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A discussion of Jacob, Abraham, Moses and Jesus dealing with the kind of prayer which can move the heart of God and can prevail with God and with man. Based on relationship with God; knowing His heart and His ways.
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A discussion of Jacob, Abraham, Moses and Jesus dealing with the kind of prayer which can move the heart of God and can prevail with God and with man. Based on relationship with God; knowing His heart and His ways.
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A discussion of Jacob, Abraham, Moses and Jesus dealing with the kind of prayer which can move the heart of God and can prevail with God and with man. Based on relationship with God; knowing His heart and His ways.
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The speaker is happy to see the group and praises them for prevailing against challenges. The subject of the discussion is prevailing prayer. They define prevailing as coming to prominence or gaining attention by means of strength, skill, or endurance. They give examples from the Bible of individuals who prevailed in prayer, such as Judah, Jacob, Moses, and Joshua. They discuss how prevailing prayer can overcome challenges and persuade or dissuade God. They emphasize the importance of having a strong relationship with God and seeking His favor. I'm happy to see all of you, nice group already tonight, praise God for you, prevailing against the internet and its challenges and the batteries and the electrical charge and all of that. Praise the Lord, you are here. Yes, believe in that. So yeah, tonight the subject is prevailing prayer. And so I think we should just simply begin with a definition. What does it mean to prevail? To prevail, go ahead, well Brother Casey, you already have your microphone open. Take a shot at this. What does it mean to prevail? That's what you get for leaving your microphone open. Oh, I'm sorry, I wanted to reply amen, I'm not so great. Okay, but let me try. The first time I got interested in the word prevail was in the occasion of Judah. I'm trying to define from the Bible where the word is translated prevail. The Bible says, but Judah prevailed over his brethren, even though the firstborn right belonged to Joseph. So to prevail means to come to prominence, to gain attention. By what means? In the case of Judah, there was a time where he had an argument with the other 10 tribes. The Bible says his voice prevailed over them. By means of maybe strength, or skill, or endurance, one can prevail. So Judah was the first instance. The second instance where I came across the word prevail, and it also interested me, was Jacob. After his troubles with the angels, the angels told him, look, what's your name? He said, Jacob. He said, no. You are a prince. You are a prince. Your name shall be Israel because you have prevailed. You have prevailed with, he said, you have, how do they put it, kind of struggled with both man and God and prevailed. So to prevail means either by skill or by strength. To gain yourself into prominence, to gain attention. If somebody prevails, he gains attention, he comes into prominence, he overcomes. A kind of opposing force comes into prominence. So that's what it means to prevail. Yes. Anybody want to add to that? That's an excellent definition. I'm typing it in the chat. Praise God. Yes, Emmanuel. Tonight's study is very close to my heart in a lot of ways, and I would bet my contributions as it is in my heart. Now looking at the word prevail, it means to overcome an imminent challenge. It means to be able to overcome something like a present challenge of the moment that you are struggling with, something that is opposing you, something that is, you know, putting a restraint to you going somewhere, a restraint, an opposition, a challenge. You overcoming it, you getting over it is what I see the word prevail to illustrate. Good. We'll leave room for one more person. Okay. With all the definitions so far, Reverend, I think I've learned from the definitions so far. But I used to see, I can also see prevail from the standpoint of persuasion, you know, if you can influence one's opinion or you can persuade or even dissuade at the same time, you know, someone from their choice and, you know, from that which they wanted to do or that which they didn't want to do, you have that compelling force, you know, on them. So I see prevail, you know, to play that out. I like that definition because we'll look later in the life of Abraham who prevailed with God and persuaded and dissuaded God in something. Can anyone think of another example of a different person who persuaded or dissuaded God in prayer? Who else besides Abraham? I think Hezekiah. Moses. Okay. So I hear two. Let's hear first Zedekiah. Let's hear first, that was Emmanuel. Hezekiah. Go ahead. Yes. Yes, sir. When the verdict from God came to the prophet that he was going to die, that he should put his eyes in order, King Hezekiah spoke to the Lord in prayer and the Lord turned around the verdict by reason of his prevailing prayer, his persuasive prayer, and gave him an extra 15 years. Hmm. Good one. Go ahead, Cassander. Okay. I see Moses. Moses had such an influence that the Lord would say, allow me to go destroy this people. God had to ask the man to allow him, permit me. In other words, he knew Moses could argue out the case for Moses. He said, because God had said, look, I'm going to raise another nation through you. And Moses said, Lord, look at it. The hidden will look at you as one who was not able to take them all the way. He said, oh, God delivered them from Egypt and allowed them to all perish in the wilderness. So he argued out the case with God and prevailed. God listened to him. So Moses is one man that prevailed. Then Joshua is also a striking man. Because for Joshua, the Bible says it was in, it was Joshua that was the first man God had. It's not as if God was not hearing people, but a man that asked for more time. And the Bible says, and the son stood still over that man and God had him. So Moses had, I said, sorry, Joshua had such a dealing with God that was reckoned as the one whom God listened to. He prevailed in a dimension that no man has. And for almost a day, the son stood still. So Joshua is also a striking example of a man that prayed a prevailing prayer. It's a strange one at that. Yeah, that's quite amazing that God would listen. God had these tyrants who was angry with the people. He had determined their destruction. And yet Moses prevailed with God. And what did Moses stand on when he's talking to God in all humility and in all boldness? What is Moses standing on? What is Moses standing on in his prayer, which prevailed with God? God doesn't listen to foolishness or simple emotions. Moses didn't stand on emotions. Oh, I'm going to lose my nephew. No, that's not what God, what moved the heart of God for Abraham. It's not what moved the heart of God for Moses. So when Moses prayed for his people, what did he stand on? What legal terms, brother Savior, can you help us make you think? Brother Emmanuel, you're welcome, please. If you want to pass on it, that's fine. When you talk about Abraham and you talk about Moses, what I can quickly get into my mind is that all these people were standing on their firm and warm and established relationship. Relationship. Yes. Very good. Because the Bible defines Abraham as friend of God and the Bible defines Moses as friend of God. So they had an established, firm, and very warm relationship, which they established over a long period of time through their obedience, especially whenever he commanded them to do anything or whenever they received any conviction from God. And I find it very interesting, Lawrence, I think your definition adds a depth to what very well that Cassandou had defined such. If you look in the group chat, not on Zoom, but on WhatsApp, you'll see the word story. It's called the word story. Where this word came from. And it's two parts to this word. It means to be before, in front, or first. And secondly, valere, to be powerful, to be valiant, to be strong, and to be powerful enough. Hallelujah. I know I'm not powerful enough in myself, as we all recognize. There are challenges that will put any good person to draw back, as we were talking about last week, to lose courage. The life can send you, and I think God can allow, circumstances which supersede your ability to prevail. And so we're grateful it's not by might and it's not by power. It's by the spirit of the living God. So in response to Faber's comment as well, you all have laid an excellent foundation for where my outline was already going. So you've advanced us one third of the way into this study. Let's pull up this verse regarding Jacob, which I discovered in the book of Hosea, of all places. I was actually quite surprised to find it. Hosea chapter 12, verse 2 through 6, Isaiah 12, 2 through 6. So Brother Cassandra would be good to be first to read tonight, if you're able. Hosea 12, 2 to 6. The Lord had also a controversy with Judah, and we punish Jacob according to his ways, according to his doings. We here recompense him. He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God. Yet he had power over the angel and prevailed. He wept and made supplication unto him. He found him in Bethlehem, and there he spoke with us. Even the Lord God of hosts, the Lord, is his memorial. Therefore turn thou to thy God, keep mercy and judgment, and wait on thy God continually. He's encouraging the people of God to consider Jacob. And one of the things that he encouraged them to consider Jacob, Jacob who sinned against his brother, and should have been fully repaid when his brother Esau was coming with 400 men to meet him after all of those many years. This is the point that Jacob begins to wrestle with God and begins to, what does it say here? Seek his favor. He strove with the angel and prevailed. He wept and sought his favor. So we get a bigger picture, a more full picture of this kind of wrestling with God than a physical wrestling. I don't know if you've seen this verse before, but it adds a dimension to that. He strove with the angel and he prevailed. He wept. He sought his favor. And this verse seems to imply that Jacob, knowing that he deserved to be destroyed by his brother, he had it coming to him. He had sinned. He didn't deserve favor from his brother. He didn't deserve blessing from God. And it's at this point that Jacob is there and he has to wrestle with the Lord until that's dealt with and until he gains favor with God. And we know through the blood of Jesus Christ. So this angel of the Lord, possibly even the Lord Jesus, but he in any case was contending with God, it says in Hebrews, I think, contending with God, striving with God and with men. There's something that comes as we prevail, as we deal with God. Now Moses, when he was talking to the Lord and God was ready to destroy the people. There are several key arguments, let's say arguments, to present his case. Because let's take a picture and begin to flesh it out today. We are standing in the throne room of God. Not only is it a throne room, he is sitting as judge on his right hand is Jesus interceding for us. But we come into this throne room before our heavenly father and we come because we have acceptance through our savior, Jesus Christ. He is the one who has invited us and he is the one who has handed us the invitation which got us in the room in front of the judge, our heavenly father. And as we begin to present our petition and not just, please, I need this. Why do you need it? Why do you need it? What is the urgency of this? You know, God knows all things. But as we come before God with an urgency and with a zealousness, is with a brokenness, is with weeping at the end of our rope, God, I've got nothing. God, I cannot meet this. I've done all that I can. Jacob had already sent his wives, his gifts, his animals. He'd already divided them for a bit of protection and safety as a good strategy. At least he might have something left if it doesn't work. He'd already done what he could. And here many times we come to this place where we've done all that we can and we're seeking the favorable answer of the Lord with weeping and seeking of favor and with an endurance. I guess I like when you added, you know, the skillfulness, the power, but also sometimes we prevail simply by endurance. Ask and keep on asking. Seek and keep on seeking. Knock and keep on knocking. This kind of endurance. So at the end of Jacob's wrestling in this example, we find that the day was breaking. The sun was beginning to peak over the mountains, over the horizon. And the angels said, I must go. It's going to be daytime. That you cannot leave until you bless me. So there's an endurance, persistence. Jacob knew what he needed. First, he knew he was guilty and he needed forgiveness. He needed help. If you've ever been in temptation and you find that you cannot prevail over your own flesh, over the enemy's plans for your life, it's time to pray prevailing prayer. Until you gain favor, you gain authority and you overcome. This kind of prayer that deals with real life situations where we cannot, we've done all we can, but we need God's favor. You know, another good example of this crying out is Jesus himself. There's a number of verses that I can think of. One is, let's read Hebrews 5, 7. So brother Savior, Hebrews 5, verse 7. Brother LA, if you could read for us Luke 22, 44. Hebrews 5, 7. What does it say, brother Savior? Hebrews 5, 7. Can you hear me? You're fine. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he feared. So let's take a few minutes in this verse, in the days of his flesh. Who's he talking about, first of all? Jesus Christ. Oh my goodness. Jesus Christ himself in the days of his flesh. How did he survive the temptations, the attacks, the tricks and devices, the people standing against him? How did he survive and prevail in the days of his flesh? Prayers, supplications, even strong crying, even tears. Oh, I didn't know that about Jesus. Did you? Have you seen that before? I'm sure you have. Yes. Have you applied that in your own life? Come to that place where you're desperate to prevail. We're finished with our flesh. We're finished with allowing circumstances and allowing our enemies to prevail over us. It's time for us, the people of God, to begin to enter a kind of prayer. You know, there's even a demonic teaching that I pray once, and if it's more than that, it's not a faith. I don't find a verse that supports that myself. I find a volume of verses which support this kind of praying, where you pray until something happens. I agree with faith. I agree with trusting God, and I agree with not just making vain repetitions, but I don't agree that we just present it once. I don't find scriptural backing for that. I believe we need to learn how to prevail in prayer. Areas of where our flesh is weak. This is what he was saying. In the days of the weakness of his flesh, the way Jesus overcame was by the power of the Spirit. How did he get the power of the Spirit, which he needed to overcome? By pleading with his Father. Oh, I don't know if you've ever heard this like this before, but let's flesh it out. Hallelujah. Ready, L.A.? Luke 22, 44. Okay, sir. I'm ready. Luke 22, 44 says, saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, they dine, they don't. How does this apply, Brother L.A., to what we're saying from Hebrews? I think it's an example of Hebrews 5, 7. I'm sorry, Reverend, I didn't hear that. Yeah, it's okay. Do you see a connection with Hebrews 5, 7? I believe it's an example of Hebrews 5, 7, but can you see the connection? No, I can't see the connection because Hebrews 5, 7 says that when his flesh was weak, it solely depended on the power of the grace that comes. It solely depended on the Spirit, you know, the spiritual help, you know, he had. And then Luke is saying, saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup. So, I have not seen a connection yet, sir. What was, L.A., what was Jesus looking for? Why was he praying so urgently and so earnestly? What kind of battle was going on? He was facing the Pharisees, Christ Jesus, and he was at the point of dying. Yes. So, at that point, that was why he made this prayer in Luke 22. That's true. And then Hebrews said that at some point, his flesh was weak. It depended solely on the power of the Spirit. Yes. And now, part B of this Luke 22 is, nevertheless, not my will, the time be done. So, does that imply the Spirit, that will, God's will, being the power he was depending on? I still don't figure it out, sir. You're almost there. You're almost there. Let me help you. I'm sure others would love to help you, like Brother Casano. Let me try a bit. You may. You'll take my call. Okay. I'll try a bit. These are my favorite scriptures. That was the time I had so much fear in my life. And at the point, I was wondering whether it was something that had happened before. Then I saw that scripture in Hebrews. The Bible says, he offered prayers with laughs, cries, and tears to the one who could save him from death. What Jesus faced at Gethsemane, as we see in Luke, was he faced imminent death. But there was a greater problem. The problem was, this imminent death was the purpose for which he had come. I remember somewhere in John, he said, what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour. So, the immediate problem and challenges of faith was a battle between what he would have preferred and his purpose, which was that death. So, that's what he was praying. So, there is the same thing Hebrews is talking about. He is saying, Father, if it were possible, let this cup pass by, but nevertheless, here we be done. So, that was a struggle. When we read Hebrews, the Bible says in verse 44, that, sorry, Luke 22, verse 44, tells us that his prayers were like great drops of blood. I don't know that kind of agonizing. Okay, I've prayed before until I almost died. I was dying, literally, yes. I've prayed that kind of prayer. I was in great need. I think two people called me that night and sent me something. It was that, I've never prayed that way before. Maybe I was hungry or what, but I don't know, but I said like that. That was the only way I could express myself. So, that's what Hebrews is talking about, and that's what happened to Luke. And why Luke is important is that he shows us the results of that prayer by which Jesus, Hebrews tells us that Jesus was hard, and Luke tells us that an angel came and strengthened him at that time. So, he receives spiritual strength. So, they are in agreement. Have you ever been in a time? The confusion, brother, might be that the kind of death in Hebrews that he is crying out to his father to escape is the same spiritual death that happened to Adam. In the second case, he is crying out because both the physical torture and death, but also if he fails to find the power and the courage to complete his task because his flesh is weak, he is crying out to his father for the enabling power and courage of the Holy Spirit that he would not fail, and that he would be willing to take that cup, and that he'd be willing to die, and he'd be willing to suffer and not to fail. You see, the kind of death in Hebrews 5 is a death of failure. It's a death of coming under the power of the enemy rather than overcoming and prevailing. It's a prevailing prayer, prevailing over your flesh, prevailing over the enemy, prevailing over the enemies. Many times David would pray similar prayers, and he would cry out to God that his enemies would not but prevail over him, but that he would rise up and his horn would arise over the enemies. And so I believe that to clear up some of the confusion that L.A. was experiencing, because it uses the same word death, but it means to me a little more in the two cases. Is that clear? If you want to finish, Brother Cassandra, I didn't mean to go so long with my interruption. No, I love what you just did, like differentiating the kind of death it was. Yes, I like what you pointed out. This is what I've been writing in my notes for a long time since we started recording. I don't write, but today this study I have to write in my personal notes. It's a serious one, starting from Uzziah. I never saw the details in that scripture. Maybe I've read it before, I don't know. But whenever Uzziah gave me a detail of what happened in Genesis, when Jacob wrestled with the angel. So it tells me why the Bible says of Jacob that he strove with God and with man. So that striving is a splendid detail. And I tried in my notes to write a parallel between Jacob and Jesus. Jesus, the Bible mentions loud cries, tears, prayers, and supplications. And in Uzziah concerning Jacob, he mentions that Jacob wept, which is the same thing as loud cries and tears. And he also mentioned that he made supplications. So I drew those parallels. So this is an encouragement to us. Some of us may be in a situation, an encouragement that we should not think we are alone. If you have been in a dire need, Jacob is a very good example. Because that night was going to determine many things. It was going to determine the survivor of his lineage. If God does not save Jacob that night, he will be wiped out. So something needed to happen. And that is why he went the way he went and insisted that the angel would not go. The angel said, my time is up. As far as resurrection has come. Morning has come. It is time to go back to my position in heaven. Jacob said, no. Something must happen. If I meet my brother the way I am, I know I am a sinner. But if I meet him the way I am, like Uzziah explains that yes, he is supposed to be punished. But he argues his case out. And I remember another example, though it may not be perfect, but it is also a character in the Bible that teaches me a lesson. And who is that? Cain. God told Cain, this is your punishment. Cain argued his case and told God, this punishment is too much for me. And I was wondering, he is the murderer. How dare you have guts to argue that God's punishment was much. And God listened to Cain. It is interesting. God said, well, okay. I put a mark on your head. And I said to myself, if somebody who killed his brother could argue his case, could say something to God, could bring a strong reason that God, they will kill you if you make me a vagabond. Anybody that sees me will kill you. And God said, okay. First, he says the punishment is too much. That means we can say something. We can bring our strong reasons when we pray. It is a powerful thing. So what did Abraham bring to God when God walked with him and the angels and said, this night we are going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. And Abraham, being a friend of God, knowing God's nature for his character, being both just and being merciful, he intrigued the seat of God. And he said, but God, you are a just God and you would never, I know you, God, that you would never destroy the righteous with the wicked. The wicked deserve it. But the righteous have a place and a power with God in God's heart and God being just and being, then Moses went on, sorry, Abraham went on and said, but God, you are a merciful God, you are a God of mercy. And he began to present a case to God based on God's own heart. He knew God's heart. He knew God's ways. He knew how to stand and contend before the Lord. So this is another part of prevailing prayer. One is the brokenness, the desperation where we have nowhere else to turn. The second is when we stand before his throne and we begin to present the case according to the God that we know. You are the God I know, and you're a God of mercy. You're a God who forgives into generations. You're not one who would destroy the righteous with the unrighteous. That wouldn't even be just or fair, God. And then Moses, but God, your name will be shamed. Will be shamed. And the people will make a mockery saying, yes, he took him out, but he couldn't bring him in. Come on. He took him out, but he couldn't bring him in. It was an able, not much of a God. And he began to intrigue God based on that fact. And you know, God is willing for his people to relent. Even God relented what he was going to do in Nineveh when the people repented. Oh, who knows if God might relent. David cried and he prayed that the judgment that followed him for his sin would not take his son. And he said, who knows if God will relent and will change his mind. Do you think that that we can have an answer from God? Let's go to what Jesus taught us. Let's turn to what Jesus taught us. There's two places in the book of Luke where Jesus is teaching us to pray. The first one, Luke 11, Luke chapter 11. I should start from Luke 11. Or should I go back to what I did? 11. Go ahead. Read the whole thing. Five to 13. Okay. Luke 11. Five to 13. And so before that, Brother Emanuel, sorry to interrupt you, but let me set the table a little bit for it. The verses before it, the disciples had asked, Lord, teach us to pray. This whole passage of verse 13 is seriously about prayer. And we know it's the Lord's, the Lord's prayer or the disciples prayer from the first four or five verses. Okay. And so this continues in Jesus' teaching about prayer. All right. And sorry to interrupt as you began to read. Go ahead, Brother Emanuel. Luke 11, five to 13. And it says, and he said unto them, which of you shall have a friend and shall go unto him at midnight and say unto him, friend, lend me three loaves. For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me and I have nothing to set before him. Seven. And he from within shall answer and say, trouble me not. The door is now shut and my children are with me in bed. I cannot rise and give thee. Eight. I say unto you, do he will not rise and give him because he is his friend. Yet because of his important opportunity, he will rise and give him as many as he needed. Nine. And I say unto you, ask and it shall be given you. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened unto you. Ten. For everyone that asks it, receive it. And he that seeks it, find it. And to him that knocks it, it shall be opened. Eleven. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks a fish, will he give him a serpent? Twelve. Or if he asks an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? Thirteen. And the last verse. If ye then, being able, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Praise God. Amen. This verse, these verses have been much quoted and perhaps much misapplied. What Jesus was seeking for was the Holy Spirit's power, courage, and ability to overcome the flesh tendency to be afraid of death, to shrink back from death. Because, oh, Lord God, your soul has no pleasure in him that shrinks back. We were studying that. But this one, Jesus was crying for that ability to face that death and to finish that race that he had started. Each one was seeking something. This one is talking about seeking the Holy Spirit that we need. Do you know when the Holy Spirit prays through you? That 1 John 5 begins to happen. When we pray according to the will of God, this is the confidence that we have. What we're seeking is God. We're praying until, God, you begin to move. God, you begin to release me from the worries, the thoughts, the circumstances, the overwhelming feelings, and all the emotions, and all of this. God, release me from this death so that I can step into your spirit and begin to pray by faith. Pray with confidence. Pray God's will. Pray by his spirit. And then things begin to happen. Very often, our prayers prepare us to receive an answer. I've got to say it one more time. Very often, our prayers of prevailing have to be prayed until we are prepared to pray by his spirit in a circumstance, to know Israel, to be released from all the emotions, and all the thoughts, and all the confusion. And every if, and that, and this, and that, and then, oh, anybody kneel down to pray, and you have nothing but a confusion of thoughts? Yes, yes. It could be this, and if I do that, and that, and I was told this, and this is so terrible, and this is so, and this, and we need to be delivered from that through prayer until we come into the Heavenly Father. How much more? You know, he said you're seeking something. You're asking for something. You're knocking for something. The door is shut, and you keep on knocking persistently. What are you looking for? Well, he did give the answer in the last verse. He'll give you the Holy Spirit. He'll release his spirit so that you can pray by God's will, by God's spirit, by God's faith, by God's courage. We need to get above praying in the flesh and come into praying by the spirit. Ephesians chapter 6 on spiritual warfare, it ends up with praying in the spirit. Oh, come on. Somebody who's got this, seen this before. We go through all of these, not by might, or not by power, but by my spirit. We begin to pray by God's spirit. All the weapons are activated. All the weapons are powerful as we begin to pray in the spirit. Pray in the spirit. Many times, we don't even get out of the flesh to pray in the spirit. Is anybody hearing me? Yes, it's following. Yes, Brother Lawrence, go ahead. Let the Savior talk to me. Are you hearing me? Many times, we don't get even far enough out of our flesh to pray in the spirit. We're only praying out of our mind, out of our emotions, and out of our heart. That's where you begin, and that's not incorrect. Pour out your heart. Cry out your needs. Until the spirit comes and gives you the authority to prevail, gives you the direction and the will of God how to pray, we've got to come into a higher dimension to prevail and take dominion over principalities and curses that have bound our families and bound our cities. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, help us. Lord, help me to make it clear. Help me to make it clear. Many times, we pray out of our mind, and we pray out of our emotions, and we pray the problems, and I don't think the Lord is angry with that, but I think we need to pray until the Father releases the Holy Spirit to those asking so that we can begin to pray by the power of the Holy Spirit. We know that if we pray according to the will of God, we can be confident it's going to happen. And many times, we pray the problems. We haven't yet come to pray the will of God because we haven't pushed through until our own emotions and thoughts and solutions, and we've run up. When we come to the end of ourselves and we find the power of His Spirit to prevail, it's a new area. I'm talking about a new area that many times we haven't seen before, and it's okay, but I just need you to talk to me. Oh, I was writing here in my book. Like I said, I had to get a book today to write. I found out that many times when we are overwhelmed by circumstances, it's difficult to truly pray in the Spirit, like you said. In my experience, if I'm disorganized, if I approach God, it could take me one whole hour to even come to a place where I can say, I'm in tune with God. I've seen it happen. One of the days, I was operating my cell phone, and we had prayers by 11 p.m. That was in Trilogical School. I kept pressing these phones here about, I think, a minute past 11. Throughout the one hour we spent praying, I was repenting from sin because the Lord strongly convicted me. So that was the day from what you thought of today, I have seen help. And what did He tell us? He said, pray all you can. When we are overwhelmed with circumstances, it's always difficult to actually be in the Spirit. I was reading scriptures, and the Bible says Jesus' disciples slept off in the garden. Why? They were wearied by sorrow. There was something that fucked their energy. And they couldn't pray. The direct source of their sorrow and their spirituality. So in the same way, our mind and spirit will be so off. That's why we stay in the Spirit, until we can break out into the Spirit. There's a time, I think it was Kenneth Hagen in his book, he calls it, you hit a goshawk when you know you have, yes, you hit, you break into the Spirit. You break through the flesh, you break through the enemies, you break through the opposition. You break through into the wrong world. Yes, yes, yes. Amen. Brother Emmanuel. And sometimes worship helps us. Yes, sometimes worship helps. Worship is a good thing. Giving of thanks and worship many times helps. Brother Emmanuel to Alan Roko, take it from here. I want to follow up with what you said. You said, when we get to the end of ourselves, that is where we can step into prevailing prayers. Am I right? Okay. Yes. I want to understand. I want to understand when it is that we've gotten to the end of ourselves. Is it when, if I can borrow the word from Pastor Cassandro, we are overwhelmed and really broken, is that when we now step into the prevailing prayer? Because that is my first question. When do we get to the end of ourselves? Can I answer your first question first? I think a beautiful answer to your first question is, we don't always have to come to the end of ourselves where we're just overwhelmed and broken. I can easily realize, I cannot do this, Lord. I cannot handle this. This is not something I know what to do with. Father, I'm coming to you and I confess my need. I have nothing. And as we grow in the Lord, we don't have to be forced into that tight place before we can begin to pray in the Spirit. We can learn immediately. At first, when we're young, it can take hours to get into that breakthrough place where God's Spirit is moving. It can take hours at first, but as you grow in the Lord, it can take a minute or two minutes. If it's a really distressful, maybe five minutes, and you're in the throne room, in His presence, not in your flesh, in your mind, your emotions, but in His Spirit, moving, speaking, crying out to Him according to His will. Okay, that's the first question.
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