you know, other, like to expand on the insecurity, it's, I guess sometimes people have this also the tendency to be like control freaks, right? Like to where they want to control where their partner's at all the time, you know, or even just like a friend, you know? Yeah. So I obviously don't think that's a healthy quality to have. Like, you know, it's the whole gist of sharing your location. Yeah. So what did you, what do you think about the whole Snapchat thing when they did that? So personally, I didn't really care about it. I mean, I thought it was. Did you ever do it? I always have my location services off just because it saves battery. So I never have it on. No, it saves a ton of battery. So I always have it off. But I thought it was, I thought it was cool just because like, I mean, you can turn it off. You can turn it on whenever you want. You decide whether it's on or off. So if you want it on, I mean, I don't know, like some people I know are just kind of lurking. They're like, oh, there's, you know, this person, there's so-and-so like, oh, they're nearby. Maybe they're hanging out together or something like that. Yeah, there's just kind of like a, I don't know. It's playful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's playful. So I saw that side of it. I didn't really mind it. I didn't really see anything really wrong with it. It was just kind of like, oh, I have this many friends in this area. I don't know. You know, like it was just kind of random. So what do you think about like when, you know, when somebody's traveling? It's just like I've had, you know, friends on there too and they show that they're traveling, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. But easily, like I said, it can become weaponizable. Of course. Yeah. But, I mean, I guess that's why you decide whether you want it out there or not. I mean, you can turn it on or off. But, I mean, I personally never used it. So you always had it on the ghost mode. Well, it's not even that. Like, I think I had it on, but like since my location services were off. It wasn't functioning. It's not going to work. Right. Okay. Yeah, I never used that. But, yeah, that was more like a playful side as far as like personally like sharing it. It's just, I don't know, I don't really see a need for that. Right. So, yeah, I don't know if, you know, anybody listening disagrees or agrees, but I feel like that's the general gist of this whole sharing your location thing. Like I said, we don't think it really brings anything positive to the relationship. And if there's something that you need to communicate about your location, communicate it. Yeah. With the exception of, of course, like we mentioned, going out with a girlfriend or, you know, or somewhere that you're unfamiliar with, you want to share your location. Yeah, that's fine. That makes sense. Right. But not something that's consistently, hey, I know where you're at all the time. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. And that was good. Okay. So, is dating harder as you age? That's a good topic. Tell me what you're thinking about. I think so. I mean, I feel like naturally like the pool gets... Smaller. Smaller. Not only that. I don't, I think it's, it's really harder because before, oh, yeah, you met people at school, like you constantly saw different people, whatever. Like it's a lot of people in one area, right? I think what you're referring to is there's a lot of face time. Yeah. But like also a bunch of different faces, you know? Like whenever you get older, like, okay, you graduate, whatever, you get a job. Usually there's jobs. Generally the school, if there's no school and there's just a job, then most people kind of like just see people at work and then they go home. Yeah. And then you go do your grocery, stuff like that, whatever, you know, like normal stuff. So I feel like it's not even that people, like the dating pool gets narrower because I feel like there's a lot of people, you know, after that, that are single and stuff like that. There's plenty of people that are in the same boat as you. Yeah. But I feel like it gets, it feels narrower because you don't really spend time with a lot of people. Like the only people you really see are people at work. What do you mean? Like you mean you're not socializing outside of your circle? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like it's just work and then you go home. I mean, some people have hobbies, like you go do that. But other than that, you don't really meet new people. Yeah, I'm glad you said that. That's kind of what I was going to as well. But no, I definitely agree. Yeah. It absolutely does get smaller, but you know, you have to consider that it is also subjective to the person's standards. Right. And so generally speaking, as you get older, you know, people are looking to settle down. People are looking to have something serious, you know, have something like a lifelong partner. Yeah. And so, you know, there's, I feel like in the social environment where you meet a lot of people that you're not familiar with, it can tend to be younger people, you know. Right. And so, you know, if you're going to go into a, you know, any kind of event or a festival or something like that, you're not going to really encounter people that are per se looking and they're older. Yeah. Right. At least that's in my opinion. But the main factor here is really it's your own factors, right, your own standards. Yeah. You're looking for somebody that, you know, checks your boxes. Right. And so, like I said, I think in the beginning, you know, if you're, I guess I would say comfortably in your 20s all the way up until your late 20s, most people are still, some of them, you know, are still kind of just not sure what they want. Yeah. And just kind of going with the flow type of people. And so sometimes people like that are just kind of wasting time. Right. You know, because they don't know what they want. They don't, you know, what to, what they want to expect in a partner necessarily. Yeah. And so because of that same reason, the standards or the qualifications to be with somebody are generic, you know. And by that I mean somebody that treats me right, you know, somebody that takes me out on dates, somebody that spends time with me, you know. And I feel like it's kind of sad, but it's, you know, like those are basic qualifications that anybody should have to be in a relationship, you know. Usually, at least, you know, if you have a faith-based person, somebody that has a similar or the same faith as me, somebody that treats their mom well, that's what you're still going to sign in an event. But I think another big factor that you have to be considering, and I want to, you know, also get your opinion on this too, is kind of like a little sub-question that as you get older, people have kids, right. And for a lot of people, that's a deal-breaker, you know. And actually, not long ago, I was watching a video on Instagram. There's a guy that, you know, like walks around and, you know, interviews people on the street type of deal. Yeah. And he was talking to this girl. And it was a pretty unfortunate, you know, cliff because basically what happened was he asked her, you know, like, are you single, you know, what's going on, are you doing anything Yeah, you know, I'm single. And then he asked her if she had kids. And she was like, yeah, you know, I do. And then she said, but I want somebody to date me for me. Right. Right. And so that became a really key moment because when you think about it, that's actually not a good thing, you know. Because she's hiding the fact that she has a kid. Yeah. You know. And so, even in like the business perspective, that's called a bait and switch. Yeah. Right. Where you present something that's nice and then you switch it up and you show, like, hey, but there's these strings attached, so there's something. And so, it's setting yourself up for failure. Right. Because the other person doesn't know all of the details. Yeah. And it's a whole other human being, right. Like I said, people, that's not a deal breaker for everyone, but it definitely is for some. Right. Like, you know, and I'll just give you this briefly before I switch it to you, but me, me personally, I do feel like have some, like, if I was dating in the general space of, you know, people in my area or people in my age group, if somebody has kids, I feel like that's a deal breaker for me. Yeah. I just, I don't know, I think the thing about me is that, like, it's always difficult. It's not impossible. But I just don't feel like I would ever really be able to have a good connection with this child that is not mine. Right. And often times, it brings strife. Right. Like, baby daddy's still in the picture or something happened that fell out and then, you know, like, it brings you in the middle of something that's usually not good. Yeah. Right. And so, to some people, that's really messed up. You know, like, oh, you know, like, you're heartless or whatever. Like, no, that's just the standard that I have. Yeah. Right. It may be a little too high for some people because some people have kids, but it's just one that I have and I feel like it's reasonable to expect it because if I, if I personally am not bringing kids into the relationship, I feel like I can expect that from somebody else. Yeah. I know. Go ahead. What are, what is it that you think of? I mean, I feel like, I feel like you're right. Having kids does bring a lot of things. So, like, it slims your chances. Yeah. That's what he asked her. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing it does because, like, a lot of people don't look for a, like, a relationship that's already, like, has started. Like, they look for something new. They look for something. I don't know. Most people, I feel like, they're looking for some, like, something for them to build, not to, like, continue someone else's story. Right. So, like, a lot of people are going to gravitate towards people who don't have kids. I mean, there's a lot of people that I, I, I mean, I've known that, like, are okay with kids, don't mind kids. Like, they would welcome the kids. It's not most. It's not many. But, like, there are some people that, you know, are, like, more than willing to, like, they don't care. Like, that's not really a factor, but I feel like the majority of people that, you know, I've also talked to. But, like, I feel like some of those people would be the ones that already have kids as well. No, but that's one thing. Like, I know people that don't and they just, it's not fun. Yeah. They just didn't. He's only a better man than me, bro. But, like, you know, whatever it is. I mean, there's just, there's, I guess there's people for, like, it just shows that there is still people for everyone, you know? Yeah. There's a person for everybody. And they were young, too. So, it's like, you know, I don't know. Like, it's just, I don't know. How old was the child? They're pretty, they're pretty up there. You know, they weren't toddlers. Maybe five, six years old? Yeah, I think so. Okay. But, I mean, like, he's already pretty much developed through his first year. Yeah. Right. But, I don't know. I feel like that adds, that adds a lot. Because, like, it's, I don't know. Like, how do you even handle, like, you're going into something expected. They've already, like, learned how to take care of a kid. You know, like, I don't know. They've been learning it because they were there since birth. Like, you know, doing all this other stuff. They've gone through the hard part. But, like, now they're accustomed to having a child. You're going into that and you don't know what you're doing. So, if you're, you know, if you don't have any kids, you don't know what you're doing. I mean, like, it can feel like a lot. And I feel like, I don't know. I feel like a lot of people would want to experience that with, I don't know. It feels a little better experiencing it with someone else, like, for the first time. Because, I mean, I don't know. I feel like there would be a lot of pressure there. Like, you're expected to know a lot before you even, I don't know. You get the process going, right? Yeah. And that's good, too, because you struggle together. And that's what you want to do, you know. And so, that person, you know, raised the child on their own. The baby daddy or whoever was not in the picture. Yeah. You know. It creates already a barrier, right? And, like, a hardness of heart. Yeah. I think. And so, it's hard to get through that, you know. You as a guy coming into the relationship. Yeah. You know, and then there's the whole thing, of course. You absolutely love this person. Let's say that, right? Uh-huh. Like, you love this person. And that kind of ties into another question we have later on the topic. But, you know, I think this is something that really applies only in the beginning, of course. And what I mean by that is that you kind of establish that you're not looking for somebody that has kids. You know, in the beginning. So, that way, you know, it doesn't come up later. You're in the relationship. That's what you, of course. It's not fair. It doesn't. That shouldn't happen. I mean. It's not fair to the guy to where, like, she hides it. Yeah. Right. But people do that. Yeah. People definitely do that. Because they acknowledge that it slims their chances. But what I'm saying is that it's just bringing them towards heartbreak. There's also a lot of people that just don't see anything. Like, they're like, oh, well, why wouldn't you want somebody that has kids? You know, like, they just don't see anything wrong with it. Uh-huh. Like, they can't believe it. People are like, well, I mean, I don't want to start anything. They explain their point. And people just don't see why. I wish, you know, like, we had somebody that had that perspective. Because I have encountered people like that. Yeah. I've had this conversation with one of my female co-workers years ago. And I shared with her. I was like, I don't want to be with somebody that has kids. Uh-huh. And then, I mean, it'll be a life, too. You know, some people, like, will end up with what they don't want. But, of course, you know, that's up to me and my standards, too. But she was like, you know, what's wrong with it? I'm like, there's nothing wrong with having a child. But it's just a standard that I have for my relationship. Right. But she just wasn't capturing that. Yeah. So, yeah. Pretty good. All right. So, we're going to move on. Next topic is going to be, has social media made dating better? Oh, boy. Okay. Go ahead. So, social media is, in my opinion, the most facaded thing that people utilize to show how wonderful their relationships are. And in real life, they're the opposite. Yeah. It's such a lie, in my opinion. And so, I really am, and some people say, like, it's cliched. But I really don't believe it's that. It's just the fact that you keep your things close to your chest. Right. Things that you care about. Yeah. And so, that, of course, includes your relationship. Right. So, I'm not one of those guys that loves to be posting all my business. Because that's what it is. It's my business. Yeah. Right. But there are many people that I, what I believe is, they're putting up stuff about their partner all the time. And long paragraphs and all this. And I'm like, dude, tell her that. Yeah. Tell him that. You don't need to be telling us all this information. Right. Right? You know, this is unnecessary. And what I feel like it is, it's just like they're trying to prove to themselves that their relationship is good. Right. And so, that ties into the whole thing. You know, has social media been a relationship? It was a communication form of a relationship. No. Has social media made, I believe it's, no, it's dating better. Dating. Right. So, relationships. And so, what social media does is it makes people very accessible. But does it make them reachable? That's a completely different thing. Yeah. And so, being reachable is something that I believe is only really acquired by FaceTime. And by that, you know, being face-to-face with a person. You know, social media, you know, you text somebody, you receive zero tone. You don't know, you know, how it's being said. And I'm sure, you know, for example, like, say there's, you know, an attractive woman or an attractive man. And they get messages all the time. You know, people that are in the dating space. And what people do is they create a barrier. Right. Like, you know, I have to block off most of these people. Even if some of these people are genuine and they're good people. Yeah. But they just get so many of the same messages. Right. And, of course, it depends on how you talk to somebody. You don't want to, like, essentially cat-call anybody. Right. It's not going to achieve anything there. But at least nothing serious, right? But, you know, I definitely think it's just made a bigger disconnect for most people. Yeah. Because, I mean, I'm sure there are, in my opinion, probably maybe one in ten or one in a hundred people that can find genuine love through social media. But to find something that's going to last you, it has to take, you know, face time. Yeah. And I just feel that, like I said, the whole comparing yourself to other relationships or even comparing what I don't like is kind of the social society molding of what dating should be. And what I mean by that is that people post, oh, oh gee, look what he did for me, look what she did for me. And then people maybe sometimes find the lack of that in their own relationship and they start comparing. Yeah. But even if generally they were already happy, right, but because they saw that post, because they saw that tweet or that thread or whatever, they became unhappy because they started comparing their relationships. So I definitely don't think that social media has made dating any better by any means. It doesn't make people accessible yet, it doesn't make them reachable, not really, you know. Yeah. Get your side on that. So I'll talk about the Instagram thing, like I said. A lot of people post their significant other, like their relationship in all over social media. Yeah. Everyone sees it. But I feel like for a lot of these, it's kind of a requirement now because you'll date people, you'll date girls and they'll be like, oh, you know, they'll be like, yeah, why don't you post me, why don't you do this, why don't you do that. They expect you to post them, they expect you to kind of like, basically kind of show them off, which like, I mean, I get, but what do you think that's for? Like, yeah, it's for like everyone else. I guess for the other females in some cases. Well, sometimes like some things that I've heard is like, oh, well, it's basically like to let them know you're Jacob. From what I hear. Right. Some people did. But like, that'll be the thing that they said. But like, it's also, I mean, it's kind of the fact that it's a requirement now. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that because some people, like you said, like you, like you don't like your business being out there. Me personally, like I've never like just posted, you know, like people on my social media. Yeah. Like, it's just not something that I do. Like, you know, like if you want to post like a story, put them in there, you know, like whatever. Yeah, sure. But it's never been like, oh, look at my girlfriend. Like it's just. Like showing off. Yeah. Right. I feel like, I don't know, some people it's just not something. I just feel like it's cringy. Yeah, well, some people just don't find it, you know, like find it not attractive. It's not something that they like to do, basically. Yeah. Put it in simple terms. But a lot of people have made it like. By people, I think you're mostly referring to women. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah. Most of them expect you to post them or they're like, oh, if he doesn't post you with this song, then like, you know. Or like red flag. Yeah. Like, it's kind of like. I hate that so much. Yeah. And that's kind of the whole thing that I'm talking about, that they try to mold relationships through social media stuff. Yeah. You know. But hopping over to the dating on social media and stuff like that, I don't, I don't know how I feel about that. Because it's like, it works for some people. It doesn't work for others. Yeah. But I feel like it makes it harder to have a connection just because everything's online. I feel like for some people, depending on who you talk to, you can have tone when you're texting. Some people just talk very, you know, like you can hear it. But it takes time. Yeah. It takes time to learn somebody to text. I mean, I've talked to people like right off the bat. Sometimes you just, they, I don't know, like you can hear it. It's kind of weird. But for, there's other people that just text drive, but like in person they're like the happiest, like most energetic person ever, you know. Bad texters. Yeah, like bad, bad, bad texters. That's a pretty big red flag for me. Yeah? Yeah. Honestly, I don't like it either. Because like, I don't know. It just shows me that you're a bad communicator. Yeah. But. Like what am I, what am I going to expect from that? Yeah. But it doesn't mean they're different in person sometimes. So it's like, I don't know, it kind of sucks for them because they're kind of having to like, you know, make their pitch on something that they're not comfortable in. Yeah. So it's in a way, you know, like it's bad for those type of people because they're like great in person, but bad texters. But I feel like that's something, that's the case that you should make that be known. Yeah. Pretty early on. Yeah. You know, like there's no reason to be. Yeah. Try texting the other person. Not for sure. Like, hey, you know, I'm not that good at texting. Which, to be honest with you, I feel like that's a hard excuse. Because, like I said, that's what makes accessibility so easy. Just a little text. And it's more so that you don't want to. Yeah. You don't want to put the energy into texting. And that can root from like a previous, you know, trauma or something like that. But, you know, that's what I feel. I feel like that's a pretty big red line. Right. I don't know. As far as dating online, I feel like it's become more dangerous. Yeah. Because you don't know who's on the other side. Absolutely. I feel like, oh, even, like there's a lot of dating apps that, um. You've been there? No. No. No, personally, I don't, I've never done the dating app thing. But I know that, oh. No, no, no. The Christian date goes like. No, no, no. We did it to see what it was like. Ah, so you did have one. No, we didn't date on it. But, like, we learned through it. We were exposing truth out here in episode four. No. No. But, like, I know that's not like, you know, like, oh, they're supposed to verify you, right? Yeah. That's the idea. To make everyone safe. Yeah. But even through that, like, people have gotten catfished. People have gotten, you see videos all the time. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, like, people get catfished all the time. It's so easy now. Exactly. So, I, it's made it a lot more dangerous because sometimes, some people, like, we talked about, like, all they do is work, go home, groceries, whatever, you know, like, daily activities. Yeah. And then back to work. Like, they kind of have to date online because it's all they really have time for or it's all they, like, you know, like. I mean, at that point, you have to make time. And that's. That's what I'm saying, yeah. That's just a part of being an adult. Yeah. You have to make time to date. You have to make time to socialize with people outside of your little bubble. Right. And that's why people, you know, generally when you hit your 30s, you know, it's very, very hard. Right. Because 20s and 30s, in my opinion, is when you're building yourself, you're discovering who you are. You're discovering what you want to do and what's your purpose on this earth. Right. And so, it means you're a busy human being. Right. Right. The whole idea and why some people take the whole dating thing more serious, of course, and it makes sense when they get older, is because they say, hey, I had a million things to do today, but I separated this 30 minutes, this hour, this two hours for you. Yeah. Right. And so, I definitely was always respected and admired by that, you know. That's a part of being an adult, you know. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. I mean, that's why it's kind of tough for me to decide whether dating has made it a good thing or a bad thing. Like, it's made it more accessible for people. People can't, you know, go out and, like, just experience life and find people like that. Or some people just don't make friends that easy. Like, they have to rely on something like that. Like, it's opening up a new world. That's where your hobbies have to come in. Right. Some people's hobbies are like... You've got to find somebody that likes to do at least something that you enjoy as well that can bring about, you know, better communication. But how do you connect people that, like, do introverted, like, hobbies? They're just introverted personalities. Yeah, like, they don't meet other people because they're, like, solo hobbies. It's harder for them, of course. Right. But it's funny enough, introverted people oftentimes are attracted to extroverted people. Yeah. That's the whole thing that opposites attract. So at some point in time, there was a connection that was made outside of their bubble, right? And generally, what I think what happens is for those people that are more introverted, they get interacted with by the extrovert. Yeah. And that's how the connection gets made. Oh, okay. I can see it. But, I mean, they would have to be in the wild for them to experience that, you know? I mean, yeah. It all depends. Or, you know, the whole thing of maybe them being, you know, the small percentage of people where a DM works, you know, or a text works. Right. But, yeah. That's what I think it is. Yeah. I mean, bottom line, in my opinion, it's kind of tough to decide whether it's made it better. Okay. But if you had to pick, you know, if the needle had to go one way or the other, what would you lean towards? I'll say, because I can't say better, but I don't want to say it's a bad thing because it's open up, like, opportunities for other people. Yeah. It's tough. I'll just say it's another tool. It's just another tool. Like, I can't say it's better because it's flawed in many ways, but, like, it has its benefits. Yeah. I mean, it's just another tool, in my opinion, that would use correctly. Yeah. So, I guess. Yeah. Um, yeah. Is there such a thing as unconditional love among people? Woo! Agape. That is a wonderful topic. Go ahead. Give me your thoughts first on this. I'll tell you mine. I mean, I feel like there is. Um, not a lot of people, I feel like, um, but I feel like you can't find those connections where... It's tough, though, because, like, you have to have... I feel like it's mainly seen in, like, long-lasting, like, relationships. It's not gonna be some, like, three-month, like, relationship that you just met the guy. Sure. I feel like that... It usually doesn't happen in stuff like that. But, like, if you've known them for, like, a couple years, you talk to them, oh, you start dating, like, it's... I can see... I can see how someone would be like, well, you know, like, no matter what, like, yeah, I do. So, like... I'll be with you forever and ever and ever. Yeah, you know, like... BFFF. There's some people that, like, you know... There's some people that, like, I don't know. Things will happen, and they'll work through. Yeah. Sure. But... So, I think it does exist among people, but I don't feel like it's everywhere, you know? I don't feel like it's in most places. It's not something very common, either. Uh-huh. But I know it... I feel like it does exist. So, I mean, I'm gonna get a little bit, you know, deeper into this topic, because I think it's very important, but from the way I look at it, it is, you know, yes, it's a little bit through the spiritual lens, but as human beings, imperfect human beings, I do not believe there's such thing as unconditional love, because we are incapable of it, you know? And what that means is that unconditional is just something that is so grand that you can't just describe it by, oh, we can get through a couple of things, you know, we'll work through it. That's, you know, unconditional is more than that, you know? Unconditional is perfect. And we're not perfect. We're not perfect human beings. We try to replicate perfection as much, at least in the Christian faith, where, you know, we received unconditional love from a perfect human being, somebody that was capable of giving unconditionality, right? Somebody that was capable of being spit on, you know, stabbed, backstabbed, you know, rejected, all that, and that's really unconditional. And so if, in my opinion, you were to put any human being in that same situation, I don't think they're capable, because we're not perfect human beings. We're not perfect beings, right? And so, of course, I like what you said, that, you know, people can work through things, and that's what you want, right? You want to have somebody that's willing to work through the thick and thin, right? Somebody that's going to stick it through with you. But when it comes to that, and it can't be said slightly, you know, because, like I said, it's such a powerful thing, and what I think it means for humans, for regular people, imperfect beings, is that I will love you with very few conditions, you know? And so let me put that into, you know, a more specific instance, into perspective, right? Some people will love, and will go through thick and thin, until they get cheated on. Right? And so, that's a very, it's, I want to say, not so simple, but it's an easily, an easy condition that I can say proves that a lot of people don't actually love unconditionally, because that's, that's the gist of it, you know? To say that, hey, I'm going to stick with you, even if, and I don't just mean, I'll put it into, you know, more grave instances. They've cheated on you multiple times. They've consistently, consistently cheated on you, right? And so to say, OMG, I still love you, and love you so much, and we're going to go through this, I just realistically think, and the human, you know, power, and the human willpower in me, I don't believe that that's possible. Yes, people have worked through it, but I'm giving, you know, grave instances of like, this is a consistent, I have cheated you, I have proved to you that I do not, you know, have a, really a love for you. And I feel like eventually, that does break somebody, and they'll choose to go with somebody that values them, right? Because why are you going to stay with somebody that has consistently shown that they're unfaithful to you, right? And then, you know, there's many, many different examples, and I like this too. I will love you so much until you're poor, right? I will love you so much until you get, you know, sick, and then I have to, you have to depend on me, right? Like, you can't do anything without me. And so that's a, that's a, I'm telling you, I'm giving you grave instances, but those are things I believe that prove that until you go through it, you know, of course it's very difficult, but, you know, and especially in this modern day and age, right? Could you be, realistically, it's easy to say it, right? But be with somebody that, you know, depends on you entirely. Like, they can't even use the, you know, it's personal, but they can't even use the restroom on their own, right? And so that's really what I'm tugging at, as a whole. You know, people, when they get married, yeah, I'm sick and thin, you know, poor or rich. They say that, right? But until you go through it, and, you know, just the fact that, you know, money has been, is 80%, accounts for 80% of divorces nowadays, just shows you, you know, that, you know, unconditionality is not really something that I believe that we can truly, truly replicate. And what I mean is really look deeper, right? Look deeper than, oh yes, I'm going to love you even if you're rich or you're poor or you're, you know, if you're in sickness and in health. Really, really. Because you don't know the condition until you go through it. Yeah. And so, that's what I'm, like the, statistically even, just the fact that one thing, money, right? One thing can break most people, is what I'm saying, is that we don't truly have that as human beings. And, you know, at least like a, you know, backtracking into, you know, if you share a Christian faith, the whole idea is, and I've heard this before in a sermon or two before, is that we try to replicate it as best as we can. And we will never achieve it because we are imperfect. Right. Right. And so, that's the stance that I have on it. And of course, you know, if you're looking for a relationship, you're in a relationship, the idea is to try your best to replicate, you know, at least in the literature faith, the love that Jesus had. Right. The love that had you. And of course, the ultimate sacrifice, right? Would you die for this person? Yeah. Would you die for this person when they cheated on you? Would you die for this person when, you know, they tossed you to the side, you know, they didn't support you financially, emotionally, physically, spiritually, in any sense, right? Because that's what it was, you know. He died for people that hated him. Right. And I just, you know, and I can say that pretty confidently that that's impossible for imperfect human beings. So, that's what my stance is on it. Like I said, I got a little bit deeper into it, but I guess to not try to sound like a downer, but on the bright side is that you can find somebody that will love you with very few conditions, you know. And there are many things that you will be able to work through, but like I said, if you try to replicate as best as you can a perfect love, you will make it. And then renewing your mind every single day and then, you know, getting with your partner, having open, healthy communication, it helps. Right. So, those are parts of, you know, trying to replicate good communication or adopting, right? Right. Yeah, that's my stance on that, you know. I don't know if you wanted to reiterate it a little more, but if I may. No. Oh, I don't know. I still keep believing that there is. I mean, I feel like, I feel like it's not that far-fetched because if we're supposed to love, if we're supposed to like, you know, be made in this image, if we're supposed to, I feel like if you know him and you know love and if you know love, then you can love unconditionally because like, I mean, I feel like if you truly know, like, that's something that you can acquire for like, it's something that you can find or like get to know and like, I don't know, have for somebody. I think it's possible. Uh-huh. I mean, just look at mothers. Like, I feel like there's near, if not, if being unconditional love for their child, you know, like it's a strong, like, love. Like, you can. It's, you know, like it's hard to explain that love, like, you know. I mean, a dad with his daughter, like, you know, like he would do anything, absolutely anything for like, you know, for themselves. Like, I feel like, I feel like there is, you know, if a replica or unconditional love, like, whatever it is, like, I feel like there can be, if not very near, like, unconditional love. And that's exactly what I'm getting at, is that we get as close as possible to a good reflection, but that we're never spot on to perfect because we're not perfect ourselves. Right. Yeah. Well, that's good. That's good. I like that. So, the next one. So, next one, we got, if you're wealthy, and this would be a, like a, would you rather. Okay, yeah. So, would you rather, or if you're wealthy, do you buy your kids, oh, no, not. What? It's just a question. If you're wealthy, do you buy your kids a car or a house? How do you feel about that? It ties into their, I believe their education, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we'll rotate, I'll give you my base one first, then. And so, I think, there's a lot of factors, but I think the main one is how wealthy are you. You know, are you just, like, a low-end, you know, like, entry-level millionaire? Are you, you know, a deca-millionaire? You know, it depends. Yeah. But I just, to make it simple, let's say your net worth is five million. Right. For me, personally, absolutely, you know, like, if I have, you know, kids someday, I would absolutely, you know, pay for their education. Yeah. Um, and so this, we're going to get a little bit deeper into it, but I can definitely see, you know, helping them with, you know, an entry-level car. Yeah. Would I buy my kids a house? I don't think so. And, um, I'll get into the why, but, you know, I'll go ahead and hear your opinion first. Um, education, yeah, I feel like it's a given. Um, just, I don't know. So, that one's a yes for you? Yeah. Right. What about the other one? A car? Yeah. Entry-level, like, you know, nothing too big. Like, I feel like... Nothing too fancy? No, it's just a starting point. Right. I consider it's just a starting point, in my opinion. Um, and a house? A house? I think they should do that themselves. Um... So, go ahead, you know, since you're already, you know, there, go ahead and reiterate on those points that you have. Why do you think they should do it themselves? Well, because, like, a house, I mean, that's part of, I feel like it's part of life. I feel like it's something that will help them learn steps to becoming, like, their own entity, their own, like, their own individual, like, you know, like, kind of, like, doing things on their own. It's kind of like a big first step. Yeah. To, like, just becoming independent, becoming, like, self-reliant. I mean, like, you know, like, just kind of... Like we're saying, we're wealthy in this scenario. Like, you can easily do it. Right. Not blinking an eye, but it's not about that. It's not going to teach them anything. It's not going to help them. I feel like I'm hindering them more than I'm helping them. And I want... Absolutely. It's kind of like giving them a fish without teaching them how to fish. Like, you know, I'd rather teach them how to fish. It's a big fish, too. Yeah. It's a big fish. It's art. Yeah. A whale, even. Yeah, like, it's... It's people's biggest purchase throughout their lifetime. Most of the time. You can think it's what they need, but, like, at least, if you want, you know, like, just let them do it on their own. Yeah. Like, in the worst-case scenario, they fail, and you have to help them out. But, like, let them experience it. Let them try. Let them, like, you know, like... Let them fail. Yeah. Let them fail and let them... I mean, do their best. You're not going to know unless they try. Mm-hmm. Right? So, worst-case scenario, like, you're a villain. Like, you just... Just get them out. If you need to. Like, if they're, like... I don't know. If you need to, and, like, everything went wrong, like... But... I don't know. Or just help them out. Yeah. Like, you really do... You got to that point. You can just show them how to do it. Or, like, what you're saying, I guess, is we're not going to leave them on the street. Yeah. Like, I would... Yeah. Like, you don't have to do that, but... Right. Letting them try isn't going to get them to that point, you know? Uh-huh. So, I feel like the house is too big of a... Too big of an item. Like, too big of a... Like, you'd be missing out on a lot of learning opportunities. Opportunities. Yeah. And, like, character development, too, you know? Like, you build up a lot of stuff in your... Like, you know? Yeah. Build that RP. Yeah. But, um... Car-wise, I feel like entry-level's fine, you know? Like, they'll learn how to, like... Let them mess it up, you know? Let them, like... You know, like... But, I mean, we both agreed on that one, that A, an entry-level car is pretty reasonable. Yeah. Just to get from A to B, like, you know? Yeah. It doesn't have to be anything crazy. Like, you can find a lot of them for cheap. Yeah. So... And then, education, I feel like it's for sure, like... I don't know. Like, at this point, like, they just got out of high school, maybe, you know? Like... You know? Like, they're not going to have a job. They're not going to have anything saved up, like... I feel like they kind of have to do the education thing, you know? Yeah. And, I mean, you would want to, you know? You want them to have an education, so... So... On my side, to give it a chronological order, right? Like you said, they're just out of school. They're, you know, super young. Yeah. Maybe, you know, want to go to college. And I'll kind of expand, you know, the situation a little bit more. But... Because not everybody is meant to go to college. You know? Not everybody's meant to go to school. And you have to account for that, you know? And so, in my opinion, you know, God willing, of course, I will be a wealthy man someday. And if I have children, and they're already... They're just graduating seniors from high school. Their next step, of course, what I would say... Hey, I am paying for your state college, your four years. And I'm only going to do that, get you an entry-level car, get you where you need to go. Because, yes, you are an adult at this point. You're a very young adult. But something to get you from A to B. So I will help you with that. I will help you with your education. And that's, you know, to help them avoid many negative debts off the bat. Because that's what I believe ruins the most of the young general of America. The young people of America. Is they go into, you know, student loans. And they start at a very young age. You know, in their early, late teens. You know, early 20s. And then they end up fixing that mess up later in their 20s, 30s, 40s. You know, even the rest of their lives. So the reason I feel very strongly about that is because I'm giving them the tools. Like you said, I am teaching them how to fish. I am helping you, you know, learn how to fish by getting your education. Or, on the other side of that coin, if they can present to me a feasible, good plan for a business idea. I would be more than willing. Of course, you know, I'm a very wealthy man at that point. To help them with an entry-level business. Something that they can start to grow. You know, say, you know, like an education. You know, it could be like $50,000 to $100,000. Depending, of course, on where you go. Yeah. But I feel like that similar number would be good as long as they present something to you. That, hey, I can work this. I want to grow my own business. I want to have my own business. So I would definitely want to be able to help with that. Versus them having to, you know, go and take out a loan. Which, like you said, it is good because it will help them. And some parents will even do that as a loan. But I think that's, I feel a bit sketchy about that. I feel like if it's that kind of money, you should just go ahead and give it to them. Yeah. Because otherwise it's just going to create strife in your relationship, right? Let's just say like you're owing, they owe you a lot of money and they're going out and doing stuff, right? It just creates a tension that you don't need. That's why I think it's something that should be given and not loaned. At least especially between family members, right? But, so, say, let's just say they picked, you know, college education, paid for that whole thing. No debt, right? They graduate. At that point, they're able to have, you know, an income to get themselves a house. And I would be, of course, well, I don't say of course, but me personally, I would be also willing to help them with a down payment, but they have to prove to me that they can actually afford this. Right. Yeah. Because I don't want to, like you said, I don't know how to put it, I don't want to harm them by giving them something that ends up, you know, hurting them later. Yeah, right. And so what we mean by that is that you say you gave them a house, right? Generally, psychologically, people will never appreciate something when it is given to them more than when they built it or made it themselves. Yeah. Right. So, and that's the problem with, for example, inheritance, things like that. People, when they win a lot of money, all of a sudden, you know, they were just given it. And statistically speaking, you know, even like the lottery winners, I think it's 70, 80% lose it all within the first five years. That's super crazy. That's a real statistic, man. You're like, that's insane, right? Only 30% of these people are keeping the money? And what I mean is like losing it all. You're talking about in the millions, right? Yeah. These people were just given the money. They don't know how to manage it. They don't know that it's a discipline to actually work that kind of money. Right. And so they'll just buy and buy and buy and not appreciate the things that they have and not be diligent with their money. And so that's why I think I would never buy my children a home. You know, of course, like I said, I give them the tools, I show them how to fish, but I'm not here handing out whales. Yeah. Right. When they're done with the whale, they're going to be hungry again and they're not going to know how to fish. Right. So, yeah, I think that's just what it comes down to. That, you know, teaching them the tools to become productive members of the society and for them to learn to appreciate that things cost time and effort. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. So now it's going to be a would you rather. Uh-huh. So we have would you rather eradicate poverty or sickness? Okay. I'll just leave with it. I'm going to incorporate some lighter topic. You go first this time because I went first last time. So eradicate poverty or sickness. That's a pretty hard one, I think. It's tough because I feel like if you eradicate poverty, then you also cure some form of sicknesses because, like, a lot of them come from, like, you know, like poor conditions in the household. Sure. Yeah. But sickness, that's a big one. I mean, a lot of deaths just through sickness. Obviously. But what would you do? I'm giving the choice right now. Yeah, you're giving the choice right now? You're running the little game show. And it was, like, sickness. You know what? I cure sickness. Yeah? Yeah, you know, it's crazy because, like, a lot of, like, millionaires, what they try to, you know, they have all the money in the world, but that's why you always feel more fit and stuff like that because, like, it's just your body is not something you can't buy your way to, like, you know, health. Yeah. You can't buy health. So I don't know. I think that's a lot more valuable than just, you know. Do you think you would save more lives by curing sickness and by curing poverty? That's tough. That is a tough one. I know a lot of people die because they don't have anything to eat. It's hunger. It's a hunger thing. I don't know if I would save more lives, but I feel like I would give people. Fortune. Yeah. I would do something that's harder to do in the real world, you know? Yeah. That's why I would pick sickness because I feel like it's just not something that you can just do. You can't just cure sicknesses, but you can go and give money to people, you know, in my opinion. I don't know. So let's go deeper, right? Do you think, is it actually possible to get rid of poverty? Do you agree? In a perfect world. So I guess, what would it take? So on the other side of the coin, on the sickness, what it would take is the medical field having a cure for everything. Yeah. That's what it would take. Yeah. What would it take to eradicate poverty? I feel like it would take for us to be like in a higher level society, like robots, AI, because it's not going to be us, right? Working these lower entry jobs, working jobs in general. It would have to be like us just kind of like being in the creative side of things to where we don't have to do manual labor. Yeah. And then we just get like an income. That's what it would have to be in my opinion. I think that you'd have to eradicate income. Oh. Yep. And so this is of course very political, but in my opinion the only real way to do that is essentially that you instate some form of communism where everything is fair for everybody. Right. Because to solve poverty, no amount of money is going to solve poverty. Okay. Right. Because no amount of money can change behavioral patterns. Right. Okay. And so that ties into what we just talked about. Seventy percent of the people that have won the lottery lose in the first five years. Right. So let's say you gave everybody in the world five million dollars. Seventy percent of the people would still lose in the first five years. Right. So you didn't solve anything. So think about it that way, right? And so that's what I was saying. It would take some kind of, like you said, a higher society, some crazy utopia, something where, in my opinion, income does not exist, money does not even exist. A utopia where everybody works, everybody has a job, everybody has their own duty, some more complicated than others, but everybody gets fed, everybody gets housing, everybody gets some kind of transportation. Right. And so when you think about it, you know, to be, I guess, fair and not create a poverty, you have to be equal with everybody. Everybody has to have access to a home, a car, you know, basic services. Right. Right. And so that's why I brought up, you know, communism. I said, does that work? You know, that's a whole different topic. We can get into that topic with Daniel. I know he'll have some fine words to say about that one. But that's what I think. And I never even answered the question, but in my opinion, if I could eradicate something, it would also be sickness. And so, you know, for anybody listening, really the condition that we're putting on that is that people are still going to die, right? But really what, at least what I mean in that question, is that people are just going to die of old age. Yeah. Right. They're not going to necessarily die of sickness. They're not going to die of, like, cancers or whatever. They're just, as a person reaches, you know, their life expectancy or certain, you know, or even a little bit above that, they just die of old age, you know, depending on how they take care of their bodies. That, of course, is, you know, a really far-fetched utopia. Well, then you wouldn't get someone. Well, we're talking about sickness and sickness are essentially, it sounds weird, but natural deaths. Oh, okay. You know, and so, you know, getting shot, you know, so you can still die, right? And so, we can reference the movie Time. Have you ever watched that movie? The one where they have the numbers on the floor? They have the numbers on the floor. You've never watched that? I've never watched that. I've only seen clips of it. Boy, we're watching that movie ASAP. That is a good, oh, my God. Well, that is a, if anybody listening has not watched that movie, you are missing out, right? So, Time, and I'll just give a very brief description, but not sponsored. Not sponsored. Essentially, people live based off of time, and the currency in this world is also time, right? So, say somebody is given, you know, 100 years, right? They'll live to 100 years, and when that clock runs out, they essentially have like, you know, like a heart attack, or just their heart just stops. Yeah. Right? And they die, right? And I really, really like the concept. It puts a lot of things into perspective. You really have to value your time, because, you know, anything, everything costs its time. Like, if they needed to use a bus, if they needed to, like, go through a checkpoint, even, traveling, it would be like, hey, you know, this is an hour, right? And they would, like, essentially scan their arms, right? So, that's just a crazy concept that I love. I love that movie so much. Right. But, in that same movie, all the characters were still able to get killed, you know? They could, so it's called, you know, getting, like, their clocks cleaned out. Yeah. They could still get shot, and they would still die, of course. It did not make them immortal. Right. But, they would not, of natural cause, not die while they had time on their clock. Yeah. Right. And so, actually, I think that even would include sickness, too. But, you know, generally, like, the idea was that while you had time on your clock, you were still alive. Okay. Right? But, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, if we're curing sickness, people are not getting sick, but that does not mean that they cannot die. Yeah. They can still, you know, get hurt. But, yeah, that's what I would do. I would do sickness. It would just, I think, that's just a utopia at that point. Yeah. Like, a wonder world for people who are at least suffering from that, you know? But, yeah. Pretty good. Pretty good. So, let me give you, we'll give a little bit of a lighter one. We'll still do, how long would you do one, two, three, you can pick one last thing. Okay. A, would you rather, would you rather have both arms or both legs? Both, I guess, both arms or your legs. Uh, I mean, it's not both legs. I'm a little serious, but the latter's tougher. I pick both arms. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, because what am I going to grab with both legs? You can use your nose, but I don't really feel like doing that. Do you see people? Yeah. Do you see people like that? Yeah. It's crazy what they can do. I take both arms and both legs, and both arms take the comfortable. You take both arms and both legs? Yeah. I do that every day. Both arms and both legs. What? No. I've seen, like, one of each, you know, like, one with both arms, one with both legs. I feel like the arms, like, were more comfortable. Uh, yeah, because, I don't know. You got your hands, they're bigger than your torso, if you got your torso cut off, and you don't got legs. Yeah. I mean, it's doable. So, I, I think in my opinion, I would also have to take the arms. Yeah. Because, I think, at least where technology is going, it's a little bit, well, that depends on how much you lost, too, of course. If you have at least, like, nubs, even, then it helps, because you can make something for that, you know. Yeah. But, I think it's a little easier to make legs, like, bionic legs, than it is to make fully functioning arms. Because of the fingers, you know, there's so many things that you can do with them. Yeah. But, I think I would, I would have to pick the arms, too. That's a good thing, isn't it? I feel like, I feel like with legs, they just kind of, all you really have to do is just figure out. You can walk everywhere. Yeah. For abs, though. That's what I'm saying. At that point, you have to learn how to use your feet really well. And, that's what I've seen, you know, I've seen on social media where people that just have legs, like, I've seen women that do, like, they can do their make-up with just their legs. And, that's, I feel like that's why. Yeah. But, that's cool. I think it's cool, because they make do with what they got. Right. But, yeah. That's my, that's my example of what you have. Do you have, do you have one? I don't have one. I don't have one. Yeah. I couldn't think of any. I'm all mean. I'm about struggling out here. Honestly. I always be the dude that's not driving. Right. I'm crazy. Do we have anything else? Yeah. So, I was going to move on to tipping culture. What do you think about it? Cool. What do you feel? I got some words to say about this one. You and everyone, uh. It's the Asian tribe. It's the US of A. So, tipping culture. Oof, man. I think it's so. Okay. So, let's, let's get this clear, right. To tip somebody, it essentially means that you are. Happy, gratified with the service that they provided. Right. Beyond what the normal is, right. Okay. Because they get paid for their, or they should get paid for their normal service. Right. Right. And so, one thing, of course, you have servers, people that take your food, take your order, all that stuff. Yeah. So, of course, if you have good services, yeah, you know, give a good tip. But, what we mean by tipping culture is the whole thing. You know, and the infamous, they call it the infamous iPad flip. You know, where these people can't do anything. You know, they just take an order, or you even put your order in, and then they flip the iPad, and they put a certain tip percentage. Yeah. Right. And so they didn't do anything. They didn't serve you or anything, and they're still wanting you to tip. Yeah. Really, I think the root of the problem is that these employers, these businesses, are not paying their employees enough. Right. And so they push that onto people to tip them so they can compensate for their lack of a salary, their lack of a good, livable base rate. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know what you think, but I think that's the root of the problem, that they're just not getting paid enough. And if we, as a society, continue to tip people a lot, it doesn't fix the problem. It doesn't fix the problem. Right. And these employers are just going to continue to underpay their employees. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I get what you're going with. That's why I don't feel, I feel it's a very deeply rooted problem, and the whole tipping thing is just a band-aid, you know. Like, they, honestly, I just think tipping should really be a thing, and everybody should just get paid a fair wage to where they are livable with what they are making. Yeah. What's your opinion, my boy? So, for tipping culture, my opinion is... You don't have to say it. No, I won't. Um, I believe... That's tough, because, like, I only, quote-unquote, support it because I know how bad they get paid, right? Right. So, if they were getting paid normal, I'd be like, well, no, why do you need a tip for what? Like, you're getting paid already, so there's really no point. The fact that I'm paying them and not the company that hired them is, you know, yeah. It's something that a lot of people outside the U.S., like, find it hard to grasp. Uh-huh. That, you know, that we, um... We kind of accept. Yeah, we kind of accept. We just, like, tipping outside the country is sometimes disrespectful. It's like, you're supposed to just pay for what the service is and what the product is. Yeah. You pay for the service, the product, you pay, and, um, I mean, it should come out of the company. Like... They should be the ones to pay them, correct? Yeah, they're the ones hiring them, not the company. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like tipping culture, like, has gotten even worse during the years because, like, before... Life has, like, gone crazy. Yeah, it really is. Like, it really is because before it was just restaurants, stuff like that, and now I go and buy a freaking granola bar and they expect me to tip. I don't know, like, it just feels that way. You know, like, where you're tipping everywhere you go. Like, you buy a boba drink, like, you're expected to tip, like, what? Yeah. Like, this is a, this is what I, I bought that boba drink. You know, you made it, but, like, that's your job. I want a low-key one, a boba drink, and I don't even, I don't even drink boba. Alright, we're going to go get one just to, uh... You done? Yeah. Perfect. Alright, we're not going to tip. Yeah. I mean... Just kidding. I don't usually tip. Because, like, what, like, that's, that's, your job is to make my drink. Oh. You get paid full. Right? I get paid in full. So, the way it works in a lot of establishments is if their tips don't amount to at least the minimum wage, then employers pay them minimum wage. Even in restaurants? Yes, I believe so. I believe that applies. You know, I'm sure there's some differences in, you know, different businesses, but... Of what I've heard, I don't know if you've worked in, like, have you ever worked where you were tipped? Uh, no, I've been tipped, but not... Okay. So, the way I've seen it and heard it is that, like, they have a base rate of, like, let's just give it a number, like $2. Right. Like $2.14. Yeah. And, but, well... No, no, no, no, no. Nothing, right? Right. So, you're not getting consistent tips. That's nothing. And so, of course, right now, where we are in this day and age, minimum wage is not livable. Yeah. You're not going to do anything with $7.50. What are you going to do with that? Your gas? Yeah. You don't even... So, that's why I think the whole thing is a systemic problem that needs to be resolved. But the whole, you know, 20% iPad flip thing is not going to solve it. No, the thing is, I feel like it's making it worse because it's making me want to tip less and less by the day. Like, I used to tip... Well, no, I still do. I still tip, I feel like, good, but I used to tip better, you know? I used to be, like, go literal above and beyond. Not crazy, but just... Yeah, you never tipped a check. It was more than 18%, you know? But now it's just kind of that, that just basic, I feel like, 18% and that's it for me. Yeah. You might never tip in a jar. But I don't know, like, it just... It doesn't... This iPad thing doesn't make me want to tip. It doesn't make me want to help. Yeah, of course. But it should. It makes it worse. Yeah. Like you said. And that's going to make it worse for us, too. So... Nothing's getting fixed. I mean, I feel like, I feel like they should just pay them what, like, an hourly and a fair... A fair livable wage. A fair livable wage. And, like, that'll solve, like, you know, a lot of... Deficit. Yeah. Like, we shouldn't have... I shouldn't have to pay you for doing the job that you get hired to do. But, you know, it's just greed. Like, I'm already giving you money for you to make the item that I bought. Yeah. And you want me to pay you for making that item? That was me paying you. I paid for the item, you know? Like, you're making money off the item. Well, I mean, the idea, remember, that tipping is for service. Well, no, I know. But, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, your company is making money off of this. And they hired you. But I'm the one paying you. Just so your company can make money. Like, I'm paying you so your company can make money. So, like, that doesn't make sense to me. Like, why should I pay you? Like, I'm not hiring you. You know, I'm not making money off of this. Yeah. You know, so... Oh, yeah. But it just comes down to greed. Yeah. Like, just like what Daniel was saying on the last episode. He was talking about corporate greed. Yeah. That any business, or not any business, but people are, you know, predatory. And they would rather somebody else pay for their employees' wages than them. Yeah. Yeah. And I just feel like that's obviously very much that. But that's where it roots from. Yeah. It's a compound, pretty much. Yeah. That's what I feel about it. Yeah. I don't know. I definitely don't... I don't agree with it. Yeah. To be honest. I think it's... It's a bad system. It's an unhealthy one. Yeah. It's a bad system. I don't feel like it's fair to anyone really. Yeah. The workers or the people. Yeah. I think the only ones that really benefit from it are the business owners. Yeah. They're the only ones that are making or saving money. Yeah. Saving money. So, yeah. Making money without having to, like, pay their workers. And you know what I've seen that's even worse is that sometimes, like, some businesses, they spread out their tips. Oh. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Like, evenly among all the workers. And so, like, somebody could have provided, like, the best service possible. Yeah. And then get a tip. And they have to spread it out evenly among the workers. That's crazy. That's the worst. Don't you think? I do. I do because I feel like that also makes people want to... Well, I don't know if you've ever done it, but... It doesn't motivate people. Yeah. It doesn't motivate people. But whenever, like, you give somebody a tip, you're tipping them. You're tipping their service. You're tipping their quality of service. Exactly. You're tipping them. And if some guy is super bad at his job and doesn't do anything, but he still gets a tip just because they're spreading it out. Not contributing. Yeah. Like, it's just gonna... It's crazy. Like, why would I want to tip that guy? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't even know the guy. Yeah. So, I don't know. I mean, that's very... Like, it happens. It does happen in a lot of establishments. Yeah. I've seen it. I think it just also comes down to the whole thing just being greedy with their money, not wanting to pay their employees a fair wage. Yeah. But, yeah. No, for sure. I think that should change. You got anything else? No, that was really it for our talk today. Yeah. Um... What are you doing? Oh, yeah. It's all in this one. Yeah. That's pretty good. We are actually about 24 minutes away from Houston now. Yeah. Almost there. But, yeah. Thank you guys for listening. This is episode four of me and Aki again. I'm the chief podcast. And we will see you guys... We won't see you guys for a while. You guys will hear us the next time. All right, y'all. Over and out. I did it again.