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This is the benefit of having a partner, because if you're cooking, then the apartment does the entertaining, and vice versa. Well, then they will be your partner for the day. You are my girlfriend for the day. Yes. Otherwise it doesn't... Yeah, otherwise it doesn't work. With a live audience, though, they can laugh and they can clap. Yeah. But nothing else. But nothing else. Nothing else. If you do anything other than laugh... Yeah, if you do anything other than laugh, just cut the episode. Stop the episode. You're not allowed to do anything else. Alright? Yeah. It's... Oof. Oh. Oof. This sounds... This is the next level up from water cooler talk. Dinner party talk. No. No. Oh, great. Yeah. Yeah. In that sense, yeah. Higher stakes, obviously, but... Fuck it. Woo! Woo! Yeah, I did... I forgot my pencil, dude. Give me a second. Listen, I had a... I did have a thought about this last week. Actually, directly after the podcast. I was thinking it's... So what was... The argument was elitism is really nice... Is... Apparently good for survival. That was the argument, right? And... We had to find a way to falsify that. And I was like, okay, well... If you're... Like, I was... Like, something to do with the short term. Like, if it's not beneficial to be elitist right now... Like, if you're surrounded by company... That doesn't... What is it? Respond well to elitism... That could not... That could be kind of bad for... Like, survival. I don't know. Oh, it doesn't have to be... It doesn't have to be, like, literal killing. It's like... You know? Like a... Ostracization or something. As well. But, like... Uh... Like, instead of trying to shut other people out, you shut yourself out. As a result of your elitism. Is a... Is a non-survival, uh... Like, use case. Yeah. Problem. Yeah. Or... Say you're trying to join another tribe. Because you weren't welcome with your previous one. And then you're... You're trying to appeal to them. Right? Do you start off by being elitist? Or do you not? Because if they're also elitist, they might let you in. But, like... That's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You mean, like, they have... I know you... Yeah, I know you won't like this wording. But you mean, like, they're allowed to be elitist? Or because they're elite? Yeah. Hmm. Um... Yeah, this is... It's a good question, because we actually... We're actually talking more about gatekeeping, most of the time. Than elitism. This is what I thought after the last episode. And listening back to it as well. I was like, this is just more gatekeeping. I mean, you... I mean, I... Would you say... I mean, elitism is, like, the wider term, I think. And then within elitism, you can be... To achieve that group, you're gatekeeping. Yeah, it's the action. Yeah. So, it's a little bit more, like... Ambiguous, what we're talking about. Half the time, we're talking about the actual action to keep the... To keep the group elite. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. But the elite... The elite also encompasses the... For example, the king or queens, like... What do you call it? Like, the people who follow them around. Right? Like, their inner group. So, we were more talking elitism from the perspective of that. Like, the in-group and the out-group. Okay. That's a really good point. They were right about one thing, so we can trust them on other things. It's like those streamers who are specialized in one game, or like... Doing one thing, and then they start doing everything else as well. Okay. Okay. It's definitely what's happening. Okay. Alright. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so for... For Bernardo, it's like you have some sort of... Like, sort of... For the audience. You have some sort of phenomenon, I guess. And then you just sort of justify it as, Oh, but it was beneficial for evolutionary survival. And so it evolved that way. So, you just sort of attach that reasoning to why it's a thing. Instead of... Yeah, you just attach that reasoning. Yeah. It was beneficial. Yeah. And then the homework was. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Out of arm's reach. Or it's not necessarily... It's not necessarily the first row that gets access to the person, right? You should have just stood better. Because they just get thrown in. Yeah, you should have stood better. Hmm. Everyone gets one. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, what if the elite managed to manipulate the stone-throwing audience to only be old people with weak arms? Hmm. We can extend it a little bit, right? We can extend it a little bit. Hmm. Hmm. Yes, I was going to say, you're thinking two-dimensional. You need to think 3D. Instead of 180 degrees, it's a solid angle of half a circle. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. What if he's not tired, he's just running around? No, no, no, no, no. Guys, again, you're thinking about this wrong. You're thinking in terms of coliseums and stuff. We need to go after... You know like roller coasters, when they do those half-spherical rotations? You need to construct such a stage. You need to turn to the roller coaster designers to create an execution arena for us. Hmm. Oh, because that's the complaint. Yeah, because that's the complaint. Ah, Jean-Pierre, why did you cancel the 59th minute again? There's nothing left. There's nothing left. Wait, yeah, do they clear the rocks? No, they don't, right? It's just a pile of rocks. You don't even know where the person is. Hmm. You know, this could be... Yeah. Also, this... This could be really profitable, you know? Like, you can combine it with gambling. Like, the person who actually lands the killing blow gets to... Wins a cash prize. Wins a cash prize. This is really normalized talk for something that's as horrible as this. This is really normalized talk for something that's as horrible as stoning me. Oh, shit. Yeah, stoning someone to death. Shit. Where'd you get these numbers from, excuse me? Pfft. I made that shit up. Shit. Shit. Well, apparently he... Apparently he would've lasted a bit longer, Caesar, if... Had he not seen Brutus. And then... You know, and then he gave up and fell over, and then that was it. So if Brutus hadn't been there... Shit, dude. Shit. No liquids. How do they control it? Do they hack down at your knife on the spot? Then it's legal. Oh, isn't that a thing? Wasn't there a story? About death by like a thousand spoons or something? Oh, shit. Oh, yeah! Oh. You're right, you're right. Yeah. The horribly slow murder with the extremely inefficient weapon. Yeah. Ring the bell, dude. 2009. Oh, no. Hmm. Hmm. God forbid you eat without watching something. Bro eating off of the shadows, dancing off of the cave wall. You reckon that was like an early form of entertainment, like TV? Like you have like a cave with a bend in it, so you have people dancing on the other side of the cave, and then in one side you have people eating. And then like the shadows reflecting off of the wall, projecting off of the cave wall, and then you have people dancing on the other side of the cave. And then like the shadows reflecting off of the wall project onto the wall, and it's like, oh my god, how is this happening? Can you cave-modify the name Jump here? Yeah. I mean, actually, you mentioned filling it with hallucinogens, but wasn't the Oracle of Delphi like the basement, like leaky, with hallucinogenic... Sorry, the basement. The basement, the Oracle chamber. Right. Right. Yeah, so a little bit classier than ancient TV, literal Oracle speaks to God. Deadass name, like Alexaceous, alright. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, you wouldn't click away. This is more four months in the making, dude. You know what I mean? 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Okay, yeah, yeah. And then, I probably just, like... I mean, if you said that, I'd probably try to follow up a little bit first. Like, learn a little bit about what went into it, right? Unfurl it a little bit. Because if you just... I mean, obviously, you don't want to say, I don't like this straight up. But if you, like, unfurl the process behind why things became the way they are, maybe you could be, like... At some point, I would try to interject, like, Oh, you know, I don't think I would have done it this way. Or, like, have you, you know... Maybe reconsider this? I don't think everyone would like that, or something. But only once you're, like, a little bit deeper into having understood what they did. Yeah. I don't think it would be very constructive if you just dropped it. You'd probably have to work up towards it. Look, I wouldn't be able to use the words I think are good, alright? I'd probably... If I... Yeah? Oh, well... Okay. Oh, wow, okay. What's one of... If it's direct, the person could end up thinking, Well, you don't know anything about what I just made, right? And you just said you don't like it. So, why would I, you know... Not exp... Yeah, not exp... I mean, if this person came to an expert to ask for advice, then we can clear away the preamble, brother. You came to me, knowing I'm an expert, to ask for advice. This needs to be done better. Yeah. Your voice is annoying. The backing track doesn't fit well. Do it again. You're gonna do it better next time. Yeah, that's really funny. If I was a sound engineer, I'd be like, Dude, this doesn't work, I'm sorry. Just try another thing. Oh, like that, yeah. If I would use, I wouldn't do it this way. What about you, Bernard? Could you tell them I don't like this, at the end of all that building up? No, I can't do them. Yeah. I can't do them. I can do them. You can appreciate their effort, right? Yeah. Shoulders and like, lean back. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like what you're doing, Bernard. Background, I approve. Yeah. I like standing on stage. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've had someone show me their art before, and instead of thinking about where I put my hands, I'm just thinking about questions I can ask them the whole time. I'm just too busy trying to accumulate questions. Or... Yeah. I mean, the first few times should be easy. You've got a cop-out for reading poetry if it's the first few times. How long have you been doing this? No, but that's happened with me with presentations before. And the only noticeable effect I have on me is that instead of being able to ask them three questions, it's lasted a little bit too long now, so I've forgotten one of the questions. Now I can only ask two. When they were talking to me about something. For one-on-one, they're presenting something to me, right? Not a presentation as in they're doing it up on the stage, you know what I mean? Yeah, I had three questions in store. You're taking a little bit too fucking long. I've forgotten my first question now, so I can only ask you two. Ah, but then the question is, where did you put your eyes, is the question I wanted to ask. I would probably... Yeah, so naturally they would drop or something, right? No, not when they're presenting something to you, like music or reading, because then you're focusing on the material, and then... Well, I asked that question because I think your eyes would just drop, and then you... I mean, even if they're looking at you, you can just drop your eyes, because then you're focusing on their material. Like if they're singing and they're staring at you, then I look at the floor, because I'm focusing on their singing. Yeah. Yeah, it's the material that you're being presented. But does that... Okay, even if you met their eyes, does that like... If you're performing and someone met your eyes the whole time, is that... Are you thinking, oh shit, man, that's real polite of you, you know? I'm happy because you're meeting my eyes. I wouldn't think so, dude. If someone was looking at me while I was like reading it for them, or showing some music, I'd be like, why are you staring at me? Are you really focusing that much on what I'm showing you? No, but I have, you know... Are we ignoring it? Because I've been in this situation before. I'm not saying theoretically if they stared at me. I'm saying I've had someone stare at me before, and it's like, okay, I'm not sure you're listening to me anymore. Like, 100%. Okay. It's a girl. Yes, show me, Art. But what do you mean? I just like... I'm just trying to find things I can ask them about, so I can know more about what they've done. Oh, whether you like it or not. Yeah, script, yeah. I think it also has to do with skill, though. We've had this discussion before, by the way. Or something similar to it. And I was like, I'd enjoy it much more if the person who was doing it was more skilled in it. The person showing me art was very... I think the art was very good, so... If it was less good, it probably has less things I could ask them about. But it's like, if the person was good... Okay, so they were showing me their art, and I was like... It was like a full... Because they usually just do individual illustrations, but they showed me a full comic book thing they put together. And I went through it two or three times while they were talking to me. And it was just like, you know, oh, I really like what you did in this panel. Oh, this is great. This is the highest point of the... There wasn't any story or anything, but... It was like, oh, yeah, this really feels like you could build a story off of what's going on here. Oh, this is great. Isn't this like what you did last time on that other thing? Yeah. Did you have any idea? But then... Thank you. If they were less, I guess, skilled in that, it would probably be like, you know... Oh, wow. Yeah, like, what's next? What do you want to do next? So, like, you know... Have you done this before? Like, do you want to do more of it? I just have less questions to ask them. And I'd just enjoy it more if the quality was, like, higher. So that's me, I think. Sure, sure. That's, yeah, nice. Also, it means they trust you enough to show you something. That's also something nice. That's true, that's true. Oh, yeah, but I'm thinking of a particular person in mind, right? And with that person, it is, you know, they would trust you enough to show you this stuff. I like it. To Tom? You said you've done something like that, right? Yeah. I did think about that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm not trying to hide it behind anything. Okay. Skip to 40 minutes then. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. 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