TeamNade Ep11

In this podcast episode, the hosts discuss various topics related to the Call of Duty community. They talk about Doug "Sensor" Martin's retirement from Call of Duty and his plans to break the world record for pull-ups. They also mention some roster changes in the competitive scene, including Eric "Boom" replacing Journey on the Miami Heretics roster and LAT making changes to their team. Overall, they discuss the recent happenings in the Call of Duty community. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to the Team Nade Podcast, episode 11, February the 5th, 9 o'clock in the evening, joined today by the man himself, Brian Oob. How are we doing, Jaine? I'm good, man. I'm not too bad. I've got some interesting things to talk about today. I'm very excited to get into it, very passionate about a topic I'm going to be bringing to the table. Oh, yes. I've had a little sneak peek of it yesterday. It's not the Carolina Panthers, don't worry. We don't talk about them. I sat out of the way, boxed off 30 seconds in Panthers, they're still shit. That's boxed off until next season. Remember what podcast we were here, if we want to start an NFL one, come in soon. It's just Jaine for an hour and a half to me ranting about how bad the Panthers are and how sick McAfree is. Yeah. Should have never let him go. Shut up. I almost fell on that then. Let's keep moving. I was ready to be like, we actually shouldn't, bro. But no, that's a different topic. I've already got him. This could be a fun episode already. Already riled. How's your week been? It's been alright, man. It's not been bad. I had a pretty nice chilled start weekend. Obviously the Halo's back, which is gas. I was enjoying watching that Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, nothing else really to report. What are you saying, Raz? How's your week been? Mine's been alright. I don't have anything big to report. It's been a chilled weekend. I actually took time and watched the Halo, because obviously I didn't have the COD. But it's been a good weekend. Fantastic. So, as I say, there's not been a lot of COD. I feel like there hasn't been a lot of COD, but what there has been has been pretty big. You know what I mean? It's like small bits of news. Yeah, there's little bits of roster mania here and there. Speaking of which, last week we did the podcast, and as soon as it ended and I got it uploaded, instantly there was a breaking news. Straight up. Remember the little 1v1 tournament that we did between us, the three of us? Yeah, man. Instantly, the news broke that Doug Sensor-Morton had finally retired from Call of Duty. He's retired to focus on his career of trying to break the world record for pull-ups, that he's been dreaming about since he was 11, I think. Yeah, I heard he said he's been dreaming about it since he was 11. Which I find mental, because at 11 I was too busy playing my Legos, let alone going, you know what I want to do with my life? Break the world pull-up record. First of all, yeah, the GOAT is no longer amongst us. Isn't he died? Let's just make that clear, he's just retired. He's not playing in Challengers anymore, which is sad to see, to be honest, because I was a big fan of what he was doing in Challengers. I feel like, to be honest with you, we've had this conversation about Doug Sensor-Morton a few times. I personally feel that his role on the Boston Breach Academy was exactly where he was supposed to be in his career at that time. I know he obviously was saying he wanted to get back to the league and this, that and the other, but if you look at the players that have played with him on Boston, and when they go to the league, they're actually quite good. You know what I mean? I feel, you know, from where he was, it was a good place for him, it was a good place for everyone else. I think for him specifically, I feel like he was in that, he was obviously playing in the top section of COD for a good few years. He kind of dropped into that academy, sort of like the mentor of the group, the veteran of that academy group, which I think helped the rookies of that group grow and become better. More noticeably, Snoopy, he was playing with him when he was on Boston Breach Academy. Yeah, Snoopy, Ghosty, Kremp as well was on Academy, wasn't he? Yeah, Kremp was as well. You know what I mean? I love the boy Ghosty, the guy's a straight killer, but like, you know what I mean? It's a sad, sad, sad day when Doug Sentamai hangs up the sticks, but hopefully he breaks that world record. I'm excited, I'm excited to see, I'm guessing he'll probably live stream his attempt. I think so, I think he might have to because unless, I know like a while ago he tweeted that the Guinness people, I don't know, right, here's a question for you. Is the Guinness World Records made by the people that make the drink? Are they separate entities? I feel like that it's, I always want to say that it's not separate entities because I always feel like it's the same. I remember hearing something that they're like very similar. It's like Michelin who make tyres and Michelin who star restaurants, they're apparently the same entity. Might need a VAR on that one, but that's what I thought. There you go, I've done the quick VAR check on the history. The managing director of the Guinness breweries, Hugh Beaver, started Guinness World Records. So yes, they are connected. That's sick to be fair. As a little marketing thing, Guinness World Records, he's locked in, he's definitely locked in, he knows what he's doing. Hugh Beaver had the idea and then Guinness employees, Christopher Cataway and University friends Norris and Ross McVuritor, who had been running a finance agency in London, then they made it all a possibility and made it a thing. So yes, Guinness and Guinness World Records are connected. Hey, we love that. Shout out Guinness, man. Class, class drink. It's not for me. It's not for everybody. I just don't like beers though, do I? It's a stout though, you know what I mean? I don't care what it is, but I don't like it. Don't care. So the record currently for the pull-up stands at 8,600. Yeah, because that got broke literally just the other day, I feel. Yeah. I feel like because, this is what I was going to say about the Guinness people, right? I feel they sent him like, it was either like an application pack or he got a letter from them confirming that they understood his like declaration of intent to try and break it and they were taking it serious. Like they were taking him as like a serious competitor. Yeah. So with the live streaming thing, unless they're going to send someone round to his gaff to stand in that small room with him. For 24 hours. For 24 hours to make sure he's doing every single pull-up correctly. Or they're going to take him from his gaff and he's going to go to like, I don't know, he's going to go to like a LAN event for doing pull-ups. I think he'll end up going to somewhere to do it because it's got to be in their conditions and it's got to be the same conditions to the record. You know what I mean? So they pay for being in control of it instead of him being like, oh, like setting the bar like a couple of centimetres lower so it's easier for him. You think he'd do that though? I remember, I remember when we were watching the first time he was doing his pull-ups, he had the bar set wrong. He wasn't doing a full, it wasn't fully coming down. It was too low. I remember him doing that and he changed it because it was just slightly too low. So he was getting away with like smaller, um, like, like the coming down off of it. Right. You heard it here first people, Doug Sensor Martin, he's cheating at doing pull-ups. Renowned for being able to spot hackers on COD. He busted him. So he... For fuck's sake. So in May he'll be trying that apparently, which will be interesting to witness. Good luck to him man, I hope he breaks it. We'll wait and see. I hope he breaks it and I hope he comes back and I hope he... Remember the state of his fucking hands? Yeah, like, so I was watching, um, I was watching like a video, I can't remember if it was a video or a stream the other day, and some guy was saying that like the fact that he was putting in the level of training that he needed to do to, you know, like, cause I, we've watched the streams in it, like we've seen him doing like however many pull-ups it is and he goes through all the stages of like... Emotion. Emotion just in like a three hour period, like, you know what I mean? Um, but like the fact that he was doing that and then screaming, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, and his hands were melted, like they were murdered, his hands were just gone. Like, he had like, do you remember that photo of like, um, when he had that big cut, like around his thumb on the palm of his hand? Yeah. Like that, like, bro, how, like, I cut the, like, I burnt the pad of my index finger the other day and I was like, it's over for me, I can't play. You know what I mean? And this guy's got like half of his hand missing, no skin on the palm, like, and he's just like, nah, I'm ready. Like, different breed, man. And that's why we're not in the league. No, we're not in the league because we're too old, bro. What are you on about? Wait, you're going to go through challenges now at 25 years old? Yeah, latecomer, you know. Like Newton Dance, like Bloomer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Oh, man, I'd support it, man. Yeah, of course you would. On the main stage with a fuck-all flag. Team Neds. 40, 98, forever. Yeah, then you can go and join Toronto Ultra, bro. Yeah, get the real villain arc. You and Scrap, shit-talking kings. Yeah, you know. Other odd news over this week. It's mostly just been roster mania news after the major. So, we're going to run through this. Eric Boom is apparently rumoured to replace Journey on the Miami Heretics roster. He was a substitute, wasn't he? He was on Miami last year? Yeah. Okay. So, obviously, this is a really, really shit major. Two 3-0s straight out. Two maps. Didn't even fucking look close. So, they're just looking to do a quick... That's the rumour, anyway. It's not confirmed. They're just going to do the switch. This is the time to do it, especially after that poor of a showing. Actually having such a strong online section as well. LAT, they released Kame, and then they moved Jodeci to substitute. Jodeci then joined FaZe Black with Geo, because LAT picked up Kremp and Nasty to replace both of them. I like it. With that as well, because obviously there's FaZe Black, they won it with Asim. Gone to Boston Breach, because Boston Breach released Capsidou, which to me is an improvement to their situation. Same with Kremp and Nasty and LAT. I'm not too sure about Nasty against Kame, but Kremp's definitely an upgrade on Jodeci, in my opinion. The thing with Capsidou is I feel like he's one of those players that when he figures it out, he's going to be right up there. Yeah. Personally, I think that... I don't know if you've seen that clip of the Geezer, and he's like, he needs to figure out some stuff in-game, and then he made a comment which he probably shouldn't have made, so I'm not going to say it. But when it clicks, I think he's going to be a top gunner. You know what I mean? I feel like he's just a little bit too young just now to go through the challenges a little bit more in-game coming. Potentially. I mean, how old is he? I feel like he's young, like late teens, early twenties. Really? Yeah. I don't think he's that old. He looks old. I thought he was a bit older than that, to be fair. But he's a big guy, isn't he? I'll have a quick gander if I can see. He's tall and stuff, isn't he? Capsidou. See if I can spell his name, but I'm fucking... Capsidou, here we go. He is 21. Oh yeah, so he's young then, yeah. Yeah, for sure. A year in challenges, maybe? Yeah. If someone picks him up, though, this is the thing, man. Streets are saying that some teams in the league might be making a move for him. I reckon. Who would pick him up? Well, interesting you say that, because Surge are apparently exploring options to replace Illay for Stage 2. Yeah. Now that's an interesting one. Yeah, I don't know if that was based off of a poor performance, or based off of certain interviews that were wild. It's got to be the interviews, man. Everything I've personally heard about Seattle is the changes they're making are not gameplay-based. Our cities are staying. He had a really bad Major. Yeah, he just looked so past it. But the videos of Illay on stage for those interviews are funny to watch, but also extremely worrying. But he did come onto Twitter and was like, yeah, it was just caffeine. I was like, how much caffeine are you having to be that pinging? I don't think I've ever experienced that. I've never had that much caffeine to the point I'm buzzing that hard. Well, it depends, doesn't it? Also, the one where he was all over the place. You know, the one, right? They've just beaten someone as well, haven't they? You've got to look at it. He probably is hyped up on loads of caffeine because there's performance-enhancing reasons as to why you would be hyped up on caffeine at an event like that, right? Also, you're online and you've just beaten a team, so you're going to be gassed up and hyped up because of that. And then you're on stage in a room full of people cheering, being interviewed by that guy, Guy Blaze. See what I did there? Yikes. It's just rude, man. I come with the zingers every day and you just don't rate it. When are you getting the dreadlocks? When am I getting the dreadlocks? Yeah. What are you on about, dreadlocks? I want to see you turn into Guy Blaze, like the white Guy Blaze. Oh, no, I could not do that, bro. That guy's got drip I can't pull off after this. I'd like to see you with dreadlocks, I think that would be really funny. No, I'm not getting dreadlocks. That's not happening. You get cornrows. No, I'm not getting cornrows. Or, like, 06 Beckham. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's not happening, man. Like, go on holiday and you get the wifey's that do it. I'll do cornrows to your hair. Oh, when every girl in primary school would come back and their hair would be nuts. Yeah. No, that's not happening. Yeah, like, I feel like, you know, it could be Adderall. It could be the situation combined with the amount of caffeine he's taken. It could be all of it. It could be none of it. Like, I don't know. You know, I do think that... I feel like esports has obviously got a massive problem with Adderall specifically. Yeah. My understanding of the Call of Duty league is that they can test for it, but they can't test for dosage. And my understanding of... This might be wrong, because this is only here, so... My understanding of... Because if you have a prescription for it, obviously they can't penalise you for taking it. And apparently, it isn't that difficult to get a prescription for ADHD medicine in America. Right. Personally, I wouldn't know. No. But that's what I've heard. So... Word on the street. So it's like, you know what I mean? Even if you can test them, and I think they do test them, there's no way for you to be able to do anything about it anyway. Yeah. Realistically. And within the current framework, it obviously has to all be completely redone. But then you get into the different realm of, like... It takes it into a different thing, you know what I mean? And given the current direction of esports as an industry, obviously we've just seen loads of people get laid off at Call of Duty and Activision Esports, Overwatch Esports has been downsized massively, the direction is not looking like it's going towards increased professionalization. No. Of the type of which you would need to carry out drug testing on that scale. Yeah. Unless they get someone like USADA in or something like that. You know what I mean? But, you know, I don't know. It's a difficult situation, I think. It depends on... I feel like the people that are around ELE and are seeing that entire time will know the full story and the full extent of what's going on. Yeah, 100%. Because, I mean, if you were, I don't know, a decision maker at Seattle Surge, after seeing that and seeing what everyone has said about it... Yeah, it's not a great... Would you not take him to one side and be like, yo, like, do not lie to me, or else you're done. Yeah. What the fuck is going on? You know what I mean? Because it's literally... Shit. I almost kicked my radiator over. Because it's literally, you know, it's business, isn't it? You know what I mean? It's a franchise league. Everything is a business decision. They don't want that. No, they don't want that. At all. No, no, no. That's not good for business. More business talk coming later. Yeah, optics. Going back to optics in a little bit. Yeah. Hold that thought. Well, very quickly, I've only got one last bit of the news. Ravens released Real due to visa issues. The visas claim another. Oh my God. Another esports professional told no. I saw a tweet about that, and it was like, wouldn't you think they'd get him a visa before employing him? And it's like, yeah, actually. But I feel like if he's that good of a player, you'd grab him before anybody else could, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. It's just one of them, man. It's surprising that they haven't been able to sort that out. They need to get on to my amount of native gaming. It seems a little bit strange that, like, the Spanish donkeys are okay getting visas, you know what I mean? Yeah. And they're living in Miami and whatever else, and they've got visas, but then all of a sudden this real boy isn't allowed. When, obviously, there was all the visa issues with the Halo players. Yeah. A lot of, like, Druk, for example, right? He was trying to get in on a, I think it was an athlete visa. He was told that Halo didn't have enough, like, commercial viability or, like, viewership or something like that. It was something specific to Halo as to the reason why they wouldn't approve him for an athlete visa. Right. The thinking at the time was that if it was Call of Duty, if he played COD, he would have no issues because Call of Duty is fucking massive. Everyone knows Call of Duty, you know what I mean? Like, clearly that is not a hard and fast rule. If this guy, because like you said, you've got Hydra is French. Is it Linz? Is that what he's called? Linz is French, yeah. He's French. The entirety of Miami is Spanish. Mm-hmm. Like... Before Kami was taken off LAT, he's Scottish. Yeah, Scottish insights from England. Kleenex is Norwegian, I think. Yeah, he's from somewhere in that part of the world. You know what I mean? There's a couple of them. Asim, for example, he's Canadian. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, I don't really get where this is... Why certain people get it and certain people don't. Like, there was a Halo player recently that has got his visa approved to go and play at events in America. Yeah. Great. The reason he didn't have his visa before was because he's from Colombia. And obviously, American border security probably look at that and that's a red flag for them. You know what I mean? Because of where you're coming from. Apparently, it was the same thing with Druk. Because he was coming from this specific airport in Canada, that was a red flag. Whether it was on the Canadian side or the American side, no one knows. You know what I mean? Right. Interesting. So, it's like, it just seems really like... I mean, obviously, visas are always on a personal... You can have one, you can't have one. You can maybe have one. Based upon each person individually, it's always on an individual basis. But like, there doesn't seem to be any sort of like... way that you would be able to tell whether you would get approved or not off the rip. You know what I mean? It's really strange, man. I really don't understand it. No, I know you are. But, that is it for the Cod News. Which leaves us plenty of time for your favourite section of the Halo. Ah, yeah. Exciting times. Now, before we get into it, how do you want to do this? Do you want to get the small little itty-bitty bits out of the way? Yeah, we'll go over... You know what I mean? We'll do a little recap, because it's got a few... A few bits here and there. We've got some news, and we've got some breaking news, which we won't be breaking by the time people listen to this, but it's breaking news. We've got the topic of the Halo section. The main topic. Which I did a little bit of teaser... Yeah, you did a bit of pre-recording marketing for it. Yeah, a little bit of marketing, a little bit of networking in some streams. Right. Oh, dear. So, we've done it, people. We've finally got there. The Halo is back, officially. We're back in action. Saturday, we saw some games. Saturday night, LVC, US, NA region, and then the rest of the games, I think, were on the Sunday, right? So, I'll go through it in region. We've got the ANZ, the EU, the NA, and the MX regions. I'm just going to go through who won it and what the teams are, because I'm keen to move on to the next part. Yeah, of course. So, the ANZ region, first place was Swole Daddies, and I cannot believe I've just said that, which was Barcode, Scoobmeister, Sways and Slays. So, congratulations to them. Obviously, Barcode, back on top. Scoobmeister, mouse and keyboard player, people who are interested in that sort of thing. EU, first was Foe, which is Jimbo, Snipe Drone, Mighty's, Wootom. Still can't believe that they've not been picked up, because I was re-watching that series before I came on. Quadrant took games one and two in the grand final. Foe reset the bracket and won. So, there's a reverse sweep bracket reset in match day one of EU Halo. We love to see it. Shout out to Snipe Drone. Yeah, Snipe Drone's the goat, man. He really is. NA, we had the Space Station, plus a substitute. Which was Eco, Stellar, Bound. And then Monster subbing in for Legends. All hands. No. Legends Visa has been approved, which is fantastic. He's just not there with them yet. So, we can look forward to seeing him at some point. Mate, I'm telling you, that was just a wasted series. The monsters happened from the start. It was when the boy on the comms went. The substitute is seeking out... He's got the cheese to find all the rats. The cheese is called wall hacks, mate. We're not definitively saying Monster is a hacker. Because we don't know. Just shout out Monster. He's on his Viv and Arc. You love to see him. And then the MX. Which, if anyone was hung around the LBT stream. So, right at the very end. When they raided the MX official broadcast. That was amazing. I want to see more Halo cast in Spanish like that. Because it was phenomenal viewing. Like, someone got no scoped. The caster went absolutely mental. It was insane. I'd like a benediction, please. I'm not even going to attempt it. Why not? For the viewers. The viewers? For the listeners. That's like 50 gifted subs right there. Patreon, coming soon. You've got to pay for that. If you want to hear my atrocious Spanish commentary accent. So, first in the MX region was NoOrg. Which is Drift, TappenBurned, Acid and Noble. So, congratulations to those players. We look forward to seeing you next week. Bringing us more amazing Halo entertainment. So, yeah. Onto the little bit of breaking news. Oh, yeah. So... In the NA region... 7th and 8th were... Sentinels and TSS. Okay. Which... Probably where Native Gaming should have been, wouldn't you say? You'd like to think so. You'd like to think so, but oh no. That didn't happen. Cherished last shot. Mortally super CC. Shout out, it's the last shot. World's SSA champion. Other ideas. TSS. They beat Native Gaming. They were out. Which has led to a piece of breaking news from today. Neptune, allegedly, is no longer on Native Gaming. Gone. Booted. That's what the streets are saying. This has come from Reddit, so... It's better than when I got baited by SSG into thinking Collective re-signed for him on Twitter. And then came on the podcast and was like, yo, you're never going to believe who they've signed. Fucking idiot. You may not be able to put up your crystal ball. Hey, I'll tell you what. Crystal Brionube. Yeah? Mystic Brionube. GloryGG's played with Quadrant under the Quadrant name yesterday, so I would say that's pretty much all but confirmed as well. Ayo. So, you know what I mean. Good job in predicting their roster moves. Halo roster moves. I just find it amazing that, like, after the very first set of Halo games, match day one, we've got Rostamania. Yeah. I find that Neptune being taken off is mental. I find that wild. I feel... Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't really watch any of... Like, I watch Collect every now and again, but Collect generally doesn't really say a lot when he plays. Like, and to be honest with you, I'm there to watch the gameplay. Yeah, you're not there to listen, yeah. Whereas with APG, APG likes talking to the chat, but I don't really watch APG a lot either, I can't lie. Because he's so easily checked out by the chat. That's why I find him APG. He's so easily chalked with the chat. The chat is so... There's so much wind-up merchants and they seem to catch him every single time. Yeah, like, he does seem to get a little bit chalked out by a switcher every now and again. Part of me, like, with the APG thing, part of me is like, I wonder if he's one of these guys where you think he's checked out. It's just a front. But you've never seen checked out, you know what I mean? Like, he's never checked out, that's just the way that he is. I don't know, like, the time where the boy, when he went and got his, his thingy-ma-bobber, like his necklace or his ring, whatever he got, he got, was it his ring, I guess, isn't it? If they win a World Championship, yeah. Yeah, he went and got his ring. Yeah, he went and got his ring out of the room to show the chat because a boy was, like, gave him grief. Now, I don't know if that's just a a fleck or a checked out, I don't know which way I get off on to. What'd I say? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know him personally, but... Nah, yeah, exactly. I think that's the thing, which we only know these people from what you see online. Yeah. And what... what Optic they decide to portray themselves with. Yes. See that little link back to before when I said we were talking about Optic. I see that. I see that. Not Optic Gaming. Not Optic Gaming. I think Optic came in third as well. Well, actually, I wanted to ask you a question about this because we had a little bit of a discussion about it yesterday, obviously, watching the games. What are you saying about Optic, bro? Are you... How are you feeling about Optic? I'm... I'm... I'm not... I'm not sure. I said this to you at the time, that it seems that Deadzone and Lucid, either one of them, one of them out of the two struggles while the other one prevails. It's never both at the same time. They're never sort of on an even level. Yeah. And that's against Faze and SSG. Obviously, SSG, it's kind of hard to say because they obviously have Monster and they have Legend. Yeah. So, they're going to play slightly different because it's a different playstyle. Yeah, exactly. But it just didn't seem to click as much as I feel like everybody felt like it would just instantly click and it wasn't working fully. They won that first SSG game in the winner's semis and then just dropped off. And then against Faze, it just seemed to just not have... didn't have the legs either. But the thing I find about these top teams is it's hard to always, like, pick between the two because they could go either way. You know what I mean? I feel that's the thing, man. Like, for me, unequivocally, the top three teams are in any placement, SSG, Faze, OpTic. Yeah. And I feel on any given Sunday, any of them could win the event. Yeah, definitely. I do agree with you. It's hard to judge how good they actually are because they batter everybody else. Yeah. Like, they absolutely smoke everybody else. Apart from Quadrant. It just comes down to, like, those tiny, tiny little margins in the grand finals and stuff. That's the thing. It's like, if one... all it takes is one kill to go your way or one person to escape dying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's literally like a bullet. You know what I mean? One bullet, one inch, one pixel. Like, that can be the difference between a victory and a loss. Yeah. But I don't know. I guess about SSG, it's just hard to understand where they're at when they're not actually at the full... Yeah, their full team. Yeah, exactly. I mean, obviously... Even without their full team, they still won. You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. I mean, match day one, innit? It's online. We really... I feel like you really need to wait for them to see where everyone's actually at. I mean, it's like I said to you yesterday, the Deadzone thing. This is their first... I mean, I know they've scrimmed a few teams. I think we chatted about that last week. Yeah, we did. But it's like, with Deadzone coming in, like... I feel like he is used to playing a different type of Halo. Yeah. So, like, what opposite current we play, like... I feel like Deadzone doesn't... Deadzone's not got that fucking massive brain equal behind him anymore. You know what I mean? Like, yes, they've still got the fucking... They've still got Formal and Lucid and whatever else, but he's not got the big brain equal that'll do... Yeah. Every single call. This is true, man, because I feel like the only... The only IGL that is... even remotely as good as Eco, what Eco does, is Sniper. Yeah. You know what I mean? But, like, I still think Eco's better. Yeah. So he's come away from that to Lucid and Formal and Trippy, so it's like, which one of them has got the big brain equal? You know what I mean? He gets to that sort of level, and I feel like it just lacks a little bit. Lucid, he was making play calls last season, I feel, wasn't it? I mean, I feel like, you know, they don't have... one specific IGL. It's not like... You ever watch any... You ever watch Apex? Like, competitive Apex? Not really. A little bit, but not a lot. They have, like... Well, some teams do, some teams don't, but I feel like they all have a dedicated IGL. If you've ever watched it and been watching TSM when they do a listening, Hal is, like, the most... I won't say overbearing, he's not overbearing because he is correct with what he's saying, he knows what he's talking about, but he is just very, like... at you, you know what I mean? I feel like that's like an Apex thing, though. They're all very, like... All of the play calls are just, like, scream down the mic at 150 miles an hour whilst the world explodes around you. You know what I mean? I feel in Halo it's a little bit different. Like, I don't think you realistically have one person being like, yo, we're gonna do this. It's more of a, what is this saying over here? Can we do that? This guy's gonna spawn here? Okay, so we should go there. You know what I mean? Rather than it being, like, a... life or death situation. Like, for example. But then, you know, this is a viewer's perspective, I don't really know how much about Apex. I'm happy to be corrected. Somebody can let us know. Narforte? Let us know, yeah. Let us know what you think. Right. Serious business. Yes, the big topic. The big topic. They're hitting us off making certain streams last night. So, I was watching... So, right. Let me start right from the very beginning. Earlier this week, maybe back in the last week, I can't mind when it was, and I haven't gone back to find the tweets. It was announced that the European Halo coverage was being done by Atlas and the European Halo League. Now, it's important for the listeners to know the European Halo League is not the same as Europa Halo. They're completely separate entities. So, Atlas, GG, European Halo, were doing the broadcasts for this weekend. Okay. LBT was doing NA, as you would expect. Yeah, normal LBT things. It did say who was doing the MX and ANZ region, but, like I said, I haven't gone back and looked at it, so I can't shout those people out. So, apologies for that. So, I'm sat there. I mean, I've got the European Halo open. I've got the Atlas open. I'm watching along. And then I see a message in the Atlas chat, which read something along the lines of AOLBT, fuck off and get your own content. Whoa, where you are. Wow. And I was kind of like, Jeez. Okay. What I've later found out is that that, I'm pretty sure, comes from the Atlas community manager. Fucking hell. Why? Burn that one out there. Why? So, I was like, I was like, What? Ayo, what? That's... I was like, I must be missing something here. This must be some kind of private joke. You know what I mean? Didn't know. Anyway. Pulls up my phone, opens my phone. See the notification for a tweet in a Discord. So I'm like, bang, open it. Click on the tweet. And the tweet is from one of the guys that does a lot of the... I think he's like the founder of Atlas. Uh-huh. And this is really what got me, what gripped me yesterday, right? So, first and foremost, I want to state this very clearly right now. If you are from Atlas, I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way. This is not me piling on to you. This is not me having a go at you. This is just me being incredibly confused. So... Disclaimers are out. Disclaimers are out. Disclaimers are out, right. There we go. Let me grab the tweet. I know I just said I wasn't going to read it, but I'm going to read it. Yeah, he's going to read it anyway because it's context, context. We're just reporting, you know? It's not... So the tweet said... The basis of the tweet was the guy who runs the Atlas thing runs the Atlas thing was upset that LBT was watching their broadcast on stream. And then it goes on to say that, you know, LBT had 1,300 viewers at the time. They had 100. And that LBT should show some respect for the organizations paying and working hard to put on coverage. This was then further qualified in a reply from the same guy, which said that they have no issue with people watch part in their broadcast, but the issue arises when a fellow organizer watches it on their official channel because provides, this is a direct quote, provides way more of an upside for them than it does for us. And then there was another tweet which then starts getting into ad revenue and how LBT streaming overnight only benefits them and no one else because they can farm drop rates and basically run as many ads as they want and generate as much money as they want and they've basically cracked the free money printing machine. Apparently. So, this annoyed me immensely. Like, this, yeah, I saw this and I was literally, like the exact thoughts was, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. This has got multiple levels to it. Yeah, this is a big thing, right? It's so complex and how you look at it and I feel like it's going to be quite a big discussion because there's so many bits to it that can be interpreted different ways depending on your stance on the matter. 100%, right? So I'm going to try and lay out some facts Yeah. before we get into this, right? So, if you're wondering about the size of these organizers, LBT is a HCS partnered grassroots tournament organizer the same as EuropaHogos. In terms of Twitter followers, LBT has 6.2k followers Atlas has 185. LBT obviously been doing this for a lot longer as well. Creation date, December 19. 2019, yeah. 2019. Atlas, 11-23. So November 2023. Three months ago. And then EuropaHogos, I've thrown a couple of their stats in there as well. They have 461 followers. They were created on the February 2022. European Halo, they also do, I think they do like the university collegiate level Halo League in the UK. Which I think is quite cool. I can't lie. I think it's pretty cool that we've got some collegiate esports over there. I mean, obviously, I knew that it happened for Rocket League, for example, the university I went to had a Rocket League team. Yeah. Which when I spoke to the guy from there, he was very unhappy because his team got poached for a round of shots, basically. If I'm remembering that rightly, I'm pretty sure that's what he said. Unbelievable. Typically, you need to be on shots to play at that level. Yeah, like Rocket League is difficult. So if we want to get into, you know, because primarily I read this tweet and what I saw was two things, right? Yeah. I saw someone concerned for their product having to compete against a much bigger fish in the marketplace. Yeah. I also saw an incredible amount of unprofessionalism because why are you putting that on a public forum? Yeah. Doesn't matter that it came from your personal account. It can all be tracked back to you, though. It can be tracked back because anyone that knows your personal account knows what you do. would know that you do this. Yeah. Because of the way that you have then allowed people to go and access the personal account. You know, I mean like I was trying to think of analogies to come up with from my point of view on the first point there of someone being concerned about their product having to compete against a much stronger competitor. I can tell you one. I've got one for you, right? Go for it. Peugeot, the car manufacturer. Yeah. Do they compete with Bugatti, the car manufacturer? Do you have any questions? Do they? Do they? See, yes and no because they're entirely different standards of vehicles. Exactly. Yes, they do because they both make cars. So technically, you can say they're competitors. No, because one makes a million pound supercar and the other makes the bad boy racing mobile that you'll see outside of McDonald's full of 16 year olds. You know what I mean? They're not the same. My analogy is they're both wanting to make they're trying to do the similar content that's essentially like your big supermarket that's been there for years versus your corner shop. You're both trying to do the same stuff but clearly your supermarket is bigger because they've been around for longer and they've got more fucking power. That's my analogy of it. I feel like the point of it is is that these two things serve different purposes. Yeah. And yes, you are both broadcasting Halo games on a Sunday. But one of you is doing European teams and the other one is doing NA teams. Yeah. And there is very little crossover in that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which then brings me on to the second point. The same place that I saw that this tweet has gone out was then also brought to light that there had been a conversation that had then taken place behind closed doors with LVT and the HCS about this situation. Now I can only imagine the HCS would be involved because as previously mentioned LVT and Atlas were both official broadcasts for these events. So maybe there was an agreement in place there that they wouldn't like you know what I mean to co-stream or watch a party or whatever. Right? I don't know. I'm not party for that information. Personally I don't think that matters. If you have a direct line to the people who are hosting the fucking tournament why are you adding people on Twitter? See this is what I mean by it gets so complex and there's so many levels to this because if you're going to try and involve the HCS and LVT and you're back behind closed doors conversation clearly that you have there has been a discussion that this is what's happening you have been given that you are the official broadcast for these individual things. Yeah. There is no reason at any point for you to then go well I want a solution to my issue so I'm going to take it public. Yeah. No. That is not a good move. Right? Which again comes into even more levels because it has repercussions Yeah. for different things. Which we're not Yeah. We're not going to get into right? This is now the reasoning behind so this is we have what is publicly being said and then we have what is being said in a community forum some might say the community hub for European Halo. Also a direct quote. Yeah. As to why this situation has occurred. Right? So at the time there was 1,300 people watching LVT and LVT itself was giving no exposure to Atlas. There was no channel link there was no mention and it's quote unquote screwing the broadcasts out of a potentially massive audience because they both could be sat on 500 to 600 viewers. And the reason why they wanted that to happen was because obviously when you need to generate funding a lot of esports funding is through investment which you're never going to see and sponsorship deals. Yeah. Being able to say you've got this many viewers a higher number of viewers is basically a higher number of viewers is basically better. The same way that having more engagement rates on Twitter is better. Yeah. For example, right? Again you're not competing LVT is not competing with Atlas Atlas is not competing with LVT. The two very different market demographics in America it's one massive country the size of a continent, correct? Yeah. In the EU right there's multiple different countries that make up the region which means there's multiple different rationales and reasons and you know viewpoints as to why you would want to watch Halo why you want to get into Halo why do you want to play Halo? When I worked with EH doing some marketing EH being Europa Halo the main thing that I wanted to do was to grow our home market in areas. Europa Halo is incredibly popular in England and in France but in areas such as Spain it's massively massively underdeveloped and I wanted to go out there and change that right? That became incredibly difficult to do because I was told that the Spanish players do not like playing the rest of the European players because they're uncompetitive and if whether that's true or not I don't know, right? Because I know there are some Spanish players that are incredibly good at this game Yeah. Same way there's some incredibly good French players some German players you know what I mean? Players from all over Europe that are incredibly good at this game, right? But the fact of the matter is, and now this leads on to the sponsorship and the viewership and therefore the sponsorship aspect of this If you're from a country that doesn't have a strong basis in the game for example, you know, maybe that's because Microsoft didn't market directly to you when Halo was the biggest game in the world in the late 2000s maybe it's because you don't know anyone that plays Halo or everyone's got a Playstation or you don't know anything about competitive Halo whatever the reason is, right? If you have no reason to watch then you're not going to watch and you have to give people a reason to want to watch LVT gives people a reason to want to watch because it has Optic Gaming FaZe Clan, Space Station Massive massive teams incredibly popular players Formal had 4,000 viewers yesterday LVT was on 5.6 Okay, viewers You know what I mean? Like massive massive draw for people to want to go and watch what is happening in this eSport The EU does not have that because outside of Quadrant and Na'Vi you have teams that are competitive, for sure they're competitive I'm not saying they're not Na'Vi my apologies, now Fo they're competitive teams but they don't stick around long enough to develop a resonance and an identity with them which then creates a problem, right? So if you're trying to market things in the EU, you've got content you want to blow it up, you want to get more you know, a bigger viewership you have to rely on the players with a massive draw turning up and playing which they probably will you put a decent amount of cash on the line you also have to rely on the players themselves doing some degree of personal branding which will then bring people in to come and watch your broadcast because they want to see how these players play they enjoy watching their stream that isn't a thing viewership for Halo Infinite is incredibly low on Twitch across the board like that's just a fact people don't want to watch it and if they do watch it, they're watching a tournament, or they're watching their favourite pro player 4,000 people in formal stream watching him play Halo most of them aren't there for Halo they're there for the formal who has done it across multiple esports for multiple years on console and then on PC this man is built different, that's why they're there this is the thing man so Atlas are annoyed because LBT is quote on quote taking viewers no they're not I found a graph earlier that showed that your viewership kinda went down at the same time that LBT was alive but then that also pretty much coincides with when Optic started playing oh sorry, when Faze started playing Rebellion, what was the first game yesterday on LBT it's all around the same time period so wasn't there a period in this as well, that just before those NA games started that the LBT was watching their stream? Yeah, well this is the thing, so I was in the LBT chat and I was watching him watch the broadcast, right he was probably only in there for about 5 minutes literally 5 times in the chat, at AtlasGG yeah whatever their thing is on Twitch, right at least 5 times that was posted in the chat someone specifically asked, who's broadcasting this I'd love to go give him a follow and he linked it in the chat he said it multiple times verbally I don't know what more you want this guy to do, just because you don't have any branding that overtly makes your product yours, on your product you can't get annoyed that literally the biggest community tournament organiser anywhere in the world for this game for using your thing see this is where again it gets into the different levels of this, which I find, as I said to you yesterday when we first initially discussed it that it is such a bizarre thing like, these watch parties and stuff, right, I don't know the ins and outs of Twitch terms and services or their contract that they had with HCS to be the official partners that's not my not to my knowledge so I'm going off what I actually know now, watch parties are done by nearly everybody over entirety of Twitch you know what I mean so the entire time that these watch parties are happening does that mean so I'll give you an example, so yesterday there was I'm going to name a couple of streamers that I was in they were watching the LVT stream of this tournament so you had Lacinity you had Formal, you had Lucid you had Cervana they're all stealing in this terms using Atlas' terms they are stealing viewers away from LVT 100% but unfortunately, that's not yes and no yes the viewers could be at LVT but as we've already said, Formal brings in these viewers because it's Formal, Lucid brings in these viewers because it's Lucid Cervana and Lacinity they all bring in their viewers because they also want to talk to those people specifically and they have their own friends and their own people that they've met in the community that they 100% they gravitate to that because they can have a communication and a conversation, a connection between those people while watching it, watching something they enjoy together but at no point does it then translate into, well you're stealing our viewers, so you shouldn't be able to do that and to add to that, the fact that LVT was on their stream, watching them do it and shouting them out and telling them who where their stream is, that is publicity to you you should be using that, jump into the LVT stream and give them appreciation for even watching your stream because he doesn't have to fucking do that and this is the thing right, it's like this is why it boggles the mind so much that they decided to choose violence as the way to deal with this right, go on Twitter, on the Atlas account at LVT post a screenshot of my man watching your stream and be like yo, at LVT, so glad that you're enjoying the stream send a tweet just showing appreciation, showing love for the fact that they're watching your thing that they're appreciating your hard work and your graft and I can guarantee you he wouldn't have blocked you that wouldn't have happened, you would have retweeted it, you would have got involved, you would have had then a little moment where you come together and you can collaborate and loads of people are like yo, this is the thing that he's watching on Twitch right now, let me go give them a follow and then you can grow your followers and then you can do this and you can do that and then you can start to think about how to put together a sponsorship pack for potential sponsors because if I'm a potential sponsor I don't want anything to do with these people. No, because immediately when it doesn't go your way your first instinct is to take violence and to go to a public service and cause issues, where you've already if you've done it behind closed doors fair enough, you've done it behind closed doors and it's not in a public space, fine, but you've gone into a public space and just gone here's my massive fucking issue no, I'm afraid no no, that's just not going to work and this is the thing man like it's just like you have a product right for me right, people, as you've just said with Formal, Lucid, Savannah, Vicinity, people watch it because of the product, yeah and the product is everything to do with the broadcast from the streamer the setup, the game the fucking stuff at the bottom, the graphics the sub-emotes, like all of it, that's the product right, people watch LVT because the product is top tier top notch product and I'd like to add to that, that's because it's taken them since 2019 to build this platform 5 years, they've not turned up, 3 months ago like, they've turned up they just turned up 3 months ago being slightly behind, they've actually been given a better opportunity than most other places by doing that, you are the official stream for this, they've been handed a golden ticket in a sense and as soon as, they want everything handed to them on a silver platter 3 months into having this platform LVT have put the fucking work in to get to where they're at, have been going to the events and having the space to build and to build, to get better and better they've turned up and gone, right, so where's all of our watchers? I remember, right, year 1, HCS LVT, in the pit on his phone live streaming games that's what I remember I don't know where any of this has come about, um, stealing ad revenue and doing all of this and it's shitting on smaller creators or whatever right, that is not the impression that I get, that anything to do with LVT, no if it was, why would they put up thousands of dollars of their own money in prize money for prize pools, to attract players in to come and play why would they do that? why would they, you know what I mean why would they be able to get top tier talent to come on and cast their stuff for them you know what I mean and this is, it's a levels, it's a levels to the game like, their product is the superior product on the market right now so watch learn see what you can take away from what they're doing to improve your own thing and at the same time, right they got Atlas, got the HCS cosign, they got tweeted out, added by the HCS account sick fucking fantastic, that's really good right, we've got the Europa Halo cosign, even better, like, so we've got the main TO, we've got the regional grassroots TO, like all shouting out our thing like, go and watch their stuff and then at the point where you could've got the holy trinity of Halo tournament organiser cosigns you fumble the fucking bag they even fumbled you fucking nuked it from orbit like, what are you doing? what are we doing? it's embarrassing I want to understand the mindset of of why he thought that was a good idea, I don't know what was the benefit of going, right, I'm gonna tweet it, I'm gonna tweet this I'm gonna cause a scene is it a publicity stunt to then be like, oh, what's going on here? but if you do that the reverse effect of that is the sponsorships are gonna look at you and go you're... we can't trust that you're gonna keep it to yourself or we're gonna keep this in the down low at any point you could flip and you'll lose your fucking head no one would want to deal with you before we move on to this next part shout out the boy that went into the LVT chat and said, hey yo, why are you ripping off Atlas' content to then get immediately shut down by the man on the screen who went, I'm not, I'm giving them exposure here's the link this is what I mean though, like they've been given the exposure by everybody but it's not good enough and that's what I mean by the silver platter, they want it all handed to them we started three months ago, why aren't we as big as LVT, why are we not bigger than LVT unfortunately, you're in a space that is European Halo which is big, it's tiny it's not big compare it to the NA, who have you got in the NA, you've got the big teams like Faze, Optic, SSG Sentinels, Shopify etc, etc, massive massive organisations, who have you got in EU you've got Quadrant the old Na'vi now full, but you're not talking big teams that are like constantly bringing, who have the reach across the entire planet to bring in people from everywhere and unfortunately until you build your brand like LVT you've done over the past 5 years, you're not going to be there and you have no say in being like oh why is everybody stealing our viewers at what point does it slow down at what point do you call it there Meg McLaughlin yesterday streaming BTB Sunday had 30 odd viewers does that mean that she's stealing your viewers because they're watching her play Halo and there's a group of them playing Halo, does that mean that they're stealing your viewers because they're not trying to watch other people play Halo at what point do you draw the line this is the question right that tweet really did come off as like just super entitled to everything without wanting to put the graph in like I know that this is probably going to be a learning experience for the team at Atlas they're all young lads this is their thing, it's their baby, it's their venture and I commend them wholeheartedly for going and creating this and wanting to put on EU and do something with the team that they've got running it, fair play like the passion for Halo unmatched literally these guys put on for the European community but this isn't it this is not the way this is not the way that you are going to make this work the only way obviously long time listeners of the podcast will know used to do marketing for Europa Halo they have a masters degree in digital marketing right? shut up the thing that became evident to me through obviously studying social media strategies and then trying to implement a social media strategy, and you've seen the plan that I put together right? I have read through both the documents you sent and they are extensive and they are, well eventually they started to use it and it's working the level of detail that is in there, the level of information that I gained, I commissioned port on Europa Halo social media to be able to do my job better right? when people say that social media is a grind it is a fucking grind like it literally is you eat shit every single day until suddenly you don't anything online based is like that you've got to be willing to put the work in you've got to be willing to look at things and understand it and be able to spin it in the best way humanly possible for you LVT are showing your stuff on stream fucking great, you've got exposure go in there, go in the chat go on your atlas twitch chat atlas twitch account go in their chat start, you know what I mean hey yo LVT, what's happening bang, visibility go on Twitter, hey yo LVT love the fact that you are watching our stuff on stream, that's sick man boom, visibility and that's what you want you want visibility because you want engagements because that's what the sponsors want you know, sponsors when they're getting involved with anything to do with esports they want to know that they're going to get a return on what they give you yeah of course, obviously you've got no other reason to invest if their return is loose canon social media usage maybe they're not going to want to be involved maybe you just wouldn't you know what I mean I don't see any reason you would run that risk you don't know how they're going to react to a situation, if it goes their way or not, you just don't know how it's going to react this is the thing this anyone from atlas if you listen to this and you've managed to make it this far without wanting to rip my head off because I don't understand it I commend you wholeheartedly for what you're doing but please think about all of the possibilities, I get you're trying to protect your projects, your baby and I get you want to take it places and I get you have plans but not everything that looks like a bad thing is a bad thing I don't understand how LVT watching your stream giving you shoutouts here and there could ever be a bad thing I don't understand that and everything on the atlas side for the reason as to why that is a bad thing everything that I've seen it's all been about the numbers yeah it's all about the numbers, it's all about well we're not getting these views they're farming drops, they're doing this they're farming ad revenue you know what I mean have they not worked fucking hard I understand that they need a viewer for the sponsors to look at it and go they're getting a viewer so we can push our product in there and we're going to invest in that but if you could go back to the start of LVT they'd be in the exact same fucking boat you're in now 100% LVT didn't just fucking develop followers out of fucking nowhere no, I was looking at the earlier streams from 2019 2 viewers, 3 viewers 1 viewer, 4 viewers, 3 viewers 2 viewers, you know what I mean low low viewer numbers and now in the past 365 days they've averaged 2,002 viewers per stream over 93 streams they've put that through lots of hard work of going to events, putting on their own events, streaming the events and putting up cash fucking money for their own fucking tournaments sending a team to an event exactly being at events and doing the little tournaments they do in between games that's not just going to be handed to you that takes 5 years worth of work and if you're not when you get to the point that LVT are at, the work that you've put in for the past 5 years starts to pay off 100% it's not going to pay off in 3 months no, this isn't a thing you look at us, we've been doing this since, about the same time 3 months, November? yeah, probably so is it now our time to be like well, I tell you what, right when I was at Europa Blackpool this was when this Atlas stuff first started there was rumours floating around, I saw them recording content for Atlas at the event so they've been yeah, it's probably been going about the same but I mean so is it now our turn to be like oh well, all these other podcasts HTS Pro Talk is stealing our business HTS Pro Talk, no and everybody else that's ever done any Cod or Halo related podcasts, or any Esports related podcasts, is now stealing our listeners no, because we are a new set up, a new podcast that we're trying our hand, whether people want to listen to it or not we're doing our own thing, and if it goes, it goes, and that's the work that both of us put in recording these episodes weekly doing the marketing doing the research, doing the publishing, etc etc, it's not going to follow our lap you get the people that get lucky with one thing that goes absolutely fucking rocket, out of the world, viral but you're looking for that one thing to happen and if it doesn't happen, it's a oh well, this, toys are out the pram it's a big issue, how dare everybody else be bigger than us yeah, that's the thing man, it's just baggy, it's just super, super baggy like, it's was literally just like, what the fuck am I actually looking at right now what is this, and this is you, didn't I and I was like, I've just seen the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life yeah like what are we doing, like what is this man, just focus on your own fucking thing, like focus on your own thing create your own if you keep your head down and work on your own thing it eventually, I say eventually, even if you work really hard at it there's no guarantee that it'll work nah maybe it won't, but like what's more important, the destination of the fucking journey, you know what I mean like this, if people stop listening to this that's fine at the end of the day, me and you have these conversations we were having these conversations before this podcast, 100% if the podcast drops off a fucking cliff and that's it we're still gonna have these conversations like, legit right, like before we record a podcast we hop in the discord we literally, like the other week we literally got in, talked for two hours straight about esports, recorded for an hour stopped the recording and then talked for another two hours straight about esports it's literally like this is fun, you know what I mean we're doing this because we genuinely enjoy it the whole idea was the whole idea was just to record our conversations exactly if people want to listen to it and want to interact with it, please, welcome on everybody, we'll take anything, any saying whatever you've got to say, we'll talk about whatever you want to talk about we're open to it, but if you don't, we're gonna have the conversation anyway listen if you want to you know what I mean, it's your choice like, but it's literally just like why go about your business and like I just keep coming back to the it's the tweet for me the tweet is literally like, fair enough right put it in your discord channel fair enough, right and to be fair the twitch stuff was a little bit like, what like but the tweet is just like mind-blowing that do you think that's a fucking good idea like, bruv like, let me put it in a simple way, I said earlier Serge, are you not taking Illy to one side and being like, yo don't lie to me, what's happening right atlas potentially are now picking a fight that they cannot win yeah because, who gives like who is LBT right, massive T.O. huge, gets top players in incredible relationships with HCS staff, fucking the HCS 343 lead was in their chat yesterday which is a broadcast like, you know what I mean like if it comes down to it, and they have to pick and choose who they're going to give an official HCS cosign to is it going to be the HCS partner grassroots tournament organiser for NA who averages 2002 viewers a stream over the past 365 days who has 6.2k followers on twitter 60k followers on twitch who can do way more outreach for them than pretty much anyone else, like that blows Europa Halo to fucking pieces bro when I first saw these numbers bear in mind this was about a year ago as well this report for Europa Halo when I saw the numbers that LBT were doing last year I almost cried because it was I was literally just like how do we implement this into what we're doing yeah or is it going to be Atlas, the 3 month old tournament organiser who isn't HCS partnered who isn't doesn't have a pool of top players who had 2 coaches and 2 players from teams that were currently playing in their tournament yesterday, in their twitch chat, asking for the game to be restarted, is it going to be those people or is it going to be LBT that the HCS comes down on yeah I think the problem with the tweets and the way they've gone about it is your organisation is 3 months old, I would be very surprised if it is still going on by the end of the year you've got the direct line, use the direct line but the thing is now it's like well, if the HCS are going to see that and go well we're not going to give you official broadcast anymore we're going to go to Europa Halo or what's the other one European Halo League European Halo League, oh sorry European Halo, yeah we're going to give it to them because they've not had this happen, you've not done this so I'd be very surprised if Atlas is still ongoing by the end of the year like honestly I'm surprised that it wasn't Europa Halo that was broadcast in these games, now I understand Europa Halo has got restructure at the moment yeah they've not got any casters or anything at the moment you know they don't have a director so that part of it makes sense to me as to why it hasn't been them at this point in time which by the way for Atlas as I said earlier was the golden ticket they were given the opportunity while Europa Halo was unavailable to attempt to do this 100% and they fucked it entirely they've taken it in our opinions anyway in our opinion but I don't obviously I can't sit here with my knowledge base and say I don't know anything about the deal with the HCS I don't know anything about the Atlas management's relationships with potential sponsors I don't know their background in terms of business, marketing esports, anything like that but what I do know is that what I've seen publicly is not good it has all of the hallmarks of a knee-jerk reaction which does not bode well for the immediate future I'm not saying that Atlas will never get a sponsorship I'm not saying that Atlas will never be able to compete I'm not saying any of these things what I am saying is that yesterday was a fucking shit show and once we're on the topic I do not understand why obviously here's a question for you this whole thing has been about viewership ad revenue exposure, the numbers yeah winners finals was foe vs quadrant riddle me this why were both European Halo and Atlas Twitch channels showing the same game for fuck's sake and when questioned about that why did the director of European Halo say we want to show the finals as well might that be because you want to get viewers on it might that then be detracting viewers from the other broadcast because you could have been showing the lower bracket teams you could have been showing literally anything else I get what you're trying to do guys but fuck me it's not going well like I said at the start I'm not saying this stuff to shit on you I'm saying it because it genuinely as an enthusiast of competitive Halo someone that wants to see EU go right to the fucking top that was not great no I feel like I'm someone who you know me you know how serious I take everything I just didn't understand any of that yesterday like personally it made no sense to me I don't know whether I'm missing the trick I'm very happy to have a conversation with anyone from Atlas that would like to educate me into why I'm wrong I'm 100% there for that not even Atlas, anybody anyone anyone who knows the industry I would welcome that I would love to have a chat it's a topic of conversation that could go on for ages as I said at the very start there are so many levels and the levels are so complex because they all connect and this one thing that has gone on is it's going to have ripples through what happens next I feel for sure there are a lot of other factors there's a lot of other strings to the bow unbelievable you do not like the buzzwords do you bro what do you mean no I was just saying unbelievable to the whole thing not for that it's all about you you know Jesus Christ incorrect I am the main character of my own story tell me about it you love it man every time my man gets on a topic it's like an autobiography what can I say bro I've got a lot of knowledge that I need to get out knowledge and opinions they're the same thing aren't they I don't know if they're the same thing no facts and opinions are the same thing that's right it was just mind boggling I don't understand it too much drama for a Sunday night yeah but then we get to come on Mike on a Monday and talk about it so who's the real winner so keep up the drama on the Sundays more shit like this please please no more shit like this I don't think I can deal with it again maybe not so much I need to keep my co-host willing to do this every Monday the regular season ended my Sundays are just not peaceful it used to be the Panthers fucking me off and now it's Halo Tournament have you got anything else to talk about Halo wise or is that it for the Halo um guys discussing ok good right well same again as always any feedback positive negative please let us know there's comment sections on the audio.com um the all these are normally posted in several discords if you can just message me or at brianhube anything at all, it all helps in the long run yeah any shares, listens follows etc all greatly appreciated um and that'll do for this week and we'll be back next week with probably even more roster mania in the Halo news thank you very much everybody for listening and we'll catch you in the next one