Ep. 7: The Importance of Good Communication, Israel, and No Pants Saturdays

The podcast is a discussion of ideas, theories, and concepts relevant in the 21st century. Matthew Kaplan developed his ability to communicate by emphasizing deep understanding and meaningful conversations. He learned the importance of communication through experiences at Sleepaway Camp and traveling with others. He values friends who listen and talk to him like an adult. Active listening, using someone's name, and showing empathy are ways to genuinely care for others. However, people may struggle to care about experiences that don't impact them directly. Jealousy and personal circumstances can hinder genuine care. It's important to ask others about their lives, even if they may seem unexciting. Welcome to the We'll Get There podcast. I'm William Gregg, a sophomore currently studying at Florida State University. Today I am joined by my good friend, Matthew Kaplan. This podcast is intended to be a discussion of ideas, theories, and concepts that are relevant in the 21st century. ♪♪ Welcome, Matthew. Thank you. So I want to start out, when I first met you, I immediately was introduced to your personality, which is one of just being super energetic, focused on conversation, focused on getting to know somebody immediately. And I think that you are one of the more talented communicators that I've met. How do you think you developed your ability to communicate with people and understand people? Always, my whole life growing up, my relationships, my interpersonal relationships, it's a big stress for me that I have to know how a person thinks in order for me to even know if I feel like we're friends. It's a small conversation that's full of, where are you from? And why did you come abroad? And stuff like that, kind of meaningless to me because it's so surface level. And honestly, I think it's almost hard for me to end up feeling close to people because of how long it takes for me to get that deeper understanding. But I do think that when I find people that are there to talk, and we'll get into the good conversations pretty quick. You also, always down to talk, like really talk. Not like, oh, I'm from Colorado. Like, oh my gosh, you're also a Kansas man. It's super important to me. And I think it came mostly from Sleepaway Camp. They say, I've always been good at making friends. When I was younger, I'd go to the playground, meet someone, show it to my parents, like, hey, can I come over? It was just like, no matter what, I needed somebody to hang out with. I wasn't great about being alone. I wasn't good about toys and imagining stuff. Like, I needed people to hang out with. Like, I needed people to bounce ideas off and laugh with. So, that was always a big stress. And honestly, a lot of the way I grew up was, Sleepaway Camp wasn't consistent for about seven, eight years. And the school I went to was consistent for 12 years. So, what did Sleepaway Camp look like? Was that like a summer thing? Or was that like, you did that in the middle of the school year? Okay, Sleepaway Camp was every summer. And for a while, it was just three and a half weeks. I'd go stay in a bunk, a bunch of people my age. It was a religious camp, a Jewish camp. And it was a typical summer camp. But the reason I bring it up is because you start living with people that are your friends. And that way, it's just a whole different realm of getting to know them, completely. And I think we learned that in a whole nother degree while we were abroad. Because right next to living with people, I have traveling with them. Because traveling with someone is like, it's a different story, bro. True colors. True colors. And it's like, okay, you can be tight as hell with someone, but not travel compatible at all. But, yeah, that's how it goes. But living with people, starting at eight years old, and building that bond every summer, and coming back to it, sort of just taught me what I like in a friend. And the people that end up meaning the most to me are the ones that I'm staying up till 2 a.m. and telling me everything about my life and the way I think. And the people I respected the most in life were the people that would sit down and listen to me and talk to me like an adult, even though I was 10, for example. When I was young, and I bet we all went through this, you start thinking, wow, death is scary. That's intense. Maybe somebody in your family dies. At some point, you're like, wow, what does that mean? Nothing, darkness? That's crazy. And I was a 10-year-old, couldn't sleep at night, and the counselor sat down. He had a conversation with me for an hour and a half plus, and really talked to me, which was just such an amazing feeling where somebody else showing you they understand, and somebody that's in a different place in life showing you they understand and showing you their perspective where I just learned that communicating with someone is engagement and it's active listening where you're repeating stuff back to them. I've seen something about just the mental impact it has on remembering people's names if you repeat it back to them and the way that they feel when you repeat it back to them. Being fully in the conversation and reacting and showing your face and maybe not too much eye contact. I don't know how we all feel about that. No, I was listening to a podcast the other day, and it was talking about pretty much this topic, eye contact, just basic charisma. And it was saying the importance of using somebody's name, not what's up, bro. Especially with our generation, it's always what's up, bro, what's up, my guy? It's so common. And while that is totally acceptable, it's also nice to hear your name once in a while. And also with the eye contact, you want eye contact, but then again, you don't want someone staring into your soul. You want breaks in eye contact every so often. That can be very- There's a fine line. Yeah, that can- And that's hard. Also, if you think about it, that's when it gets worse. You do all these things naturally, but to hear someone say to you that you shouldn't be committing to full eye contact, then you start thinking about full eye contact and whether or not you're making too much eye contact and now you have to look away because you've been staring at them. I don't know. That's a whole nother story. If you're thinking about all that, you're out of conversation. Yeah, exactly. You're in your own head, they're talking at you. And I'm not saying I'm the GOAT here. It happens all the time where I will zone out or get in my own head. But being active, showing someone you care is such a beautiful way of forming a good friend, and quick. How does one show someone they care without it seeming superficial? Because in our generation, it seems like people are trying to care superficially so that increased number of friendships or acquaintances, increased likeness, increased popularity, all of these things that are a product of showing someone that you seemingly care about them. How do you make someone feel like you genuinely care about them? This might be a corny answer, but care. If you hear something and somebody opens up, think about how that makes you feel. Identity. Think about how that would make you feel and then relay what you would wanna hear. It's like, I'm thinking about you. I know this is hard for you. I'm there for you. And reminding someone you're there for them, I think you can't say it enough. You want someone to respond with like, I know. So having that empathy and actually caring, then somebody will know. Because you can tell when somebody doesn't actually care. It's uncontrollable because it's almost like where you look at someone and you can see it in their face. I know you're saying that to be sweet. Not everyone's gonna care about everyone. But to do your best to show that empathy and be human, then people will know you care. And following up. If a good friend of mine is stressed out about a test, text them before they let you know. You know, I can't have that test go. It's so easy, but you forget about it. I mean, that's proving to someone you care. And it's like, they're on your mind. Especially when people are so busy. In college, we see that so much. It's like someone doesn't wanna reach out for help because they don't wanna bother people. Like if they're intelligent, think about others a lot, then they're like, oh, I don't wanna bother this person with like, I just bombed my fucking quiz or I just did amazing on my quiz. Like, how much do they actually care? It was like, that's something that I struggled with. It was a realization I had when I was abroad. Like probably halfway through first semester, I was like, damn, it seems like people never truly care. Like even if you had a best friend and you had the greatest time of your life. Like for example, like for me, it was like the first trip I went on abroad and I was so fucking excited for it. And like after I was just like texting like my family back home, I'm like, it was so amazing, we did this, this, this, this. And then I like watch a YouTube video probably like a week or two later. And it was like talking about how no one can ever truly care about your like experiences because they're not their own, unless they actually have experienced them. And I was like, damn, that's like very pessimistic, but that is sort of true. But like, what's your thought on that? If you can't care to the point where if something doesn't impact you, you're not gonna be 100% invested. I think that's just human nature. Obviously, regardless of what happens to you, their life won't really change, but they care because they don't wanna see you sad or don't wanna see you stressed. But it's not a 100% care where they can feel it in their heart, you know? And a lot of the time people will look at it and get jealous almost. I feel like I've held back in the past where like I don't wanna explain something to someone who's maybe going through a rough time, but like I just had a great weekend. Well, that's the greatest inhibitor, what they were talking about. It's jealousy and all the other feelings. It prohibits them from actually caring about what you're talking about. It's like, oh, you just went on this amazing trip, but I am here studying, I don't know, like general chemistry in my small town. It's like, I don't care that you went on this big trip because like my life sucks right now. Like, when do you ask me about my life if it's bland? It's like, that's kind of depressing to think about, but if you don't have an exciting life, like who is there to ask you about your life? And that's, I don't know. That's like, that's how you show people you care. It's like, no matter what's going on in their life, you genuinely care about their life. It's like- Checking in. Checking in and treating everything as they're treating it. Put everything on the same level, even though the scales are a little bit out of proportion, because there's no sense in making somebody feel even less about it. Yeah. I mean, it's also not. Right, with relativity. I mean, it just doesn't matter. Right, because it's like, that's what's making you feel that way right now. Like 100%, that's what it is. Like, it matters just as much as what's 100% making him feel that way. It's crazy, but I'll move on. As far as avoidance of communication goes, why do you think it is the biggest prohibitor and do you see it a lot in our generation or do you see it less? Oh, I see it, of course, a ton in our generation. I mean, I can't compare it to God's generation. I see it all the time, all the time. It's almost to a point where it's human nature. Like, you're literally just making shit worse. When I was a freshman, me and this girl had a lot going on and every time something would happen, like, I would, you know, I asked her out. She said, no, we didn't talk about it. We stayed best friends. Every time one of those things would happen and we'd just like brush over and not talk about it, the stuff buried below got worse to a point where like, there was months we didn't talk. And that was sort of like my first like, okay, talk about this shit, because it's important, it's super important. If you're not talking about it, then you're risking all of the foundation of your friendship, all of the foundation of your relationship. And when her and I eventually started dating, that's right, I got her, I got her. She's amazing, not bagged, I was lucky. Regardless, when we eventually started dating, the first thing I said to her, we need to communicate everything we're feeling when we're feeling it and we need to be so open with each other. She was probably terrified. She was probably like, this kid is mature as fuck. She probably saw us in TV shows. Dude, I'm so real. We had a really healthy relationship for like nearly three years. It was really healthy. And that was sort of like my intro, was health. And it was like, I kinda, it was like, I got it. I know what to do. You just gotta talk. And if you're open with each other, then you have no reason to get nervous about what's going on there. Like a relationship, something beautiful and happy won't be a stressor. And in the times in my life where relationships have been a stressor, the big problem has been communication. Do you think maturity is inevitably tied to avoidance? Like, do you think that as someone becomes more mature, they become less avoidant within communication? Or do you think that at some point, they don't have a relationship with each other whatsoever? Like, for example, I could be super mature, but I could still be avoidant because it's just like, it's just a human flaw to avoid conversation when that means that it could lead to failure. I think it's also subjective with the way people are themselves, that somebody can be super mature in most ways and still be scared of those conversations versus somebody who's mature in a lot of ways, but still doesn't work out every day. It's maturity in different aspects, right? So like someone could be, they could be mature because they know that they need to commit to studying every night, like five hours for their exam. And then someone can be mature enough to realize that nothing truly matters, so I'm gonna take a deep breath and face this head on. It's like someone who is mature in the first aspect isn't necessarily mature in the second and the inverse. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's sort of my point, bringing up all the different places somebody can lack in maturity, right? Yeah, fair enough. All right, so I think we've pretty much talked about everything I wanna talk about on communication, so I'll go to the next topic. Right now, and pretty much our whole lives, and I don't know, the past, I don't even wanna put a timestamp on it because it's just, but talking about Israel and the demographics and the geographics, because so many people are caught up in the religious conflict and the geographic conflict, but talk about your back, first just give the audience background on how you're connected to Israel, like you're connected, and then give them some information on Israel. As a place and as a cultural phenomenon, rather than what they might hear in a news story. Okay, yeah, so my connection to Israel starts young. Because I'm Jewish and grew up in a religious Jewish community, it was always something taught to me in school, where every year there were multiple teachers for every grade that came from Israel for the year. And at some point throughout the year, they teach you a little bit about where they're from and about the food and the culture and all this, and it was like information I was being fed for 12 years. And on top of that, the standard is to take a gap year. A gap year is, a gap year can be any time, but take a gap year after high school and spend the year in Israel learning, traveling. So already it was planted in my head young that like Israel is this amazing, beautiful place. And it was portrayed to me sort of like a better Miami. Like Miami without the Floridians and with like better food and more real human culture. Like I think we can probably both agree that like the culture in the house and like in the community is a lot more real outside of America. But I mean, Europe was absurd and the Middle East is booming with culture. I mean, it's incredible. So that was how it was painted to me. There was never really focus on the politics. And then when we got to high school, they mixed it in a little bit, but I'm not gonna give any credit to my school that was very biased towards Zionism. What is that? Zionism is the strong belief in a Jewish state. That is, those are the people, they firmly believe that things are how they should be. If not, Israel should be bigger. If you see what I mean. Yeah, yeah. So like, I don't stand with all that. I don't really take much of what they said in regards to all that. Worth like, I think it's worth a grain of salt because I just know how blown out of proportion it is. Especially once I actually got there. The biggest part of my love for Israel comes from being there for the year. I immediately went to Jerusalem for three and a half months, lived on a college campus with Hispanic Jews and Israelis that were training for the army and just Israelis in college and took classes there. Our classes were all in English, but I was learning Hebrew and had been learning Hebrew for years. And then my second half of the gap year was three and a half months in Tel Aviv working at an environmental non-profit. Super cool. Really cool. I didn't even know that you were involved with that. I just thought you were going to be a ruler. I mean, it ended up being a lot of being Tel Aviv ruling, but I did put together stuff for this non-profit and I was technically their intern. It was amazing. It was super cool. That was fully immersed in the Hebrew where they only spoke Hebrew in the office. Damn. Which was super cool. It was super cool. But all that love, it's just such a beautiful place. And I think that there's a bit of a difference just being Jewish because it's a Jewish state. Most of the Israelis there are Jewish. So it's just like part of the Jewish culture is like super accepting of all Jews, which is awesome. But even friends that aren't Jewish that have been, like it's a great time. Oh, I loved it. Yeah, and it's a super welcoming environment. And I mean, I just, I haven't seen it, I haven't seen it done better anywhere else. And I've seen a good amount. Not that I'm, like it could be done better somewhere else in some of the places I've been. It's just such a beautiful culture. Right, without the preface, like it seems like it's touched by God. In like a religious setting, obviously like they mean something different, but like I felt like very much so like, I don't know, like the way that the sky opened up on the sea and the city and the architecture, it just, it was amazing. And believe me, getting the full year to like go see all these random small cities and small, like, I don't know if you've heard the term kibbutz, it's like a, basically like a little village. And then it's a bunch of families, they all live together and they all work. And it's sort of like a, they got their own economy and their own bubble, basically, that they live in. Very collectivist. But it's like, it's a bunch of Israeli families, like all doing the same thing. And every Friday night they're singing and dancing in the gym and every, like, it's just, it's so incredible that like, you put a bunch of Americans together like that, I've seen it. Nothing like that, there's nothing like that. It's a different bond, I mean, I. But that's not me here to say that the bonds people have with each other in America aren't as strong. I just, the way that they show that love and community is so energetic and so colorful and nothing beats it. Yeah, awesome, I love it. So if you had to give someone like a minute talk on like, to convince them that like, it's not as bad as it sounds, it's not like everyone's getting wiped out. And there's also terrorists that come in and plenty of attacks. It does happen. Ultimately not as frequent that it should keep you from visiting. But your day is gonna be a sunny day in the Tel Aviv wind with shawarma in your hand and people biking all around and families in the parks. It's not like you get there and like, turn to your left, there's a guy with a knife, like you gotta run like 20 minutes and then like you can chill at the beach. Like, it's so awesome. But I will say, it's under more fire than most places. Right, right. And I can't straight up say like, no, it's not. Yeah, well, I mean, it'd be fine. Like, it's totally chill, but like, but I do think that shit happens there and shit gets really messy. But I urge everyone to visit. It's such a significant place, no matter what your background is. Like genuinely, no matter your background, that place plays into it in some way. Kind of like piggybacking off of that, how has the exploration of Israel, like as a cultural state and like as a geographical state, as a demographic state, how has that contributed to your life back in the United States or your life elsewhere in another place? That's a fantastic question without you even knowing it. My relationship, and I'm gonna get into this later with the religion stuff, my relationship with religion period was in shambles post high school. Before your experience? Yes, before going to Israel. And it was the community, the Jewish and Israeli community in Israel and the place itself that reeled me back in. The place itself is a little bit less so on the religious side, just because- Tel Aviv, that is, or Jerusalem? Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv, yeah. But the fact that Jerusalem exists sort of like gives it that edge, versus I would argue it was the people and the culture that really like brought me back to a place of being happy that I'm a Jew and loving the fact that I know as much as I do about the religion and the people. And instead of being, you know, scared sometimes or annoyed that I have all this other random shit and like Christmas isn't my winter. I think that that's a very successful mission that someone goes on, like through Judaism, but like for other religions or other aspects of someone's life. So like if you're losing to, like it doesn't necessarily have to be have a religious affiliation, but if you're losing touch with something that is in your life, like give yourself, and you like appreciate that thing and you want that thing to be a part of your life, give yourself time to like ingrain yourself in that. And try learning it from another perspective because it's not what it seems like. One side, it's not one side at all. Because everything's on a spectrum, right? And whether or not you just thought that you were on the right part of the spectrum or you were being held on one part of the spectrum, like checking out the other side could completely change everything for you. I've heard stories of friends of mine that really loved basketball and because of their coach and the pressure of being on whatever team they were on, it started to hurt them. But when they went and checked out the non-competitive side and started playing more at their local court and just shooting around, it started to bring that relaxation back and bring that like happiness back that they were so used to. I love that example. I love that. That was so, that fits so well within like my life. Like I was so competitive in sports for so long and realized that I hated them. And then got like out of them for a certain amount of time and then got back into them recreationally like through like Valencia and then through like even like FSU now and like I love sports. Like I crave playing baseball and there was one point in my life where I despised playing baseball. Like they really try to like take it out of you. It's like give yourself time to look at it from another perspective. Don't just think, oh, I hate this thing because I fundamentally hate this thing. No, it's like people can make you hate something or people can make you love something. Like for example, like I have a great chemistry teacher and he's like one of the people that I look up to right now. Doesn't necessarily mean that I like chemistry. In fact, I actually don't like it, but I love this guy. And so there was like, I switched my major because I was like, this guy's awesome. Chemistry's awesome. And then I was like, I don't like chemistry at all. I just like this guy. So it's like give yourself time to understand why you like or dislike things and then go at it from a different perspective. So I think that's a great view. I actually love that example. I'll just transition to the next subject because we've talked a lot about it and I feel like I've touched upon it on my board. I'm sure we could expand for like a whole episode on just like dynamics of Israel and Judaism and the, you know, the interrelationship there. But I'll continue because just for the sake of brevity. But how do you think that one's perspective of their religion, like how they view their religion differs from like how religion is realized in their life? Does that make sense? Like what is your perception of your religion versus what is your reality? And you already like touched upon this, but like just like give like a little. I think that's part of like what I wasn't really able to recognize when I was younger is the fact that my perception of my religion was so dark and like, you know, the people I was seeing that were at the top of the religion were like a little bit racist, a little bit homophobic. And like, I mean, I never get along with authority and like these were people of authority. So in my head, they were also jackasses. So it was like, I'm seeing all these terrible examples. Meanwhile, something that I'm getting from it is all the people that I know and all the connections that I've made at that point in my life, all because of Judaism. And all of the morals in the way that I think totally implemented because of Judaism, 100%, no doubt. You can't recognize that it's happening, but ultimately it played into everything, played into the way I live because you're constantly being shown these examples of right and wrong with religion. Like that's all, that's so much right and wrong. And like, whether or not you like it, like that could be the basis of why you don't do something. You will come out a more developed and composed person because it's teaching you the ways to think, not just what, like teaching you subjects, what to think. Like it's not memorization. It's rather just like the way of living. Yeah, I think that that is life, honestly. I've thought about that so much recently. It's like, what is college? Like college is memorization of concepts and the application of these concepts, but it's like, you can apply everything, like all of the ways of thinking that you use to something else. It's just like teaching you how to think. One of my favorite different examples of it is, I want to get this right. I think it's Lin Suan. He was a receiver for the Steelers back in, maybe the 90s, 80s, and he accredited like his athleticism to ballet, which is what he'd done first. So it's like that, okay, ballet didn't work, but how can I use this shit and go be a receiver in the NFL? And it's like, damn, like that mobility helped him, helped him get open, helped him get to the ball. And it's like, all right, like, I love it. It's cool, it's cool. No one would ever think of ballerina, go hitting people. Exactly, exactly, it's like. No, but it carries over, it makes sense. It's like, you know, a receiver has to be so dynamic and just like fundamentally, I don't know, fluid. Yeah. And like a ballerina does. I think it is, yeah. It's just like, you gotta apply these techniques and what you learn. You can't just give up on them because like it didn't work out in this practice. And I think you do a lot of that without even knowing. And like being able to recognize it is like, being able to recognize what you're up to is super important. Like self-awareness, like if you can get that down or like you know why you're thinking what you're thinking, you know what you're up to, like, dude, you're a step ahead. Bro, that's like, that's a derivative of consciousness. Why are you thinking what you're thinking? It's like, it goes back to like, I think it's epistemology. Is that what it is? Like why do we know what we know? Yeah, like the theory of knowledge. Like why do we essentially like, how do we know what we know and why do we know it? And like how does it apply to life? I love it, like I love that. Yeah. Super cool. All right, I'm gonna go into the kind of like free response questions or like the oddball questions. Yeah. So the first one I have, I asked some of my friends this the other day and like I got answers that I liked and now I would like to get an answer from you. And so what is your chasing the aesthetic life? Does that make sense? Like for, I would give my example right now would be going to live in Seattle and being a barista at a small coffee shop seaside, going to see indie bands on Friday night. I got you, I follow. I follow. Okay, I got it. I see it. Okay. Okay, okay. Like movie aesthetic. Yeah, yeah, put me in the Rockies and I think that's all we need. Put me in the Rockies, give me a hot tub, give me a plug. Well, I mean, you'd be in the Rockies. You'd be a plug. You'd be able to go to any shop you want. Exactly, that's what I meant. Yeah. And. That'd be it. Some tea, I'm making a lot of tea. Maybe that's what I'm up to. I'm running a tea shop. Okay. I drive down the mountain and I run a tea shop every day and the people that come in are all regulars and sometimes they'll bring their friends but these are people that I will sit down and have a good conversation with. It's like I'm running it but like I'm chilling. We were at this restaurant in Germany, me and my good friend Audrey and the person who was cooking for us like when we first got there, he was outside having a drink with his buddies and then went, cooked, came back, went straight to having a drink with his buddies. It wasn't like he was, you know, standing behind the kitchen the whole time. So I'd like, I'd like that. That'd be awesome. And in my free time, I mean, let me do whatever. Give me hiking. It's like the hot tub. It's like endless possibilities of like, that would be incredible. Not to, like, to go back, not to interrupt but like to go back on, it's like the, who is that guy over there? He's like, oh, he owns the place. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. And it's like, hey, like, they told me you're supposed to make us tea and it's like, yeah, I got you, bro. Yeah, let me, let me finish this round of cards. Yeah, it's like, hold on. Go sit over there. It's a good seat. And like, my place is smoke friendly and like, it's just good vibes. Dude, good vibes all around. I'm here for it. If I could, but the thing is. I already know what you're about to say. It was like, if I could make it happen and that was my follow-up is that's how I followed up when I asked my friends the other day is like, okay, so like, yes, this question is like dream life but like the challenge is to make that shit happen. Well, if you don't do that, here's the thing, because chasing the aesthetic is so niche, I know eventually I'm going to want to travel. Right. And I don't think that. So that's like a 60s. That's like a, you retired. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you're on your like third wife and she's like, I'm on my third or fourth. It's been crazy. Yeah. I've got like 16 kids, like all across America. Running around, coming to your tea shop on different days. Exactly. A couple of them actually work for me. On the side. But like, I definitely like a later in life where I can take it easy and like sort of live out my days watching sunsets with a hot cup of tea in my hand. That's awesome. I love it. It would be. Retirement, maybe. Like truly, is there retirement? Cause like, that's something I wrote about recently. I don't think there's ever retirement for someone who's passionate. Like someone who is passionate, there's never retirement. But I mean, that's kind of exciting being able to figure out what's past retirement. Oh, I love it. You know, I don't even see retirement as something that will be realized in my life. Like I will never truly commit to retirement. Like I've convinced myself that because it's like, if I'm doing what I want to be doing for the rest of my life, I don't need to retire. Like I can just continue to do shit until I die. And like, ultimately, if I was just sitting around doing nothing, I probably wouldn't be that happy. I'd rather just be doing shit on the side. Like, I don't know. I really like that. Yeah. Like the idea of being so immersed in what you're doing that never will retire. That it's not, like that retirement doesn't bring anything to your life. Right. It would actually take away from your life. I mean, that's what happens to a lot of people is they don't know what the fuck to do next. Right. Because you spent your whole life pushing, pushing, pushing. It's a hell of a lot of things. Yeah. Sad. It's really sad. It's a rat race. All right. On to the next, cause that one got kind of dark. Yeah, I think it got sad. Okay. If you could own and be skilled in operating any flying device, what would it be? So like I say flying device and like non-specified there, because like it could be a plane, helicopter, hot air balloon, jet pack. Maybe if that exists, like basically like just like a propelling device. Like what would it be? If you'd be skilled at it, like no margin of error whatsoever. Like the margin of error is zero. Like you would live through every single flight. Okay. Give me a seaplane. A seaplane? You need a seaplane? The ones that take off and land in the sea. They sort of like have the like. Yeah. Like sort of. That's so cool. Okay. These are my favorite because. Like in Alaska? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like whipping around. There's no runways. You can just go wherever the fuck I want. Like I'm on every coast because I'm just like jumping around little by little. I can land wherever I want. But it has wheels, right? I don't know. Like you can, could it land on land? Actually I don't know at all. I bet you it can. Mine can. Yeah. If I was to take mine can. Yeah. The attachment was super cheap also for some reason. It was awesome. It all worked out. Yeah, it worked out really well. I can land wherever. All right, where's the first place you're going? Like you just added it. It's literally sitting at your crib waiting to take off. Like where are you going? Like I'm leaving out of Tallahassee. Yeah. Nobody, like you have no responsibilities for the next two weeks. You just have to be back after two weeks. I mean, I'm gonna be so honest with you. Don't leave. I might go south first though. Yeah. And whatever's directly south of Florida. That's where you're heading? I think it's like Havana. Or Cuba. Fucking perfect. Anywhere. Latin America sounds amazing. Okay. The idea of experiencing that. On my plane? Holy shit. I just keep going down the coast, honestly. You'd be like on a, who did that? Ferdinand? Was it Ferdinand and Isabella? It went all the way down around South America. No way. Around the tip, yeah. There was no Panama Canal. Nah, they wanted to get the- Yes, yes, yes. That'd be me. Maybe that's it. Maybe it was Africa. I don't fucking know. I gotta fact check myself on that one, but we'll see. We'll see. Whatever. All right, next is, this is our final question. Every day, you can't wear a different piece of clothing. So that means like, it's on a rotation. Like, say Monday, no shirt. Tuesday, no pants. Okay. Okay, so what does that life look like? And then, what clothing item for which day of the week? Okay. So like, you could be like, Saturdays are my no socks. You could be like, Mondays are my no underwear. I'm gonna go, Saturdays my no pants, Sundays my no shirt. Okay. Okay, lounge days, relax days, I don't give a fuck. Okay? Now, when it comes to days that I'm really like, moving around a lot, like I'm in school, I'm in, I'm working, I'm working out, like, I mean like, the minor inconvenience of like, how about one sock? I have one sock off on Monday, and one sock off on Tuesday. But then you got like, one shoe off. No, I'll wear the shoe. What? Oh, do I have to go sock and shoe? What? Do I have to go sock and shoe? No, it's like Monday, you have all your other clothing items but it's like, if you pick Saturday, no shirt, and Sunday, no pants, or the opposite, then like, Monday's gonna have to be like, one shoe. And then Tuesday's gonna have to be like, one sock. And it's like, okay, but like, I don't know if I could do one shoe. Like, you gotta go to school and shit. Yeah, I don't know if I could do one shoe. You might have to go shirtless for a school day, but like, how's that? No, I think I end up going to one shoe. Really? Yeah. What happened to your shoe? Like, how are you answering that now? Are you gonna answer it differently every time someone asks? 100%. I'm gonna get so creative with it. And honestly, I might like, yeah, I might take pictures, bro. Like, it's like, I lost this, like, alligator ate it. And I have like, show them like, a picture of like, an alligator like, taking my shoe off. And it's like, holy shit, like, who is this guy? AI generated. Yeah, I could do that so easily. Bro, so easily. That's so funny. Yeah, definitely. I definitely have a weekend as a shirt and pants. And pants, and just fucking rock one of those. I think that I'm even more uncomfortable without a shirt and pants in like, a regular setting. Fair enough. Like, so uncomfortable. Bro, so uncomfortable. Like, no underwear is a crazy thing to do though. Like, is that your Friday? You go to Commando's on Friday? I guess it has to be. I'm definitely not wearing a zipper on Friday. Promise you that. Or loose pants. Yeah, I'm also not wearing shirt and pants on Friday. Cause that fucker's ring comes along and pants you. Bro, I've had so, like, I've been so, like, so much anxiety revolved like, when I was a little kid and I used to go Commando for whatever reason, like, all underwears and laundry or some shit. Like, people pants me on the regular at recess. Like, I would be like, oh my God, I'm at Commando today. Like, I am totally vulnerable to someone like, pantsing me and like, my penis being out in front of like, the entire kindergarten population. Oh my God, kindergarten. Holy shit. Nah, that didn't really happen to me. There wasn't a lot of pantsing. No pants. Not until we got old. The Jewish school. Not until we got old. Yeah, the Jewish school. Yeah, it's a weird thing. I don't know. We left our pants on. That's in the Torah. No pants. Nah, anyways. All right, that pretty much wraps it up. Anything else you wanna talk about? No. Thank you. Thank you for being on the podcast. Of course. All right, I'm blasted. I'm Will Bragg and as always, wherever we're going, we're gonna get there. Thank you guys.