The Sound of Music

The podcast hosts discuss the 1965 Best Picture winner, "The Sound of Music," and their personal history with the film. They also mention other films from that year, including "Darling," "Ship of Fools," "A Thousand Clowns," and "Dr. Zhivago." They share their opinions on these films and discuss the directors and actors involved. Hi, welcome to Chippewa Cinema. I'm Bennett. And I'm Donnie. And welcome to our podcast. I think we should start at the very beginning. It's a very good place to start. Very good place to start. When you're counting down the best picture winner who works the best, you start with Cimarron. But when you're up to number 28, what did we get? What are we talking about today? The Sound of Music. Yes. Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it. From 1965. 1965. So what's your history with the Sound of Music? My history is... I've seen it many times. Right. But don't be mad. I'm not going to be mad. Okay. I've seen it many times. I love this movie. I love the music. I love the... But I have not seen this movie for a couple of years because I did not watch it this week. Okay. Well, you know. I thought about getting up three and a half hours early. Okay. But then I thought, you know, my role on this is kind of the movie stooge. And this is totally something that a movie... Right. Exactly. But you're able to discuss it. I can discuss this movie and then we'll... Yes. But I did want to be upfront and not fake it. Okay. But I do love this movie. I've watched it since I was a child and re-watched it and I read their... We have a book on... Von Trapp. The Von Trapp family singers. The Von Trapp family singers. I just love this. Yeah. You probably remember I was pretty obsessed with this movie as a kid. I recorded it off of a TV broadcast on VHS to show my age. And that's really the version that I watched over and over again. But I watched it so much that even watching it this time, all these years later, I still knew when the commercial breaks were in the movie. And I was like, oh, I'm watching it on this now and it's not going to go to commercial. But I still like, I know. And it was like, if that commercial was kind of edited for time, so there were little bits that were cut out, so I still spotted those moments. Okay. I didn't bring back the DVD because I would like to watch it. Well, you should. I don't know why you don't want to watch it. I do want to watch it. No, you've been busy. We've been busy. The other thing is I don't have access to my DVD player really because we've got construction all day every day. Oh, yeah. Sure. No problem. Anyway. And last weekend was bonkers. Right. No, that's fine. You don't have to apologize. I thought when you said, don't hate me, I thought you were going to say, but I hate the movie now. Oh, no. It's so good. So I'm very familiar with this movie. I was not actually very familiar with a lot of the losers, actually. Three of them I hadn't seen until very recently. Which? Well, we'll start off with Darling. Oh, I never heard of that. Yeah, this was a British movie. Julie Christie stars as this modern woman leading kind of a jet set life, very 60s kind of cosmopolitan magazine, sex and the single girl type of thing. And these two men she's involved with, it was a critical, this was kind of the critic's Darling from that year. Okay. I guess the pun was intended, but it's very, very modern. Praise for that. It was praised for being modern in 1965. You know, I think for the same reason, it does kind of feel dated now. It's directed by the British director John Schlesinger, who would go on to win the Best Director Oscar a few years later for Midnight Cowboy. Oh. Yeah, so. Oh. This movie kind of made Midnight Cowboy possible in a certain sense. Oh. Okay. We haven't listened to our episode of Midnight Cowboy yet. I didn't like it. Also, Ship of Fools. Oh, also, never heard of this. Yeah, this is kind of an ensemble drama, kind of like Love Boatish, where these takes place on a luxury cruise in the years before World War II, where all these large cast of characters and each one has their own little dramas that they're going through. It's directed by Stanley Kramer, who directed a lot of, I don't know if I'd say, prestige movies. He did Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, which you saw pretty recently. Yes, I did, just a few weeks ago. Yeah, we talked about it on our In the Heat of the Night podcast. Who's that actor, bottom left? Oh, that's Vivian Leigh. No, no, no, the guy. Vivian Leigh? Oh, yeah. Vivian Leigh from... From Gone With the Wind. Yeah. Was she the star of Gone With the Wind? Yeah, she starred in O'Hara. Oh, okay. She's also known for A Streetcar Named Desire. Yeah, she... She's with Lee Marvin. Lee Marvin. And that's Greenshot I have up. Do I know Lee Marvin? He did a lot of villain work, a lot of westerns. But not my three favorites. No, that's Fred McMurray. Fred McMurray. Yeah. Does he look like Fred McMurray? No. No, not really. He looks more like Fred McMurray than Vivian Leigh, I think. But this is Vivian Leigh's last movie. Really? She passed away, unfortunately, in 1966. I think 1966. She doesn't look very old here. She died of tuberculosis. She had... She was probably about... If she was in her 20s in Gone With the Wind, she would have been probably in her 50s or early 60s, right? How'd she get tuberculosis? She had a lot of health problems, unfortunately. Her last few years were really sad. I think the last 10 to 15 years, she struggled with really debilitating bouts of depression. She divorced Laurence Olivier. I think related to all those issues she was dealing with. And then I believe her cause of death was tuberculosis, but she had a lot of health problems. Kind of sad for such a major movie star. We'll see her again when we get with Gone With the Wind. Probably one of the most iconic performances in movie history. The third one that I haven't seen before is called A Thousand Clowns. I've not heard of any of these. Yeah. This is also a very 60s movie. Recommended as adult entertainment? Yes. Wow. This is kind of in that period. And it's not a dirty movie. This is before the rating system, but as the production code is kind of falling away and people aren't paying attention to it. They just didn't want young children to come because it had clowns in the name. Yeah, maybe that's it. It's definitely a movie for adults. It's not dirty. I don't think it was even worth it. We just have a different connotation of adult entertainment than just letting people know this isn't like Mary Poppins. Not the sound of music. Right, not the sound of music. That young actress looks familiar. Do we know her from anywhere? Yeah. That's Barbara Harris. She's in a lot of stuff in the 70s. I know her most from Family Plot. Oh, she was in the... Woody Allen show? No. It was a Woody Allen show. No, the Woody Allen movie that we watched. No. No, no, that was Barbara Hershey. Barbara Hershey, okay. Yeah, good memory. And her sisters. You probably know her best from Freaky Friday. If you saw the original with Jodie Foster. Yeah, yeah, okay. She's the mom? She's the mom. Okay. Yeah. This movie is about kind of a... Jason Robarts plays a... anti-establishment type of writer. He doesn't conform to society's rules, but he's raising his nephew who is abandoned. It's kind of a dramatic comedy. The premise is that whatever was in the 60s was kind of the role of the Child Protective Services, just making sure that he has a suitable environment for the kid, that he doesn't feel like he should have a job, or life is about... That's very 60s mindset. Worth those, watch? Yeah, I like that. I found it on YouTube for free. Nice. I like free. Yeah. So those three that I haven't seen before, and you haven't even heard of, there's one more major movie. I actually don't think you've seen it, but I'll eat my shorts if you haven't heard of it. Oh, I have heard of it. Which is Dr. Zhivago, of course. It's a major romantic historical epic. Oh, I have heard of it. I would not have known that it would look like that. I mean, this is based on a novel. Yeah, based on a Boris Pasternak novel. This is a sweeping romantic epic set in Russia in World War I, before, during, and after the Russian Revolution. Is it any good? It looks terrible. No, it is good. Alec Guinness, is that Star Wars? Yeah, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan, yes. Yeah, we will see him in The Bridge on the River Kwai, and Lords of Arabia. Is he... I don't remember who he plays in this. You would know Rod Steiger, who plays the husband. It's kind of an adulterous love story. Rod Steiger, who we know as the sheriff in In the Heat of the Night. Oh, yeah. And we will see him again on the waterfront. Okay, as a young man. Charlie's brother, yeah. I don't know if we talked about it in In the Heat of the Night, but you remember that Marty was based on a TV movie? Yes. He played Marty, too. Oh, okay. Rod Steiger, yeah. I like, he was just great. So great in In the Heat of the Night. Yeah. Yeah, he was great in Marty, too. Siobhan McKenna. That sounds like the gal from Succession. That name. Shiv? Shiv, yes. Isn't that her name, Siobhan? Yeah. It's not the same person. No, but I never heard that name except for Succession. Oh, yeah. Here it is again. Yeah, I don't remember her role. The star, of course, the romantic leads are Omar Sharif and Julie Christie, who was also in Darling. So she had a real breakthrough year here. Okay. Major hit, and this was kind of a front runner for Best Picture in a lot of ways. Okay. This one was. A real deal. So you like this movie? I do. I do. It's directed by David Lean, who really does a great job with these sweeping historical epics. This is his previous movie with Lawrence of Arabia. Okay. Which was a Best Picture winner. Have we seen that? Not yet. It's coming up. And his movie before Lawrence of Arabia was The Bridge on the River Kwai. Wow. Which also won Best Picture. So this going in as a front runner would be like he made three movies in a row. Wow. Well, this one lost, but. Okay. I definitely like the other two better. He does such a great job of managing the scope and the scale and the grandeur with kind of intimate character development and fascinating personalities. I think this one is much more weighted towards the scale and the sweep than those other two are much more fascinating character portraits, which you will see eventually. Eventually. You've seen both of those, right? You've seen Bridge on the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia. I've never seen Lawrence of Arabia. Oh, okay. Is that a Best Picture winner? Are we going to see that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Actually, both of them, right? Both of them. Yeah. I have seen Bridge on the... That's the... I have seen that one. Yeah. Prison camp or something. Of course. Just looking at the year 1965 in terms of what was popular. Of course, you have Descender music, which is difficult to say what a phenomenon it was. This is the first movie to task on with the wind as the biggest moneymaker of all time. Really? That's a lot of years later. A lot of years later. It's like 25... Depending how you count it, I think Ben-Hur kind of got... Depending how you count all the re-releases and stuff, but Ben-Hur at least got close. Okay. Sound of Music was a phenomenon. It stayed in theaters for four years, which means it was still playing in theaters when The Mad Cowboy was released for the last movie. I think a really fun double feature. Doctors of Auto was also just a massive hit. It was just a lot of really 70s stuff like That Darned Cat. I have seen That Darned Cat. Have you ever seen that? Oh, yeah. We would watch it. It would come on TV. Yeah. I'm sure it's on Disney Plus. It's the classic. Okay. Hayley Mills... Did Hayley Mills play the twins in... In The Parent Trap. The Parent Trap, yeah. Thunderball, the fourth James Bond movie. Oh, okay. Fourth, right? Fourth or fifth? I have no idea. Dr. No from Russia with Love, Goldfinger. I think it's fourth. Is this still Sean Connery? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry to yawn while I did that. No problem. Sean Connery. I also missed it. But yeah, this is very mid-60s list. Yeah. Number 16 on that list is How to Murder Your Wife. Yeah. Yeesh. I'm so upset about it. I've never seen it. And How the Beatles Movie was number 16. Okay. Yeah, I did not know until we sat down today that the Beatles even had movies. I've seen The Monkees. That is interesting. I just noticed, like, so going by the top movies, number five is That Darn Cat. Number seven is Cat Malouf. And number eight is Let's Do Pussycat. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a big cat. I think only one of those is about a cat. But I thought just to show how massively successful this kind of music was, I also pulled up, according to Box Office Mojo, the biggest money makers of all time adjusted for inflation. Okay. Sound of Music is third of all time. Wow. The adjusted for inflation is behind only some of the women's Star Wars. Star Wars, this is the 1977 when it came out. Yeah, this is... Because we didn't call it Episode Four at that point. No, we didn't. We didn't call it Episode Four. It's just Star Wars. It's just Star Wars. Come on, yeah. For Gen X, it's just Star Wars. But at any rate, that was... Wow, it's above Titanic. Above Titanic, above the EP. But what's also notable is number eight, Dr. Zhivago. Oh. Within the top 10 movies of all time, it was a huge, huge hit that same year. Between The Sound of Music and Dr. Zhivago, I mean, you have E.T., Titanic, The Ten Commandments, and Jaws. So Gone with the Wind is top on that list. Yeah. That's so interesting. Wait, Casablanca. Why is Casablanca not on this? It's not. It doesn't... Jaws is on it. Yeah. The Exorcist. We're not going to watch The Exorcist? No. You can if you want. You're allowed to watch it. 101 Dalmatians. Yeah. And this is total lifetime gross adjusted for inflation. So it does include any re-releases. So that helps the Disney movies, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah. 10 and 12. They did get released a lot. So right in February. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting list. Sound of Music. Then Her, which is at 14. Yeah. And we saw Titanic. We will see Gone with the Wind. But not Jaws. Not Jaws, but you can watch it if you want. What did... E.T. didn't win. Who did E.T. lost? E.T. lost to Gandhi. Oh, that's right. We talked about that a long time ago. Yeah, we talked about that. Okay. I did like Gandhi. Yeah. Yeah. I like Gandhi a lot, too. But it was down in the 58th. Wow. That's a long ago. Almost 30 spots below Midnight Cowboy. Yeah. We've been doing this for almost a year. We've been doing it for a long time now. It's fun. Yeah. So, yeah. Let's talk about The Sound of Music. What's The Sound of Music about? The Sound of Music is about this young woman who, I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but it's about this young woman. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. She's in her 50s. 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As things were headed towards war, but the Auschwitz is the name of the kind of nonviolent takeover of Austria by, basically they were annexed by Germany. It wasn't put through like the invasion that Czechoslovakia or Poland was. They just kind of capitulated and the officers and officials were expected to fall in line. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And she, of course, a big part of the movie is her teaching the children to sing and that factors into how they're able to escape the country. Yeah. Yeah. So that's stars Julie Andrews. Stars Julie Andrews in her second movie. Yeah. You must really. Yeah. Mary Poppins is her film debut. No. Yeah. Really? Yep. How old was she in Mary Poppins? I don't know. Probably, I mean, I think she's in her 20s. So she had a Broadway career. She started off with, actually, My Fair Lady on Broadway. Oh, that's right. Kind of a story about how she was. You're still better. You love Julie Andrews because you also used to like dress up as Mary Poppins. Can you say that? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I still do sometimes. Yeah. I love that. She's amazing. She's just amazing. Yeah. Phenomenal. I think she was around Dad's age. So probably in her 20s. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Mid 20s. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I think My Fair Lady came out in about 56, the Broadway version. So it was a big hit. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing when you think, you look back and you think a young 20s, even into mid 20s. Boy, that's not much older than the teenagers, children. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which is a challenge. 16 going on 17. Yeah. So there's so many things to like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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