TeamNade Ep24

The podcast episode discusses various topics, including watching esports events, playing Apex Legends, and the challenges of earning money in the esports industry. They also mention potential team changes in Apex Legends and the issue of esports visas. The conversation touches on the case of Most Critical, a YouTuber and Twitch streamer, who may be taking legal action against the U.S. government. The hosts also talk about the difficulty of making money in the esports industry and the changes in the Call of Duty League. Overall, they express the need for sustainable revenue generation in esports. What is happening people? Welcome back to the TeamNate podcast episode number 24 for the week of 6th of May 2024 joined today by The man, the myth, the legend Forbesy98, what are you saying brother? The legend you say? The legend Mate, there's only one legend Yeah, but I mean we our budget doesn't stretch to get him on a call so All right, so the budget gets to me that's great, that's always fantastic. Well you do it for free bro, same as me Are you trying to say I'm the wish legend? No, right, so what are you saying then? What am I saying, I'm not saying a lot I'm trying to think of something that I could say that was like mildly like insulting but not something that would make you like Like cross off the podcast immediately and just do something else for an hour Mate, we're 15 5 seconds and we've already got our lol period where you're like, ah, i'm stuck. We're done. That's it It's been a long weekend, bro What happens when you watch Esports events that take place on The west coast of america, yes, sir. I didn't even watch any esports I watched a little bit a little bit on what was it friday? Yeah a little bit on friday Yeah, but apart from that not a lot. Are you watching god? Uh, very little because every time I got home it was already I was in like the last game of the fucking series. Yeah Work on the house is taking all my time Hey, man, some things are worth putting this effort into though, aren't it? Yes, unfortunately, I don't get to watch the thing I look forward to most on a weekend I don't get to watch all of it Yeah, I get you Uh, but a bit of it. It's only for a small bit of time. It'll be over with soon, which then i'll be in my new gaff at my pc Watching them off you're gonna get 1498 streams back as well. Yes Sir, we have missed the 1498 streams. The 1498 streams will actually be decent now It should be able to stream and play the game and not be on 30 megabits per second Purchased wi-fi the other day. So on the dons, let's go man Yeah fantastic news We're getting there. We're getting there You got the soundproofing installed yet? No. No. Yeah that that's that's yeah, i've not even got that i've even like designed how my office Stream room. Yeah, i've not even decided how it's gonna be laid out yet You need to get a neon sign in the back that says 1498 and then cover the entire room with rgb leds All right, that's all great. But i've got to have i've got i'll have a rabbit in the same room as me Yeah, it'll be like being in a rave What? Oh, yeah, because oh, yeah, you know those you know, those rays they've got rabbits around them now They love the rabbits love raves never heard about the raven rabbit lad. Oh, wow. Okay, right that that that might send me over That'll send me over the edge i've walked into that one right i'll be fair right i've walked into that one like a can Oh mate like that wasn't even like a full cast into the middle of the river that was like literally just the dangle of the that no no fishing rod involved with that one just like literally a line and a hook tied around my finger just dangling above the water and That's what we catch we caught the folks That sort of fucking behavior to me is like the the folks that just water like on their phone down the street and they just walk into Like oh no what's happened? Oh, I can't ah, I can't believe I fell for that one. I want to dance sake What e-sports have you been watching then I was calling your time the aogs Year four split one Playoffs, I think was the event name. I know we literally just talked about this before we started. Uh, Recording but yeah, but yeah, it was good man. It was good. Um, maybe really well play apex again Which we did we did i'm afraid. Yeah i've been doing To be fair. I do want to get back onto that today Yeah, for sure, man I'm keen to play that until the road I think the ranks reset tomorrow but like i'm intrigued to see how high I can go considering i'm already at like I think i've already i've already reached like the max rank that i've ever reached. All right I don't think i've ever come out of bronze and apex Because I play a couple of days and then we stop playing it forever. Yeah Like we play it and then Slowly, but surely like I think it's just because like other stuff happens Because like other stuff happens in it, you know, I mean like we'll start playing it when it's kind of like All the other games are a little bit dead and there'll be like a cod update It'll be like a halo update or something like that. Yeah, I found apex is just like the Shooting and the aiming on apex is far Harder than yeah It's not as forgiving as the other games are which yeah you you have to work man like yeah So hard like And it's not it's not as simple as just shooting an aim and it's like There's half a time. You probably won't mag dump somebody to kill them. You've got to then try and reposition it. Yeah Just it's like cod but like on steds yeah, like if It feels a little bit like cod, I guess But like I think it rewards you It rewards you more if you aim like you play in halo. Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes, like Um, because a lot of it is like you can do a lot with the hip fire Which oh, yeah like I like how strong the hip fire is in it because it means that like when you close up on someone you have that like You don't have to try and like ads and track them and like unlike with cod where the hip fire can be a little bit Hit or miss inconsistent. It's just Half of them. It's not where you're where that where you think it's aiming. It just kind of plays off Yeah, yeah, or your hip fire thing will be like so big. Yeah, I mean Right, yeah, because if you move them while you're doing it, it's just going everywhere Yeah, that's the thing man, but yeah, it was uh, it was a really good event um Poor showing from tsm streets are saying there might be a team change Uh, but tsm's team change Yeah, potentially but I I don't know enough about apex like the Community and sort of like the ecosystem to be able to comment on that. Yeah Most critical is suing us immigration Which I think his case is going to be strengthened by the fact that his team quote unquote Because they weren't under contract playing at the event, but they competed as not moist which I absolutely love Um, they were in a position to win the entire thing. Okay um which I think will you know, I mean, I think Hopefully like that's going to be one to like keep an eye on definitely because like esports visas obviously have been a massive issue with everything It seems this year like obviously with um drunk in halo With a couple of the boys that play cod like, uh, was it real? Yeah visa um, and Was there was someone else as well, wasn't there? Didn't they get like deported or something? Am I making that up? Like you're making up there was another I feel like halo is the one that gets the most Yeah, because obviously there's the european teams come over. Yes, but majority of the the teams in cod are all they're all na yeah, unless you like the spanish folks that then come over but but I think that's like what's weird about it with um With drug, right? Because it's like you can't get a visa to compete in na But then he comes from apparently allegedly this is okay So he flies through the same airport that royal two does but then royal two gets a visa But then also royal two is employed by phase so that might have An impact on it I I don't know. It's a confusing situation. Apparently like that side of the immigration department is Not run very well, or it doesn't run very well. There's like Three people that are involved and like one of them's really good one of them's kind of okay and then like one of them's like if Apparently like if there's one guy replies to your email, you just automatically know that you're just not getting it according to what i've heard, um But It's what it is I suppose in it. But yeah, we'll keep an eye on that and uh Keep the people updated because I hope you know I feel like if anyone's going to do it like that guy probably has the money to be able to support a lengthy court case against the u.s government Where does he ever where did he originally come from Who most critical? Yeah, was he just twitch? He's a youtuber. I think was he? Yeah, I think he was like a youtuber and then I think he went to um, obviously started twitch streaming and then I think like his e-sports organization. Like I think he's said before like when I think there was like a big thing going on with like, um Just the right phrasing Like revenue generation for e-sports organizations and he was like, yeah, like we don't make any money like okay, we're operating out of office, but at the same time like That is The business like the way that the what the the industry set up right now. It's like it doesn't really support. Um Making money make it making money. Yeah, um, especially in like I feel like the other thing as well is it's obviously very proof reach e-sport like where like you know Hopefully like the cdl franchise holders are probably going to start making a little bit of money off of their cdl spots given the recent changes to The league from I think that's out from next year. Is it from the year after? No, I can tell you I can can confirm that it's it's one of them. Um, but you know, I mean it's like it's obviously different for e-sports, but at the same time, it's There's got to be a way to do it, right? There has to be a sustainable way for these operators to start generating revenue without um Just taking money direct to like more money out of the prize pool And I think the other thing as well is like if you take money out of the prize pool It's like well, there's no guarantee that your players are actually going to place in the money And it's like imagine like, you know, I mean face on for example Like you play for face. Halo They go to an event they finish at the lowest So they finish in the money, but at the lowest amount where it's like I don't know like two thousand dollars so they each get 500 not in not including the coach and then you have the All coming along going. Well, we want A thousand we want 50 percent of whatever you've been into straight up. Yeah, you know, I mean it's like that that doesn't really like Don't know That wouldn't cost like that wouldn't even cover like hotels for like one person. I don't think for like a whole weekend So it's kind of it is what it is. No But it is what it is one I guess we'll just have to wait and see We'll add another court case to the list I suppose we're still waiting for the the Yeah, it wouldn't be I wouldn't surprise me if that one kind of didn't go any further given the Allowances that the league has already made. Um Well when I say the league what I mean is the the company that now holds the rights to the league Because it's their show now in my opinion You know, I mean the the pimp what they called the media company that owns toronto ultra I can't remember the name Something media, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know who you mean. Welcome to the team made podcast where we do tons of preparation Not for yourself I have got plenty of information to hand out. It's not that on hand Because the last night when we did that conversation on that I had it on this on my screen So I could be like, oh, it's this I don't have that available to me just currently at this moment I could find out it would take me a minute, but I don't think it's that deep. No, I think it's not important to know Hey, but yeah, man, let's chat about halo for a sec. Yes happening in the halo this weekend. Um So we had the update on Tuesday, I think it was the ranks reset which It's been incredibly fun considering that in Most of my games so far probably about like At the very least 50 percent of the games. There has been some European competitive player of some type of renown Either on the team or against us, like I mean we've played with slg That was like that was that was in our Like first placement game go on like slg We almost lost because we were selling Oh, well, no, we won that one quite convincingly the streets. I'm boss. I mean we lost over the second round. It went Which Some hope which I I just know slg was feeling bro. I just know he was Given by how aggressive those pings were coming out Like I was pinging everything and it was like, oh my god, I think it won't play I killed it in his At one point you're oh So you were like we're probably pissing us slg off with the amount of fucking pings because every time I'm playing i'm like I ping Like two or three. Yeah Because nobody else ever in matchmaking listens to fucking pings if you spam it they go What's that noise and then look around? Oh, mate I had that yesterday like I pinged a boy who was right next to an enemy and the enemy just walked past him and got Back smacked. I'm just like Yes, sorry. I pinged the boy who's right next to a teammate and the teammate walked past him and got back smacked. I'm just like mate like What are you doing? How do you how do you miss the big floating symbol behind that rock? Can you turn that on? I don't think so I think they're just on Like I mean if I think to turn them off you would have to turn your hood off And if you're turning your hood off and playing matchmaking like you are a different type of animal Well, I mean you're either going to be like incredible And at that point like yeah, you know, I mean, I feel like if a pro player went and played without a hood they probably Do a little bit worse than they normally do but like if you're like diamond four And you've got no hood on Maybe rethink that way that um Yeah But yeah, so the update is pretty fun like getting to play different people who Are generally like I would say like a lot better than me But then like that's like the fun in it I guess is like how well do I actually like match up against these people? What are they doing that i'm not doing? um I feel as well now that like my mindset is like if I didn't like get like absolutely slammed by someone that I know is a bad player i'm not immediately just like Oh How am I supposed to compete with that? It's literally like oh, well, I shouldn't have like g split out the door Into three of them like, you know, I mean, it's literally like i'm looking at it a different way, which is good Go on, bro. What are you gonna say? Do you think that this is just because it's the placement games that everybody's low ranked or have they done what they did? The last time they did an update and ruined it. So everybody's in the same pool no, it's it's because it's um Because it's the placement games a hundred percent because I feel like a lot of these like top competitive players Like they'll only play matchmaking if that is like the last available option to play halo. Yeah, you know, I mean, um Especially like eu players and it's like I know there was quite a few American pro players that I just didn't like playing matchmaking like um penguin Didn't really play matchmaking. I don't think for like a couple of like a while a couple of seasons maybe um Rain didn't play matchmaking at all. I don't think I think all of his games were custom games. Yeah That's right. It's not it's just not it's a point where it's just not fun yeah, I think that's the thing man, like because you just have like So many people just doing like random things, you know, I mean yeah, and like if you have like Four people just g-sliding at spawns all the time But you're trying to play oddball when you've got like one donny on the ball At some point the spawn is going to flip so aggressively that you're just going to play them a setup You know what? I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's not That's not great. All right It is it is what it isn't I mean, I think that's the thing man like it's matchmaking and it like it's not like I had some guy the other day like he was just um He did he gave no call-outs whatsoever He was just on the mic complaining about the fact that he had to hold ball ball and um Talking shit to some other guy who was like he's already down the leaderboard than him And the moment that he started talking shit to him the guy picked up the sniper and got an overkill and I was just like wow Yeah, shut the fuck up, bro Shut up You gotta remember everybody in their own head is the next is the goat Yeah, he's the greatest player ever such sticks and everything. Everybody else is doing is dog shit. Yeah, exactly Like it's just one of them man. Like it should just be like well You're not going to get your perfect self all the time Yeah, and of course the boy would have got that fucking overkill and the boy that was talking shit probably went well Where's your contact then? Yeah, yeah, no, it's definitely Definitely the mentality. I don't think that guy said anything after that But like literally that is the mentality that you have to fight again sometimes I think yeah um But yeah, so that's quite fun. Uh, and then We had the Open series which after being on saturday and sunday for na last week is now sunday thursday again Which is I don't understand why they keep swapping and changing it To personally but I mean Is what it is, I suppose on it. Yeah Behind it somewhere. So the teams that have qualified for thursday in the upper bracket. We've got Space station versus rebellion and Optic sentinels Nice, which I think there'll be some pretty good games and then in the lower bracket. We've got card nine pro on gaming Phase converse is still decided still deciding. Is this collect team? And then we've got native versus reversal percy and complexity versus bittersweet No, yeah, they're playing um The collecting. Oh, sorry. My bad. It's all right So, um what what I was thinking about when you were saying that is shout out the boy ryan from proton gaming The killingest part of the one of the halo monitors or something that you managed to get one of our listeners a halo ticket At last minute. Oh that guy. That's actually wild like Man, like ryan coming through. Yeah jagged cloud on on x um my guy and then in the eu open series um Standard standard story really like foe Didn't drop them up until winner semis, but they won every single game uh quadrant didn't drop them up until the semis, but they won every single game and then quadrant three out foe in when it's finals, um And then Quadrant three wand mamma mia Sorry foe three one mamma mia who was the team that I took him up off them before and then went to the grand finals and quadrant Went back to back So I don't I don't really know what's going on with foe, um, maybe quadrant have just figured out maybe Something else going on internally, you know, I mean maybe they're testing out different ideas like stuff like that I mean this sort of thing is not really That relevant to foe at the current time Because they're still getting obviously lots of pro points because they're finishing second um, but they're already called for London because they placed top six, so it's not really a massive. Um issue not to be winning them a massive issue. Yeah This thing I was thinking about because um There's more cod side but it can be applied to halo as well that The sort of teams that are guaranteed to get to these top like the next events or like be high placing in the events Yeah, they might lose their run-up games or whatever else or lose maps But like especially for like cod specifically because obviously there's the map picks and you pick the map and the game modes You're wanting and bands and stuff else But they'll be testing out different methods and different game plays and different Team plays and different maps that they're not in their pool To see if things work and they might lose the map or lose the entire game But in actual like it's info that when they get to that major That they're all right. Well, we know that doesn't work when we know this does so let's just apply everything that works Yeah, exactly really well, but it's like On like the face of it. It looks like oh fuck. They've they've lost against quadrant again Like they're they're just getting beat constantly, but it's like they could be testing out Numerous different things to see to be better in the long run. Yeah, exactly. I think that's the thing right because like foe Don't really need They don't need victory in these three open series they don't need to win, um Next week in the qualifier You know, I mean so it's like it literally is just like an expected practice session for them It's like it's a practice with like more at stake. Yeah, which I guess because I guess it's like I feel like like I mean You kind of like three different things Within this right you have like the the scrim the online Competitive series and then like the LAN. Yeah, it's like the pace of play is going to be completely different In all three, you know, I mean it's like with a scrim. It's like well, you know I feel like you shouldn't turn up to a scrim kind of being like, ah, well in whatever You know, I mean like you've got to try but it's like that's going to be when you Learn things about your team. You learn things about the team playing the maps like the Things that work things that don't work exactly what you're saying, right? And then it's like when you go and play like online, it's like well Yeah, it's important that we get far but it's not the end of the world if we don't Especially if you like one of these top teams, right like, you know, like, um optic getting knocked out like early in the thing Yeah, I speak and it's like yeah, like okay like, you know Important for optic to look at the reason why they got knocked out and go what just happened. You know, I mean Why did this not go well like and go back to the drawing board and like rip that down and like look at it Yeah, then they can take those lessons and then they can apply them when they go to LAN Apply them when they go to LAN Where they probably are going to finish top four. Yeah, like I mean i'd say that with 95 percent certainty optic of finishing top four in london because it's like Caliber of team they are like, you know, I mean, yeah, they've got their they're a stack of World-class players, but the face of it. Yeah, they've got knocked out really early. I think it was proto that knocked about wasn't it? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, so on the face of it. They've been knocked out. It's like Yeah, I don't know they could be having a bad day, but they could have been like right we're gonna tie Trippy doing this instead of doing that. We're gonna have this and play we're gonna do all play off this or Let's try this play call. We're all doing this or doing that. It's like It's so much deeper and you're right like they've got to look at it and go right so that didn't work But what can we take away? And do change or do better that'll make that work. I mean, I think part of the thing for that optic. Um lost the pros on was that apparently They were all playing from different places, okay, so it's like trippy was in California dead zone was in seattle Uh lucid obviously always plays from florida. Yeah um Apart from I think that I think he's been to like the optics hq like a few times to play Competitively but it was like in season one i'm pretty sure when they had like the um I think they were like a hundred thousand dollar online tournaments and stuff like that. Okay, you know, I mean really important ones Yeah, yeah Yeah, like when all four of them were sat in the same room at the hex scores Yeah, because it's like it makes more sense to have all four of them right next to each other Like, you know what? I mean? This is the thing right? It's like, you know If they're playing from like all these different places in the country Like they're clearly not taking it that seriously in my opinion, you know, I mean because it's not it's not like in the uk Where like You know, I mean it's like if you have like well, it's like you're in scotland i'm in the north of england like Play with like two guys from down south. Like if we jump on a thing, we're probably just gonna ping london anyway Yeah, like you know what? I mean? Dublin or london it's gonna be dublin or london like um Or maybe amsterdam Apparently there's a server in amsterdam. I don't really know whether that's true or not. Um But you know, I mean it's like but it's it because literally like what like the uk would fit inside of texas Yeah, or something like that. So it's like the differences of scale are just so much bigger in america Like we can get down like from where I live. I can get to most of Anywhere in england within the day Yeah, exactly exactly where? You'd struggle to get between two fucking like two separate countries as long as it takes to walk from the hex quarters To the shop. I've heard It's the state of the different counties in america. You'd be spending fucking days doing it Pizza hut bro from the front door My headquarters nine hours long It's a big building bro, right but yeah, this is the thing right it's like it's not you know I'm sure foe will have something cooking up their sleeves like and they'll come out swinging in london because I think the other thing as well is that like realistically like The only competition for them in the eu is quadrant And that that is just going to keep going backwards and forwards about like who is going to be the top team You know what? I mean? Yeah, um But when it gets to lan Obviously you've got all these other teams coming over There's going to be a completely different situation Like, you know, I mean, so maybe at the moment they don't match up well against quadrant, but they might match up amazingly against like sentinels or complexity or opposite gaming like, you know, I mean like they could match up really well against one of these other teams because So it's not exactly it's like full weren't they weren't a pushover team No, no, no, no, no, definitely not and quadrant have had the potential to do that as well. They're not Again, they're not a pushover team. They're not just gonna walk off and be like, okay See like no, I hardly like 75% effort 30c later. Yeah You've got to take both of them. Seriously, like they are a serious challenge to any team and I think that's the thing right is like any team that comes over and just goes like like especially With them playing in europe anything that comes over And thinks that like ah, fuck it like we're from na We play say we scrim face con on the regs like we do. All right against them They're two times world champions the three times world champions. I will fucking no. No, you won't It's not the way it's not the way it's gonna work because you'll think you will and then it'll be game three And the chance will start you know, I mean, I don't think any any Anybody who's coming over to watch and to like to spectate or to even play the events are ready for uh A british crowd. I don't think you're ready for that. I have it on good authority that the french are Gonna be loud, bro That's always loud. Yeah, I mean they were they were loud in blackpool Like they were really loud in blackpool There was loads of them blackpool as well like literally I feel like half of the french halo community was camps in that room, but like it was like literally bro, like it's gonna be It's gonna be good i'm excited I'm excited to see what like the creativity is gonna be because I mean It's like formal gonna walk out and they're just gonna be like they're gonna hit him With the who ate all the pies like, you know, I mean Like what are we gonna say what we're gonna get oh christ imagine you imagine bro Oh, no, he wouldn't come back He doesn't even want to come. Yeah, he'd immediately go home go on stream and be like see this is why I hate london I don't be like bro. My mom doesn't even want to come over Apparently, yeah, you're scared of getting stabbed and apparently the food shit But then I mean, I don't want to go to america because i'm scared of getting shot and the food shit. So You know what? I mean? Yeah swings and roundabouts in it, I guess Yeah Oh fuck it. I'm so excited to let them to see the reaction of Yeah Yeah, I I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be incredibly loud and I think that like as with when ssg played in um, salt lake city, I think the The home support for the eu teams is going to be really big Oh, and I think the support for quadrant is going to be next level. Yeah, like Um, yeah, there's gonna be so many friends there so many friends I'm excited bro. I'm excited. I think it's gonna be class. I'm excited to see what the community can cook up I want I want to be there. I just want to be able to experience just like fucking formal again Yeah, like cockney folk coming up and talking and talk to formal So that'd be a really funny experience to witness We need to like we need to find Like the person who in the venue who has like the most rose accent From the uk. I don't know. I mean, where are we? No, I feel like even more rogue that I saw this video the day of this guy and it was I think it was filmed The 80s or something and it was like a bloke from like the boonies in yorkshire and like That guy didn't speak that that guy that guy was speaking english, but like I couldn't understand what he was saying What you're looking for is um Hot fuzz the former what's he called? Yeah. Um Arthur webley. Yeah Yeah, that's what we want you're looking for that at the venue they try to get formal Yeah Yeah, I think it's gonna be class I think it's gonna be really good Yeah, like four weeks away I think Um, yeah Uh one two three weeks on friday Is is the the day that I fly? I think you'll be flying that day as well, you know Probably yeah three weeks on friday Need to get them t-shirts sorted man. Oh, hey yo There's an inside for everybody We do need to get them sorted to be fair. I don't look at them yesterday, but I need the um, I need the master files for the old, uh The old logos, sorry, my mind completely blanked. Yeah, I need the I need the high-res logos or else It's just or else we're gonna have to go back to the drawing board with what we want to do to be fair I if like if he can't find the high-res copies of the logos, I feel like I already know what we could do Differently yeah, you know, I mean, um There's that there's an inside for everybody that we're trying to get team-made t-shirts for for ourselves Then you can uh find us in the venue That'll be fucking that'll be class. Yeah, you get one for free. Oh How many fucking teachers we bring in like am I taking a box for me? I'll get kind of take a box to the airport. I'll get done for that Well, you won't be the taker and will you it'll be me? Oh shame that no, you'll get done for it Then we'll have nae t-shirts Done for what taking a box of t-shirts to the airport. Yeah, man That's playing target. Well, to be fair. They try and damnate my watch the last time I went to the airport I was just like Oh, look, look at it's a watch bro. He's like is it though? Is it really? I'm like, yes the fuck What am I supposed to cook with? Why is it ticking? Because it's a watch Why is that thing why is it why is it ticking why is it turning what's going on? It's carrying down scaring up Them guys like bro, like they have no sense of humor Literally no sense of humor whatsoever Yeah, like I understand why But like it's just funny like The fact that they have no sense of humor is fun. Like yeah, you know, I mean Well, uh travel tips everybody never accept airdropped messages while in the airport There you go seen a video I've seen a video of a girl who got an airdrop message to her and it was uh, i'm not gonna repeat it but it was screaming about Having about having a bomb on her. Oh um Use your imagination on that one. So never accept airdropped messages to your phone while we're in an airport Just never accept airdrop messages ever The fuck I asked but you ever done it in a cinema when you start airdropping messages to like memes to everyone in our cinema It's cool. No, no, no brilliant. Honestly straight Okay I don't get anything airdrops to me bro. I don't even know how to turn that on I think it's always odd No, mine isn't mine. I think mine's turned off by default. I was Like i'm not in the middle of actually doing something bro, no, it's it's always on I swear it's always on it's not off On bluetooth, it's on. Uh, you can change the noise of airdrop receiving off. There we go You just have to turn on for every everyone for 10 minutes You give yourself a window 10 minutes if somebody don't air drop your shit class There is one other thing that I um, I want to chat about with the halo because I I didn't really like I I think this is a really good thing But at the same time I didn't really understand it So right i'm gonna i'm gonna mention it to you. Christie mystic giant is back what your opinion is, right? So the weekend before Hcs london is the hcs tune-up event So this is the 24th, yes, okay. Um, so it's the weekend after the lvt Titans of orgando as well So it's like we're pretty covered to be fair right in terms of like halo on the weekend to watch on switch Right up until the event which I think is great because it means that those two weeks where there would normally be nothing There is actually something you know, I mean, which is fantastic So we're going to get to watch two LAN events and then we're going to get to watch the main one of them um, so this is being run by european halo League or euro halo league ehl In association with the hcs and quadrant So quadrant have when they originally released the team passes for london. They held one back as a prize for a LAN event um Which was a bit? Ominous because the guy basically confirmed that it wasn't the Lvt LAN event it was for something else and at the time I was like, well I don't really see what it could be because nothing's been announced But then obviously this has now been announced. So this is this is the prize For the for the event, right? So it's a 10 team event Uh taking place in london the weekend before I don't know how much tickets like how much team passes were um but if you competed in it And you won and you already had a team pass your team pass would be refunded Right fair enough, right, okay, but like to me I I had a few questions about this because like Realistically who is this targeted at you know, I mean because If you are going to hcs london From well, I mean realistically like we've paid a lot of money for hotels We've paid a lot of money for travel and we're coming from inside the uk. So if you're coming from outside of the uk like Are you really going to be able to move that? Timing of your trip Of your trip Backwards by at least a week and be able to afford to do it To be able to attempt to compete for a team pass. So so those people are already out in my mind, right? It's not targeted for them So I in my mind right this event is targeted for teams that are local to london and can get there on the weekend before Yeah, and can then Go back on their business and go go, you know, I mean, um, but it's it's going to be expensive, right? But What if if a team goes and competes and they've already got a team pass And they they win and they win the free team pass and their team pass gets refunded What happens to that team pass There's another team pass in the mix But again, who's going to buy that? I mean, I guess one of the teams that maybe the second place team didn't compete That's competing at the tune-up, but if they already have a team pass as well, you know, I mean it's almost like I feel like they should have just excluded teams that have team passes from playing in this in my mind It's because they've also just released another load of team passes. So the bracket is now even bigger yeah, so it's like I you know, I mean I I really Like I think it's like I think it's really good because I think any more Like a showing of european halo in a land Is definitely what we need like the you know, we need more than events but at the same time it's like I think it's like I don't get who this is targeted to. I mean, I suppose like race is they in the uk is a bank holiday So it's like realistically. I mean, you know if me and you and Two of the people wanted to go and try and win a team to compete in london It's not like you gotta go to work on monday But then public transport in the uk is terrible on bank holidays. Yeah You know, I mean it's like great like yeah, I don't have to go to work on the monday But how am I getting back to manchester? Because I can't get on the train like, you know, I mean it's like I just I I doesn't It doesn't make sense as to like who it's actually targeted towards to me I feel like it's targeted to the people who can't afford to do ticket and travel and accommodation So it's like Yeah It's like it's like you can win this free ticket you can win this ticket to be a team which is obviously it's I agree with you what you're saying It's got to be say you should really be taking away the teams that already have a pass Yeah, get rid of them. I they've paid for it. That's it. This is an opportunity for like a lower Like yeah, exactly, you know, I mean I I guess maybe this is a an opportunity for like, um, obviously we have The university teams in the uk. Yeah, so maybe they go and compete. Um Here's my question. I've just had a think of go on so Is this exclusive to only european teams? No idea Okay, let's for argument's sake say it is right so you saying that folk could turn up Easily win it i'd say Hand back the money Hand back the ticket that they already had and have a free team pass Well, and there's a lesser team that don't have as much money to do So have to then go and buy themselves a ticket that to me seems fucking stupid or If it's not exclusive to european Fucking optic or phase come over a week early Well, this this is the thing right wipe the floor up get a free ticket. Somebody else has to pay for it because it's like if Quadrant A host in a boot camp. I imagine these top american teams have already been invited, right? So maybe maybe maybe they have maybe they haven't but for the sake of argument I saw like in this titans of olgando event. There is a team which is bound renegade legend in tusk And so what's to stop them from winning that because I imagine they will win that coming over here winning this event And then but they've already got there, you know, I mean they're already in because they're on teams that have already you know I mean, it's I it doesn't I mean I imagine this is something that the organizers would have thought about it must be in the fine print somewhere, but at the same time like the whole It just confuses me like the things surrounding it because it's like they're just it just seems to me that there are way too many ways for something to go wrong with The team With this team past that's just out there, right? Like if it's open if it's open to anyone worldwide it's like What's you know, I mean like what's gonna happen and plus like the other thing is as well It's like a team from like nz decided to fly over To try and win this team pass and then they don't win Because they're actually playing against Blackhand, you know, I mean when they're playing against the team that's like genuinely really really good a team of like top tier EU competitors Because I mean it's like, you know, like what happens if like jump out gang decides jump out gang already going But what if they go and go and play because they'll win? Yeah, and then you know, I mean bring ticket with somebody else has to pay for it Yeah, exactly. And then this this additional ticket I don't know how they're going to sell a team pass with a week's notice less than a week's notice when Hotel and travel gets more expensive the closer you are to the date that you want to book it for Yeah, you know what? I mean? It's really just like Oh So, you know how you were questioning what happens to that original team pass Yes, the remaining team pass will then go on sale to the general public So if the winning team has already purchased the team fast hcs will Will ensure the value of their team passes are funded to them. The remaining team pass will go on to sale I mean it not that it's any concern of the organizers, but like I feel that just puts people in like an unfortunate financial position potentially. Yeah You know what I mean, right? It's just It's like with the hcs atlanta like the dates haven't even been announced yet and it's I mean part of me is like well, we have to wait so long to get the quadrant dates Yeah It is what it is, but then also I think it's only like a month or two or something like that So it's like You know, it is kind of wild Especially if it's on the weekend that people are saying it could be on Which means that everything in america will be even more expensive anyway Yeah, because of the weekend that it's going to take but you know, I mean, it's just very just I don't know It doesn't seem as well thought out as it could be in my opinion Anyway, there's probably something that i'm missing i'm probably just you know, I mean, I can't see the forest with the trees but It seems a bit it just seems strange to me. Yeah, you know what I mean, but it is what it is, isn't it? Yeah, I mean at least I mean i'm what i'm hoping is like, you know, I turn it on on the day that it is and It's literally 10 teams That i've never heard of the players before. You know, I mean that it's 10 teams of just like People that you bump into in matchmaking all in the venue together like not actually like No, you know what? I mean? I can tell someone that's coming and hoping to get like practice online and to get a refund After after after we're done recording. I will to tell you one person that you know, that is currently registered I will tell you after recording. Okay There currently there's four attendees only one one team, but it's made up of three players Interesting Which yeah Yeah, so it right now it's obviously they're still The how long the registration is open until the 26th of may Which is the day that it? Which is the day that it fucking ends Yeah, so but right now there isn't next to nobody really signed up for it But again, the problem the problem is that it's like if you don't live in london Or anywhere near london it is expensive at the best of times and as soon as fucking companies and especially people like the the hotels and stuff around the area Understand that there's something going on at this center that they're holding me at they'll rump the prices up It's in fucking mayfair is up like it's just it's nick it's soho mayfair is off Which is spenny at the back and best of time. Yeah, it's even more expensive All right. I see the thing. I saw london is genuinely probably one of the most expensive places in the country like Yeah, so it it you know, I mean it's like and they've announced it two weeks before it plays which means that Your hotel is going to be extortionate Your food and drink whilst you there is going to be extortionate. Yeah, your travel is going to be extortionate You know what I mean like it's going to be a lot of money a big event I feel like it should have been an online event Yeah, potentially But then I guess with an online event you have all the other Issues that are associated with an online event. I mean if like i'm not gonna lie, bro You know, let's see how we stack up bro find two other people We'll go on fire and we'll see what happens like, you know, I mean but like would it be in a line? It's like literally can't afford that amount of money to go to london twice in two weeks No, like not at all Not at all I know you definitely can't because I would be in reality for you Like you've got to travel like around like what 16th of the world to get to london wherever it is There's probably a lot of a bigger Amount of the world than that to be honest with you. I feel like a 16th of the world is like 5 000 miles I don't know. I don't know how big the planet is But like I don't know man like it's just a strange A lot of it just seems really strange to me. Like I mean fair play for them for putting it on and giving other people the opportunity but like It's not been polished Let's say it's not Not fully thought out So the execution could be a lot bad. Oh, okay But Is what it is in it? Maybe it's not supposed to make sense to us. Maybe not Maybe not we're just setting off that to making podcasts, bro. So yeah, but you know, like Who's the real winner Ah, you said blown away we we put up a good fight near last So yeah, it's true top 24 May last there's only 32 teams in there, but top 24 They love us It's bad when you go over top 31st team, so That's when it's bad top 32 teams Like you was top 32 before you even load into the map Well, that's when that's where you start to that's when you're grasping at straws, but top 24 that's class. Yeah, it's not terrible For our first event of class But yeah, man, I think I think that's that's literally all the old uh Halo news the old halo news what has been happening in the call of duty. Ah, here we go the call of duty Time for for everybody's favorite time of the podcast It's the results cdl results Really need a jingle or a jingle There is that live streaming. I want a green screen behind me so I can just like be putting a suit We should get um We should just get yeah, no, i'm sure we there's something we could go We should just get that like audio clip that just goes like, you know from the tune from the cdl What the skirt? Yeah, we should just get up as it like as it transitions into me and a suit at a desk And then it just goes like results with forbes like bang bang bang Like gunshots like And then followed by the explosion What happened in the cod? What happens in the cod? Uh this week craig. I don't know I hear phase one. I don't know. I didn't know There was a dc wasn't It was a dc but for who craig forbes, I don't know I thought the game was over. I thought the game was over Uh Mate the fact that he did that like three times is the most astounding thing So much fucking trouble for the first time like yeah, i'm not surprised but also like I feel they played it off. Well, like, you know, I mean, it's an honest mistake, you know Probably not. He probably wasn't paying attention to what was going on. Also How can you hate that man? You can't no, you can't the goat of football commentary Chris cabana All right cdl results friday the 3rd of may heretics nil new york subliners subliners three optic three boston two Legion nil phase three so Three of the top four easy way easy wins I say easy optic decided to make it hard but i'm boston with a sub as well Like yeah, they had the coach shawn again for beans because beans Hurt his back. Yeah, he's back carrying too hard man. All right, what can I say? That's a different tone you took the boy When I told you on friday Ha ha ha Tell you what if beans played in a eu run event the chance definitely would be do you weigh all the pies? Gee, he probably loved that Yeah, yeah, he'd fight he'd be the one starting it He's No, it's a bit shawnee the coach was in for beans, uh for boston and he actually held his own to be fair, um took optic all the way to the game five, uh round 10 um I think it's still a little bit of work for optics to do to tidy up and all their Hard points and everything else they do love a gate. Uh, they do love a game five against search Like just seem to get taken to game five by teams that like You would assume they should be very often. I can't lie. Like it seems to be like a trend where they'll just like Like teams will just take maps off them in weird ways and you're just like well, I didn't I didn't expect that The series Yeah, like they you know, I mean they just can't like it's like they almost like they just can't No, they just seem to just let easy Rounds of goal and easy games just fall away from them Like the last time they played boston. It was three two is off game five. Um, they just Optic or nearly you can more or less guarantee up to drop a map. It's just Maybe that's like just uh, maybe that's like just their play style though. Like it's just like You know, I mean like we're gonna We're gonna concede so many points, but we're also going to score twice as many. You know, yeah Yeah, I feel there's like nfl teams that play like that without like yeah, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna concede points but like Our defense we're gonna put up so many points on you that you're not gonna be able to stop it Yeah, our defense can't stop you. But what just score far more? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Like maybe maybe that's the thing Because I feel like the thing is is like in those game five situations like Optic probably one of the iciest teams in the league. You know, I mean, yeah I mean, obviously you don't want to go want it to go down to round 11 because then you have no wiggle room To like make a mistake, but I but I guess at the same time when you've got like Teams in the league that are playing with zero mistakes That sort of like Play style and ethos is not going to win you anything. No, which I guess is kind of the problem The only thing that kind of worked in optics favor is the fact that boston are incredibly bad at search And when they lost the search the game five search That was the 12th loss in a row for search games What for um for breach for breach that is that is bad. Yeah Yeah Considering that like you're guaranteed to play search every single series So that was then tying the search record for losses at 12. Um No real issues for new york or phase kind of just easy Bang out 3-0 3-0 as I said, I didn't really get to watch Any of those games because the house was taking up so much of my time Yeah, and by the time I actually got home Like to where i'm currently at now I had to shower and then went in bed because I'd get up in the morning for the next fucking day of working at the house It's just a fucking pain in the ass Uh, we will do silly things like buy houses Yeah, I know right fucking fucking dumb cunt said that would be a good idea. I don't know Some specky prick outstanding behavior from you some specky prick that sounds awfully similar to me Ha ha ha fuck those shadow ford My twin that's exactly the city is exactly just me it's It was it was a cloning experiment gone wrong. They make silly decisions like buying houses fuck me Sign you up to uh, go and renovate a house whilst they still on a beach in Berkshire I'm gonna say barbados, but no That's really not barbados to berkshire Yeah, or worcester As well as sigmund foy Sigmund feud How did I even come up in that conversation Epic rap battles. Oh, yeah, that was it. Yeah, because you were like, oh the rap scene wasn't what it used to be And I was like, where's that big rap bottle this right? Yeah, exactly Um saturday the 4th of may, um new york subliners three legion nil phase three ravens one lag one optics three again pretty standard Phase subliners and optics plays on both friday and saturday. Yes. That's a wild I feel like they had just like games light like obviously you've got to play a certain amount of games before the major. Yeah Yeah, they just have to get them out of the way and you got to play everybody at least once I think So this is the time that all their games seem to land on the friday and saturday Which was quite fun If if the one weekend I wasn't able to watch any of them was like probably the best games to be watching Yeah, what's the top three teams? Back to back to back. Yeah Yeah, for sure. Um Sunday the 5th of may we had heretics three surge two rocker Yeah rocker nil ultra three boston one lat three Um, so that means boston Make it 13 games of search no wins to make it the new cdl record Of the amount of losses in a row So it's a record breaking roster then Honestly, so fucking dog shit. They just can't fucking do the right i'll explain to you Why the that search particular? Right was a fucking Stupid and I mean stupid fucking idea, right? I think snoopy is a really good young prospect player Right puts up fucking kills puts up the numbers puts up the damage gets lots of non-treated kills Now, I don't know who igl's in that boston team when beans isn't there and fucking sean is on it I don't know who's made it made that decision to do this play might have been snoopy himself high rise they're on the What's the fucking what's the best side they're on defense side So, you know you got like the head like the mid teddy like the the spawn heady Do you know I mean you're you're on tanker side With high rise With yeah with the shack and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so they're on that they're on defense Really good for high rise and you're you're around 11 Snoopy decides that this is I don't know if it was him or whatever He decides this is the day this is the perfect time to be super aggressive under Bottom red from their side to their side to get into their bottom Door bottom red door to try out come behind them. Did he just get beamed as soon as you try to go in bottom blue? He got all the way up into their spawn brilliant Get spotted back of their spawn. So at this point lat no snoopy's in behind we can isolate him Takes him straight out of the fucking map. They trap him in the bottom door. They go in to kill him Obviously he's shouting out for help because he's trapped and he knows he's about to get fucked up Somebody comes over to help him. They wipe both of them This is Round 11 and this is like you need to win this to say this is 2-1 in the series round 11 This is you got to win this To break your curse and to keep this fucking seat this map this match going And you do the most aggressive play that is like a round one play I mean to be honest with you like if he's already isolated and asking for like I feel like that you know, I mean because lat are obviously going to try and put two men on him at least because they can't Take more like they can't take too many people Right So it's like they're gonna put two men on him Which leaves it as a 2v3 on the rest of the map. So why like They didn't just try like either try and like just full send to help him out and Make that as like a 3v2 or a 4v2 On the ice on the two guys isolating him or just even to die and then Aggressively push the other two guys like, you know, I mean it's gonna make it a 3v2 trade He's just Watching it. It was like he's a really good young. I think he finished 12 and 7 or 13 and 7 11 non-traded kills Yeah, brilliant, but He's he's he's playing too aggressive and he's trying too hard In that situation. Yes I don't know. Like I said, I don't know who makes the play calls or who did that call or was like, right? I'm gonna go help him in this situation You've handed this game away and then it just proves that it just shows that There's a reason why you're on a 13 loss streak in search. I mean like the wild thing is is like Aside from that there seems to be such a big disparity an even bigger disparity in the team quality this year Yeah, you know, I mean, I mean it's all you always have the optics and the phases are always going to be the better teams because They can probably attract better talent and they probably have more money to spend yeah, but at the same time like It's wild the difference in quality of the teams this season It's a bit just like the bottom the bottom teams just seemed boston specifically boston have always been Okay. Yeah Like a mid-table team. Yeah Normally, they're normally they're a mid-table team. They can do all right They can do all right, they can take off big maps off people but like it's just this this is Who's on the only people left on their team currently is prista and snoopy from the original team even the coaching staff Shawnee is new they got rid of the whole fucking coaching staff And it's like their excuse was like, oh, it's we're halfway through the year already. We've only got four majors We've got to make drastic changes. It's like, okay. Yeah, right. Yes Sound thinking gotta make drastic changes to ensure we get the champs There's tries to one before the entire thing Drastic changes to get to fucking champs and we've only got two majors left to do it. You've made the changes And your changes have actually negatively impacted your team because you're bottom of the fucking table Yeah, you're about to go to major three bottom of the fucking table like what Like I get that you can't stick with the same roster throughout because shit isn't working and it's not going the way you want it To or there's internal issues What do you think slasher came out and said that nobody knew the rotations on certain maps or nobody knew the spawns on certain maps yeah, because I I watched that, um slasher interview with it was like tactical rab tray and I don't know who the third guy was Um, the one where they got sensor was there wasn't it? Yeah that where they they got Doug martin and yeah the end because he was in the chat and like slasher was talking shit and he was like, yo, give me the call and then he came in and they went at it, but like I like I was out right and like i'm pretty like who was that team before it was sasha priester snoopy and Who was their fourth um Caps it off was originally captured. Yeah caps it all and then didn't it go to atom Yes, right like and in that yeah like Smasher was like snoopy is the guy that is not ready to play In this yeah, he's not cdl ready because so like when he was talking about like Rotation stuff i'm pretty sure it was snoopy that he well, he didn't name them But he was like, I think you can work it out and I feel like it was Through the context understood that it was snoopy, right? Yeah Which fair enough like snoopy's a franchise guy they want to build around him They feel like he brings a lot to the table like, you know, yeah, he's a prospect player like it's long long term I just think he he's like very raw clearly Yeah, and like they need to put Better people around them to get success but like this this leads me on to like the next point, right? the quality of The player available for a cdi, sorry the talent pool for cdl teams to call up seems really wide But incredibly shallow. Yes, like there just doesn't seem to be Anyone like I mean, I don't watch challenges, right? So I don't know if there's like some there could be some like good men from the gully side in challenges That they could call up and just put on a team and then you just go and rinse everyone but at the same time it's like If that's true, then why has it not happened? like what like What is the problem, you know, I mean like I think this is like Closed esports is that you don't ever have any like because team a player coming from challenges You're never really sure how they're going to stack up against The top and atlanta phase. Yeah, because they never get to play players of that quality. Yeah So it's like in like a competitive setting like yeah Play eight, so maybe they'll be rated by the top players But you never actually get to see them in a straight up four before competitive settings Testified where you can really see and watch them showcase their abilities, right? And so it's like it just creates this like ecosystem where there is no options and no one can Be called forward like, you know, I mean no It's no one's like playing their way into these teams because there's no It's like literally like you need to take like a really big step up from being at the top of challenge unless you're like Some sort of like freak on the sticks And you're just naturally like that talented and you are that guy like You literally like You get into the cdo you have to take a massive step up in terms of like the level that you're playing at But But at the same time like teams want results Yeah, you don't have the opportunity to Develop as a prospect, I mean like obviously like the franchising model follows like The model of american pro sports, right? So like if we look at the nfl, yeah If you're like a fifth round draft pick Then more than likely like so like if you're like say you're a quarterback, right? You're drafted in the fifth round Um, you're more than likely not going to start in your first season. Yeah Because maybe you are the most mechanically gifted guy in the world But your game sense and your decision making and stuff like that is incredibly raw and they need you to Develop behind someone else. I mean like fuck it bro, even quarterbacks taken in the first round like that You know, I mean they'll sit them behind like a veteran quarterback to learn the game from and like understand the caliber of player They're going against and uh the ways in which they need to elevate their play Yeah, like you don't get that with the cdo. No, it's literally like oh you you were you were a top gunman in challenges Welcome to boston bridge By the way next week you play phase on the friday. You play optic on the saturday. Then you play subliners on the sunday um We're counting on you to make a difference Yeah, you have like three weeks to prepare. You know, I mean and it's just like well There's no there's no way that like That change is going to happen in that time period. No, especially when these players are just constantly playing the best of the best You know what? I mean? Yeah, like Probably the reason why phase are so good is because they're getting incredibly high quality practice So then they're already they're always being pushed to the absolute limit So they're comfortable Playing at the peak of you know, I mean like they're playing like literally lights out all the time because that's The system that they've developed that's what they have to do like You know, I mean, it's it's just I don't know man. I just feel like it just doesn't work kind of like The way into the cvl is incredibly you've got an incredibly incredibly thin ice to perform Amazing Otherwise you sink you're you're breaking you're gone Look at look at asim. He was in in model for two. He was on rate He was on london royal ravens fair enough. Raymond's not the greatest team, but he stayed on the ravens the entire year Yeah, and i'm like he was always like I remember right like because we uh It was like one of the first cdl events. I ever watched right? I'm, like we were sat on the mic and london were playing and I was and it was like london Some other like global level team And I was like, oh like it was to watch out for area And then on the on the broadcast They were talking about what a sick player asim was and like how he's the x-factor for this team and you know How he's like the best player in the lobby and should be on a better team, but like he is you know, I mean, it's just like You know obviously the More for two ends. He doesn't get picked up by an org He ends up going into challenges And then he gets picked up by boston who gave him one two games to join it to play the team And then they'd been him off Yeah, and then he's back to challengers and then he gets picked up by legion fair enough He's he's still on legion as of this as recorded as a as at the time of recording But I don't know how much longer that's going to last because legion aren't doing Aren't playing great Yeah to back-to-back losses in spades in new york fair enough before that Um, i'm going to quick check back a three no loss to surge. Yep And then a three nil loss to optic So it's like how much for how many how long are they going to give us him to perform before they go? You know what? No And it's that that's the sort of thing you've got to deal with and if you're a rookie coming in unless you're lighting the world Up and people see the potential in you to do. Yeah to be the next best thing Which I think they're giving snoopy this opportunity They're keeping him on this team because they think he's going to be the next big thing. Yeah, they think he is the He is a phenom. Yeah, you've gotten there's no fucking room for error and as you say you're playing against top teams constantly and if you can't Hit it with the big big boys. You're back down to challengers and even challengers is a highly competitive thing as well and getting into the cdl and into challengers and incredibly difficult and Hidden way I feel because you've got to do game battles or whatever It's called now and play the two by two tournaments and then you've got to hope that you get spotted Yeah, this is the thing man. Like it's literally like I mean, obviously There's there's unlike halo there's no open bracket no and it's and and this is the problem right is like with the open bracket The best players Will perform the best And therefore they will improve their team's chances of progressing further into the tournament, right? So it's like, um, you know, for example, I can't remember what the the organization was but like the jackson on board team Making it into pools yeah, okay, they got there and they didn't do very well, but like the fact that like someone like jackson as Practically an unknown quantity has managed to get recognized by former pro on board Plus his teammates get onto that team play all the way through the open bracket on a friday To get to the pool play on a saturday and even be in a position To showcase his skill against the top teams in that pool Yeah, it's fun. It's amazing. You know, I mean it speaks volumes about the quality of player that he is Whereas you this is not a thing in the cdl like it it baffles me Baffles me Like it really does baffle me like I mean, I feel like the only way that they could fit would be to eat. I know i've seen a lot of talk about um, Bringing back like pro-ams and stuff like that Yeah, um, but then also would be to require Every cdl team to For their substitute spot to be a rookie And then require the rookie to play x amount of games In the season. Yeah, you know, I mean Like I think that's the only The only way that it would work So I just don't I just don't see it working I don't know the the as you said the closed ecosystem and this is just it's fucked as an entire system. It's just fucked Um It it just it just doesn't work because unlike franchise like Like professional sports there is no Like with like franchise professional sports right like I feel like the nba and the nfo work pretty similarly where you'll have like um You know you'll have like the depth chart and then so like you have like the first string guy and the second string guy and then Like maybe towards the end of the season like you, you know You put your rookie on the field or like if you're winning a game massively and you want to see what you've got from your rookies You just go. Oh, you know what joe burrow get off the field Mike McCarthy like you're going in bro Like, you know, I mean you're gonna play quarterback because we've already won this you have 15 minutes to do whatever you want Show us what you've got. You know, I mean like In the um in baseball obviously like when players are drafted they go and play on a minor league team Yeah However long right and then maybe they get called up when they go into the depth chart and they see what they get like You know, I mean um, I think it's the same with hockey like they Get drafted by like just say they get drafted by the capital go and play for the capitals minor league themers and then They do bits then they are so okay. Cool. Like so you're going to be on our depth chart for this game You're going to be like third line And then they'll get game time, right? Which is important to see what to see exactly what it is. They just invested it And it works really well because then you know, like okay cool well this guy, you know, he's really good But he needs a little bit more refinement. So what are we going to do with him? We're gonna you know, I mean like you can put game plan you put time together to like develop the player whereas like with this like There is no opportunity for that This was really really weird man that like they've decided to build it in a way that like no no, sorry No, it's not weird because it's painfully obvious as to why they've decided to build it in this way. Yeah They built it in a franchise Because they believed that that's where the money was and they did not care about the Sustainability or the long-term implications of operating the league in that model they didn't give a shit Because all they saw was yeah, we'll just have 12 teams with 25 million dollars each Money let's go And we'll get this and we'll get that and we'll get the other and all of that stuff that can all be figured out by the players and the teams and All this that on the other and it's just like whatever like cool. Yeah Um, so as we're talking um Breaking news um Awesome is being replaced Um, he's being replaced by at johnny on x which I think is gm gm gm Yeah Some a 20 year old uh boy from challengers Just send me send me the thing bro. Um So that was uh It's wild in it like it's wild bro At the time of recording he's still there. Oh, howdy god, okay All right. It's so changeable. Like this is it just shows it just it's it just Proves what we're saying. Yeah Four games awesome played they've signed some guy from challenges who they think is going to save them And they think he's going to be able to come in and step up to the plate and yet like Do we do we know like, you know, I mean do we is there any way for us to know whether this is true or not? I mean, okay fair enough. It works for optic with ghosty. Yeah ghosty came in He was really good ghosty still in the league he's still really good like You know what I mean Fuck it. It's just that this is I mean like as we got like two or three games on boston breach He's now had given four games on legion and he's been burned off again There's almost so many times phase black are going to make a space for him before they go. Are you wanting to stay? What's going on because we can't keep just picking up around like picking up folk dropping them off because you've come back Have you seen this guy's pinned tweet, bro? um Who this johnny geyser I He hasn't got a pin into it. Has he not? No, he just he just for me Uh, not to me. I know. Wait a minute F Oh, it's because posts are sorted in a really weird way Nice, well 24th of this november 2022 dug is hitting new rounds. He dropped 28 and 9 Against what i'm assuming must be boston breach academy a 250 to 44 hardpoint went on bremberg hotel And doug drops a 4 and 22 Nice but again, like What What what you know, I mean Oh, well, well, there's some nice breaking news. Good timing Uh, what we're gonna do is we're gonna quickly run through the fixtures for this upcoming weekend. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh Yeah This guy was signed by paris legion For stage 4 in 2022 apparently apparently so he must be he wasn't he never played so he must have been on the bench Na challenges cup number 11 champs with close to fellow And it's smart. I mean, I guess this was a pro-am but yeah, like i'd But it's you know, I mean well, you know, hopefully he does well we'll have to wait and see Exactly what it is that they've just That they've signed to like, you know, I mean exactly what it is that they get for their money Like we'll have to see And obviously it's like, you know Is the first question is he a good man? It's looking like he's a good man online. Okay, cool. How's he gonna do? When's the plan bro? And they're making a team change Well, so the upcoming fixtures we got this weekend and then the weekend after that is major three in toronto Wow, so very quickly for For these upcoming fixtures keep an eye out for for legion in this list. Okay Friday the 10th of may ultra versus boston and then lat versus surge. Okay saturday the 11th of may boston versus legion Okay rocker versus ravens surge versus phase And then sunday the 12th of may heretics versus lag Ultra versus new york subliners, which will be the big game for the weekend. Yeah, and then lat versus optic Well, I mean he's getting one competitive series and before he goes to that competitive. It's boston He's been League boston. Well, I mean preseason Formerly boston. That's who he's that's his that's his only game. He's getting in the run-ups of the major nice little warm-up I mean, it's not gonna look good for vegas, is it if boston come out swinging and beat him legion or second bottom But like this is not fucking what are we doing like This is all in their fucking push for champs. This is all it is, but it's not gonna fucking work It's just not it's just gonna come up fucking short It's not working. They've made again. It's another team. They've made too many fucking changes. The only people that are still on that team are um fucking Attach and There's actually anybody else on that fucking team apart from attach Who's on fucking legion, you know, they need to sign who's that monster shop They should sign monster, bro If they want to get to champs sign monster Because as we know monster is the goat online I feel like it won't even matter which game he's playing because he's got that secret sauce You fucking hope so that's what you mean Well, I hope monster's got a secret sauce. Yeah, you hope monster definitely does have the secret sauce Monster is actually really good, bro Attach is the only person that's left on that vegas legion team, by the way. That's amazing. It's now attached geo fucking johnny and Who's the fucking other donna they've got in now, I fucking can't remember anymore It's just j they've chopped and turned it so fucking much and the point is now nobody fucking knows who's got their team because They got rid of purge. They took on geo Got rid of fucking awesome. I don't fucking know anymore. Honestly, it's fucking The team is just fucking like as we've discussed before when they're making their fucking intro videos Like that's shit. They got rid of Like their intro video is just gonna be and then four gameplay clips three gameplay clips Like At this point they should just make them go and do it make a trickshot and montage all four of them Right like tonight And then just play that as their intro like just do that You know, I mean Yeah, because that'd be way cooler than just having Attach and then just like three cdl skins rinsing people on the map And plus aren't all the clips from those taken from Um league games as well For those intro videos. So the only ones that are going to be new guy is from the game against boston Yeah, so if so, if he doesn't pop off and he doesn't do well What are they going to play to introduce him? Fuck knows just beans gunning him. All right fuck Oh, I can't be arse a fucking legion anymore, man Just fucking top it and turn it. It's just the cdl man Like it just it the the way it is made just that it doesn't vibe with me at all Like yeah You know, I mean it's where you have a halo man I think that's like one of the things that I like about apex Competing at this apex on that weren't signs of walks, which means that like those players have just played their way in To a lamp like, you know, I mean, yeah, like that's How it should be, you know, I mean like as as a player if you are Naturally, well not even naturally like if you aren't that good And you can team with people that are that good. There should be an ecosystem There should be a path available to you for you to go and play at the biggest of events Like with the um with the war zone thing You know what I mean I don't know how many teams actually got to go to land that played in that world series of war zone Online thing that was out. Yeah but like It's really good that they had that because it like I think the other thing as well is right is like with the cdl right like If there was a clear pathway for you getting into it A play like a way to play into that Like play your way into it, right? Mm-hmm. I feel like it'd be way more like Popular In my opinion not just as an entertainment product as like an actual thing. You know, I mean, right? you know because it's literally just like Imagine like if they could close the thing on a sunday and be like and now you can do it too Like sign up for next week's Whatever You know what? I mean? And then it's just like oh fucking hell like yeah, what are you doing saturday, bro? You're trying to play these like sweaty eights games. Like let's go bro. Yeah, like but no, that's not a thing. No It's just so you want to be in the cdl, okay grind this challengers thing for three years of your life Maybe you'll get noticed by a team that can make a run Then maybe you will I mean, I guess that's the way it is all the time Anyway in it for these open esports, but like the point still stands like the fact that you there is no clear pathway into it Makes no sense. No in my mind, but it's not going to change anytime soon, unfortunately Well, it might do I doubt it. Come on now. Well if it collapses maybe but Which i'll wake up praying for every day right Right, that's it for the cod. I think that is a pod unless you've got anything else you want to add Uh Go panthers Okay, class, right? Thank you very much everybody for listening. Uh, please like share get it out there. Let us know what you think. Um At have at teamwork team need pod on x and We will catch you next week For another one of these amazing episodes of us chatting shit Monodont