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They were both really good. They're welcome back anytime. More interestingly, three Ospreys players have been registered at the Chiefs with one of them being a prop. Now, as I said on Twitter, a list was passed to me at the end of February with potential names that are going out. I'm still not going to name them just until I get more. I might name them later this week. But three young players going out to cut their teeth in Beaupontaine in, I believe, the FA Cup. Is it the South Africa Cup or something like that they're going to be playing in? It would be Curry Cup, wouldn't it? It's quite close to Curry Cup season now, though, isn't it? So it'll be in that environment, anyway, which would be good. Yes, Dean, what's your thoughts on the whole situation with Boshoff staying and three of our boys going out? First of all, it's good to see Boshoff staying. I think he's been a really good addition. He looked quite good against Munster. I thought he was very good up in Edinburgh the couple of weeks before. It's nice to have an extra option of 13. Obviously, with injuries towards north, which looks rather serious after what Toby Wooth said post-match. It'd be nice to have someone alongside Watkin and Florence as options to play 13 and are out to out 13. So, yes, that's good news. Of course, obviously, we don't want to see anyone leave the club, do we? They played well, I feel. They've gone around the park and just done their stuff. The Cheetahs have got their own competitions to play in as well, with their under-16 at the Challenge Cup. Who knows, it could easily be... I'm not sure if they're on the other side of the draw or not, but they could easily be later on in the competition. It could be the Cheetahs against the Ospreys, who knows? That'd be heartbreaking. That'd be something really interesting, seeing Dan Gassendi up against Kieran Giles. I think that's a good battle to watch. Someone commented a rumour on the Facebook page that we're in for... We've signed him on a two-year deal. Which would make me incredibly happy. I mean, it's very unlikely, but... Yeah, and is the winger probably the top priority at the minute? That's the question. No, I said this, and I said that... Thirteen and... Lucio Propp... are the signing priority. Speaking of signing... Your mates at Wales Online dropped a bomb the other day that Kieran Hardy is basically all but done. Kieran Hardy is supposed to have signed. He's played 93 games for Scarlets. Looks to be on his way out. He's doing deals, looks to reshuffle. Of course, he has cousins. We have Luke Davis. Luke Davis is a younger cousin. So, both are clearly building a family army. Because it'll be a pack full of fenders. And a backline full of Kieran Hardy and Luke Davis. So, what do you think of the Hardy signing? If it does come to fruition. Yeah, obviously, it's not fully confirmed. Steph Thomas at Wales Online is normally quite reliable and quite good at these exclusives. So, yeah, it's an interesting one. I think it probably provides some good competition for Reuben Morgan-Williams as well. Someone else alongside him has maybe battened it out to first choice. Obviously, no disrespect to Luke Davis and Cam Jones. But it just felt like at the start of the season that Reuben was going to be the first choice. And then everyone else would be sorting themselves out for second choice. But, yeah, some international experience. Doesn't go amiss at all. And Hardy's been quite unfortunate that he's had to play alongside someone like Garth Davis or the Scarlets for so many years. Especially when Davis was reaching his peak. He just felt like there was a starting role for Hardy. So, maybe this move could easily change that and Hardy could be within the shot of being the first-choice nine at a reach. And, well, we'll be able to see where he's like that. Oh, I agree. I think he fits into that system that we want to play. Reliable kick in nine. I said on Raffle Monday that if he was younger, probably a bit less expensive, that Toby would go out and say, I'm a Davis. And I think this is the next cab off the rank in terms of that type of signing. He's not going to cost too much. Solid, reliable, you know. There's more pros than there's cons. To this signing, so fingers crossed. We've had no re-signings this week. I'm still confident that there is going to be more to come. Well, we know there's more to come. Obviously, the fallout from the Nicky deal has happened. Cuthbert is injured. We don't know the severity of it, but it looked very Dewey-Lakey to me. Like Dewey-Lakey against Perpignan. Anyone else? Nicky's fit. Do you think he'll be fit? He popped a rib that game. I'm not too sure. He had a little cut to the head as well after one of the scrums. So I thought originally when not for blood, then obviously he realised, oh wait, he might have done something to his ribs. We'll probably find out tomorrow at some point when the Booth press conference is. Are you in that press conference? I am not. I will not be. Because my work down the Vale, so I think I'm not sure who's covering that exactly. But yeah, I think most of the regional press conference is tomorrow. So I think all the news will probably come out tomorrow afternoon at some stage. Expect news tomorrow at 9 and we haven't got Cardiff. We haven't got a Friday game. Yeah, the Dragons are on. The Dragons, they had their press conference yesterday, didn't they? Yeah. So I think everyone else is on the Thursday. I'm not in. Right. We can't really get any longer, can we? Or do you want to do a good player first? Or should we just get in? I may as well just delve into this and get out of the way. Right. Ospreys versus Munster. The game finished. In the most dramatic fashion possible. Let's start with... I don't know where to start because this game was a farce. This game was a farce. Let me just find the... It finished 1727, right? Right. So Ospreys got three tries. Actually, let's start with some magic numbers. I'm going to steal Hugh Griffin's thing. Ospreys have the worst kicking percentage off the tee for anyone in the league. So they have the lowest success rate off the tee in the league, 65% after missing another four points a week. We've now missed 43 points kicking a goal this season. Unfortunately, a lot of that is Owen Williams. Dan Edwards is jet-washed. Ironically, he's in the top four for kicking still. How do we feel about that? I think probably the slight annoyance of it is that most of them have become quite crucial games as well if you look back throughout the season. Obviously, you had Owen Williams who missed... He missed a conversion away at Connacht at the start of the season. If that goes over, there's an extra point. You get an extra point, yeah. I can't remember about the Glasgow game, but... Scarlett, he missed one. I know it didn't matter, but... If you miss one, you're comfortably in front. They don't really tend to be noticed, so you've got the Connacht game. Dan Edwards missed one in the Ulster game, which obviously we wouldn't have had without the last-minute drop goal. Things like that. Is it a worry going forward, do you think? I think a little bit. In terms of probably the league position and how all the points have managed to work themselves out, it probably is if you're looking back and you're thinking, there's a point missing there. Duncan Weir with Glasgow from the Glasgow game, he was pinpointing off the tee, I'm pretty sure he was 100 per cent that evening. Kicked a penalty to give them the lead, and the conversion to the Nye Gospies was a losing bonus by that night. If you look at it from Friday night, if you go in at 14-19, as it would have been if the second conversion went over, you're thinking, right, it's a bit closer. Munster turn up for about five minutes, Neymar scores, and you're chasing the game again. There's little moments from missing kicks and things like that. You probably look back at the start of the season and you think, first game or two of the season, all right, it's not that much of a worry. When you're in the business end of the season, you're fighting for the top eight or Champions Cup rugby, and you're thinking, oh, if only that kick went over, if only that kick went over. But goalkeeping is quite similar to other mistakes that happened on the field as well. There's countless chances that inside the Munster 22, where the Ospreys either drop a ball or pass men or go to hand, and things like that. One example where Owen Riddon throws an off-broad and it bounces off Sam Parry's head, which is rather unfortunate. Or Morgan Morris loses control of the ball inside the Munster 22. So they all add up, don't they? As everyone looks at the kicking stats, in a way, you need to look elsewhere as well. If you lose by 10 and you've missed four points, you think, you've missed out on an opportunity of a point, but at the end of the day, there was obviously one chance that would have been an extra two points. And I don't really want to talk about it. You have to eventually. Let's go through the game. We started in the worst possible way. I've lost, I've gone on a rabbit, I went on a rabbit hole as I'm looking at appearances. We lost. So Shane Bailey goes across in the third minute on the first Munster attack of the game. We just defended far too narrow. I can't remember who shot that, but it put someone in no man's land. Keenan Jones has just had too much to do. That would have been Mark Jones having kittens. Because we have defended narrow this season. That's not me. I don't necessarily agree with it. It's the blitzing and then not being able to react to a team getting the ball wide. That's slightly annoying. So we go, we lose that. Then two minutes later, we attack the blind side in front of the East End. Probably not far in front of you yesterday, I'd imagine, is it? No, I think it was the other side. It was the West side. Yeah, it was in front of the West. So Sean O'Brien intercepts, goes the length, poor Keenan Jones tackle. They go over, annoying. Then the most comical try I think I've ever seen. So Sean O'Brien gets the ball, hacks it through, and it's literally on the touchline, like anything but touching the touchline. Actually, I think if you went to a TMR, you could probably frame by frame break it down. Justin Tipperett gets back, goes to dab it down, just misses the ball. Owen Williams then goes to kick it, misses it completely, and Sean O'Brien puts down the pressure. At that point, I was honestly, my jaw was on the floor. We are the unluckiest team in the world. Talk to me, how did it feel in the stadium? I think everyone's a little bit shocked, but even by the first try, it's quite rare that the Ospreys can see the try-off first phase, and especially really early on in games, you're kind of like, it takes a bit of time before anyone kind of cracks. It all came from a scrum penalty as well, which is probably a little bit annoying for Booth and Duncan Jones. The Smith goes in on the angle of trying to assert dominance, but obviously doesn't get what he wanted, because he was going in against, he was boring in. You give away the penalty, and you're thinking, all right, it's an early chance for them. And if you remember the game against Ulster, the Ospreys defended really well, especially early on in that match. And then Munster all of a sudden pull out this first phase move, and they score. And you're thinking, well, that's a surprise. Then the Owen Williams intercepts, which is, well, that was a bit of a blow at the time. And then Kieran Williams thinks it was a good idea to do it again a few minutes after that. And you look at the scoreboard, and it's 19-0 after 16 or 17 minutes, and you're thinking, we've seen what Munster can do to other regions. You just want to make sure it doesn't end in about 40-odd points. And just make sure you get off nil to begin with. It's so ironic that everyone this season has been calling it for us to play more expansive rugby. And as soon as you fling it away twice, we lose. We get intercepted. Yeah, both of them were, you know, if the passes went to hand, there's a chance on the wing. I think Giles was there for the first one. As I know, I think it was Kieran Williams who was there for the first one, and Giles was there for the second one on the outside. So if the pass went to hand, there's a chance, maybe a half-brick, or maybe something more. Yeah, it's really ironic that everyone mentions, all the Ospreys play this forward-oriented style of rugby. But you can just see when you try and run it just inside your own half, or somewhere around there, you have to be rather safe with what you do, especially in attack, because the fences are so good. And I think O'Brien, who got the tries, those interception reads were really good. Especially how he picked the second one out, because that was rather impressive. But yeah, I think Boothby mentioned it post-match about how maybe there was a bit of attack delay, maybe a bit of attack delay that they didn't get, because obviously they knew what they were going to expect from Munster. Lots of physicality up front, and a World Cup win in the second row obviously helps. The set-piece was going to be a big battle, and maybe they tried to evolve from that forward style a little bit, and use the backs a little bit more, and they got caught out in the first quarter, and kind of sorted that out rather quickly in Fannerson. Yeah. So from there, it had a bit of a mountain to climb. It did get worse where Justin Tabric receives a yellow card on 38 minutes. So he did score a try, actually, first, 33 minutes. Keelan Giles goes over in a really lovely try, actually. Bofshaw hits a lovely line, gets hit, makes a little cap-flap offload to Keith, and then Keith just very calmly passes the ball to Giles, and we go over, and you can see like, right, 19-5. OK, let's just go into half-time. Reset, come back. We're on top of the Scrum at this point, by the way. I would just like to point out that we've sorted out the Scrum. We're winning penalties. We just can't convert. We're getting into 22, and we cannot convert. It's probably the first and credit to Munster, because I remember Munster are champions. Yeah? Munster are statistically the best team in the league. They just won the league. 38 minutes in, Holly Davison awards a yellow card to Justin Tippert for a professional foul. It is a yellow card, unfortunately. Can't really argue with it. I haven't watched it back. But we rain out the storm. Rhys Davies puts a lovely turnover in right at half-time, which leads me to my next stat. He won two turnovers that night, and he's the only Loch to have won 11 turnovers this season. No player has won more. So I think he's well up. He's still in the top 10. Definitely might even be in the top 5. I think he's joined top with a couple other players. I think Thomas Young is one of those as well. I read this this afternoon. I can't remember who else. I remember reading that Thomas Young is definitely on 11 and Rhys Davies is as well. But Davies was the only Loch that's got more than 8, I think. Because I was the next second row in line. But Cardiff told me that Thomas Young is on 864 turnovers this season. I think that's one for the Central Podcast of the bit. They'll probably just shout at me. They called me out publicly last week. Did they? Yeah. Ed Diamond, Andrew Ford. Shocking. Inflammatory comments. I've been in touch. After that we come out with all the possession, all the territory. Sam Parry eventually goes over for his 965th try in Osprey's jersey. So what are we? 1912 at this point? No. 1912. So you're like, come on. Hello. But then RG Slayman goes and scores five minutes later, which shouldn't have been a try, by the way. I'm not going to talk about the neck roll, right? The neck roll should have been pinged. Right? But that... The Rhys Henry holding on penalty, man. Gee, how... There was clear lift. He was on it for a good two seconds. Our referee decisions were not as egregious as the ones in the Dragons game, right? But you just want consistency. That's all you want, I think, as a... as a player and as a spectator. How did you think Holly Davidson did? I thought, on the whole, she did okay. Every referee makes the odd decision that you probably disagree with. You know, the Henry one, for example, you kind of think, maybe another day she might have given it. Yeah, I agree with that. And a different referee might have given it the same way. But, you know, my bad about the URC at the moment is probably how only the referee and the team are from the same nation. Yeah, Gwyn Morris seems to have a comment on that. And you've got touch judges from the WRO and no offence to them, but you go and watch the Welsh Prem and you see maybe one of them in the middle and you're thinking, you know, he's making the odd area and there's some professional league and you're thinking, why are they running touch as the other rugby has not got a full set of officials to come over? I remember they did briefly have that. I think it was just before COVID where they managed to sort out that they'd have a group of four to go to games but obviously COVID kind of held that back for a while and now they've slowly building that back up with now two. So, yeah, it's, you know, I didn't think Davidson had, you know, had a particularly bad game. I thought she reffed it very well. But I think it's right, you know, it's a job which, you know, four people need to be, you know, on course with it and maybe at some occasions in the ORC on a whole, not just this particular match on Friday but on a whole maybe just the one unfortunately and I think it needs to be a bit more of a collective effort between all four across the league. Yeah. So, Hadji Steinman goes over after not really sustaining pressure but just banging the door. 73rd minute then Alex Cuthbert powers over and you're like hello. This could be spicy. Just sort of finish it. At this point, what are they? 27, 12 up. Alex Cuthbert goes over. The mystical version. 10 kips to 70. 78, 79 minutes. So, we have a ruck and if you look at the TV we have a ruck on the far left-hand side. We have a penalty advantage. The ball spills out and Cam Jones makes a dart on the side of the break zone. Very quick off the mark actually. Really, really quick off the mark. Alex Cuthbert on support gives a simple two-on-one. Alex Cuthbert is walking these trails for years and years and years. Five metres from the line his hamstring goes. And it goes like he cannot move and Mike Haley puts in the tackle. He does well to get the ball away actually but it kicks out. So, we bomb that and then Owen Williams misses the kick. What was worse is we could have taken the scrum option. It would have been a scrum five to us. When I was watching it live I was thinking because Cuthbert tried an off-load back inside for the supporting run of Giles who had just backed off because everyone had thought that Cuthbert was going to score. Don't blame Keelan Giles for that at all because I think everyone on the ground thought that Cuthbert was just going to stroll in the last five metres and score but obviously rugby is rather cruel like that and when a hamstring goes like that it's rather unfortunate. So I thought Cuthbert gave the off-load back in and I thought Haley booted it out. So he booted it dead. I thought he booted it in the match. I'm pretty sure we have the option I have to watch it back I'm dead certain he kicked it dead because Harley Davidson clearly said you have the option and we went overcooked it and we lose the game. Just a stinging way to lose a game. It just hurts and I'm over it. We lost they're the champions it's probably right ten points it's just about right like we didn't you know we could have we say this all the time I mean particularly for Cardiff but we've gone over and taken 50 right and teams in the past would have done we did half find a way and we deserve two points at that game it just hurts in a manner which we didn't get two points because statistically we dominated I thought a forward carried really well I thought Raffy and Davis had a really good game together well Rhys Henry was brilliant when he came on again unironically brilliant Morgan Morris was industrious Tipperary probably had one of his quieter games Deves came on was tackling everything and Boshoff was great Giles I think for me the player that stood out the most was Jack Walsh when he came on yes the Hopkins didn't have a bad game whatsoever I just think he didn't get the opportunities that he probably needed Jack Walsh came on he really shored up at 15 looked the best undeniable he ever has it's just ability to find half gaps he's just so good at that so yeah I'm over it it stung it really did but we deserve two points we didn't get it we're 10 points worse off the playoff dream is most most likely dead we'll know definitely after this weekend but shit things man yeah it was a bit tough when you're walking out of a ground the way that the last few minutes has happened you're thinking even in the small moments like if Owen Williams doesn't kick the ball dead and Munster doesn't have that scrum where they win the penalty from and kick three points you're thinking obviously if Cuthbert's hamstring doesn't go if you look at that and you're thinking wow it's a one score game there's a chance for a penalty with a late drop goal and with two minutes to go you're thinking this is anyone's game even if even if Cuthbert just scored normally you're thinking the Lions away is about to reappear all over again and the Ospreys about to grab a late winner but obviously there's going to be times with this young squad where results like that comebacks like that don't happen and I think maybe not over expectation but you kind of like with the way that the coaching the coaching staff has been and the young group of players have been you kind of like felt like oh they're just going to rock up and win because why not it's quite similar to the Edinburgh game where they had that chance near the end but you've just got to think about it with all the mess that Welsh rugby's been through that they're still competing ridiculously high level you know near in top 8 of URC I think we're a season out of where we want to be in terms of you fix them simple fixable mistakes all of a sudden we're competing a lot more so you're like yes come on you know wouldn't Adam Beard have made a difference to that game or Gareth Thomas definitely I think would have but I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I 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