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Sam Bennett and Luke Garrison are back with Season 2 of their podcast, OBUFM. They review albums and discuss their history. They usually focus on classic rock and pop, but also cover modern artists. They have guests and plan to have more this season. They reflect on their favorite moments from Season 1, including interviews with Mark Rivera and Nick Collins. They introduce their guests, Sydney Whitfield and Mariah Halpert, from the Sound of the Signal podcast. Sydney and Mariah talk about their podcast and their passion for music. They share their earliest memories of music, including dancing to Mary Mary's "Shackles" and listening to oldies with their siblings. Hey everybody, this is Sam Bennett. And I'm Luke Garrison. And welcome back to Season 2 of OBUFM. We're very glad to be back after a little bit of a long hiatus. We haven't really released anything since March. The last episode was Paul McCartney, your choice. Yeah, so we're looking forward to doing a full season this time around. So for those listening who haven't caught any of our previous episodes, our format, if you will, kind of consists of me choosing an album one week and Luke choosing an album the next week. So we'll review the album track by track and then we'll discuss the history of the album and who made it. We don't restrict to one specific genre, but we do usually choose something within the classic rock pop genre primarily, but that's not always the case. We've had a few more modern artists that we've covered. We have the occasional guest join us also, which is always a good time. That's something we're doing today. So we're looking forward to that. In terms of what you can expect this season, we're looking forward to discussing a lot more music. This season was a bit of a trial run with only five episodes or so, and we plan to release a full season episode that's an even higher quality than we left you with back in March. We're hoping to have more guests join us as well. I know we kind of discussed having guests on the show just a minute ago, and we also wanted to make note of the fact that we've decided to have a few campus-related guests join us this season as well instead of just industry figures. Today's guests are a good example of that, I would say. Yeah, for sure. We also wanted to point out that for today's episode, it's going to be more of a general music conversation instead of a specific album review. The first album review this season will be our next episode, so stay tuned for that. So kind of looking back at last season, it was a bit of a trial run, I would say. It was kind of experimental. We didn't really know what to expect. But yeah, kind of looking back at season one, what would you say is your favorite moment? I enjoyed a lot of it. That first episode was really cool, talking about Rumors, an album we both love dearly. But probably the coolest moment, I think, looking back, is when we were talking to Mark Rivera about Innocent Man by Billy Joel, just because that's a musician who's played with so many awesome, legendary artists. I just listened to him talk about playing with everyone from John Lennon to Foreigner to all these other people, obviously Billy Joel. So that was a really cool moment for me, definitely, to talk to kind of a musical icon that a lot of people don't even know about. Yeah, it was really interesting. He's kind of a hired gun. He is, by profession, the saxophone player for Billy Joel, and he's done that for the past few decades, since I think 83. But kind of hearing all of the different artists that he's played for, and played with, I should say, that we didn't even think about, that we weren't expecting him to talk about, kind of bringing up, like you said, multiple Beatles, Peter Gabriel, Paul and Oates, Foreigner. He's played some iconic saxophone parts that we weren't even aware of, so that was a really cool guest to have. I would say, kind of to echo that, you know, we've only had two guests so far, I think Nick Collins, our other guest that we've had, our first guest on the show, that was a huge moment for me. I mean, I look back on that, and I feel very fortunate that we were able to speak to him. Phil Collins, his father, is one of my biggest musical heroes, and so getting to talk to Nick about, not only his father's work, but playing with his father, because he plays drums on his tours, and the Genesis tours as well, was really cool, I got to kind of geek out about that, so that was really special for me. But yeah, we're looking forward to this season, looking forward to having more guests, and yeah, we're looking forward to bringing that content to y'all, so. With that being said, we kind of want to introduce our guests for this episode, so kind of harping back to what we said earlier, where we made the decision to have campus-related guests as well as industry figures, so today's a good example of that. We want to welcome Sydney Whitfield and Mariah Halpert from the Sound of the Signal podcast, kind of the sister podcast to this one, I would say, and yeah, they're going to join us and kind of do just an informal interview, just a laid-back discussion of all things music, got some cool talking points that we're looking forward to discussing with them, so yeah, we're happy to have them. Please welcome Sydney Whitfield and Mariah Halpert. Alright everybody, we got some guests today on our first episode back for season two, y'all want to introduce yourselves? Hey guys, it's Sydney, and I am a junior, and I'm so excited to be here. Same, I'm Mariah, and I'm also a junior here at Washtenaw. And y'all have a podcast through the Signal as well, y'all want to talk about that for a sec? Yeah, so we do a podcast, and it's the Sound of the Signal, and we've been doing it now for a year? This is our third semester. This is our third semester doing it, and it's one of our greatest passions here on campus. It really is, it's one of those things that originally was just a hobby, and then because we were taking practicum two, we kind of convinced our editor to allow us to make it our practicum, like every other week. So we really get to enjoy having a hobby that we really love as an assignment, so it's really awesome. What are some of the things that y'all usually talk about? Anything and everything, it can be Washtenaw related, or it can just be things going on in our personal lives. We recently recorded an episode on healthy habits, so habits that you do in your life that make you happy and fulfilled. Okay, cool, and is that on Spotify and everything, or just Spotify? I know that we're central to Spotify at the moment, at least. Right, well, with the recent development of us being able to record on camera as well, we not only are on Spotify now, but we're actually on YouTube. Okay. We have our own YouTube channel, the Sound of the Signal. Cool. And then also, the online publishing of the Signal, the paper, how every other week we publish online, our editor is embedding our recording as an article so that people can go on there and just listen to our podcast. Cool. Okay, so kind of getting into the reason that we're here, our show is obviously very niche in terms of comparing it to y'alls, with you being so open in your topics. We're very central to music, obviously, so we kind of wanted to have y'all on and hear what you have to say about music and kind of your relationship with music. So, starting out, what is your earliest memory of music? I actually have two, I think. One of them being that when I was younger, the first like seven years of my life, me and my family, we didn't have much, because we had just come home from India, and we were literally like living off of stamps. But it's really that phenomenon of based on your character, it isn't the circumstances in which you were raised, it's the personalities that you were surrounded by when you were raised. And so, my earliest memory of music is on our way to those places where we traded stamps for a box of food and utilities, my mom, she would play, do y'all know Mary Mary? They're a worship duo? I don't think so. I think I actually do. But the song Shackles, by then, my earliest memory is my mom would blast that in her minivan that was literally breaking down any time we used it. And we would both dance, and I just remember like, I wouldn't want to sit in the chairs, I would want to be on my knees, like right there next to my mom, because she wouldn't let me sit in the front, obviously. But I would be right there, and I would be dancing with my mom, and yeah, I love that memory. And the other one is like, I love the gingerbread man. Sammy Davis Jr.? I don't know. I just remember like, constantly have my mom play it again. Okay. Play it again. I think you're talking about like, Shrek. Oh no, that's the candy man, not the gingerbread man. I was thinking the candy man too, and I was like, just kidding. The gingerbread man is a song. It's like a, it's one of those kids, what are those things called? Like a nursery rhyme? Nursery, yeah. Is it like Christmas themed? No. No? No, it's like a legit nursery rhyme. You know, like the weasel thing around the, around the bush or whatever? Like run, run fast as you can? Yeah. Those kinds of things. Okay. Yeah, and I just remember that being my favorite nursery rhyme that I would ask my mom. Interesting. Play it again. Interesting stuff. All right. That's, that's funny. So my earliest memory, you know, you're usually introduced to music by your parents, and my mom was never a big music person, and my dad would just listen to the radio. So if I was in the car with my mom, it's like, silence. And we'd usually just talk. Interesting. And so, yeah. Now, it kind of drives me crazy a little bit, because I love listening to music so much. But my brother, my older brother, he's actually the one who introduced me to music. Okay. And he would introduce me to all the oldies. So like Steely Dan, like I came to know him. Very nice. Like, we got to go to their concert last summer, too. Oh, that's awesome. So, yeah. Where at? Right before my birthday. It was in Rogers. Okay. Rogers, Arkansas. Okay, cool. So yeah, but like awesome memories with my brother, like jamming to music. We'd go on late night drives, and that's honestly my earliest memory. I was a big dancer, so I always danced to like more modern music, but I think I really fell in love with music later on when my brother introduced me to the oldies. That was Steely Dan, and was it Steve Wynwood that was with them as well? Yes. Do you remember? Yes. Okay, yeah. I wanted to go to that show. I think we were probably playing, and that's why we didn't go. Something like that. That's usually why I don't make it to shows. It was amazing. Yeah, I remember them coming to Arkansas, and I was jealous I didn't get to go. Yeah. I saw them out in LA at Dodgers Stadium, and it was right after, because Steely Dan is Donald Fagan. I'm going to go like full nerd on y'all. Yeah. It's Donald Fagan who kind of sings most of the stuff, and then there's Walter Becker. He's kind of the other guy, because they're a duo, and he passed away. He had just passed when I saw them, so that was a special show for them. You know, they showed my two favorite songs. I was like, Reelin' in the Years, classic, right? Right. But also Hey 19, and we were like about to leave, and we didn't think that they were going to play again, and they had done Hey 19, and then when we were like walking out, they were playing Reelin' in the Years, and it was the best memory. We turned around, and we were like, we've got to stay. Yeah. Cool, cool. That's awesome. All right, next we wanted to ask y'all about how music plays into your other interests and hobbies today. Like working out, or I know you write a bunch. Yeah. Like lyrics and stuff. Does that help you? Yeah. How does music affect you in your 20s? Wow. That's a whole episode right there. I was about to say, you know, I have to make this short. Well, obviously I think music is one of those things where we were actually just talking about this in Healthy Habits. I think each person is different when it comes to music, but for me specifically, music is like my safe place if I'm ever like too heavy in my head. Like I got to shut the whole world out, and I need to take time to completely address what's been going on in my mind heavily, or even just like in the slightest way. But if I'm acting this way, I'm like, okay, I need to shut everybody out and find out why I'm acting this way. Right. But one of the simpler ways I think is, you know, when I go to the gym, obviously, like it's something that hypes me up, something that, you know, keeps me steady and keeps the pace going. But also metaphorically, that's due to life too, because based on whatever mood you're in, the music that you listen to can keep you steady in that good mood, or that sad mood, whatever you choose, I guess. Right. But yeah, for me, music is a really safe place that I can escape to and keep myself there in order to really fully reflect on my thoughts and my actions. So yeah. Yeah, it's always perfect when you're feeling a certain type of way, and you find a song or you know a song. That does exactly. It's like the exact one. Yes, I love those songs. I always think like there's a song for everything. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yeah, absolutely. I would go off that where it's like music has gotten me through like my hardest stages of life. Like freshman, first semester, I just remember it being dreadful. And I would just go on like late night walks and listen to music. And seriously, it got me through that time. And then also, I go to the gym daily, and I'm always listening to music when I'm at the gym. It really helps me escape and reset my day, I would say. And then with writing, you brought up writing too. I always listen to music. It helps me get into the world more and more into the zone. So it's a big part of my 20s. Yeah. What's the number one hype song when you're working out? I'm like opposite because I listen to podcasts when I work out. I know. I tried. That's like psychotic. I just can't. I can't listen to music because I hate working out. And like I know like, oh, this song is three minutes. I just have to have like an hour of a show that I can just not know how much time I have. Yeah. On my cardio day, I have eight rounds of like this circuit. And the first half, I just break them up by doing two minutes and 45 seconds. And every circuit is 30 seconds long. So two minutes and 45 seconds, that's usually just a song. And then break, it's the same song. So I'm going to choose two. Okay. Okay. Just because these two songs carry me through my cardio because I got to keep going. I got to keep that pace. It's called Push Up. And it's the original mix by the Creed. Okay. I've never seen anybody else listen to it. Not to be confused with Creed. Yeah. No. And then Marianela, which is Que Pasa. And it's by Hugo, Merck, and Cremont, Lurico, and La Casa. So those two songs keep me going on the really harsh cardio days that I got to keep going. Okay, cool. Yeah. So if I'm not listening to like worship, I'm a big Luke Sayhar fan, S-P-E-H-A-R. I do not know how to pronounce that. Okay. But if I'm not listening to that, I love Dreams, Fleetwood Mac. Okay. Any of that stuff. Yeah, like I just get into Fleetwood Mac whenever I'm working out. That's been like my recent thing though. That was the first album we reviewed on this show is Rumors. Rumors. Yeah. I have to go back and listen to that. When we were thinking of having y'all on, I was actually pretty disappointed that we chose that because I think that that would be a really great album for guys and girls to discuss since that's like a strange dynamic within the making of that record. Is that the same one where they had broken up and they were writing together? Yes. There's two couples. Dude. One just dating, one married. They both broke up. And they both broke up. And then they started seeing each other too, like other members. Oh, trading? Yeah. It's weird, dude. We always kind of said like it's a recipe for disaster that made a masterpiece. And they're very lucky. We're all very lucky that it turned out the way it did. Yeah. Everywhere is my favorite from that album. Hang on to that, Luke. No. That's my favorite of their albums. I'm in the minority there. So music has a lot of power to it. Yeah. That's something y'all kind of discussed. What do you think is the biggest pro and con of music? Like what's something really good that you think it does and what's something that is pretty negative for the culture that you might be seeing? I think you kind of already covered it as a pro when you said that music can always find a way to speak to you. Because as humans, we really crave that attention and we crave relatability. So finding that one song that speaks to us, we're like, oh, I'm not alone. Right, right. So I think that that kind of expression in music is a pro. A con, personal opinion, a con is that sometimes people take it a little too far in their music. And it's mainly rappers. Yeah. You know, they're talking about shooting their enemies and taking their families and things like that and doing drugs. I hate to think of music as negative because I love it so much. But I guess kind of with what Mariah is saying, it doesn't even have to be the song specifically, but an artist will come up and it's so controversial. There's Lil Nas X, for example, that was a whole thing. And then you get to the petty stuff like Taylor Swift and whoever of her exes people are hating on in the moment. And it's not really a big deal, but I just kind of want to get more negative, I guess. People kind of go too far with their fandom. It's like not art any longer. Yeah. It's like a whole huge argument. Right. It's an agenda, yeah. Yeah, I'm probably going to get hated on, but that's kind of why I don't like Taylor Swift. It's because... See, I knew... We have a question coming up and I knew you were going to say Taylor Swift. Don't let me only call her out. But she's not the only one that uses her platform and uses her experience to not only further exploit herself, but further exploit people that probably didn't want that out there about her or those things she said about them. So yeah, I think it's great that people express themselves in music. But like you said, when they take it too far with arguments or controversial topics, it's like, whoa, you're totally abusing the fact that you have the stage, that you have your vision. Yeah, I kind of think it is like... Because we've all seen this happen, especially in high school when a couple will break up and one of them will go on social media and just start ripping into the other person. Immediate eye roll. And that's just so cringe. But then we get to music. And obviously, I love the fact you can put a breakup or your emotions or whatever into a song. But then like... So we keep talking about Taylor Swift. I like Taylor Swift. But there are songs where she'll literally just directly be attacking somebody. Or other artists do this too. That's a little too far. Especially when they're an artist that big. It's just kind of like... I don't want to say abusing power, but kind of. I wanted to ask you this. I've heard like Phil Collins will say in an interview, like people that spend so much time with music, because we're both musicians, obviously, they don't want to listen to music after they've been working or like doing stuff for so long. Do you ever feel like, I just don't want to listen to music right now? Do you just get tired of it? Short answer is no. No? Because I listen to so much different music. There might be a time, like if we had like three gigs in a weekend, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to listen to classic rock for a minute. Yeah. Or whatever. But I might listen to like some R&B or something like that. This is going to sound weird, but when I have like a long day, and sometimes it's a workout or it'll be school or whatever it is, there will literally be like a song I really want to listen to. And I'm like, no, you can't listen to this song until after you do your homework or after you finish your workout, like something like that. I don't know why. I literally will reward myself by, okay, now I can listen to this song. I do that with the gym where I'm like, okay, once you get to the gym, you can listen to this song. Exactly. Stuff like that. Yeah. I'll listen to a song over and over. And then I get really scared if I like it, that I'm not going to like it in like a few months. And I almost like gatekeep it for myself. Yeah. And I also find like, I don't listen to anything that we play. There's certain songs that Jack will say, hey, let's play this, knowing that it's one of my favorite songs. I'm like, no, because then I won't want to listen to it on my own time. Because we play it so much. It makes me feel like I'm on stage, like working. Okay. I will say, yes, there are times, especially when I'm trying to wind down, you're ready to go to sleep. I can't really listen to music because it'll keep me up. Yeah. Some people go to sleep, listen to music. I can't really do that. I'd rather have white noise, like rain sounds or something. Actually, when I have trouble sleeping, I have to listen to electric guitar stuff. It has no lyrics or anything. It's legit just electric guitar. And it's usually the one where, I don't even know, they do one note and they do the, what is the thing called? See, this is where I lack knowledge. Bending? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it. Like, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like that. Just like that. And like, I fall asleep to it like that. I love electric guitar music, going to bed at night. Cool. That's cool. Okay. Do y'all have a favorite and or least favorite genre of music? Something that like, it comes on in the car, your friend's playing and you're like, no, like turn this off now. Taylor Swift. Okay, that's not a genre though. Yeah. I know. I think Taylor Swift is a genre on her own, right? Yeah. I mean, kind of, yeah. Good point. I would say, for me, I have never been able to get into rap. Like, it doesn't matter what it is for me. I've had like a couple songs that I can vibe with, but on the most part, I mean, I just can't. It used to be country for me, but now I have a little bit more of an appreciation for country. Same. Like, I can listen to it. That's a college thing. That is a 20s thing. Yes. Your country phase? Yeah. I don't know what happened. It's kind of weird. I thought I would never. But rap- Did you go to Betty? No. I've only gone to Betty once. I used to hate country. Now I love it. I have like a really embarrassing thing. I used to have like, in fifth grade, like a bro country phase. Like all in, like Florida Georgia line, like all that. That was on like reaching. Did you dress it too? No. I mean, I wear boots, but like not like a country thing. But like, I love country music, but mainly just 90s country. Okay. Like Brooks and Dunn are like top tier for me. And then everything else. I mean, like George Strait obviously is huge. Alan Jackson, everything else other than that. There's a few more that kind of fall in the cracks, but I don't really. I don't listen to a lot of modern country. Have you gotten into Zach Bryan? He's the big one right now. No, I haven't. I don't, I don't really listen to any current music at all. I'll go look at the charts and this is probably a problem actually. Just in general or just country? Yeah, really. Okay. I'll go look at the charts and I won't recognize a single song. Unless it's something that came out years ago that for some reason is just popping right now. I kind of get that. It's because I don't listen to the radio. Yeah, I don't, yeah. Zach Bryan's fire though. That's what I was going to say is Zach Bryan. I do think you should give it a try. He's fairly new, right? Yeah, he was in the military and then he got big. So they discharged him so he could start playing shows. Is he playing Cowboy Stadium? Yeah. That's crazy. His first show ever was to like 20,000 people. That's crazy. Good for him. And what's crazy to me is the Lumineers. Like I thought he came before the Lumineers but now I'm realizing that the Lumineers inspired him. Yeah. They had a collaboration. Yeah. By the way, I don't like rap either. Okay. I don't have to say necessarily what genre. Is that what, genre is yours? Well, the thing is I only have a few songs that I like. What is our favorite? But the main genre, we'll get to that. The main genre that I really cannot listen to is that like death metal stuff. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. And there's stuff where it's also like a bunch of instrumental. It's literally like a 10-minute song and it's instrumental and it's on the cover. One of my coworkers showed me it this summer and I was like, yeah, girl. And I was like, I don't want to listen to it. All the tempo changes and stuff. Yeah. It's kind of proggy. Yeah. Yeah. And at one point it would actually like sing but it was like. It's so like moody but like not in a good way. Yes. Yes. And the album cover is this skull with snakes going through it and I'm just like. Yeah. Yeah. Too much. I love heavy music but not screamo or anything. Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't say metal. I like it. Like there's some. Just hard rock. Yeah. Hard rock. Yeah. I like that. No, I like hard rock not heavy metal. Yeah. Yeah. Just things that like are going towards the whole dark side. That's where I'm like. It's a little creepy. Yeah. That's creepy. I'm not entertaining that. That's part of media that I do not want to be a part of. Yeah. Like for me, this is going to make me sound super, super square. Yeah. 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