Titanic

Hi, welcome to Subway Cinema. I'm Devon. And I'm Bonnie. And we are back counting down the Best Picture Oscar winners from best to worst. And we are all the way up to number 38. Yes. So what are we talking about today? Titanic. From? 1997. Yeah. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it? Yes. It's a famous movie. So what's your history with Titanic? I saw it probably not right when it came out, but I probably saw it in the theater. Right. Maybe it was in the theater for a while. Yeah. During the hype. During the hype, yeah. I definitely saw it I think probably during that time. Probably the first part of 98. Probably the first part of 98. And then I've seen it since, at least a couple of times since. And then just for this podcast again, watched over. But it's one that's often playing. Right. So then we end up at a hotel and you're just flipping through channels. And I've seen some scenes of Titanic and not sat down for the whole movie. But I did sit down for the whole movie this week. Yes. And this is a movie that I love to bash. Yes, you do. Yeah. Very vocally a lot of the time. Very vocally. So it'll be fun to see it again. You did watch it again with an open mind? I watched it again with an open mind. Okay. Well, we'll see about that. I don't know that I've seen it. I know I definitely saw it at least twice in the theater when it came out. I don't know that I've seen it since. Although, it is weird. It still seems pretty fresh to me. So I don't, maybe I've just, I have, I don't remember actually sitting down to watch it. Or, you know, I don't have it on DVD or Blu-ray. Really? So I wouldn't have found out and went to it. I just don't. I have plenty. I have a lot of movies. I'll get it now. So then, yeah, it's kind of hypocritical of me that I'm the one that likes to bash it, yet I keep watching it. I wouldn't say it's hypocritical. It's just maybe inconsistent. Maybe there's something underlying all of that. But we'll get into that. We are into 1997, a year when we were both around. Yes, we were both around. It's a movie, it's a year that I saw a lot of movies. I was just kind of at that age, just out of college. And I think, when I look at my letterboxd statistics, this is the year from which I've seen the most movies. Yeah, you showed me that before. How many movies? I think it was like 78. 1997 releases that I've seen. That you've not only seen, but you've commented on? No, I just logged as seen. Oh, okay. I don't know how many I've reviewed. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, wow. That's a lot. We haven't talked about what, oh, we don't yet talk about what Titanic is about. No, I want to see what I've changed. No, no, no. I don't want to change. Yeah, well, just to kind of take a look at some of the non-best picture winners of the year, we have The Full Monty. Ever heard of it? I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. Yeah, this is a British movie about one of those factory towns where the factory closes down and no one has a job. So these slubby guys decide to put on their own Chippendales routine. It's a delightful comedy about mail strippers, or amateur mail strippers. You should watch it. I just watched it again recently. Oh, did you? Okay. That should be on my list. Hold that, yeah. Biggest hit in England. At the time, it was the biggest hit of all time in the United Kingdom. I think it did get passed by Titanic, but huge hit over there, across the pond, and did very well internationally, particularly in the United States, where it snagged a Best Picture nomination. Good Will Hunting, knocked it to a society. Also had Minnie Driver in it? No. Minnie Driver, I get this confused with the one where she changes her mind at the end. Oh, that's a lot. I should have looked it up since the last time we were recording the same podcast, but it's a lot to remember. Is that it? I don't know. But I don't think I've seen this movie. Yeah, so this is when we put Matt Damon and Ben Affleck on the map. They wrote their own screenplay, they said, because they have a hard time finding good parts to play. So they wrote their screenplay about a mathematical prodigy from the wrong side of the tracks. He's a janitor at MIT and can solve all the problems that the spoiled students can't. He also develops a friendship with his court-mandated psychiatrist. Why do you have to say spoiled students? Well, you know, have you ever been to Cambridge? I've seen the social networks. You're bashing my son. I would never bash CJ. First of all, he would not. He took some cross-town classes at MIT. Okay, CJ, if you're listening to this and you object... He's not spoiled. Well, he's not from the wrong side of the tracks. Well, I mean, he's blonde, if that's what you mean. He knows Matt Damon. Well, yeah. In real life, he's pretty spoiled. At any rate, he has a court-mandated psychiatrist played by Robin Williams. Oh, why? Is he in trouble with the law? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, he's a young punk kid. Okay, so Robin Williams, of fond memory, is the psychiatrist. Good movie? Oh, good movie, yeah. Yeah, I think you'd like it. Ben Affleck's in it. Casey Affleck is in it, too. And Minnie Driver plays Paul Aventress. Okay, yeah, Ben Affleck. He's very young here. Yeah, a lot of the marketing around the movie had to deal with the story of Matt and Ben. Yeah. The screenwriters and that sort of thing. Probably Weinstein really pushed. Okay, did you know that... What is her name? Mindy Kaling? And some other comedian. RJ Nelson? I don't know. Started out by writing a play about Matt and Ben. Oh. And they played them. Oh, I want to see that. Yeah, so that's how she was discovered as a writer before she got the job through the office. Doing that play that I think was called Matt and Ben. So what's the next one? Oh, you've definitely seen... Oh, love this movie. Yeah. So you saw this movie when it came out, right? Yes, I did. I saw it a couple of times in the theater. Wow. Yeah, because it was playing on base. We lived on base. Yeah, we lived on base in 1997. And so, yeah, it's like a dollar movie. So we went to go see this and then saw it again. And I've seen it a few times since then. I really like this movie. Yeah, so this is kind of about a curmudgeonly older guy and friendship, I guess, that he develops with a single mom waitress. He's not just curmudgeonly, he's OCD. Yeah, very compulsive and he's a real jerk. He has some severe mental incapacity. Yes. And so he develops some friendship with her and his gay neighbor. Yes, even though he is very homophobic. Yes, the neighbor's dog, Burbell. It's a friendship with him, too. This movie, it's so smartly written. It's interesting. It's not like your normal love story. You really don't know it's a love story until like halfway through. Yeah, everything that I don't like about Titanic, this movie shows how it should be done. Well, we'll get into that. We'll get into that. But I, too, love this movie. Yeah, well, it's very different from Titanic, but we'll get into that. Sort of. I like it as good as it gets, too. In some ways, it's a very short movie. We'll talk about that. Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about that. A lot of really standout scenes. So many. I like it. It's written and directed by James Hall Brooks, who I talked about briefly in our Worst of the Best part, too, in terms of environment. Brooks directed that. It's very different from that. Number seven. I'm trying to think of L.A. Confidential. Yeah. It's a novel. It's a neo-noir. Okay. Have you seen it? No. It's wonderful. It's set in the Hollywood of the 40s, and it's got this really juicy crime story with labyrinthine plots that really unfolds wonderfully. Great cast. Kim Basinger plays kind of the femme fatale and just really resurrected her career. Stars Guy Pearce and Russell Crowe. We've seen both of them recently. Guy Pearce in The Hurt Locket, and Russell Crowe was in Gladiator. Gladiator, yeah. The Beautiful Mind, which we didn't review. Russell Crowe was in The Beautiful Mind? Yeah. Who was he? He was the main guy. He was the next on us. Oh. Yeah. And then Kevin Spacey? Yeah, Kevin Spacey's in it. We saw him in American Beauty. Oh, that's very terrible. Also, Frank Underwood. Yeah, Frank Underwood. Danny DeVito's in it. Danny DeVito. Yeah. He's always good. He's always good. Ruthless People, he liked that movie. I do like Danny DeVito. Yeah, it reminds me of Nike. And then James Cromwell from Bape. Yes. Yeah. Also from Succession. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Roy Williams' brother. Logan's brother? Logan's brother, yeah. Greg's father. Greg's grandfather. Greg's grandfather, right. Okay. Yes. He's great in Succession. Yeah, he really is. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. And Kevin Spacey? So, obviously, take a look at the big hits of the year. Titanic is far and away over three times the next highest grossing movie. Oh, my gosh. It was the biggest hit of all time. It's amazing. It opened at only $28 million. Yeah, so this is something we talked about a long time ago that I learned is a big deal, is if you have a low percentage of your opening, a low percentage of your total, it means that ... What's the term for that? It's got legs. Legs, yeah. It's got legs, yeah. Yes, it's got legs. So it's getting a lot of word of mouth. Right. And so Titanic really had a lot of work. I mean, people were obsessed with that movie. Yeah. I mean, completely. It was unreal. Yes. It was like I've known nothing since. Yeah, it was number one for each week since April, maybe? I mean, it was all anybody would talk about. Yeah. There were women who would go four, five, ten times in the theater to go see this movie, this three-hour and ... Three-hour, 12-minute movie. Yeah, like it was a complete obsession. I said I was 30 at the time this came open. I felt like I was the only 30, only woman, adult woman in America that wasn't completely taken with this love story. No. Not the love story. Well, there was maybe one other. Now, there is a very substantial backlash. You're not special. Well, all I knew was people were obsessed with it. Yeah. Anyway, Men in Black. Yeah, Men in Black. It's like the biggest hit of the year. Refreshing to think back on like a hit action movie that's not based on like existing IP or like a comic book. That's true. It's kind of an original story. Yeah. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but it's ... I like Men in Black. I thought you'd like it. Yeah. It's very ... It's definitely better than The Lost Worlds or Asset Park. Okay. It's just kind of a throwaway sequel. And then we'd see this in San Diego. Liar Liar, it's a scary movie, Air Force One. Liar Liar is fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good ... Jim Carrey. It's a good movie about lawyers. Uh-huh. Physical comedy. Yeah. We could have had Jim Carrey. Air Force One. Yeah. And let's get some Good Will Hunting were also big hits. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of ... Star Wars. Star Wars. That's a home one. Yeah. The Star Wars trilogy was re-released. Oh, re-released. Okay. Yeah. Huge hit again. It was a huge hit. This was the 1978 ... 77, yeah. 77 movie. Yes. That ... Okay. Best Picture Loser to ... In 1977? Yeah. Do you remember? No. Oh, wait. We haven't gotten to it yet. Annie Hall. Yes. Good. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Well, we haven't gotten to it yet. George of the Jungle. Yes. Yes, that's the other movie that is the same as Titanic. No, it's not. But I like the ... It is the same. It's the same love story, but ... We'll get into it. No. It's not. Well, yeah. So, let's get into it. Let's get into this movie. Right off the discussion on my nerves. So, Barney, what is Titanic about? Titanic is about the ocean liner, Titanic, that sunk in 1912. 1912. 1912. Sunk in 1912. It was a big deal. And lost a whole bunch of people. Hundreds, if not thousands. Yeah. Two-thirds didn't make it. Yeah. But some survived. Yeah. So, this is something that is, you know, a real human tragedy that has been discussed and made into many movies. And this is a ... It's really captured the public's imagination. Yeah. Yeah. And I do say, you know, this is a movie that I love to bash, but I have, as we have discussed, I have a complicated relationship with it. Because even though I love to bash it, I really like this movie. You might say that a little louder into the mic. I do really like this movie. The part that I bash is the love story. So, what's the love story? The love story is between Jack and Rose. Jack wins a third-class ticket on the boat. He's kind of this pull-himself-up-by-his-bootstrap scamp kind of character. Free-spirited artist. Free-spirited artist. And then Rose plays this very upper-class, wealthy, really, young woman who is engaged to a man who considers himself royalty. I don't know what his relationship to royalty is. So, it's really about the love story between, you know, the 48 hours that they have together on the boat. But I do have to say that this time watching it was the first time that I appreciated that relationship in a new way. Because there is so much that annoys me about the love story that I kind of miss some of the intricacies of their relationship. Anyway, but there's so many other parts of this movie. And I've always said that. Even when I have bashed the movie, I've always said I love all the thinking parts, all the titanic parts, but the love story not so much. But I do have a lot more appreciation of particularly the Jack character this time. Which I've never liked Jack until this time watching. Oh, okay. Yeah. Played by? Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes. Who I really liked in Catch Me If You Can. Yes. That's the first movie because I was kind of turned off from him by this movie. I actually love the Jack character now. Yeah. Watching it this time. You like him in Inception too, right? Or you like Inception? I love Inception. Is he in there? Yeah, he's the main guy. He's the main guy? Oh, he's so much older there. Yeah, 13 years older. Is that all? Oh, gosh. Well, anyway, and then the big problem I do still have with this movie. I do still have problems with the love story the way that James Cameron plays it. But I really have a problem with the framing device. Okay. Yeah, that part I think is completely stupid and I have to sit through that to get to the good parts. But having said that, I would sit down and watch this movie again this week even though I just watched it last week. It's really kind of a great movie. Despite itself, it's a great movie. Yeah. Yeah, I thought we were going to have a bit more of a fight here. Yeah. Apparently not. Certainly, it's not a perfect movie. I really enjoyed curling up with it again. It's so easy to do. Other than the... I think the only part that maybe drags a bit is that framing device, the first 20 minutes or so. I mean, there's stuff that I appreciate about it, but there is a lot of restraint after that first section. It doesn't really come back very much. It's so stupid. Well, we'll get there. Everything after that, the world building is just phenomenal. I watched it twice. When I go through these, I want to sit first in a single sitting. And then I'll usually watch it in 15-minute increments and then take notes and reflect on it and come back. I had a hard time turning it off after 15 minutes. It's very absorbing. It keeps moving. It really moves fast. For a three-hour, 12-minute movie, it goes a lot faster than a lot of the two-hour movies we've been watching. Yeah, and you mentioned the world building. And we have talked about this before, but this is what James Cameron is so good at. He builds this world of this 1912 environment on the Titanic, which has several levels to it. First of all, there's just the ship level. But then it's this glimpse into this upper-class world and the lower class. It's just that whole... Yeah, it sounds like class struggle physically on the ship. Yeah. We haven't talked about it yet, but part of the real extensible movie is that he built the Titanic at 90% scale. Same ship, but just nine-tenths of it. Yeah, not far off from here. Yeah, off the coast of Mexico. Yeah, right. But off Tijuana, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, I think his skill at world building is also very... He has so much versatility, because this is great world building. Avatar, as much as I dislike the movie in several respects, has great world building. The Abyss, the Terminator franchise, Aliens. These are all very different worlds. Are those all James Cameron movies? Yeah. Oh, okay. They're all very different worlds. He's just good at world building. Yeah, and this is taken from reality, but really just so immersive. And it's not just the upper class and the lower class, but even below the steerage class, you get the bowels of the ship with the workers who are making it run, and they're the ones that are... It's like a dream ship. Yeah, it's almost like hell. It's kind of like Dante's Inferno, the way it goes down. Right, the levels. Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's true. What I do appreciate from that training device, which I do agree is flawed, is... It's terribly flawed. What I do appreciate about it, I think that that... I think it's really crucial that we get that graphic of how the ship falls. Right. Not necessarily how it's actually done in the story itself. Which is cruel. Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing about the necklace and the shipping this woman out to the... The 100-year-old woman that they ship out to the middle of the ocean. This was written to give Jim Cameron an excuse to go down and see the actual ship, which is the other part that I appreciate is the footage of the actual Titanic. It's so amazing. And to start with that before we see it rebuilt. I do like that. It's so amazing. Yeah. It's just that screenplay part that has to do with the framing is so stupid. I like that we see the ship, and then we talked about how those... Kind of like we're floating through on the shot, seeing the ship, and then it transforms into the modern day, or into a current... And then we do get a teaser of that when we're going through, and then we see it entering the ballroom. Yeah. And then it kind of goes back. It's kind of a teaser of what's to come. But then, once we actually go back to the Titanic, we don't come back very often. Right. No. Not very often. Which is good. We come back so that she can tell her granddaughter how it was. Her experience. Yeah. That's so dumb. It's a little awkward. It's very awkward. As much as I appreciate the old woman who did that, her... Gloria Stewart. Yeah. Who I guess is famous, but... She's famous. Oh, yeah. She was starting in the 30s. But it's such... The dialogue is so stupid. The premise is moronic. This old woman on a wheelchair, we're bringing her out to... Yeah. I mean, it's a framing device. Yeah. It's just so contrived. It's definitely contrived. I mean, we spent so much time building this world. Couldn't you just go a little farther? Anyway, so... I agree with your flaws, but maybe not how bad it is. Yeah. I just wouldn't deduct that many. And I do have to say that part of my annoyance with this movie had to do with... I mean, really, everybody in my neighborhood. Everybody just was obsessed with this. I watched it, and I'm like, I don't... And they were all obsessed with the love story part. So I think part of it was just my personal, like, well, it's not as great as what you're saying. Sort of like, what's that movie with the deaf people? CODA. CODA. Yeah. Deaf people. If that movie had won Best Picture, I would just really like that. I would have watched it and been like, it's such a sweet movie. I'd watch it again, but... Yeah. I mean, then I think, you know, CODA, I had seen before, it was a Best Picture winner. And this movie I saw opening weekend, so... Yeah. I think it does make a difference if you're going into it thinking this is, like, the most profound statement of love a human being can ever make. Because it's not... I'm forgiving of the central love story. I wouldn't say that it's... I think what I like about it is that it's just pure melodrama. Yeah. And that it's not... Well, let's get into that, because you did say you appreciate it a little bit more. Yeah. Because I have been so, you know... I mean, I saw this movie when I was 30, so I would have been... Yeah, probably I had... I probably already turned 31 by the time I saw it. The fact that you've got these two teenagers that fell in love in 48 hours. Yeah. And I... At the time, you probably had daughters who were nearing that age. No. Laura was, like, seven at this point. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Never mind. Laura would have been six or seven. No, but I was already on my... I was probably pregnant with Juliana. I was already pregnant with Juliana, so I was a little tired anyway. Oh, yeah. And a little tired and cynical about just the teenagers. Yeah. So I was just... It didn't... The love story... You're like Jack Nicholson. I did love that one. That one was so good. But anyway, I... The thing that I missed then, instead of looking at it as, like, the greatest love story of all time, I tried to watch it with an open mind this time with their love story, and I did see things that I had missed before. And if you see it as a... It was young teenage love, but you see him displaying signs of true love in that he wills the good of the other. He sees this girl who is trapped for whatever reason. I know rich girl problems, all that kind of stuff. Right. And she is trapped, and he feels great compassion for her. Yeah. And even if he gets nothing out of it himself, he just wants what's best for her. Yeah. And he shows her, you know, he tries to help her help herself to rescue herself. And really that is what it ends up with, with that final scene. You know, it's about him wanting her to rescue herself out of this and go on and survive this and do it. And you just kind of see all the way through. She has a very immature response to a lot of these things. Yes. But he actually shows great depth and maturity, and I never noticed that before. No, that's one of the things that struck me, despite how the erotic parts of it. It's actually a very chaste love story in that his pursuit of her is not because he thinks she's hot or he wants to get with her. Even when he's sketching her nude, he's very professional about it. He's not like, you know, not like Mel Gazi. It's like he's really just looking out for what's best for her. Yeah. And even like, take another kind of flimsy love story, like in American and Paris, there's no sex and nudity in that. So that was a lot more, you know, he's pursuing her because he sees her and she's like an object. It's much more objectifying than what we see here. And that's not necessarily a criticism. It's a different movie doing different things. But I was very struck by, I don't know if chaste is the right word, but how his attraction is not sexual. Right. And they do have a sex scene in this. Or she seems very inexperienced, at least how it's done. It's much more awkward than she is. Yeah, that's true. And I had, that was also something, I think even last time we discussed this, at least my thought on that point was, like, that part ruined it a little bit for me. Just have them not consummate it. But I do think it plays an important role in that what it does is it's about, that shows her really severing it off with her, breaking ties and moving strongly in another direction. Because that does, you know, adultery will break a relationship, right? Yes. And it will sever it. And unless you do something major to repair it, that's a real kind of severing. So I can see that as a device that's used. So I do appreciate that more, the whole actual love story where, you know, you've got the overbearing mother and the rich fiancé and the, you know, the suitor who is, you know, sort of more primal and all that is exactly George of the Jungle. Except that George of the Jungle laughs at itself. And you have the same sort of thing where she enters his world and then he enters her world. Well, the story's been told over and over again. It's very similar, actually, to the Shakespearean love, too, the next year. Yeah. But, I mean, you compare that to a Casablanca, which is a much more sophisticated love story based on years instead of 48 hours. Right. Yeah. If that's your standard, you're not going to enjoy very many movies. Yeah. But I do have to say that, you know, even my complaints, although I'm sticking with the framing devices, it's really ironic. Yeah. But the, you know, love story, I at least, other than the ending sequence, where it's like he was the love of her life, he played an important role in her life. He changed her life. He did. I mean, to be fair, she did never speak about him and had a totally different life. Yeah. Apparently, she had a long marriage to somebody. Yeah. You don't hear a lot about it. Right. She has at least one grandchild. Yeah. But what I appreciate about, there's two things I like about the love story, is it's just a very simple, melodramatic framework to invest us in the story and to move things along. And it's through that that we get a sense of just the world around them and some of the other things that have a lot more poignancy at the end. Yeah. Like, I really love the ship's captain, where we get the scene where he doesn't go into the boat. The captain goes down with the ship, proverbially. And we see that, by the time we get to that scene, we know that he knew better than to light all the boilers. We don't really see him make the decision to do that, but we know why he does it, and we know that he knows that that was wrong. Yeah. Without that being a whole subplot. Right. We just get it planted and paid off. And in the meantime, we're kind of distracted by this silly romance. Right. So it almost has more poignancy that way. I agree, yeah. Where I think if this was a Casablanca or, like, we're really invested in this romance, I just think that it would kind of overwhelm a lot of the other stuff. Yeah. So I like that it's really simple. Also what I like about it is it's through them that it takes us through every part of the ship. Yeah. Starting from the masthead and ending on the masthead. Yeah. Where we get the sense of the world building through the upper class ballrooms and dining rooms, and then we get into those battles of the ship where the workers are, we see the makeshift prison, and we go up and down and see every part of the ship through that. Where you really need a sort of giddy teenage, teenagers, you know, being silly and escaping because of their true love. Yeah. That does make sense that they would run through the ship, and that's how we're able to. They're running from the bastardly villain who is, like, ridiculous, but almost, like, so good it's bad performance by Billy Zane. Yeah. Playing a role that I think, very similar role to what Colin Firth played in Shakespeare in Love, but much better. Yeah. I do like, Billy Zane has had a good sense of humor about it, and he's the handy guy from Titanic. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Yeah, and their love story, or their so-called erotics, you know, where they have sex. It also, it kind of is a way of also showing us this part of the ship where they're transporting the rich people's cars, and it's a different part that we've seen in other parts of the movie. And it's kind of interesting to see that, oh, yeah, of course, they're also, like, there's the luxury line-up, but they're also transporting to get their cars across the sea, and so it's just, it also shows us all these different parts of the ship. But, and just all the periphery, it's just magnificent. Yeah. You know, the musicians. The priest. Yeah, the priest who's kind of hanging on, and people are hanging on to him. Things come into such a great job representing it visually. Oh, so good. Yeah, I think his writing struggles with the bio-op. Yeah. It's just not good. You know, he's great at world-building and putting forth simple ideas and making them interesting. Yeah. Without getting kind of hammy, like the Picasso joke. Yeah. It's kind of hammy. But really, the part that really sticks in people's ears now is the slave ship line, or the neat row. She's like, I was going on to a slave ship that's being brought to America in chains. It's like, that's, read the room. Yeah, that's true. Well, my comparison with As Good As It Gets, the scene where it's the same, is the nude sketch scene. You have that in both, a nude sketch. So, in As Good As It Gets, that is the scene where you have the Helen. Bridget Kinnier. Yeah, Kinnier and Helen Hunt. Helen Hunt. Yeah. They have that scene where it's not erotic at all. Well, he's gay in this, so this wasn't any love scene. But it was this, it broke him out of his rut that he was in, and kind of emancipated her in this very entertaining way, and annoyed the heck out of the Melvin character. Yes. I think he did. Yeah, he finds out about it afterwards. But it's very much the same, a very similar thing, where you have this scene where they have the artist sketching the woman nude. But I think it's done much better in As Good As It Gets. I mean, I haven't seen As Good As It Gets in a while. I mean, I think it's, I like how it's done here in that he's just very much, as I said, it's not like he's ogling it. Right. How about he's not an object? He does great through it. I mean, it definitely shows her as the, I mean, it's a coming of age story for her. Yeah, right, exactly. And, you know, who knows how much of it is true, quote unquote. I mean, she's relaying a story from 80 years before that she hasn't talked about since, and how much of it... Well, I mean, the reason she's relaying it is because they have the picture of the nude. Yes. So, I mean, that's her... Survived very well. Yeah. Anyway, that's part of the framework. But I do think it does speak well to the Jack character. It does. Yeah, and it furthers the plot along. Yeah, and it's like, I really like Leonardo DiCaprio in that. You know, where he comes in, it's not just a, oh, wow, she's hot, who's this? It's like, okay, I'm involved now. Yeah. I've seen you in a vulnerable spot, and now I'm involved. Yeah, right. And it's really good. And then what the movie does that's so amazing is that it's how they do the whole ship crashing and sinking. And I think that you're right. I think that having this distracting love story makes everything else more profound because they can deal with it with a little bit more subtle hand. Yeah. But it really, you know, when you realize, like, this happened to people. Really? They were just dumped into the ocean in this terrifying way and had to deal with these, you know, not enough lifeboats. And the incompetence. Yeah. Like, this ship that represents, like, the pinnacle of the Industrial Revolution, and look what this amazing thing that man has made. It's like the boats are toppling over, and they're putting them out, like, 12 people in a boat that's at 60, and they're crashing on the deck and crashing into each other. It's just, they don't know what they're doing. Even the name of the ship, which is the true name, the Titanic. Titanic. That's a very arrogant name. Yeah. Very prideful. Yeah, very prideful, and I think that's why we've been captivated with this story for over 100 years. Yeah. I mean, it might sound kind of corny, but it's kind of like it's, you know, the 19th century went down on the Titanic. This kind of gilded age of this industrial type of upper class. You know, we've talked about before him being royalty. It's just really kind of the, well, I think he gets his money from oil or something. Industrial is the ownership royalty. Yeah. And, you know, this is, you know, the ship sinks, and then two years later, you have World War I, where, you know, Europe is transformed from this place of ancient kingdoms to nation states, and, you know, another World War. This is like the last vestige of the Victorian era. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. And the Victorian era, even though it's over, it really sinks with the Titanic. That's very profound. Yeah. Well, thank you. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what is kind of the mystique that the tragedy has had through the years that I think James Cameron really represents so well. Yeah. So, I'm with you. The movie has flaws, but it's a great movie. And I think it's, yeah, I would say the flaws actually make it work, too. I think you could improve on the flaws. You could definitely, well, both of the movies have flaws you can improve on in some ways. I think it could be a top ten movie if it's, you know. Yeah, it could be. I mean, it's, but again, I think the, certainly the framing device could use the most work. Yeah. But I don't know that I'd tinker that much with the love story. I agree. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that. As a matter of fact, I think the framing device is what makes, sort of emphasizes, blah, blah, blah. But I would tinker with the framing device, and then it becomes maybe a top ten movie. But I don't have any arguing at 38. Or maybe it will be a top ten movie if, you know, 27 or the ones above it we just don't like as much. Yeah. Not with that framing device. Well, we'll see. I refuse. Okay. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I don't have it the highest, actually, of the movies we've looked at. But it would be in the top ten. Do you have a ranking? I haven't seen your ranking, Jenna. How did I have it ranked? I had it ranked pretty high. I think I still have, from here, the eternity first. Oh, no. I meant in the aggregate. I had it at 42. Okay. So pretty similar. Pretty similar. Okay. Yeah, that seems right. But it's moved up for you. Yeah, I think so. I don't think 38 is. We'll see. I think there are movies we've already looked at that I like a little bit better. And I think there are movies still to come that, unless they wow me, I would not have as much. But I will watch them again with an open mind. There are movies that I don't like as much. This is a classic. As much as I really love L.A. Confidential and probably voted for it, I just think this is a classic. It stands out. It's very important. And watching it, even though I've watched it several times, yeah, I'm starting to get over myself with this movie. Yeah. It really is. Well, I have it recorded now. Yeah, you do have it recorded. Probably we're going to have a bigger argument. A bigger argument, but I don't. And who knows? Maybe someday I'll watch CODA for another time. And once I get my annoyance that it won Best Picture out, then maybe I will. Yeah. And I would say I like it anyway. It's not like I don't like that movie. I do like CODA. I don't think it deserved Best Picture. That's what I kind of think that's. Yeah. No, I agree. Yeah, I know. I mean, look at what it did. Just the world. And I like this Best Picture lineup. I mean, I think if any of the five won, I wouldn't be too negative on it, actually. Yeah. But, yeah. So we're in violent agreement. I know. I'm surprised. Yeah. I'm a little surprised, too. Yeah. So what's for the next one? Okay. For, let's see. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Works. It works. So Titanic got 14 nominations. That's a lot. That is the most in history. Really? Tied with All About Eve, which we haven't gotten to yet. Oh, and Everything, Everywhere, All at Once? 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